None of them vary to any great degree on this issue.:(

This is America! There's got to be a better alternative!:laugh:

ITA - esp. the Democrats. The Democrats must win New York, which means they must win the Jewish vote. Therefore, they are never going to piss the Jewish vote off by making Isreal do something positive. Instead, we have these accords and summits which, so far, have been mostly iffeffective in acheiving any lasting peace.

You said sister. I think maybe they could just rely on the old system. I mean it has worked fairly well for about 200 years. Moreover, none of these new tactics would have made the govt. realize what it had in the pre 9/11 evidence, albeit the consolidation of the information gathering should be a big step forward.

Yes.

Rob:cool:

Smart ass! :laugh:

Who me??!?! :wavey:

Rob:cool:

Apparently the Justice Department can. They are drafting Domestic Security Enhancement Act AKA Patriot Act II.

Here are the highlights:

The act allows the government to:

* Conduct domestic wiretapping without court order for 15 days following a congressional authorization of use of force or an attack on the United States.

* Secretly detain citizens.

* Deport any alien, including green-card holders, who are convicted of drug possession or an aggravated felony.

* Access a citizen's credit reports without a subpoena.

* Abolish federal court "consent decrees" that limit police surveillance of non-criminal organizations and public events.

* Criminalize the use of encryption software in the commission or planning of a felony.

* Apply strict gag rules to those subpoenaed by a grand jury.

* Collect DNA from suspected terrorists and indeed from any individual whose DNA might assist terror investigations.

* Extend authorization periods for secret wiretaps and Internet surveillance.

* Ease restrictions on the use of secret evidence.

For the full article you can go here:

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0...7636%2C00.html

The vast majority of those are so "Big Brother" it is terrifying, esp. when you consider that history demonstrates "they" will stretch the definition of suspected terrorist or terrorist activities far beyond your basic plane hijacker. :nod:

I am getting Dissention, Goldie, and Carne one for Christmas

http://oas.foxnews.com/RealMedia/ads...66653664616330

That and a box of darts :cool: :wavey:

Have a Merry Christmas my Liberal and Conservative\Fleetwood Mac friends!

:D

Rob:cool:

Oh my God! It actually exists! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Thanks, Strand. Your generosity is unmatched. Hey, shouldn't you be in bed with a major hangover right now?

I said I wanted something sparkly.:mad:

Happy holidays!:wavey:

Uh...
 

it seems us "independents" are always getting left out, Even during the holidays!!! :laugh:


Brian j.