Greenie live in February
 

peter green is going to play at spirit of 66 on feb, the 27th in verviers, belgium

*) CONCERTS AGENDA, February 2009: PETER GREEN (uk) Ex John Mayall Bluesbreakers, Fleetwood Mack, etc.. Une legende vivante ...
http://www.spiritof66.be/agendouble....age=1234306800

*) http://petergreen.oyla.de/cgi-bin/hpm_homepage.cgi

It would be great to be there. I will be waiting impatiently for a report from this gig :-). Maybe Greeny is going to perform more?
Regards
Krzysztof

Peter Green is called Greenie but played greeny
 

Hi,

how come that "Greenie" and "Greeny" get mixed up in this forum all of the time?

I've been told that Peter Green is called "Greenie" but his kind of guitar style is called "greeny".

At least Mick Fleetwood (who should have known best) calls Peter Green "Greenie".

Is there any difference?

asks,
Popmuseum

greeny or greenie
 

Dear Popmuseum,

since birth I have been called vinnie (amongst other things)

People who write to me write vinnie or vinny with their discretion. I was told once that I should not call myself vinnie as in english it is a diminutive of Vincent (my proper name).
English as a language is crazy. I personally don't see the difference.

I think you can use either one as Peter most likely doe not refer to himself ad either one.


vinnie c

and doodiehead

greeny and greenie
 

Dear vinnie c / doodiehead,

thank you very much. I like Greenie more than Greeny - it has a better look. :)

Popmuseum

The Jolly Green Giant
 

I think doodyhead is right. Greeny/nie's family and friends probably calls him..... "Pete".

I don't like either Greeny or Greenie because it always reminds me of an english commercial (I think it was) - "The Jolly Green Giant" - that was supposed to make children eat more vegetables!

Anyway - it is great news that he will appear in public again, but anxiously I can't help wondering: who else with be there with him?

Ms Moose(y)

Thank you so much for posting, Popmuseum!!! :D
Somebody got to record this!!!

Reminds me of how great he looked at those new videos at MOJO and that other place.
I too wonder who's gonna be there with him. Probably that guy from those videos on rhythm guitar. Perhaps brother Michael??
Anyway, I hope he gets a good band with him, hopefully some sympathetic players who can support him rather than drown him. I'd rather take a verse of muted/silent Greeny while he gains new inspiration, than an other flashy lead guitarist who steps up as soon as Peter calms down a bit! :nod:

I really hope there'll be more gigs, and that he gets a solid and stable band. He mentioned in a recent interview that he's been jamming with some musicians from Spain. It could be them...?

Perfect scenario, perfect answer.

doodiehead, I like that. :thumbsup:

Hi,
I'm not fluent in English :). I think both forms are correct.
But I'm going to use "Greeny" because I've been accustomed to it since Gary Moore "Blues for Greeny" tribute album ;)
Regards
Krzysztof

The bigger question remains: will he be up to the task, or just taking up space on stage? It's sad to see Peter reduced to flotsam, which is basically what he appeared to be at quite a few stage performances in recent years. The problem is, you never know just what you're going to get with PG at any given time, especially this late in the game. All we can hope is that he's enjoying himself, which is important, but sometimes it's almost painful to watch. You can't help but come away wondering if others are manipulating him, for any number of suspect reasons.

"Task"?!? YOUR EXPECTATIONS?!?!? You know what?? He's always been up to it!!:mad:

Then don't watch it!! Nobody's trying to force you into something you don't want!!

We've been "without" Peter now for the most part since 2003. Nigel might have played too many solos and Peter didn't write any songs for the Splinter Group, but at least it was a solid band where Peter could blossom and enjoy himself!

Now finally it seems like something is happening again. And then of course somebody has to write such stupid bull****! :eek:
The new videos shows a man enjoying himself! You can call it "manipulation" or "encouragement" but as long as he enjoys playing, then that should be enough for me and you and everybody to keep quiet!

These comments are more evil than the people you suspect are manipulating Peter Green!!! Disrespectful! :mad::mad::mad:

Geez dude, what's up with you? *Reality check*

For me it's Greeny because that was the title of his instrumental recording with John Mayall during Bluesbreaker days, way back in the sixties (or is it sixtys? :laugh:).

I can definitely see where Snoot is coming from with this.

But also completely agree with this, and Nigel certainly played too many solo's!

Surely its easy enough to see both points here? :thumbsup:

Haha, you go, dansven!
At this point in his career Peter is entitled to do whatever he wants.
Problem is, he always has to contend with peoples' expectations ("will he be up to the task" - Snoot!) and the "guitar hero" role, something he is obviously no longer interested in doing. He's not the same player as in the 60's, and that's not the style of playing he's into now. Would be nice to see him do some experimental stuff, not just the same old BMW again.

I'm just glad he is still playing.
 

Due to the experiences of my youth, I have known several people who never made it back from recreational drugs. A few led to suicide, a few to totally wacked out individuals. Peter survived non prescription drugs, a few stays in the asylum, electroshock therapy. potential bi polar disorder. He is probably still on some kind of medication. I have heard that the stuff they treat you with might leave you with liver damage, diabetes and several other health problems he did not have before.

The incredible thing is he is still interested in making music, and even more, is interested in entertaining others. It's like seeing your favorite athlete coming back from a would be career ending injury.

This is a GIFT


I just hope somebody records it

doodyhead, melandvinnie

Without wishing to receive a telling off like poor Snoot, dare I question whether PG is really that interested in ‘professionally’ entertaining others?:shocked:

Sure he can’t seem to help being interested in making music (which is amazing considering!), but from most of his interviews he often wonders why anyone would even bother to come and see him play.:confused:
So with that in mind why would he want to entertain???

I suppose this is just part of the self-deprecation confusing aspect of PG – how can someone so greatly talented and admired not fully recognise it?!

:)

That's very true, doodyhead. Your comments always make a lot of sense.

Well guys let's just keep in mind I've seen Peter Green perform live and at his peak with PGFM, on a number of occasions. Not all that many here can say that. I have also seen Jeremy and Danny likewise in their heyday, again on a good number of occasions. The last time I saw Pete perform live, many years after leaving FM, he stood on the stage in a whirlwind of confusion, barely finding a few notes to get out. About halfway through the set, he wandered off and exited the stage never to return, while his band finished the set. Though he has had moments during his recovery years where flashes of the old PG rise to the surface, for the most part they're few and far between. I think this is part of Green's own ambivalence about being up on stage at this point, beyond his self-deprecating demeanor. Revisit my earlier comments and see why they stand.

No offense was aimed at Peter in what I wrote. He's the man behind the Mac, and I have always felt no one feels worse about what became of Danny Kirwan than him, which is but more points to his credit. Passion aside, Dansven needs to recognize that while we may all be hip to Green's longstanding condition, others visiting the Ledge and reading our comments may not be. The guest percentages versus members at any given time often hovers around 4 to 1 (and sometimes greater), so most comments here reach a larger audience than just those who make up the membership cadre.

As I see it, if peeps are forking over good money for concert performances (keeping in mind it's a far cry from the $3.00-5.00 as it was in the PGFM days of yesteryear), best they have some idea what they're getting into. Also a cursory look at my previous posts would show I am anything but a troll, and probably deserve more consideration than a reactionary tongue-lashing that includes an "evil" descriptor. If you had simply PMed me your feelings or relayed what you feel was inappropriate in what I posted, I might have gone back and edited - or even deleted - my post. I enjoy good discussion and lively debate, but I don't come here to crush people's feelings on a whim. If I am sometimes blunt in what I write, it's just that there is often no better way to state certain things.

I appreciate Vinnie's comments, but unfortunately there is a little more to the picture than that alone in PG's regard. However in the spirit of optimism and renewal, a GIFT it surely is considering hope springs eternal.

Ps
 

JonsonP you appear to be something of a born diplomat, like our friend the vinniemeister. Since you're just aboard, you might want to visit the early Mac section here, if you are into the early and mid era history of the band. I realize some Greenies are not, being blues purists to the bone, but there's a lot of informative reading to be had there by those who know the Mac is far more than the pop machine it eventually became.

Hi Snoot!
Yeah, few people here saw Peter with FMac. Still, most of us got to "know" him from that era ... that's how we discovered Peter first: Black Magic Woman, Albatross, Oh Well...

The "Peter Green" we first knew was the young guitar hero. But as mentioned by others here, we know that he is not that kind of player today. He has developed an entirely new approach to playing .. a new style of lead guitar. And people here appreachiate what he's doing now. He has no interest in being a guitar hero ... there is no "task" to be up to if you realise that. In spite of (or because of) his illness, he has developed. (while other "guitar heroes" sound like lame copies of themselves from the 60s ... but let's not get into that one again..)

:confused: Why write such a post just because some "bad showbiz dudes" check the Ledge now and then...
Btw, Peter lives in 2009 like the rest of us .. and he probably got his own laptop too! His family and relatives are visiting the Ledge.

Ok, I'm sure you're no troll. :) But really, what did you expect?? Can't you see that calling Peter Green "flotsam" would cause reactions??? Calling anybody "flotsam"?? This is after all a "Peter Green Forum"?!?! He wasn't "taking up space on stage" with the Splinter Group at all.

Hey Daniel

Well my choice of words simply reflect what I have witnessed on stage, and how I've felt (and still feel) about it. Perhaps I should have used another word instead of flotsam (fair enough), but I don't know if there really is a more accurate one. Do keep in mind I also stated, as JonsonP picked up on, that the larger problem remains
=> that you never know just what you're going to get with PG at any given time. There is a +/- at work here all at once.

"As long as he enjoys playing, then that should be enough" is a sensible sentiment, but 1) from what I've witnessed, I'm not always sure that is the case - and 2) there is nothing wrong with publicizing the fact that "what you see is what you get" with PG these days. And that varies widely, lest there be any unsuspecting surprises on the part of would-be concert-goers. Even in the studio, it's difficult to tell where Snowy or Nigel or brother Mick (et al) end, and Pete begins. You know the bit.

Why write such a post just because some "bad showbiz dudes" check the Ledge now and then...

No that's not what I meant. I was simply referring to anyone who might be lurking or visiting the Ledge as a (non-signed-in) "guest." No "good guy" or "bad guy" connotations are implied at all. Keep in mind our posts are spidered and indexed into various search engines, including the mother of them all Google. Lots of folks end up reading these comments without ever having set foot directly at the forum.

As for "taking up space on stage," there has been just this at times during his comeback career. I can't speak for how often, but when it occurs, it's almost painful to witness. Again, this is what I meant when I stated that "what you see is what you get with PG these days" = YMMV. But one thing I think we all can agree on, if Peter really has his heart and mind into this concert or any touring that may follow, I will be the first one to say POWER TO HIM and HALLELUIAH! It's just that even in this realm, I'm not quite sure. There's a lot of diverse forces at play here, and there not all Peter's exclusively.

Now if you want a little more fun and angst, try visit this thread. Not sure if you happened upon it yet, but we had a great time mashing on that one, even if it went well beyond a discussion of PG's blues.

Interesting Read
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=38213

Jb

Peter Green could be much, much worse.
 

I just saw that documentary on Roky Erickson "You're Gonna Miss Me" last week.
For those that don't know who I'm talking about, Roky was a member of the psychedelic band the 13th Floor Elevators from Austin TX. They migrated to the San Francisco scene in the mid 60's and became one of the favorite underground bands. Roky is credited to have coined the term "Psychedelic Rock", as well as having a distinct singing voice.

Apparently Roky liked LSD very much. He claims to have taken the drug 300 times before he was arrested by Austin's finest for the possession of one marijuana joint. That put him in the Texas mental institution for the criminally insane for three years. According to doctors, much like Peter Green, Erickson was diagnosed with schizophrenia. After his stint in the institution he made a comeback in the '70s with his alien music before finally retiring in 1987. It's ironic that Daniel Johnston was at his peak in the Austin music scene around that time. (he's another
musician with mental issues) According to Wikipedia, Erickson has made a comeback too. hmm:o


I think the footage of Roky today would now be ten years old, but it's very disturbing to watch. All he wanted to do was turn on devices that made constant noise while watching the cartoon network. Not to mention his mother wasn't helping his cause by keeping him off medication. I also noticed his mother wanted to exploit the documentary for her own personal gain as a so-called singer/dancer.


Anyway, my long winded point is that from what I've seen in the recent Green documentary Man of the World, Green appears coherent and articulate. He can also still play the guitar. The fact that he's playing in public again no matter what the circumstances should be seen a blessing, and should be appreciated.

If this is indeed true, I never heard it before. Interesting.

Apparently Roky liked LSD very much. He claims to have taken the drug 300 times ...

According to doctors, much like Peter Green, Erickson was diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Well the sad part is one will never really know if these conditions were 1) dormant all along, or 2) brought to the surface directly by drug (particularly hallucinogenic) abuse, or 3) were created by it. Those that know of Peter's remarkable drive, confidence and ambition early on would find it difficult to believe that schizophrenia was riding shotgun all along, and may be more inclined to believe that repeated LSD use (a la "one toke over the line") was more likely the cause. Unfortunately all it takes with acid is one bad dose, even if this is sometimes used as a convenient "out" to mask a larger appetite for extended indulgence (and/or self destruction).

But dice it any way you like, sustained drug abuse almost always leads to mental deterioration, often permanent. It's a high price to pay for the ghost of creativity, or for those whose more innocent experiments run out of control. And like everything else in this often random world (and as Vinnie noted earlier), some are lucky to pull through when the day is done, while others don't. Some only make it halfway, caught in a confusing, murky fog or perennial in-and-out condition. Psychedelia refers to more than just spacey, progressive music; it also includes hallucinations, changes of perception, and altered states of mind, which was all the rage during that wild era.

Anyway, my long winded point is that from what I've seen in the recent Green documentary Man of the World, Green appears coherent and articulate. He can also still play the guitar. The fact that he's playing in public again no matter what the circumstances should be seen a blessing, and should be appreciated.

Not long winded at all. Green can be coherent and articulate, other times it's not so evident. This has been the cross he bears ever since those heady years with the Mac -- in Peter's case, the ultimate price for fame, doubt, drugs and burnout. Reminiscent of what Danny Kirwan relayed in a rare interview years ago, wondering if perhaps the blues weren’t too powerful for a person such as he. The flame burned too bright, and needed extinguishing, as has been stated.

Listen to Bad Company's Shooting Star and tell me it isn't apropos, for many of our musical heroes -- and the era at large.

Edit: Paul Rodgers wrote that song as a pointed warning to people in the music industry, after witnessing what became of folks like Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison and Alan “Blind Owl” Wilson - all dead within approximately a year of the time Peter went south, and all victims of drug addictions and/or overdoses.

Snoot, when did this occur:?
" The last time I saw Pete perform live, many years after leaving FM, he stood on the stage in a whirlwind of confusion, barely finding a few notes to get out. About halfway through the set, he wandered off and exited the stage never to return, while his band finished the set. "

It must have been during the Kolors era, early-mid 80's, right? Peter was very ill then. I'm just curious.

I think we all have to agree to disagree about this stuff. I can see Snoot's point too. Still, if there are old 60's fans who haven't picked up on what Peter's been through since 1970 they deserve a rough deal/defied expectations/new music. Did they go into a coma and wake up 40 years later?

Although there are many moments where PG has flashes of just simply playing very well, with plenty of hints of both the old FM days and PVK era days.
And this is certainly true - :nod:

With PG more than most, the frame of mind he’s in, the songs, venue, atmosphere, musicians he’s with, instruments he plays etc all tend to play a huge role in determining what your likely to get.

But I’d guess that for many of us PG enjoying himself and playing in ‘any’ style is more than enough! :]

I think the person who asked Snoot when he last saw PG perform has asked a vital question.

OK I admit outside of videos and audio recordings I have not "seen" PG perform...I was supposed to see a concert in the late days of the Spliter Group but my mate forgot to buy tickets...

Anyway...from what I can ascertain, Peter certainly did appear lost on stage in the 1980's, towards the end of his "first comeback". There's little doubt that often he didn't really want to be there. There are plenty of accounts and a few tapes of him that lend credence to the idea that he was 'wheeled on stage' because of his name.

However I have never seen any footage or heard any recordings from the Spliter Group days when he seems that bad. Even from the earliest days circa 1995, Spliter Group was a professional band and sounded professional. Peter doesn't always come to the fore but he's there, and even when he is just noodling, I'd rather hear Peter's inventive noodling than some "guitar hero" playing 100 notes when 5 will do.

How many of you have watched the "Hard Road" BBC documentary which follows the run up to the first couple of Splinter Group concerts? He's in good form in the interviews, but is quiet on stage...but still playing cleanly. ??

As for his attitude, he seems to be a very humble man who finds it hard to believe that many people really think he's a great musician. That's why he isn't confident on stage, he's really not sure there is anything concrete to live up to. Don't we all, from time to time, worry that we are frauds? Most artistic people seem to anyway, musicians, writers, designers...all worry that their work which is hailed as great will one day be cut down as mediocre by critics. Peter probably doesn't feel his playing or writing were/are truly great because it came/comes naturally to him. Its a gift, he didn't sweat tears to write Albatross or BMW...or to play the solos on Oh Well...so he wonders if it really is great after all?

Every interview I have seen with PG from 1996 onwards shows him coherant...not like that early 90's Mojo interview where he talked about zombying around all day because his medication left him too tired even to set up a record player. Sure, on the Spliter Group DVD he seems less than enthusiastic...but he's coherant, he makes sense...he's clearly with it. He'd just probably rather be watching TV or practicing some noodling on one of his 96 guitars.

Anyway thos are my thoughts.

Well said & I agree with all this, especially this part - Like drowning out PG's more subtle moments with a blaze of mediocre harsh playing... - Often thought I'd ideally like to remix some of those SG recordings!:lol:

ab! welcome to the ledge (same to jonsonp). i couldn't have said it better and i come down on your and vinnie's side on this.

the splinter group was a gift as is peter's upcoming performance. i believe that pete knows well where his talent stands relative to other players, both 'in his prime' and now. he's got a lot of pride and high standards. he doesn't rate himself as highly as we do and he doesn't play as well as he'd like always. given his health its a damn miracle he's playing at all.

but his health aside, i saw the splinter group twice in the us. pete was very good both times. played the supernatural better than the record. same for the stumble. the fleetwood mac stuff he was much less interested in recreating. i have no doubt that he could recreate it if he so desired - he'd regained the technical ability in the sg days- but lacks desire and inspiration to do it.

i know i'm alone in this but in the splinter group days and now, i'd much rather hear pete play new material and covers rather than the hits. its what he'd rather do, all his interesting new solos and fills come in that context anyway. zero

Greenie & Band live in Amsterdam and Tilburg too
 

Here's the band Greenie plays with:

Peter Green & Band:
Peter Green - lead guitar / vocals
Mike Dodd - rhythm guitar / vocals
Geraint Watkins - piano/organ/ vocals
Matt Radford - double bass
Andrew Flude - drums / backing vocals

Peter Green & Band are going to play at the Paradiso (Amsterdam) on 21. February 2009 (Saturday) too.
Info: http://www.lastfm.de/event/889189

Peter Green naar Nederland : 21 feb. 2009 Amsterdam + 22 feb. 2009 Tilburg
http://www.bluesmagazine.nl/peter-gr...am-013-tilburg

Do you remember when Peter walked off? It must have been in the 80s, right? Not with the Splinter Group?

Well, when it comes to guitar solos I've never had any trouble spotting Peter .. the only exception being a couple of tracks on "In The Skies". On the rest of the 80s albums it's mainly Peter on lead. With the Splinter Group it was easy, because Peter and Nigel had very different styles. If you go waaaay back on this forum there are threads where we "solve" the guitar issues of the SG records, and I'd say we are 99.9 percent correct ;)

Yes, thanks for clearing this up. I wasn't sure what you meant.

Haha, thanks. You know, I did read you guys at the time, but I never had the time to join! :D

Good points made by all
 

Everyone who contributed to this thread has made at least one good point, even if they're not all in perfect agreement. After all, there's only so much we know.

The last time I saw PG in person was during the early 80's, so yes it has been a while. Saw him twice during that time (and yes I am aware of Pete's relapse shortly thereafter). Each time it damn near ripped my heart out. Not because I didn't know the storyline, or because I set my expectations too high. It's just I couldn't put the most basic points together, or tell if Peter even wanted to be there. This didn't make me think less of the man, as he had already achieved icon status, something most artists can only dream of. But it did leave me with a lot more questions than answers, starting with: was he was doing this for others, or were others were doing this for him?

I think there is a general consensus that Greenie did considerably better later, and may still be doing pretty good as we speak. I've seen selected video clips that seem to bear this out. If he is enjoying himself, then few things matter more, as has been stated. But even into the nineties, I've seen footage and read interviews where he doesn't seem to be fully in prime time. Maybe that, weighed against what I witnessed earlier, helps create the end image that I'm no longer certain what to expect (aka WYSIWYG). Peter does have a lot of pride; after all, he made his name as a trailblazer and top notch blues guitarist. But I'd be a lot more comfortable knowing he isn't being used or played, and this suspicion was compounded when I saw PG walk away from the stage but once again in recent years after many things seemed to be going his way. Only this time, it wasn't exit stage left as before, but back into retirement.

Whether this was from burnout, or a lack of motivation, or his medication(s) getting in the way, I'm not sure. But even with his resurgence in the Splinter Group, the fact that that unit released nine albums in less than that many years sort of hints of a money grab to me. And if there is one thing we ALL know, Peter isn't into green manalishi! I don't mean to cast aspersions recklessly, as those closest around him have also clearly helped him. In fairness, I suppose this remains a two way street in a number of ways, and any of those profiting off of his name and talent at this point may deem it to be perfectly fair and justifiable, since they comprise his inner circle and support arm, and do what they can to keep him in good stead. C'est la vie.

As for his newfangled style, I agree with many here that Peter has always understood, clearer and more poignantly than most, that less is often more. Then again, this same approach goes back to his Mayall and Mac days too, though things often ramped to more fiery levels in those supercharged days. That's not to say I don't appreciate the riff graffiti of Alvin Lee, or the clear-as-bell tones of Eric Johnson, or the acoustic fretwork of Tommy Emmanuel, or the lit fuse of Stevie Ray Vaughan now and again. But there is also clearly a time and place for the tasteful paucity of a Peter Green, or syncopated phrasing of a Harvey Mandel. In that regard, to each their own as it's all good.

I'm not so sure about those "solvings" my friend. I'm 99.9 percent certain you and others may be fooling yourselves with such clarity. Snowy and Nigel have both mastered the art of imitation, it's been part of their jobs. That trump card can be pulled out as needed. I won't try to debate on just how much of PG you're hearing at any given time in the post Mac recordings, but trust me it's not always as black and white as it may seem, and far from a duckshoot to decipher. Those who think it is are into wishful thinking. The same can be said for Danny Kirwan years earlier, who possessed the talent to trade licks with - and imitate in many ways - Pete at the end. Did you see the reaction I got when I parlayed that notion in an earlier thread here? There are folks who still think that the lion's share of what they're hearing on Then Play On is PG, when in fact it isn't.

I realize many don't appreciate or understand how good Danny had gotten by the end, since he has traditionally been relegated to taking up space in Peter's shadow, with both the public at large and per many music critics. He first took to Green as something of a mentor, but also brought a prodigious arsenal of his own to the table. As time went on, Danny enjoyed getting in Peter's face at times, his head really, so there was part intimidation, part rivalry, part compliment and part admiration going on all at once. The two came to rely on each other, hinged in a competitive framing, but it brought out the best in each. Some have tried to portray DK's role as being that of a convenient foil, but it was far more than that, and far closer to a push-n-pull partnership. When PG went down, part of DK went with him. That match made in heaven went the way of the inferno instead.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/b...ages/riffs.jpg

Peter and danny, peter and snowy, peter and nigel
 

I, for one have no trouble telling peter and danny apart. even in their trade-offs in like it this way. Snowy was a harder one as snowy had a much more mikly touch and a more similar player. With Nigel, I am sorry to say that even on his best days, he ain't got it.

The only time I was seriously confused about Peter was, :
1 on the In the Skies because I refused to believe (at the time) that someone else would be doing the Solos. Even when it said it on the album I thought it was a misprint
2 On Whatcha Gonna Do, Little Dreamer and Kolors: The guitar playing was so out of character for the some of the solo's. Again, in my Petocentrism, I wondered if he had styles of playing that I just had not hear before. Again we know now that they had players with him, in the event that Peter melted into the rhythm section.

This is not for a moment to downplay Dannys virtuosity and ability to blend with Peter. Their duets are sublime. It's like the Andrew Sisters.
Maybe Snowy is Laverne

doodyhead

Doody, only you can bring a smile so quick. :laugh: ;) :D

As a solid gig-worthy guitarist Nigel does a fair job, but when it comes to trying to emulate PG's FM sound it just doesn't come close. When he plays his own solo's in his own style I actually prefer it, whereas most of those BMW, Green Manalishi attempt's are actually pretty average and eventually become annoying! But of course trying to copy PG isn't exactly the easiest task!
:o

nigel, himself
 

Agreed that when Nigel plays his own style. But what is his own style?

He is a fairly competent Robert Johnson imitator.
The songs of his that I like the best are the ones that he doesn't try to imitate anyone.

For example: his one about overeating

vinnie

Bulimia Blues?
 

Which one is that?

Ms Moose

Haha, I like your "manalishi" comment. Yeah, nine albums is a lot.. but I guess it also means that Peter's health in the late 90s and early 2000s has been enormously improved, compared to his days with Kolors. Splinter Group's work load and touring could never have happened in the 80s.

And I guess it's a give-and-take situation really. I mean: Where would Nigel be today without Peter? And where would Peter be today without Nigel?

Ah, I bet you haven't even bothered to look up those posts!!
Peter's approach is unique!! Mayall said recently that he's one of few players who only have to take a couple of notes, to be recognized. It's true!!!
Nigel Watson?!?! A former plumber (or whatever)?!?! As Vinnie said: "...he ain't got it." Their guitar styles are as different as their voices.
This sort of thing always puzzles me... if people can't distinguish Peter Green from any other guitar wannabe ... then what's the big thing about Peter Green then?? Why would he be so special then to those people???

It always bothers me to read album reviews that go like this:
Peter Green really does a great guitar solo on You'll Be Sorry Someday..." Those reviewers haven't got a clue, as he doesn't play guitar solo on that track.
So, name any SG track, and I'll tell you who's who! ;)

I get the impression you admire Danny more than Peter. And I agree, Danny needs much more recognition! Though, as much as I really adore Danny (both as guitar player and songwriter), I always find that Peter is dimentions above him! As for them trading licks, I've no trouble identifying who's who! The two have completely different styles!! True, they both developed until the "end" in 1970, but I have most bootlegs from that era and the two are actually very different! Listening to bootleg live recordings of for example Rattlesnake Shake/Madge Jams ... you can always identify who's taking lead and who's doing rhythm .. same when they're trading licks!

Btw Snoot, that's a wonderful photo!! Never seen it!! Thanks a lot!! :D

Oh no! Here we go again, and I'm not helping this time! I'll be cheering you on from the sidelines. :laugh:


Howabout a Mike Bloomfield vs. Peter Green debate instead?