Hold Me
 

I think I know the answer to this, but does Stevie even sing on Hold Me?

She does.

Matt

haha I cant hear her

I can't hear any Stevie vocals on "Hold Me"; I always thought it was a Christine/Lindsey duet. While I usually prefer the three-part harmony sound, "Hold Me" actually works quite well with just McVie and Buckingham.

Come to think of it, Stevie's vocal contributions to "Mirage" are pretty sparse, as they would be with "Tango In The Night" five years later. She sings on her three songs and adds harmonies to "Love In Store" and that's it.

I thought for years that she was singing backup on "Book Of Love", but Lindsey indicated in a long-ago interview that he manipulated his own voice and made it sound like Stevie.

No, she doesn't.

I think all singers sing in all studio versions except great exceptions like Songbird or Never going back again. But sometimes voices are hardly listened in some songs just to achieve the adequated harmony

Yeah, I can't hear Stevie on it either.

Lindsey sure loves those vocal manipulations, don't you think? He started early, too. I think Tusk was the first album he did that with.. perhaps earlier, on Gold Dust Woman - near the end there is some eerie noise and I'm not sure if it's Stevie, a guitar, or Lindsey messing around in the studio.

Christine and Stevie are on Never going back again, after he goes "never going back againnnn!" They go "mmmmmm" with him hahaha :laugh:

Well i think it counts :wavey:

We know she does on tour. ;)

As for studio cuts, they're impossibly crafted & combined on FM albums. There's no telling for sure who's on what unless it's plain & clear to the ear. Otherwise it's like trying to identify a specific squiggle in a Jackson Pollock painting.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...r-One-1948.jpg

My most FAVORITE song by FM as a band ever. I am sure I hear Stevie in the vocals, but maybe not. I listen to it VERY loudly. I love that song.
Did I mention I love that song? lol

Hahahaha! david, that's the best metaphor in years!:thumbsup:

According to the Rumours Classic Albums doc it's Lindsey messing around with guitar sounds, but I'm not entirely convinced it isn't (partially) Stevie.

Judging from the Us Festival video, she doesn't look like she likes to do it on tour.

Michele

I don't remember.

Hey, wasn't there a pre-Mirage print interview in which Stevie said that the band had just finished recording a Chris McVie song & that it was really great? She called it extraordinary or something -- but she didn't identify the title. I always figured it was either "Hold Me" or "Love in Store." But the comment Stevie made implied that she herself had tracked on it.

Remember when she said she sometimes had to go drag Lindsey and make him sing back up harmony on some songs, because she refused to have no singing on their songs?

Michele

Oh, remember the "Conversations" tape when Stevie tells Christine she won't forgive her for having Lindsey sing on her song (Hold Me). Christine makes some excuse, by claiming it wasn't a duet or something. Lindsey was just helping her out (a lie if you ask me) but Stevie doesn't buy it and just keeps saying, "It's over. It's over. It's over."

So, funny.

That must have been in or about 1978. Then, just before Mirage came out Stevie had that interview when she talked about Smile At You not being on the album and how she dragged Lindsey and made him sing on the songs. I believe she was talking about one of Christine's songs.

Michele

Aaah, yes. The acrimonious dobro. I think Stevie's vocals are mixed in too - I prefer the Rumours reissue w/ the alternate version of GDW, the ending vocals/wailing are cool.

:wavey::sorry:

I also remember her saying that Lindsey wouldn't do that solo part on WISYA, so they sang it together and Stevie had her voice removed... I love his vocal on that tune..

This is from the High Times interview she did. She was asked about writing Think About It for Christine. It's just amusing to me, because of the way she says she wasn't going to let no singing go on the album. :

Lol, I guess she isn't a big fan of instrumentals.

As an aside - in the BD RS cover photoshoot in, say 1981 - La Nicks is playing some songs from Mirage - I think Wish You Were Here, Can't Go Back, That's Alright, and maybe another were played. I cannot remember if Hold me was played. This leads me to believe that some of the Mirage songs were holdovers in a somewhat completed form from the Tusk recording sessions or shortly thereafter. That's Alright was written in like 1974. In the end, while they worked on the Mirage songs after the Tusk tour - many of them had vocals laid down prior to that, though those vocals may not have been on the prior product.

As for Hold Me - I can hear La Nicks in the mix. When it was release - I remember thinking it odd that FM's lead single did not more heavily feature La Nicks, who at that time was one of the largest stars in the world. I do love hold me though. I just wish it had a third set of lyrics instead of LB's penchant for repeating the chorus after the bridge.

I also found it odd that LB was so quick to cut La Nicks' stanzas, yet he would do this repeating of the same thing. Oh well.

Little Lies appeals to me because it has all 3 voices...

^

ITA - and three voices in a very cool harmony - I think one reviewer likens it to the three calling out to eaxch other from towers on the mist.

yes... when they worked together, they were unstoppable.... ur sig is making me dizzy

^^

You mean dizzier :p

Interestingly, Hold Me could have been done with the tree voices on after another on the "Hold Me - Hold Me - Hold Me" chorus, which is sooooooo beautiful and lush as it is.

IMO - though they all had their moments on each - Mirage and, more so, TITN were CM's shining pop moments of a stellar history. of course, Wish You Were Here is one of my fav.'s by her and the band.

The tape of Christine and Stevie discussing Lindsey's singing on Hold Me was made in the late seventies, I believe. So, that song had certainly been around.

Michele

Cool - I don't think I knew that. Or, I did years ago anfld forgot, which is sad :o

Say what?! Is that true? What tape?

I can't believe "Hold Me" is that old unless I have some evidence!

Was that John Rockwell in the New York Times?

Where are you people getting all this bizarre information? Can you substantiate this assertion?

What does repeating the chorus after the bridge (you mean the instrumental break?) have to do with LB?

What Nicks stanzas?

I have asked you 2 questions about these tapes (I also wanted to know if you thought Kel was Carol Ann, in retrospect) and now you are just getting around to asking what tape. If this keeps up, I am no longer going to look to you for insight and information.

Anyway, someone once put up a transcript and I will look for it and we will see about Hold Me.

Michele

A search on you tube will reveal the 1981 Rolling Stone photo shoot, which was done prior to the release of Mirage. In that footage, several Mirage songs are played. Plus, as Michelle noted, the audio tapes reveal Hold Me was done prior to then.

They label such things as a bridge in the liner notes. What I mean is after the instrumental break in Hold Me - the chorus just repeats until the fade out. I would have liked to have heard another stanza. Who knows, maybe CM did not have another one. I say the same thing about Say You Will (the song) -- there is the bridge/instrumental break and then the repeat of the chorus until it fades out. I want to hear another stanza there. LB produced the record and we don't see this structure in La Nicks' solo work. So, I conclude LB does this. This is all, however, my opinion based on said and other observations.

La Nicks has stated that Sara was cut and verses/stanzas were never heard.

I do not remember -- It may have been - though I think it may have been from Billboard.

Ok, David you're right. I thought they were talking about Hold Me on the same one where they talked about Lindsey's spinal tap, but they were not. They were talking about Hold Me when Robin was in the hospital, so that is much later.

Here's a transcript, someone posted:

http://www.ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/sh...11&postcount=1

Cool - thanks for posting.

But, this is still prior to Mirage and likely Bella Donna (released 7/2001) as Robin died when BD reached No. 1 (9/2001)

Mirage was released in June 1982. Presumably, it was finished and ready for pressing and shipping a few months before that.

La Nicks' BD tour was a couple of weeks during the two months of 1981.

Interestingly, Gypsy allegedly was to be on BD, but was re-worked for Mirage.

All of this supports my theory that much of Mirage was in production long before 1981 - though I am sure some additional work went into it in 1981 and possibly 1982 considering La Nick said she put a copy of the finished BD in the studio for LB. Presumably, they were in the studio to record mirage as they did not record anything after Mirage until like 1985-86 for TITN and La Nicks was not really around that much for that.

The recording sessions book I have says they were in Herouville from May to June 1981 working on Mirage and then worked on overdubs over the next 6 months of 1981 in Los Angeles (Record Plant and Larrabee Sound).

I had thought Hold Me was earlier, but I have all of those audio "conversations" on just 2 CD discs and I guess I just blended them all together in my head and don't really have an accurate idea of the chronology of what was said when, when I listened to them.

Michele

That reviewer who likened their voices calling out to one another from different towers in the mist was from a Rolling Stone review. The one titled "Fleetwood Mac Shimmers Back"--or something like that. I forget who wrote it. Mark Coleman?

Hold Me was written expressly for Mirage. It was not written in the late 70s. Rarely does Chris hold on to extra songs. She tends to write only what she needs for any given project. She does have, however, a large backlog of fragments and ideas.

You said that several Mirage songs were tracked prior to the Tusk tour. That isn't true.

I look forward to hearing these tapes for confirmation that the "Hold Me" tracks were recorded before the Tusk tour.

I know which section you're referring to. I call it an instrumental break. If you prefer the slightly more ambiguous "bridge," have at it. (I say ambiguous because of the fact that the term "bridge" can, in popular song parlance, have several different meanings, although the primary one is that of a sung section of the song with a unique -- i.e., nonrepeated -- melodic or chordal backdrop. A prime example of a bridge is the "Sooner or later/I'll keep the promise I made to you/Sooner or later/It will be greater/Than we ever knew" section in "Skies the Limit," in which the tonic-based verse & chorus modulate to the minor submediant.)

We don't?

But Stevie never specified whether the Fleetwood Mac track was cut so drastically, or whether all those thousands of other stanzas were simply not recorded to begin with.

None of that supports your theory that Mirage was in production long before 1981, because your theory is completely inaccurate.

You appear to be having a senior moment, strand. :lol: