Do any other non-Lindsey fans miss him?
 

I was one of the first to say I was looking forward to seeing the new sextuplet line up. It was new and exciting and enticing. Then they did a few interviews, my interest piqued.

All the anticipation - stupidly bought a ticket I won't be able to afford airfare for unless I get a new job or win the lottery. To Sacramento show, where I saw Stevie solo two years before.

Now, lately, I keep thinking how stupid they (and most people think they is Mick and Stevie but we don't know for certain how involved the McVies were) were. The Rumours 5 put on a spectacular show in Sydney in late 2015. I am so happy I got to see them for what I was sure at the time would not be the last time. How wrong I was.

I'm not one to get involved in the I Stand With Lindsey movement. The band made a decision I disagree with, there are conflicting accounts publicly and only they (the band) know the real story.

But what they did was unfair to a man who had done so much for them.
I will miss him.

There are definitely 2 groups, those that feel excited and interested to see the "new group," and those that are angry/sad/ disappointed with the band for firing Lindsey.

I land firmly in the second group. So much so, that when I unexpectedly heard "Go Your Own Way" in a store suddenly, it felt like a physical punch in the gut. The sadness that washed over me was tangible, and heavy and deep. My eyes welled up, and I felt anguish similar to a death.

For me, this is the death of the most important musical group in my life. The group that was the backdrop to my entire life. Through teenage years, school, university, marriage, babies, divorce, remarriage, etc, etc.

When someone says that "I should just get over it," it is no different to me than a solid loss in my life.

When someone says "It's only a band," it hasn't been to me.

I am definitely a Lindsey fan, I will definitely miss him. For those that are non Lindsey fans and miss him, I feel your pain and will never minimize it for you. Grieve on, my friends.

My sentiments exactly... minus the babies and remarriage part. ;)

Our paths are identical. :) This band has been the emotional support system in my life, especially when those you're supposed to count on weren't there.

Music speaks to people in different ways. The band didn't speak to me before or after Lindsey, only when Lindsey was with them. The emotional tapestry that he painted on ALL of Fleetwood Mac's work is what I will miss the most. It just does not resonate the same.

I will miss Lindsey's remarkable production on the band's recordings. And his role in the band as a whole onstage. I agree fully with everyone who says he was integral to the sound and success of FM over many years. But unlike many, I gave up on any new FM music fifteen or so years ago. Regardless of whose fault it might be, the five were NEVER recording as a team again. So we have lived with oldies tours for ages, and for me it doesn't really matter who is in the lineup, I do not go to the shows. The last I saw was Unleashed almost ten years ago.

Nope. Not anymore.

Like many...Fleetwood Mac is the soundtrack of my life. I will not be seeing them on this tour. (my 2nd favorite band is Crowded House) and as much as I love Neil it’s not working for me. 2013 was my last MAC tour and will be the last time I will see them. New music and lots of energy. 1978-2013 not so bad. See you in November Mr. Buckingham.

I was drawn to the music of Fleetwood Mac as a child of the 1970's. I began buying their music at a tender age, and my mother took me to see The Rumours Tour when I was 7 years old. The Rumours lineup IS the definitive Fleetwood Mac for me. While I do have great appreciation for the Bob Welch recordings, The Mac for ME is Lindsey, Stevie, Mick, John and Chris. The 5 of them together create a magic that is unparalleled.

I have ALWAYS been drawn to Stevie Nicks and I am a huge fan of her solo work. Though I toss out my fair share of jokes regarding her persona, Stevie was the goddess of my childhood. Watching Stevie belt out "Sara" on the Tusk tour still gives me goosebumps nearly 40 years later. She has always been my favorite member--hands down.

All of this being said, Fleetwood Mac is NOTHING without Lindsey Buckingham. I was there in the audience for the 1987-1990 Tours, and I can tell you first hand that the magic was gone-no shame on Billy and Rick--it just DID NOT WORK. I did not feel that magic again until 1997, which was like being BORN AGAIN for a Mac fan.

It's extremely sad that the band has chosen to end its legacy in this manner. I'm still stunned. I have not purchased tickets to the 2018/2019 Tour. I have attended every Fleetwood Mac tour since 1977 (I even suffered through the dreadful karaoke "Time" tour), so this will be the first time that I'm sitting out. Oh, I know my absence won't make a bit of difference, the tour will make plently of cash. I simply cannot, in good conscience, financially support the firing of Lindsey Buckingham. Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are outstanding musicians, but this isn't Fleetwood Mac. Moreover, the audience filled with casual suburban fans isn't my scene. I wish them well, but I'll spend my $600 on a product of substance and credibility.

Co-sign all of this. I, too, have attended every show since the 80s, often travelling for miles and spending hundreds on tickets and lodging, just to hear 'oldies.' No complaints though; I always loved every minute. My friends like to tease me because I always get nervous right before FM comes on stage, which I realize is really dumb, but I just love the band so much. On the last tour, during the "YMLF" intro, when Christine started singing, the whole arena EXPLODED, and I remember going to three shows and waiting for that very moment. It was so special, beautiful, and emotional. This new incarnation seems like the polar opposite of that. It all just makes me think,"Ew." I, too, believe that my opting out of the tour won't make any difference, but I just have no desire to see them without Lindsey. I've always loved them all, but on the past several tours, Lindsey has been my favorite. Everything about this seems wrong and nasty. :(

I'll miss Lindsey, but I do have real life drama to worry about rather than getting bent out of shape over a band who's hey day happened two decades before I was born. I am excited and welcoming to the new lineup, I am praying Chris and Stevie get a few more nice songs in with Flynn doing some pre 1975 tracks. Lindsey's songs have always been my least favorite of the three writers. I understand the hurt over losing him, but I wish they'd just shut up and buy a ticket to his solo casino tour instead of trying to bleed negativity to those of us who are fine.

And you're the only one with real life drama? No, you're not. I hope people here would stop thinking they're the only ones with real life problems. We all have them. Period.

No, you don't understand the hurt since you have never been a fan. So, don't say you "understand". You don't.

You're free to go to those empty arenas as many times as you want. If you're letting other fans' opinions to affect your idea of fun, that's your problem. This is an open message board. Have fun.

I think its wrong to divide fans as pro Lindsey and anti Lindsey. You are a Fleetwood Mac fan for lots of reasons but most important is the music. Lindsey is a HUGE part of the music. I really don't understand this thread.

I'd rather not have immature hecklers in the crowd as another thread is suggesting, no.

Yeah, because this is all about being immature.... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Oh, wait, maybe you're talking about those four people who are not answering Lindsey's calls. Yeah, really mature. Thank God they're not my thing anymore.

I mean, he's out what else is there to talk about?
I doubt either McVie's have any ill feelings towards him. But then again, anything to demonize the whole band and put Lindsey on a pedestal, right?

He is not out, he was ousted. So, there's still a lot to talk about. But who cares, right? As long as Queen Stevie has the chance to dance around her house, that's the only thing that matters.

Yeah, I'm sure everything is fine, that's why they're being so mature and are actually talking to him. Because everything is fine.

who's Flynn?

Have not you heard the olde saying "in like Flynn:shrug:

I’m a Stevie fan first so in that sense I’m interested in seeing the new band but that said, I could not make it through the Ellen clips. I haven’t bought a ticket to the new tour and I’m not sure if I’m going to. To me, Fleetwood Mac is the five band members we know and love and even though I’m not a fan of Lindsey’s personality or solo work I’m so upset about him not being in the band. I went to my first FM concert on their last tour and I was amazed at Lindsey’s energy. He was basically the star of the show. If the band had a real reason for firing Lindsey as some have implied, I’d be more inclined to side with them here but blaming his firing on scheduling issues is ridiculous. The band has really let me down.

Interesting. They also blamed it on happiness, but only after the scheduling conflicts got refuted.

I'd say if you're a fan of The Rumours Five, you'd be lying if you said you wouldn't miss Lindsey. His touch was so integral to the sound of that configuration. You can't take him out and have THAT SOUND. I really do love all the different FM lineups over the last 50 years, but The Rumours 5 is my favorite. So for sure I'm going to miss Lindsey more than Peter, Danny, and Bob. I missed what those guys brought to the band too, but Lindsey was a contributor for so many more years than those guys. Lindsey deserved better than how he got treated.

For me I am on Lindsey's side and won't support the band.

I got into FM because of SN. She was the main attraction and I didn't bother with any of the solo albums from other members.

I decided to give them a try and really enjoyed Lindsey's material. It isn't all good but it isn't all bad either. I know his solo material is not exactly MOR top 40 stuff but I like that he isn't selling out just to have hits.

When he got fired I really saw some fans true colors on Facebook. They clearly only support FM if SN is in the band. I saw so many nasty comments about him and or his family. I believe his wife when she says they lied. Why would she put her credibility on the line by lying. She runs an established business and doesn't need the money or exposure that comes with FM. Yet people dump all over her for defending her husband. They call her a liar, gold digger, say she got knocked up on purpose for financial gain etc.

Then when you offer a counter point you either get attacked or they remove your posts and or block you from that group. They also bring up abuse stories from years ago or quote garbage from the "Storms" or "Gold Dust Woman" books of which no one in FM had any say in what was written.

Some of the admins in those groups are something else. They allow slanderous or vulgar comments and do nothing.

I saw a post from a guy who said something to the effect that Lindsey is a woman beater and he bashed a woman's face in. Really???? It is like for the past x amount of years they have had amnesia and suddenly his firing made them remember all the bad **** he did and hence why he deserves to be fired.

When they say Lindsey didn't want to play pre 75 material I just laugh. They had 10 years without him and did a total of 4 Peter Green songs between the 3 tours but nothing else from any other pre 75 member. They did do cover songs by other artists though.

Lindsey may not be perfect but he did a lot for this band and I dislike the people minimizing his talents or contributions to the band. He was the architect of their sound and more then once set aside solo projects to work with them. He could have said no in 85 when Mick wanted a new FM album but he chose to record with them (Doing the album mostly on his own since members were either not there or checked out mentally due to drugs etc.)

Stevie Nicks has more then once kept them waiting when they either wanted to or were recording / touring. Yet the rabid SN worshipers on Facebook won't admit that period. They defend her no matter what. I don't. I may appreciate her talent as a singer etc but I don't excuse bad behavior. Same goes for Mick. I feel Mick only does what is best for his pocket book no matter who gets hurt or how it hurts the brand of FM.

Some of the SN fans are nuts. There is one named Ben Davis on Facebook that posts about wanting Karen's info so he can meet SN and then makes these slanderous posts about Lindsey physically abusing SN etc. He needs help. Sadly though people allow it and encourage his nonsense. Same goes with others on there. There is another guy who spams all the groups going on about how stale the setlists were with Lindsey and that he is whiny baby etc. None of what they say is true but they don't call these crazed people on it.

The band as a whole since Tusk virtually ignored the pre 75 lineup and now all of a sudden they are gung ho to revive that material. If that is the only selling point for the new cash grab tour what does that tell you.

In my opinion at this point in their career what is the point of trotting out yet another new lineup? You have nothing new to promote and are charging big bucks to hear allot of songs we have heard done numerous times on various tours.

Thanks for your input, Nicks Fan! :thumbsup:

Love that you've given Lindsey's solo stuff a try. You won't regret it. :woohoo:

Many so-called FM fans showed their true colors when Lindsey was fired. They are offended by some comments about Stevie but have no problem doing the same with Lindsey's wife.

Many of us here know those FB group's administrators. :lol::lol: Better to avoid those groups, IMO. Anyway, you have many fans here who share the same line of thought. Stevie = Goddess and Lindsey= Abuser.

Those who minimize Lindsey's contribution to the band are not FM fans. No matter how much you dislike the guy, his contribution is undeniable. :)

Straight truth right there.

They did some Peter Green stuff when Rick Vito was in the band.

I think the biggest reason they want to revisit the early material is because 2018 is the 50th anniversary of their first two albums and Mick, Stevie, and John wanted to celebrate the 50 year legacy of the band, whereas Lindsey talks about the 43 year legacy of the Rumours lineup. Both are valid viewpoints.

Ummm, you think?????


Great posts Nicks fan... Agreed and wow.. I've seen some of the $ fans on Facebook and just wow. I'm embarrassed for them.

Very well put, I agree with almost every single word and feel the same way.

From a fellow Canadian, you summed my feelings up here as well.

Thank you!

Are you going to see Lindsey in Kingston?

From last year. Christine said "Lindsey left for about 3 years" Can anyone get their facts straight in this band? More like 10!!! Also girl needs to get new choppers!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFV15oGtNfc

Sorry but I don't buy into the idea that Mick, Stevie and John suddenly wanted to start doing deep cuts from Danny, Bob Weston or Dave Walker to celebrate the band's 50th anniversary. Further, as I mentioned in another thread, Fleetwood Mac is Mick and John's band. You can't tell me that Lindsey, Stevie or anyone else would override them if they wanted to play Oh Well, Hypnotized, Bare Trees or Tell Me All The Things You Do. And if that's what they wanted to do, they should have brought Billy and/or Rick back into the fold, two guys who were in the band and have performed Fleetwood Mac classics in their solo career.

Rolling Stone: Aug. 28, 2017
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Are you thinking at all about the set list yet? Will it be very different than the last tour?

Yeah. I was in Italy recently and met Stevie out there. Actually, she was in Capri and I was close to there. She said to me, “Let’s sit down and really listen to some stuff that sort of almost got forgotten.” So I know she’s already thinking she wants to do some things we haven’t done in years. I always think that Stevie and Lindsey should do a Buckingham Nicks song in the set. And have Christine should do a blues song. I hope it certainly won’t be the same show as we did before. We always played nearly three hours, and we cut it back a little bit for the wear and tear, but we do over two hours. And when you got three singers, which is, like, three bands, really, to get that perfect set, it’s a trip.
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As for bringing back Billy, I doubt he’s up for it, while Rick doesn’t seem especially interested in it.

You mean Kitchener. I want to go but I have no way to get there as I don't drive for medical reasons.

The other thing I was going to say is the hypocrisy of the fans on Facebook. They say it is a group and the "group fired him" then when you talk about the group not doing pre 75 material they go off saying things that suggest Lindsey has the power to stop them from doing that material. He doesn't. Mick is the only founding member left and if he wanted to do older material he would have.

Correct me if I am wrong but when they did the Peter Green material on the 87-90 tours wasn't it only because Rick insisted on it?

You are right but my point was that FM had at that time 20 years of material to chose from and they did a total of 4 PG songs on the two tours 87-88 and 90. They did nothing from any OTHER member pre 75. If Mick really cared about those guys he would have done songs by them. The fact is he was happy doing whatever as long he was making money. Because SN has demanded they do this stuff for the new tour he is doing it and NOT because he wants to.

This tour is nothing more then a cash grab. If they end up doing a new CD it will only be because SN wants to stick it to Lindsey.

It amazes me how many fans give Mick a pass time and again for his behavior. What would have to happen before the worshipers say "I think that is too much" or " I am drawing the line here and can't support that kind of behavior" etc.

One person on Facebook said they sounded "Fresh" at Iheart. WTH. They sounded good but fresh???? There was nothing remotely fresh about that. They played hits they have done before in the same way. Nothing more nothing less.

I would also say that allot of the people acting all excited about hearing pre 75 material likely never cared for that material before and probably don't even own any material from FM that dates before 75. I own almost all the FM albums and even have solo 45's from Bob Welch and Danny Kirwan etc.

Examples of songs that will result in lines at the bathrooms and beer stands if they are performed. For every fan who knows and loves the Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Bob Welch, and pre-1975 Christine songs, there are many, many more who just "want to hear the hits." My feeling is that the band might start the tour including a handful of these ancient songs, but as they observe the lack of a response from the crowds, they will pare them down to one song, probably "Oh Well."

My apologies, I meant Kitchener. I have a very close friend in Kingston so it was on the brain.
I’m sorry you are not going. I hope you didn’t think I was prying.

I assumed they'd do more pre-75 songs to fill the gap left by the Lindsey songs but now that they've done "Second Hand News," I wonder if they're planning on doing more of his songs as well. If so, there won't be that much room for all these obscure oldies.

I think we'll get four, tops... and probably not that many. If they drop some or most of them, I doubt they'll replace them with anything - I bet they'll just shorten the setlist.

The Heartbreakers have done Oh Well in their set before so it would appear Mike is likely a fan, and already plays it well. It is the most widely-known and is upbeat (unlike say Green Manalishi, though I love that too). What else? Rattlesnake Shake is raucous and fun but how many know it is another story

Round that out with 1 Neil song (and the Queen has already indicated she likes singing the "Hey now, hey now bit" and 1 Heartbreakers song (besides Stop Draggin) and that's probably it. People of a certain age will recognize DDIO but not sure about younger fans (born after 1990). I can just hear some of the younger/newer/casual fans going "Wow I didn't know this was a FM song!!"

Great idea! While they're doing the cover band thing, they can play "Bernadette," "It's the Same Old Song," "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch." And maybe they can get the backing vocalists to do some cool synchronized dance steps.