Jumping at shadows
 

The boston performance of this track in my opnion features the finest electric blues performance of all time. I have never heard a better blues guitar solo, sheer genius.
The solo to me it sounds so sophisticated for a blues, peter´s timing, dynamics, choice of notes blow me away, wes montgomery would have been proud of this!

I know crossroads by clapton and whatever srv tune get plaudits but they dont come close to this.

I couldn't agree more. But which version do you refer to? disc one or disc three? They are both amazing, but I have always been partial to disc three, it's a liitle more "in your face"... I have heard four live performances of this song, all are great, all are different, the BBC sessions is also a standout.

Evan

Disc 1, i remember i had it on vinyl years ago an album just called flletwood mac live, i was always in awe of it.
The solo almost feels like its composed it so perfect, obviously its improvised but there is no fat on it, no showboating just pure genius!

I agree with you both as I always loved Jumping at shadows live, I suppose I'm a bit partial but to me the live performances of this song recorded at the boston tea are awesome and I prefer them to the duster bennett original. I can also say that the worst version of this song I've ever heard is the one by Gary Moore (i think it was on the after hours album). How can such a great song sound so so boring??????

But to me the best blues solo in the world is the one Pete made on the live performance of I've got a mind to give up living at the Warehouse. Every time I listen to it I get shivers down my spine and I get close to tears. It's just...mindblowing.

When I listen to it i always think how come someone so young be so special, and different as Pete was. How can someone make me feel so much without saying a word. To me, it's the highest peak of Peter's magic. To me.

the master at work
 

Peter was absolutely at top form in boston and both versions had their special something.

I too, though was on the floor when I heard him do "The Letter" at the Warehouse.

another close second for sheer simplicity is "Before The Beginning" at the shrine auditorium
"Shrine 69"

doodyhead

Debate oh yeh!
 

Cool i was hoping to get other peoples idea what they think is best, i Don´t have the warehouse recordings, whats the name of the disc please?
I´m dead keen to hear stuff i´ve not heard before and to have my opnion changed :blob2:.

And Mr doody i agree the shrine 69 before the begining is outstanding, another great disc with sublime playing.

Jumping at Shadows
 

Greenmanastrat,

I am pretty sure that the Fleetwood Mac Live track that you mention is from one of the Boston Tea Party recordings, probably night one. I've heard that album sometime in the distant past, but when the Tea Party recordings were finally remastered and released in 1998, I was amazed at the difference in sound quality. Check out this release if you get a chance, as I said previously, both versions are stunning.

As for the Warehouse recording of I've got a mind to give up living mentioned by Aida: This is my favorite Peter Green Bootleg, the other two bootlegs of this song are now on Youtube. I think one was recorded at the Filmore West in January 1969, and the other in Sweden in early 1970, supposedly just after the infamous Munich incident. I like them all, the version that was recorded in Sweden is probably the darkest of the three, but the Warehouse recording is impossible to beat. For me, it has the geatest guitar solo that I have ever heard in any genre.

Evan

Dead Bust Blues
 

Greenmanastrat,

I forgot to mention that the version of I've got a mind to give up living that Aida spoke of is from a bootleg recorded on January 31st 1969 at the Warehouse in New Orleans, known as Dead Bust Blues. The title refers to a concert given by Fleetwood Mac on night three 02/01/69 to help cover the legal costs of a Greatful Dead drug bust. It is difficult to find but does appear on Amazon.com from time to time. I have looked in vain for other sites to download this song from, when a copy finally became available on Amazon it was selling for $65.00 Canadian, with shipping it cost me over $85.00 but was worth every cent. This song is also known as The Letter, and All Over Again.

Evan

Dead Bust Blues Revised
 

Sorry Greenmanastrat, the dates that I listed for Dead Bust Blues should be 1970 not 1969, I better quit while I'm ahead.

Evan

All Over Again
 

My favorite was always the 31/1 1970 Warehouse version of All Over Again. But inspired by the recent posts on this thread I have just listened to the Stockholm 1/4 1970 version - and that is ALSO out of this world! More fluid somehow but extremely painful. I tend not to listen too much to the bootlegs of lesser quality sound, but in this case it doesn't matter. I can now hear that it is the the singing that is distant, not the guitar(s). Danny does a very good job backing him on this one...Pure Bliss

Ms Moose

"I can now hear that it is the the singing that is distant, not the guitar"

If this is the song from Stockholm that I'm thinking of then the singing is so distant and muffled I've never been 100% sure what the actual song is! The guitar is certainly loud and clear, and becomes too loud and distorted at one point before the recording levels are turned down, does this sound like the same track?

I think so. It runs at 07:21. Do you hear the turning down of levels at the beginning?

Ms Moose

Thanks Ms Moose :)

The recording level drops near the start of the solo, and then the magic begins... :]

To use the term "mind-blowing" is not exagerating here, this solo goes beyond just good guitar-playing! It's so good I actually think it's unfair on anyone else who's ever 'tried' to play guitar!:D

Possibly if Greeny does ever doubt his guitar skills he'd do well to check out live examples like this and Jumping At Shadows, Before The Beginning, BMW etc etc etc etc!!!


JonsonP

Yes it is beyond any other guitar sound ever made and it cannot be imitated. A lot of the FM bootlegs are full of these gems! They are beautiful even when the sound is rubbish!

As we have dicussed before on The Ledge - common to a lot of really gifted people, Peter Green is ALWAYS in doubt about his guitar skills, so IF Peter Green checked out his former guitar soloes, he would probably find that he made "too many mistakes". This is the comment he usually makes in interviews to baffled journalists who just don't believe their own ears. It is SO frustrating and heart-breaking that PG won't - or can't - recognize and accept this gift of his.

Ms Moose

"he would probably find that he made "too many mistakes"

Yes very true, although the "mistakes thing" is purely a technical way of looking at it, and as we all know the best guitar-playing is anything but technically perfect :thumbsup:

JonsonP

I love threads like these
 

By far my favorite JaS track from Boston is on vol. 3. Not too long ago, me and a friend of mine were searching tunes on Youtube, and we came across Gary Moore's version of JaS. As I had the Boston vol 3. version fresh in my head, Moore's version did not move me at all. My friend thought it was pretty good. Then I played him Boston's Vol. 3 version. He couldn't stop laughing for half an hour. This juxtaposes fans of Gary Moore who flood the Youtube comments page with lauded praise.


Of course the best all time solo has to go to "All Over Again", Stockholm 4/1/70. It's more condensed and streamlined vs. the Warehouse. It's also extremely dark, only a person in so much internal pain could play a guitar solo like that. I don't even think Jeff Beck's brilliance could approach it, it's untouchable.


Is "The Letter" the Joe Cocker/Box Tops song? (can't be) If it is, I'd love to hear it.

I also love threads like this
 

Slipkid I think "The letter" is the original name of the song (All over again, or I've got a mind... as I prefer to call it). I think (but no sure) it's a BB King song (I also read is amercan "popular" so I'm not really sure) and originally it was named so (The letter).

I think it was doodyhead who called it like that so probably he has more information...

I also love the Stockholm version but to me the New Orleans version is the best, the one that emotionally moves me more...

Concerning also the Gary Moore thing I have to say that GM came to my town a couple of months ago. I went to see him live and as I said somewhere in the forum I stayed in the front row (with my green "Greeny" T-Shirt, hahah I'm sure he saw me). He did some blues populars and to me he showed very very little respect to these great songs as he distorted them with extermely long and heavy-thing soloes. He only played one blues pop with what I call "respect", that was All your love.

But oh my god what a collection of guitars!! A gold top, one which looked just like the one he got (and later sold) from PG...and also his Gibson signature, with the killer switch...ohhhh

And PG using epiphones...

Sorry for this post in this place :sorry:, I didnt know where to put it. Everyone: go on dicussing which is the best live performance of Peter!!!:lol:

Yes, it is a kind of "double-denial" of the obvious....that it is magical playing!

And slipkid and others who might know: I remember another thread with this question but can't find it: I have the Boston Teaparty (lilac coloured box, called Fleetwood Mac Boston Blues) in a two cd version from Snapper Music, released in 2000. Jumping at Shadows is the 4th number on disc one.

Is the Jumping At Shadows on that the same version as the one you are talking about on volume 3 in the 3 cd version?

Everybody agreed that the 3 cd one should be released again!

Anyway, it is a very emotional, close to the heart interpretation of the lyrics, which was - I suppose - very like PG's mental state at the time: paranoic, exhausted and sad.

Ms Moose

over again, easy
 

BB King released it as "All Over Again" in 65 and on a greatest hits compilation in 68 King/ Adams there is another letter BB King song written the same year on another single in 65

Butterfield released it as "I've got a mind to give up living" written by "Traditional" Public Domain on the original East West 1966 It is later credited to Nat Adderly

Green did it as "All Over Again" it was never officially released

Forget what I said about "The Letter" or Your Letter" for that matter. I was incorrect upon further investigation. IThey were other songs BB King wrote in the same year. He must have gone postal that year

doodyhead

Your no son of mine gary moore
 

Hey feel free to bash gary moore anytime, although a talented musician he is anything but a bluesman. Let him play rock and he kicks ass i have to admit( although i do despise him) having seen clips of early thin lizzy stuff etc, he can really play.....But never blues or sing it for that matter.

The disc 1 and most well known version of jumping at showdows is the best for me as i dont think i´ve heard a solo anywhere evolve and change so beautifully before

I´m on the trail of the tracks quoted that i´ve not heard so i wil chip in again when i have.

Also another amazing solo and maybe the best bent note ever is the homework solo, proper gives me goosebumps.

The Boston Blues version of JaS is from "Live in Boston vol 1." . Don't forget there's a third version of JaS from Boston on "Jumping At Shadows The Blues Years", and either "Vaudeville" or "Showbiz Blues" (same version). That is the weakest of the three IMO.

For me the "Live in Boston vol. 3" version is the best example of how Peter used dynamics. While Eric Clapton (Mayall and Cream Clapton) liked to bring out the knife right away and kill you on the spot, Green would toy with you, then wield a sledgehammer to finish you off. It's as if he's dancing on glass. Even though Duster Bennett wrote the song, it fit Peter's state of mind (at the time) to a T. He literally was jumping at shadows.


I was going to give you Ms. Moose the Amazon.com .mp3 link for the song, but for some reason (this is recent) six of the original thirteen tracks for vol. 3 are missing, including JaS! What is going on? I could send you the song directly Ms. Moose via e-mail. It's in iPod format.

(for greenmanastrat)

I found these links on youyube that can do the job of introduce you to the matter.They're allversions of this song, and they are all superb (despite the sound quality). I know I said the NO version is better but having heard again the stockholm one..I cannot decide. Is just like my left and right hand...very difficult!!!!!!!!!

You decide which is better. Enjoy (hope the links work)

london 69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNtt6SOh8t4

helsinki 69

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKSZljUau7k

stockholm 70

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ytgYYZuLs

fillmore west

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-9ebsRbTL8

The Warehouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxgY9eEFiYM

I've Got a Mind to Give up Living
 

B.B. King does a cracking version of I’ve Got a Mind to Give up Living (aka The Letter) on his Live in Kansas City album, recorded in 1972. I seem to remember reading somewhere that King rated this album at least as highly as Live at the Regal. His playing on it throughout is magnificent. The CD is available at both Amazon.com and Amazon.co.uk.

Wow!
 

Wow aida your a diamond Geezer!
Too much to digest just right now in terms of giving an opnion but all sound so far quite stunning.JAS I´ve known for a long time, so when i can digest i will see if i my opnion changes.
I´m very glad i provoked this debate new prime green stuff i aint heard before woo hoo!!

I only have the "Greatest Hits Live" CD which was I guess taken from live performances at the Boston Tea Party. I've always loved the version of "Jumpin At Shadows" from that disc. Everytime I have it in the car, I blast it when that track comes on!! I absolutely love it!! Peter sounds phenomenal both on the guitar and his vocal. One of my all time favourite FM songs.

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All three Boston CD's, thus vol. 3 included.

Jumping at Shadows/All Over Again
 

I am generally far more of a reader than a contributer to this forum but am compelled to post for several reasons.
Firstly JaS is undoubtedly one of the finest examles of true blues playing ever recorded, both on Disc 1 & 3 of Boston Tea Party (disc 1 is my preference).
BB King most recently recorded 'All Over Again' on his '80' album and this is the only title I knew this song by. Since hearing this I have seen several posts referencing Greeny's version and have longed to hear it. So, many thanks to aida for posting the YouTube links, i'll be going straight there after posting this!
On a slight tangent it has often amazed me that Greeny's solo on the Boston disc 1 version of Green Manalishi (before the extended jam section) is not regularly included in top guitar solo lists. I know it's a lot to do with personal taste but this never fails to move me and often makes me shiver. It is obviously one of his more heavier solo's and not blessed with some of the subleties present on tracks such as JaS but is so raw and aggressive.
Oh and I would definitely agree that BtB from Shrine '69 is also sublime.
Anyway i'm of to check out YouTube.

Indeed, many thanks to aida for posting those YouTube links :thumbsup:

All outstanding performances, although I still prefer the Stockholm version, it's just got the :shocked:wow:eek: factor!

I've got a mind to just give up guitar-playing after listening to all these :lol:

J

Great shout, after i posted the intial thread it also crossed my mind how much the solo from manalishi live gave me the goose bumps! I always thought it was like realy fancy scales as well but its just pure blues and amazing bending of notes being so creative and emotive. It seems at this time it was just flowing out of him.:thumbsup:

World Keeps Turning
 

The track that for me epitomises the phenomenal versatility of PG is World Keeps Turning, the live version where he fills in whilst Danny changes a string. It has everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivS5wjwGbn8

Don't look for no worries...
 

Oh, I don't know how may many times may I watched that video!!!!!!!Love Love that song. Incredible how he can fill the stage only with his guitar, his voice and his soul. One of my favourites...

Doodyhead I also love that version of BTB (Shrine'69)

Surprised no one has claimed the crown for "Love that burns"...

"When the flames of our flesh have stopped burning"...
 

How many versions of this song exist? I know of two, Mr. Wonderful, and Vaudeville Years/JaS The Blues Years. It depends on my mood which version I prefer. Today I side with Mr. Wonderful, love the horns.


The Elmore James overkill of Mr. Wonderful dwarfs the great Peter Green compositions. Not only that, it's brilliantly produced by Mike Vernon. He and the Chess family knew how to record a blues record. I'd wish someone would go back and remix the first two Paul Butterfield Blues Band albums. They sound so thin. Then there's today's blues albums that always sound too clean, clinical, and over-polished. I truly think I'd listen to more modern blues artists if they were recorded as they were in Chicago in the 50's and 60's. Ok, rant over.

"...and the fire of our love has cooled down"....
 

I say....heavy imagery, what? - it's almost Shakespearian....

I prefer the Mr. Wonderful version. It´s slower, and has Christine Perfect's tingling piano all the way through like a silver thread- and the horns, of course.

On Youtube there is this clip with Otis Rush - Double Trouble - with a similar horn arrangement. There used to be a better version of this film but this is all I can find now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQpgWxSZylc

Ms Moose

.."worries and troubles come around"...
 

YES it's a fantastic video and performance,aida. Sadly - as mentioned a million times here in the PG section - there must be hours of film like this in vaults all over Europe (wishful thinking) - or even (most likely) destroyed:eek:
It annoys me that there are hours of film with Bay City Rollers and the like and so little with PG'sFM.

Ms Moose

P.S. Hope I haven't offended anybody here who used to love or still loves Bay City Rollers

I always thought the best JaS solo was on the Show Biz Blues box. Really powerful. I urge a relisten for you all. Even though the band screws up the beginning, the solo kicks a$$.

But more than that one for me is his "If You Let Me Love You" from Vol.3 . 10 minutes of absolute perfection for phrasing, pacing, dynamics and tone.

The GM thing just remembered me of this thread, because I wrote about me staying in the front row of one of his concerts with my green "greeny" t-shirt. haha.

I don't know if I violate any rule of the forum if I pick up this thread again having nothing really new to say (still love "got a mind to..." but haven't decided about the New Orleans and the Stockholm version yet haha) but was a wonderful one. It made me re-think about Before The Beginning ( Shrine'69). Now it's also one of my favourites.

Aida

first train home
 

hi

i.m new here but i agree the solo on got a good mind is sublime as in the first ever fm track first train home.
Best singing track i prefer the alabama bues track in mayall days, how van a young shy introvert jewish boy sing so desperate , almost black , a sublime country blues track

hope to hear some response my friends

Jan Horjus

=aida;832029]I agree with you both as I always loved Jumping at shadows live, I suppose I'm a bit partial but to me the live performances of this song recorded at the boston tea are awesome and I prefer them to the duster bennett original. I can also say that the worst version of this song I've ever heard is the one by Gary Moore (i think it was on the after hours album). How can such a great song sound so so boring??????

But to me the best blues solo in the world is the one Pete made on the live performance of I've got a mind to give up living at the Warehouse. Every time I listen to it I get shivers down my spine and I get close to tears. It's just...mindblowing.

When I listen to it i always think how come someone so young be so special, and different as Pete was. How can someone make me feel so much without saying a word. To me, it's the highest peak of Peter's magic. To me.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

Personally I prefer the Fillmore West january4 1970 version, but, each to his own.
Then, welcome to the Ledge Jan. Any chance you being related to Siete Horjus???

best singing piece
 

Hi Jan!

best singing piece...This can re-open the debate! :D What you say about 'Alabama' makes me think about 'trying so hard to forget'. I do love 'Alabama' too but the lyrics always make me think about JB Lenoir...

Now talking about 'Trying so hard' it always shocked me that such sad lyrics could be sang without apparent affection, I don't know but probably is the piece in which I appreciate the most the way Peter sang.

I also thought about 'Man of the world', `Worried dream`and also `jumping at shadows', but 'Trying...' is special to me because I can feel the sadness even without apparent intentional affection.

Any other opinions...?