Mick and Stevie RULE!!!
 

:wavey: :rolleyes: We were very much disappointed in the
way Mick sucked Lindsey in to do this record
and then ganged up against Lindsey to change
the bargin!:eek:Stevie and Mick were...definitely
in charge! John got three words in...but he did
tell Mick to "shut-up"! Lindsey was very kind to
John and John sided with Lindsey! The workings
of the band and the back-biting and tempers do
spoil it for me! I would take my SYW album back
if I could! Lindsey was worn down to a skeleton
by this fighting and the troubles! His jeans were
falling off him by the end! Glad they showed his
pretty Leelee calling him Daddy and his son Will
and Kristen! He is a proud Family Man!!!:) Good
thing he can go home to them at night!!!;) Sky:)

The main impression I take away from this documentary is that Lindsey was fundamentally true to the ideal he had for this album. I owe him an apology because I criticized him last year when it was made public that the double-album idea was scrapped. I thought he had caved because of the money. I see now that he was slimed by Mick and no one stood by him. Stevie seemed more concerned with giving the record company "commercial" songs while Lindsey wanted to make sure the album didn't become too safe.

Kudos to our man,who is the main reason I started paying attention to Fleetwood Mac again six years ago. In a way, I wish he had followed through on his threat to Mick that he would pull his songs and go solo again.

I'm going to choose my words VERY carefully, so as not to start some goofy war.

But I honestly don't understand how someone could think that Stevie and Mick ruled the proceedings.
Lindsey pushed for a double-album... they eventually all conceded to his wishes.
Lindsey pushed for Mark Needham to mix the album... and despite Chris Lord-Alge being her preference, Stevie agreed to using Lindsey's choice after careful consideration.
Not to mention that Lindsey produced the album... most likely calling all the shots on arrangements, etc.

So, uhm, how did Mick and Stevie rule?

Not defending Mick here, but Mick explained his position... initially he was gung-ho about doing a double album, but as the reality of that began to sink in, he started to have doubts. I don't think he was trying to deceive Lindsey... he merely began having a change of heart. Which happens.
Stevie, for her part, was concerned that the album-buying public was not going to want to spend a lot of money to buy a double disc set from artists in their late-50s... but when the record company came back to them and said that they could keep the cost down, Stevie was then comfortable with the idea.

Just because Lindsey wants something, it doesn't mean the rest of the band should just nod their heads like mindless automatons. They are allowed to have opinions contrary to Lindsey's, without having to be painted as "the bad guys."

And for what it's worth, Lindsey seems to have gotten just about everything he wanted... Mark Needham mixed the album, and his "gutsier" material dominates the track-listing for the first half of the disc.
And it should be said that it was his decision to pare it back to a single disc after all, because he was afraid he wouldn't recoup his costs, if the band didn't tour for x amount of time, record another album, and then tour again.

From what I saw in the documentary, Mick & Stevie worked to make compromises that would keep Lindsey happy, while Lindsey didn't appear to make any compromises... even threatening to remove 3/4th's of his material from the equation if they didn't agree to doing it his way (material that was already meant for a solo album, that he had made the decision to recast as a Fleetwood Mac album).

Yeah, I completely agree that Lindsey is good for Fleetwood Mac, in regards to keeping them from "playing it too safe," but he should also realize that if he wants to keep that expensive mansion, and to buy his wife expensive diamond rings, then he's going to have to be mindful of the "commercial"/business side of things, too.

Life's all about compromises. :nod: :)

Dude. Sky.
 

Lay off, just when I was about to come in here and gloat about how I have a new appreciation for the man you go and diss my girl;) Least he can do when going home to them all night to show he ain't frail is to eat...*Smirk* And 'trouble' isn't in any one specific place, if the man didn't love the process so much he wouldn't be there :rolleyes:
Politics are just that, politics and are you forgetting that in the end it was HIS decision to pull it because he WAS thinking about his family *cough* Food for thought sweets, No pun intended:laugh:
On a final note I echo what Johnny Stew said. Compromise, as opposed to have 'Stevie run the show' or, what you might often dream about in your bed late at night, 'LINDSEY run the show'....it's about the compromise that lies between.:nod:

another one!
 

I agree with everything you have said Johnny Stew, it was STevie who backed down and went along with what Lindsey wanted with most things. The mixing, the album length etc. Mick did not misrepresent himself to suck Lindsey in either. Lindsey 'asked' Mick to play drums on his GOS tracks and it went from there. This is a band with four people in it, who all have equal rights and opinions. Mick changed his mind and explained his position very well. They all want Lindsey to be happy but they also want to make money and have a successful album. Lindsey is the one in this doc who came across as demanding, pushy and like he had to have his own way or he would 'walk'.
I agree that without Lindsey this album would not be the masterpiece it is. His vision was a wonderful one and I am glad he pushed for his ideas, however he needs to learn to compromise a bit more. Overall, the special was great. It gave me a renewed appreciation for the hard work the whole band put into this project. I also never realized how involved they all are in every little aspect of things. I think STevie came across as very articulate, smart, creative and in touch with reality.
I will always support this band and nothing I could watch would want me to take my cd back. I love the music and listen to all 18 tracks quite often. That is really mind blowing to me that you would not want the cd anymore after watching such an interesting show.

Lindsey mentioned that apparently he found out about Mick's change of heart through some indirect channel. Or did I misunderstand that? This was during the footage with Lindsey in the car. I'll have to review it, but it seemed that something less-than-straightforward happened there.

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Stevie, for her part, was concerned that the album-buying public was not going to want to spend a lot of money to buy a double disc set from artists in their late-50s... but when the record company came back to them and said that they could keep the cost down, Stevie was then comfortable with the idea.

Admit it, even you must have gotten a giggle or two from her rather naive 10-27-year-old-buyer comment. It was goofy and charming all at once. I mean, come on Stevie, teenagers aren't going to rush out and buy FM's new album. The Dance was different because a lot of kids had heard those songs in their parents' record collections and they were therefore pre-disposed to like the stuff. Frankly, I don't know too many 10-year-olds who rush to the stores for any albums.

Even from a business perspective, 30- and 40-somethings are the ones who would buy the album, and this group being more value-savvy than teenagers, would have loved to get a double disc. Besides, as it later became clear, the second disc would have cost pennies per copy to put out. It really was a non-issue and I'm still a little baffled as to why ultimately the idea was scrapped. It seems that fear, more than reality, drove this decision. I also was curious about Lindsey's comment that Stevie might drop out after doing 40 dates on the tour and it would therefore not be cost effective. Puzzling words, which seemed somewhat out of context. Had she threatened to do that?

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Just because Lindsey wants something, it doesn't mean the rest of the band should just nod their heads like mindless automatons. They are allowed to have opinions contrary to Lindsey's, without having to be painted as "the bad guys."

I agree with this, and I don't think anyone was arguing otherwise. At least, not I.

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And for what it's worth, Lindsey seems to have gotten just about everything he wanted... Mark Needham mixed the album, and his "gutsier" material dominates the track-listing for the first half of the disc.

Well, they went with Needham because Stevie didn't like Chris' mixes. Lindsey seemed to instinctively know who would do the mixes that would best serve the songs. And he was afraid Chris would do an assembly-line approach that Lindsey simply didn't want, and rightly. Here is another example in which Stevie was pushing for commercial and Lindsey was pushing for what would best serve the songs.

Re: another one!
 

Lindsey needed someone to play drums, so he got Mick. Makes perfect sense. Then Micks says, "Hey, you know what would be really nice? Let's get John to play bass." Lindsey agreed. Then Mick suggested they get Christine. You don't think Mick had an agenda?

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This is a band with four people in it, who all have equal rights and opinions.

A band is not a democracy. Somebody has to take charge. Usually the songwriters have more say. And that's how it should be. The problem with this band is that the guy who really needs to be in charge, Lindsey, finds resistance from the other band members on a lot of things. I can see why he gets frustrated and hurt, especially when the rest of the band takes off for Hawaii while he's still slaving away.

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however he needs to learn to compromise a bit more.

I couldn't disagree more. If you had told DaVinci, Picasso or Hemingway to compromise, they would have sneered. And rightly. Somebody has to be the creative force and have the vision. If the work has to have artistic integrity, there is very little room for compromise.

Compromise is overrated.

Re: Re: another one!
 

But SN should only compromise to LB :shrug: :laugh: (I am just joking :cool: )

But seriously, I thought this doc showed that they (all of FM) work well together. I mean FM is big time rock and roll that costs alot of money to produce and they apparently love to produce themselves in this costly way. So, if they want to record and live that way, they have to sell their product. Having to sell means making commerical music, which some view as selling out, etc. I do not view it that way. I think it is possible to do both. I think LB and SN in this instance did just that. IMO they balance each other out in a very good and appealing way.

Also, I think the statistics indicate that the under 30 year old buyers comprise the vast majority of the music buying public. Thus, the success of the rap stars (scarily in some instances) and the Brittany Spears of the world. So, I think SN was right on point that if they want to sell five million or more records they have to appeal somewhat to this demographic. The Dance certainly did. :cool:

Keeping in mind that we only saw a tiny snippet of the whole story, I think that Lindsey was concerned about only getting out 12 songs out of 22. In the end, they apparently all compromised to put out an 18 song single CD.

As for Mick betraying Lindsey, I think that's kind of a strong word. Doesn't Mick have a history of saying one thing and then changing his mind? He said he was all for the double CD until Carl Stubner changed his mind. I think we are all aware that Mick isn't the savviest business person.

I am also feeling that it's plain wrong to label Lindsey a victim of Mick and Stevie. He's a grown man with his own opinions. I agree with Johnny Stew, the other three band members are entitled to their own opinions. Being in a band is about compromise. If he truly felt strongly about his finished product, then he could have pulled his songs and gone solo. The fact that he CHOSE not to is telling, IMO.

Patti

Strand, as I mentioned before, The Dance did well because it was familiar music, not because a bunch of teenagers were interested in buying music from old farts.

Stevie seems to want to recreate the 70s glamor. That's pointless and unrealistic. Stick with being an adult band and release the best music you can. Go on tour and make your money that way.

And guess what? That's precisely what happened. If they had only envisioned this reality a little better, they might have gotten rid of a couple of dogs that show up on the album.

Where do people get this idea? Most wildly successful bands have one leader. And the exceptions are very few. Compromise does not good music make. Period.

I agree they need to move on and I think they have. SN will never get rid of her Dickensian schitck. By the same token, LB will never get rid of his tortured artist driving a Benz in the big house on the hill schtick. Its who they are :laugh:

I seem to remember, but am too lazy to check :laugh: , that The Dance sold very well due in large part to FM reaching, albeit through familiar old stuff, the younger audience SN was talking about. More than one article from that period mentions this. They were like FM connects with kids of their olderer fans or something like that. In any event, I am glad The Dance did as well as it did, because we get SYW and TISL essesntially from the wave of commercial success of The Dance.

Now - let's get them back in the studio!!!! :cool:

Just to clarify, Carne, I wasn't referring to compromise in the music. I was referring to compromise of the business decisions. And deciding whether or not to realse a single CD or a double CD was a business decision.

Back in the 70's I think one could consider that FM WAS wildly successful. Don't you? And I don't see where anyone was considered the "one leader".

Patti

I believe that Lindsey takes raw material and molds it.. HOWEVER I do NOT believe that he'd be anymore worthwhile on his own anymore so then everyone else. There's times when you have to weigh critical triumph under commercial success, and I say, yet again, his artistic priority was given the back seat because of the smack in the face by reality. I love this man to death. His gift, his vision, but he even takes business into consideration. And any good 'leader' would. Which he is not. They all have their place.:rolleyes:

I think we will but heads on that postulate forever :laugh:

Perhaps common ground is here - I do not view it as a compromise. I view it as LB wearing the producer's hat listening to SN's vision for her music, which he does very, very well!!!!

:cool:

I'm not sure why people seem so surprised that Lindsey is driving a Mercedes. What should he drive, a Corolla? Not that there's anything wrong with Corollas, but people [should] live within their means. And clearly he can afford a big-bad Mercedes. And by the way, that Mercedes looked like it was at least four years old. So it's not like he's not frugal in a sense. ;)

Hahahaha
 

Good point :laugh: It will always be the 'poor, starving' artist in him, one way or the other,won't it?;)

Since when?:laugh:

hell, I wanna see the friggin' doc. Can't play with you guys and gals without seeing it.

gerald

Re: Hahahaha
 

Why would you bregrudge the man the Mercedes? Gee, aren't you indirectly putting the money in his pocket? What should he do with it?

Re: Re: Hahahaha
 

*Tries to keep from cracking up* True, but what about a nice Porsche or JAG for that matter? (Edit 2 add-From THIS year...lol) Afterall, you said it yourself, whether or not I'm indirectly providing the money for the man is irrelevant, if he has the means.. to LIVE within the means?:laugh:

This was shot three years ago :shrug: So, it probably was new then :laugh:

Believe me, I do not belittle LB for spending the cash he's got. I say more power to him and wish he all the best in it!!!!!! I am just pointing out that he loves to play the tortured artist who gives into the music industry, but he appears to like the rewards of what he seems to think of as giving in. In other words, LB appears to like fame and the money that comes with it, but at the same time he initially appears to want to make anything but commercial music which is how he got what he has and how he is able to continue to live and record in high style, etc. Thus, the conundrum of LB :laugh: What was it SN said when they started out about the high life "its a high price for your luxury." :cool:

^ He's a contradiction that way, (well in many ways actually :rolleyes: ) but we wouldn't love him otherwise:p

Re: Re: Re: Hahahaha
 

Crack yourself up all you want. I think this car discussion is silly. I see it gained a lot of momentum in the Rumours board as well. I don't see why we should expect him not to drive a nice car.

It's just silly.

I really have no idea how Lindsey feels about cars. If he were a car guy, I bet he'd be driving anything but the biggest, baddest Mercedes there is. THose things are about as fun to drive as freakin tanks. It's obviously a family car for him.

Besides, why should the tortured artist role be exclusive of driving a nice car? When I think tortured artist, I think inner demons. It's not necessarily about what material things you possess. Gee, you don't think Curt Cobain could have afforded a Mercedes? (I have no idea what the man drove.) Sylvia Path came from a well-to-do family.

Again, this is a silly discussion.

And yet, you keep biting at the discussion. :laugh: You wouldn't play if you weren't interested...you're giving into the irony and your personal sense of sarcasm, silly or not ;)

Well, I didn't say I don't enjoy a silly discussion now and then... Just look at my record on these boards. ;) :laugh:

Oh come on :laugh:

You know I am not harping on his car, his house, or anything like that. I think if he wants, he can have ten of the nicest there are and I will shout out three cheers for him :laugh:

I am solely talking about LB constantly saying for like 30 years that he does not want to be a commercial artist or at least that he never wants to release "commercial" work and its always FM or someone else that makes him. Similarly, he also claims not to care about the money, but he enjoys the money (who wouldn't :cool: ) AND his willingness to compromise for the last 30 or so years into commercial recordings is what keeps him in such luxuries :laugh: Again, I am not faulting him for any of these things. I am just saying after 30 years and probably at least as many millions of $$$ if not more, LB clearly does not have to sell out to commercialism in his own head. He could make all the records he wants and release them on the net. Yet, he does not. He continues to "sell out" to the commerical side. This makes me think that although LB clearly is a brilliant artist, he really does not mind the commerical side too much as it has afforded and continues to afford him a great lifestyle that he worked very hard for.

My dad owns a Mercedes and has 1/200th of LB's wealth
 

That Mercedes represents about 45 minutes of one concert that LB has performed in over his lifetime. My Honda represents about about 1/4 of my yearly salary. So I wouldn't say LB is living lavishly by the stupid Mercedes he drives. This conversation if pathetic

*Smirks and looks up at Jeffs* So you're not Privvy to some good old fashioned banter on the subject...though you just proved yourself wrong :laugh: with all due respect... if you are serious about the 'pathetic' what's up your ass?:D *IS pathetic I believe you were saying.. not 'if', panties in a twist and all or are you just freaudianly calling the convo into question and/ or questioning your ability to call said convo into question ;)

Liddy Buck Trying To Rule!!!
 

:wavey: You guys are good! Lots of excellent points
were made all around! Lindsey drove up in a Gold
Land Rover when Jessica met him at... That House
on the Hill...now bulldozed to build for their Kids!;)
One does need a safe Mercedes for the kiddo's!:]Sky:)


P.S. Remember him pointing where the new high-tech
Recording Studio will be for the next :confused:F Mac Album!:eek:
Iam remembering Rock and Rollers love to fight it out!
Maybe I better watch the video again and rethink it all!;)

I don't think that's quite what he's said for 30 years. He's been of the mindset for many years that he doesn't want to release commercial work solely for the sake of having it sell well. I think he's pretty aware that commerciality is a selling point to a broader audience, but as compared to the other members of the band, he's less willing to take the music in a totally commercial direction if he'd really like it to sound different.

That whole segment of the documentary was kind of interesting. Mick made a good point. Lindsey's never going to be in a two-bedroom. On the other hand, neither is anybody in the band. I suspect they all have a lot of money and are entirely comfortable. As a band, if they aren't in a position to make some decisions more for the music and less for the business at this point, who is?

I can see where both men were coming from and why they will never quite see eye to eye. I think Lindsey and Mick have been having some form of this same discussion for 25 years and will continue to have it forever, hehe. :laugh:

I point to piece of evidence #1 ;):

Rolling Stone, 1982

....To most of this band, chart position and sales figures mean a lot. "The only yardsticks you have are Billboard, Cashbox, and Radio & Records," said John McVie firmly.

"You also have what's in here as a yardstick," said Buckingham, slapping his chest. "You can't let that other stuff be your motivation for making albums." He was adamant; just because Mirage hit number one doesn't make it any more of a success in his book: "No, no, no. Not to me. You've got reviews, you've got other things."

Even so, it doesn't seem that Fleetwood Mac has to worry. Even the expensive, confusing Tusk was a financial success, suggesting that it is possible to challenge pop audiences without losing them if you have the right name and track record. But if you want to shake things up, Buckingham has learned, you've got to be ready to take some abuse.

"Even in the band, I remember getting flak afterward for having done Tusk," he said. "I remember Mick saying, 'I think you went too far.'"

"Well, I think you did," said Fleetwood. "As far as the presentation of your songs, a lot of them never got played on the radio."

"Well, but so what?"

Mick sighed. "Yeah, I know, but..."

"My songs aren't getting played on this album either!"

As John and Christine laughed uproariously, Fleetwood protested. "You know what I meant."

Lindsey forged on. "You can't put the Clash up against Olivia Newton-John and expect the Clash to get the airplay."

"I know, but..." Mick trailed off.

"I know," muttered Lindsey. He then stopped himself short. "My God, what is this - a therapy session?"

John McVie laughed heartily. "Sounds good to me."

LOL!!
 

Thanks for posting that stuff Les! LOL

I just wanted to say... I think Lindsey was ahead of his time in terms of knowing that being #1 means nada really. I mean, there's so much music that's been #1 over the years, but it wasn't necessarily the best music ever. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good stuff.

LOL - things sure have not changed much in 22 or so years!!!! :laugh:

Thanks for quoting that article!!!!

It's apparent that we didn't quite get the full story there, but I agree that from the looks of it, Mick could have handled his change of heart in a better fashion.
We didn't get to hear that phone call though, so we have no idea how Mick might have explained it to Lindsey.
For all we know, Mick might have explained it to him exactly the way he explained it to the cameras, but Lindsey might have still felt that Mick was going back on his word.

But who knows?I did get a chuckle out of Stevie discussing who's most likely to buy an album these days, but she's not entirely wrong either. My 11 year old cousin and my 14 year old cousin buy far more CDs than I do, and I'm "only" 31.
However, we're talking about Fleetwood Mac here, and their audience is always going to be somewhat more older-skewing.

Mind you, I would have LOVED to have had a double album in my greedy little hands, but Stevie made very good points about the men in the band... who have families they need to support... taking a hit if a double-album didn't sell well.
And, again, once Warner Bros. came back to them and said they could keep the price down, Stevie was on board with the idea.

As for Lindsey's comment about the tour... I didn't get the sense that Stevie said anything about pulling out. I took it to be Lindsey re-thinking the scenarios that he had planned out in order for this to work for him financially, and realizing that if just one thing goes wrong... Stevie wanting to stop touring after 40 dates, for instance... and the tour doesn't run for as long as he needed it to, then he'd be up a creek.
Plus, we know Stevie was having health problems throughout the beginning of this tour, and I'm sure Lindsey was very aware of that, and the problems it could cause.Stevie has worked with Chris Lord-Alge on MANY occasions, so she's probably a lot more comfortable telling him what she expects and wants... which is why she seemed more critical of his mix, as opposed to the mix done by the guy she wasn't familiar with.

If she had her druthers, I still bet she would have went with Lord-Alge, rather than Needham. I have a feeling the "Chris is really busy, so we should go with Mark" thing was just an excuse to smooth things over.
But that's just my perception of it.

You know, I have to wonder if Lindsey really did do what best served the songs... I mean, even you have criticized the mix on this album as being uneven and sloppy in places.
Did he really do what was best for the songs, or is it that Lindsey had his heart settled on Needham, and refused to see anyone else as a possibility?
"Destiny Rules" (the only track Lord-Alge mixed) is one of the best sounding songs on the album, sonically, and Lord-Alge's radio mix for "Say You Will" blows Needham's mix out of the water.

Stevie explained her qualms about Needham's mixes, not as them lacking commercial appeal, but rather that they left her feeling cold. She said that she wants to feel as warm about the songs as she did when she was first sitting at the piano writing them. Her desire to use Lord-Alge seemed to have nothing to do with making the album sound more commercial, and everything to do with making the album sound as best it could.

And I don't think that Stevie has less integrity than Lindsey, just because she wants to sell a decent amount of albums.
Lindsey must want that too, in his heart of hearts, or he would have just released 'Gift of Screws' as it was, and let those 300,000 people buy it.

We can't have our cake and eat it too. If one wants to do everything their way, and never compromise their "artistic integrity," then they can go do that... but they better not expect to make a lot of money.
If, however, one wants to make a lot of money, so they can live beyond comfortably, and have an expensive car, and buy beautiful things for their wife, then they have to be willing to make some business-minded compromises.

And all of those bands eventually break up, because the other members get sick of kow-towing to one guy's know-it-all ways. ;)

I don't think there was a phone call. That was sort of the point of Lindsey's distress. Lindsey said Mick was just treating the change of heart rather lightly, like, "Oh yeah, forgot to call you" when obvously Lindsey thought it was a bigger deal than that and something he should have mentioned.

Lindsey didn't veto Chris. The footage didn't show him sitting in Chris' studio criticizing Chris' work. Stevie did that. Lindsey said it was her decision to make. She made it. Just as Lindsey had to take into account the finances of the situation, Stevie had to take into account the timeframe of the mixing. She made a choice.

Right.

Johnny, I have criticized the mix, yes. But judging from what I have heard of the "singles," I don't know that I would have liked Chris' stuff better. Perhaps I would.

Probably at the core of my criticism is the disjointed feel of the album. And while the mix on a couple of songs I think could have been better (for instance, harmony vocals are too loud on Peacekeeper) my main issue is not the mix.

My mistake... I had forgotten his wording, and I was thinking he said that Mick called him and just casually said, "oh, i changed my mind."

Sorry for the mistake. :)No, Lindsey didn't veto Chris, but he sure didn't seem willing to look at him as a possibility either, did he?
The only reason Lord-Alge was even in the equation was because Stevie wanted him, and Lindsey seemed to only begrudgingly consider him. Right from the outset, he was already listing all the reasons why he didn't want Chris... and from the footage we saw, it seems his mind was made up, with no thought to actually considering the guy a viable choice for mixer.

Again, Stevie was criticizing Lord-Alge's mix, but I still feel it's because she's comfortable with him and feels she can make the suggestions she wants without ruffling feathers.
Stevie's been working with Lord-Alge for years, so obviously she likes his work.

At any rate, I'm not trying to point fingers at Lindsey or blame him for something that doesn't even require blame.
I just completely disagree with the whole "Lindsey has artistic integrity, while Stevie just wants to sell albums" arguments.

Clearly, Chris wasn't Lindsey's first choice. (I believe Lindsey has also worked with Chris in the past as well). Nevertheless, he proved himself willing to look at Chris by, in fact, being willing to look at Chris. Hehe. They did send songs to Chris and Chris did try his hand at them. That seems willing to me.

I disagree. I think he knew Stevie wanted Chris to be a viable candidate and so he put his qualms aside and said it was up to Stevie to decide.

Oh, okay, I kind of thought you were. ;) Just joking with you JS. :D

:)

Obviously he let Stevie have the opportunity to see what Chris could do with the mixes... that can't be argued.
But I still felt she was more willing to consider Needham (as long as she could also see what Lord-Alge might do), than Lindsey was to consider Lord-Alge.

At any rate, it's all water under the bridge.
Over a year later, after all of the arguments and bickering, they're still on the road and adding additional dates every time we turn around... so they're obviously pleased with the final results, and are getting along well enough to keep this going. :)

And I should add, that the only reason i replied to the thread at all, was because of the issue of Stevie & Mick being perceived as ruling the proceedings, and making poor Lindsey do their bidding. Which I think it's a totally off-base opinion, and I wanted to comment on it. My personal opinion is that they were all right at various times, and wrong at various times... but they should each be mindful of the others' opinions, and willing to make compromises happily, not just begrudgingly. :)