Peter live with Mayall 1967
 

Hi everybody,

I found this article here o the Penguin:

December 3, 1998: MOJO magazine, December 1998 -- "A priceless live tape of John Mayall's Bluesbreakers featuring Peter Green has been discovered by Mike Vernon. Details are sketchy, but the recording includes versions of Double Trouble, Hideaway, All Your Love and The Stumble. Expect it next year on Deram." Thanks to Julie Kedward for this information.

Has this been released???

"Next year" should have been in 1999! Have I really missed this one, or did it not happen? If it exists, it really is "priceless".

Daniel

Thanks for bringing this up, Daniel. I wan't even aware that this existed (if in fact it really does), and obviously I've never heard of it being released. Wonder why we haven't heard anything more about this tape?

(Maybe you should cross-post this to the Pre-Rumours forum too)

Was this ever released?
 

I've never heard anything about this other than the mention in MOJO that Daniel spotted. It would be great to hear some live stuff from Mayall with Peter Green.

There are actually two different expanded "A Hard Road" CDs around now. One 2CD from 2003 that contains all tracks that Peter played with Mayall (except Yo-Yo Man). Then there is a CD from 2006 that contains some of the non-album tracks, plus "No More Tears", "Ridin' On The L&N", "Sitting In The Rain" and "Leaping Christine" from BBC 23rd January 1967. These have only been on bootlegs until now.

When it comes to live recordings, there is a 5CD box from 2006 called "Esseitially John Mayall", that contains "The Stumble" and Double Trouble" from 1967 (with Green and Fleetwood). These are on a disc that is labeled "previously unheard live and session tracks from his (Mayall's) personal archive". So I don't know if these tracks are live or alt. studio takes.

Does anybody have this CD box?

expanded again
 

I am going to have to check the CD box now. I bought this two years ago. I wonder if they have the new one on itunes?

I just got my copy of this box but there are no liner notes at all, inside the box is just the five cardboard slip cases the discs come in with virtuanlly nothing listed on them except the tracklistings. The tracks on that disc do have that live sound but more like the BBC recordings type live sound (though I've only had the chance to listen to the disc 1 or 2 times so far since I just got it. I'll come back here & elaborate on it if I think of anything else to say about it after further listens.

It does, in the most vague way, state that John McVie is on the Clapton era "Hideaway" & "Tears in my eyes" live tracks as well. Amazon actually has more info on the years these were recorded, the years recorded aren't even listed on the CD (just the last names of the personnel on the tracks)!

John

Thanks so much for the info, John! :woohoo:

two long fine tracks with Greeny
 

There are fine Greeny's guitar work on these tracks.
They are much longer than studio versions.
On Double Trouble Peter plays guitar solo (two minutes) which is missing on studio version.
The time of the tracks:
The Stumble - 7:04
Double Trouble - 6:54

The line up on both tracks - Mayall, Green, McVie, Fleetwood

Stay Green
Krzysztof

Bluesbreakers featuring P Green
 

You'll find some great pieces of live stuff (and info) at:

http://www.johntherevelator.nl/history/peter_green_

look for "Unique live recordings London 1967" and "continue »"

or:

http://www.johntherevelator.nl/disco...495f99f96260a3

/Z

What a treasure trove!
Thanks for the tip!
I didn't see any details about the release, though?

Yes, thanks so much for the link to that website, zoork! It's hard to tell when anything will actually be released, but I suppose you can email the John the Revelator website for more info.

Peter live with Mayall 1967
 

Thanks indeed for these links, zoork! The John the Revelator site certainly whizzed me back 40 odd years, as Tom Huissen (who recorded the Bluesbreaker tapes) was staying with me and my brother John at our parents' house when most of the tapes were recorded. I was at some of the gigs and John at all of them. It's slightly miffing, though, that almost all of the Mayall/Green photographs from that period on the site were taken by John, and he's not credited, as far as I can see. I must contact Tom and try to get that rectified -- and also find out if CDs of the performances are available.

Got it from a nice chap, and thought it would be appreciated here... :-)

/z

Heureka!
 

YES! A treasure trove it is! Thank you Zork 1. ! (And Tom for being there :xoxo:)

I almost fell of the chair with happiness at the sound of these recordings. :]

It seems that a lot of people have e-mailed the web site and asked how to get hold of the cd's but has gotten no answer.

Ms Moose

Hello Derek. I know from the Pre-Rumours site (and the Revelator site)that your brother finally got his credits, but did you find out about whether the cd's are or will be available?
There is no mention of it on the Revelator site.

Thanks a million - Ms Moose

Hi, Ms Moose. There's actually an issue about the tapes that John is trying to resolve with Tom, and I'd rather not say anything until this is sorted out.

The CDs will be available ? :-)
 

I got an answer from Tom Huissen (vocalist/bass player John the Revelator):

The CD's are not for sale yet.
I am trying to work out a deal to get them released.
As soon as they are for sale, I will let you know.

Hope for the best :-)
Krzysztof

Thanks Krzysztof!
Please keep us posted when you know more!

Yes, thanks for putting efforts in...


/z

Thank you Derek Slade and Krzysztof for your time and effort. It is very exciting - and rare - that something "new" turns up, and everyone - or at least myself - get very impatient about getting hold of it. Let's hope that it all works out.

I wish that a lot more people of the 68 generation would tidy up in the attic!

...and I have just noticed that I have been up for a promotion: I am not a 'junior ledgie' anymore :D

Ms Moose

:thumbsup: CONGRATULATIONS!!!:thumbsup:
:wavey:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!, Wouter. :wavey:

Ms Moose

Yes this is very exciting news. There's so little live material available from the Mayall/Green era and now 5 cd's of live songs! I keep my fingers crossed that any legal matters on this one should really be solved. I think it has potential to be a big seller.

I agree about the exciting news part. Unfortunately there seems to be
legal problems concerning most of Greeny's music,
witness the Katmandu sessions that were supposed to be released, for example.
Hope any legal problems can be worked out concerning this music.

Yes there always seems to be all kinds of complications, and they might be different each time. I wonder what the legal problem in this case could be? Would one important question be 'who owns this music'? In this case someone (Tom H) owns the tapes, but who owns 'what is on the tapes'? Is it John Mayall?

When you love music you basically just want to hear it no matter who 'owns' it. This is (sadly) an attitude who makes no one rich. As you can see I am not into law at all. Maybe one of you have more knowledge of these matters and can come up with something a bit more advanced than this.

Ms Moose

Mayall/Green Bluesbreakers 5 cd
 

Anyone has any new information on this? Or has the project gone up in legal limbo smoke?


The CD's are not for sale yet.
I am trying to work out a deal to get them released.
As soon as they are for sale, I will let you know.

the article "Rock star who turned his back on a million"
 

Hello,
on this site:

http://www.johntherevelator.nl/history/peter_green_

you can find link to download this short article from Sunday Mirror from 1987.

Regards
Krzysztof

Peter and his "out-of-phase" sound
 

I always thought that Peter dismanteled his pick-ups and accidentally put them back together out of phase during his early Fleetwood Mac period.
Now listening to Double Trouble I realize that this must have happened in his Mayall years.
:thumbsup:

Early '67
 

From what I've read Peter played without a neck pickup for a period while in Mayall. Then he decided to get it repaired, and the rest is history. So I think it was probably fixed during the winter/early spring of '67 (a good guess).

Just wondering how many of you folks got the tapes Tom has "released" so far.

I have them - absolutely essential listening. Finally get to hear Four Million Nobs (or One Million Nobs) which I believe mutated into Greeny (is this right) but is here played as a Freddie King salute and is extraordinary on the Marquee Tape. On the Ram Jam tape is more sedate and less inspired (to my ears).

Highlights: San-Ho-Say, So Many Roads, Stormy Monday, Tears In My Eyes, Four Million Nobs, The Stumble (natch).

Unfortunately I never managed to get hold of them. I wrote to the website, but never got a reply, like a lot of other people - as far as I can see from the writings on the site.:distress:

It's sad that they cannot be released officially - they are a treasure (musically, historically, culturelly). But as far as I remember there was legal complications about ownership).

It's great to hear that AccidentalLight got lucky. How did you do that?

Ms Moose

Being a bit of a fanatic I googled around for a long time and stumbled upon a couple of sites which told you how to do it: Try this link and scroll down.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/ar.../t-260501.html

There are three AFAIK available at present, Marquee, Manor House and Ram Jam. IMHO Ram Jam is the weakest of the the three currently available. The link above explains how to get the Marquee Tape which has Four Million Nobs which is worth any admission price on its own :)

After you follow the instructions you may get a message from Tom - I was worried it had not worked out but the correct reply to that message opened the door.