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jwd 05-17-2018 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1228261)
The CBS debacle clearly showed how unhappy she was. At this point, I am sure contracts are done....at least for the US leg. But, perhaps there are out clauses baked in there. Another poster (Elle I think--if I am wrong, apologies) mentioned in another threat, perhaps John/Chris bail after the US leg. I do find it curious at this point, we don't have any international dates yet--at least London-half the band is British :)
I would love it if it were true....so many folks thought she sucked up the Lindsey situation because she couldn't possibly bail on them now....good on her if she did/is/threatening too.
I am sure is she enjoying playing with Neil... He's a talented musician. That said, I am sure after 16 years, she came back to play with Mick, John, Stevie and Lindsey....and if she's not, well.....
Lastly, if this is true, Lindsey was spot on.....they destroyed the legacy (I think they did anyway, but I appreciate why other posters/fans disagree)

So true. Run Christine, run!

Iamwilliame 05-17-2018 08:19 PM

We are well on our way to seeing a Fleetwood Mac with only Stevie and Mick remaining from the Rumours lineup. They will run the brand into the ground and milk every penny they can get from it as long as they can. I fully expect John and Chris to leave after this tour. The magic is gone. FM will be on a double bill tour with remnants of another fractured classic rock act within the next few years.

Storms123 05-17-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamwilliame (Post 1228267)
We are well on our way to seeing a Fleetwood Mac with only Stevie and Mick remaining from the Rumours lineup. They will run the brand into the ground and milk every penny they can get from it as long as they can. I fully expect John and Chris to leave after this tour. The magic is gone. FM will be on a double bill tour with remnants of another fractured classic rock act within the next few years.

Stevie could be the next lead singer of Journey and headline Classic East/West 2019! LOL

jwd 05-17-2018 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamwilliame (Post 1228267)
We are well on our way to seeing a Fleetwood Mac with only Stevie and Mick remaining from the Rumours lineup. They will run the brand into the ground and milk every penny they can get from it as long as they can. I fully expect John and Chris to leave after this tour. The magic is gone. FM will be on a double bill tour with remnants of another fractured classic rock act within the next few years.


Mick and Stevie deserve each other. Nice legacy you two.

Matt Lucas 05-17-2018 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228259)
Last I heard, she was enjoying working with Finn.

Stevie or Christine?

Either way, what’s the source of that news? I’m excited to hear it, but I just need more details.

Matt

jwd 05-17-2018 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Storms123 (Post 1228270)
Stevie could be the next lead singer of Journey and headline Classic East/West 2019! LOL

NO WAY! Girl has never sung that high! ;)

dreamsunwind 05-17-2018 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Lucas (Post 1228276)
Stevie or Christine?

Either way, what’s the source of that news? I’m excited to hear it, but I just need more details.

Matt

Christine. I doubt that the "she's out" is true at all, but I think it's very possible that she was never thrilled about the situation to begin with and has probably seen all the backlash which might gradually be changing her position.

dreamsunwind 05-17-2018 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Iamwilliame (Post 1228267)
We are well on our way to seeing a Fleetwood Mac with only Stevie and Mick remaining from the Rumours lineup. They will run the brand into the ground and milk every penny they can get from it as long as they can. I fully expect John and Chris to leave after this tour. The magic is gone. FM will be on a double bill tour with remnants of another fractured classic rock act within the next few years.

I 100% agree with this. I don't think new music is happening. When would they even do it? I don't think there will be any more tours with this 'lineup' either. After the last tour John basically said he's not gonna keep doing this for much longer. Stevie will have whatever solo trek she'll do next that will, as per usual, take roughly 2 years. And I read that Mike Campbell has plans to record or tour or both with his other band for right after this tour. And sorry, but nobody cares about Neil Finn. These people are all nearly 70 or already in their 70s. Who knows what their health will even be like in a few years, or if they'll all still be alive.
IMO this tour is the end of Fleetwood Mac and it's just awful how they ruined their whole legacy at this time. Once the drama started, they should've made the decision to disband after MusiCares. It would have been going out on a high point.

jwd 05-17-2018 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228281)
I 100% agree with this. I don't think new music is happening. When would they even do it? I don't think there will be any more tours with this 'lineup' either. After the last tour John basically said he's not gonna keep doing this for much longer. Stevie will have whatever solo trek she'll do next that will, as per usual, take roughly 2 years. And I read that Mike Campbell has plans to record or tour or both with his other band for right after this tour. And sorry, but nobody cares about Neil Finn. These people are all nearly 70 or already in their 70s. Who knows what their health will even be like in a few years, or if they'll all still be alive.
IMO this tour is the end of Fleetwood Mac and it's just awful how they ruined their whole legacy at this time. Once the drama started, they should've made the decision to disband after MusiCares. It would have been going out on a high point.

I agree. This is becoming an awful end to their legacy.

Storms123 05-17-2018 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228281)
I 100% agree with this. I don't think new music is happening. When would they even do it? I don't think there will be any more tours with this 'lineup' either. After the last tour John basically said he's not gonna keep doing this for much longer. Stevie will have whatever solo trek she'll do next that will, as per usual, take roughly 2 years. And I read that Mike Campbell has plans to record or tour or both with his other band for right after this tour. And sorry, but nobody cares about Neil Finn. These people are all nearly 70 or already in their 70s. Who knows what their health will even be like in a few years, or if they'll all still be alive.
IMO this tour is the end of Fleetwood Mac and it's just awful how they ruined their whole legacy at this time. Once the drama started, they should've made the decision to disband after MusiCares. It would have been going out on a high point.

There is no new music coming out of this bunch....I just don't see it being logical, feasible or remotely possible.

Storms123 05-17-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd (Post 1228277)
NO WAY! Girl has never sung that high! ;)

LOL--you've got a point there!

SteveMacD 05-17-2018 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228281)
After the last tour John basically said he's not gonna keep doing this for much longer.

He was talking about tours of that magnitude, not touring in general.

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Stevie will have whatever solo trek she'll do next that will, as per usual, take roughly 2 years.
That’s what remains to be seen, IMO. I could just as easily see things going well and clicking, inspiring Stevie to record with the band. With Lindsey out and Mike in, I think there’s a different approach to recording that might be more appealing to Stevie.

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And I read that Mike Campbell has plans to record or tour or both with his other band for right after this tour.
That album is already done. It took eight days to record. Albums don’t have to take a year to make, hence my above comment. If they approach an album with that spirit, then I think there’s a good possibility of new music.

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And sorry, but nobody cares about Neil Finn.
Not at all true. In certain circles, especially the indie crowd, he was probably the most compelling part of the story.

SteveMacD 05-17-2018 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd (Post 1228277)
NO WAY! Girl has never sung that high! ;)

POST OF THE DAY!!!!:laugh:

jwd 05-17-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228294)
POST OF THE DAY!!!!:laugh:

:laugh: I knew we'd agree sooner or later! Cheers bro!

jwd 05-17-2018 10:17 PM


dreamsunwind 05-17-2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228293)
He was talking about tours of that magnitude, not touring in general.



That’s what remains to be seen, IMO. I could just as easily see things going well and clicking, inspiring Stevie to record with the band. With Lindsey out and Mike in, I think there’s a different approach to recording that might be more appealing to Stevie.



That album is already done. It took eight days to record. Albums don’t have to take a year to make, hence my above comment. If they approach an album with that spirit, then I think there’s a good possibility of new music.



Not at all true. In certain circles, especially the indie crowd, he was probably the most compelling part of the story.


Lol you sure love making posts like these don't you. I understand the temptation, but you should know that it is possible to not construct a thesis outline arguing with every single post you disagree with. But if you insist!
#1. Well Fleetwood Mac goes on tours of that magnitude lol. If John is gonna tour as a Fleetwood Mac member, he's gonna go a giant tour. They've pretty much always been allergic to the entire concept of small/lowkey tours, as would be expected from a big name band.
#2. Whether she wants to record with the band or not, Stevie will never give up her solo projects and I personally believe that she values them over FM regardless of who is in the band. I 100% believe that nothing about this switch-up will deter her from her typical solo plans.
#3. I never said that I knew if/when/how the album was coming along. If it was done that quickly that's wonderful for them. They're gonna go and release it and do shows supporting it. And the odds of a Fleetwood Mac record going that quickly are low, Lindsey or not. Stevie's own IYD album that she had the time of her life making took a full year. And then her 24KG album, entirely just re-recorded old demos, was made in a 2 week time crunch that, as per her press for the album, she emphasized was a big deal and that she was not too happy about. If you think they're gonna make new music, that's great! I personally don't! Who knows what'll happen!
#4. Okay let me revise that. 90% of the typical Fleetwood Mac concert ticket-buying public does not care about Neil Finn.

SteveMacD 05-18-2018 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228298)
Lol you sure love making posts like these don't you. I understand the temptation, but you should know that it is possible to not construct a thesis outline arguing with every single post you disagree with. But if you insist!

Eh, it keeps my mind from going completely insane while I’m out of commission during my treatments.

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#1. Well Fleetwood Mac goes on tours of that magnitude lol. If John is gonna tour as a Fleetwood Mac member, he's gonna go a giant tour. They've pretty much always been allergic to the entire concept of small/lowkey tours, as would be expected from a big name band.
Bands also slow down. Maybe do a 90 date tour instead of 180…

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#2. Whether she wants to record with the band or not, Stevie will never give up her solo projects and I personally believe that she values them over FM regardless of who is in the band. I 100% believe that nothing about this switch-up will deter her from her typical solo plans.
Except with Tom dead, Lindsey out, and Mike in Fleetwood Mac, I could see that equation changing, depending on how the tour goes. She’ll definitely do more solo dates, I’m not arguing that point. But, I don’t know that her solo tour will have an impact on a new Fleetwood Mac album, if that’s even a probability. If anything, I could see her being more eager to do a FM album in the wake of LBCM. ”Don’t blame it on me…”

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#3. I never said that I knew if/when/how the album was coming along. If it was done that quickly that's wonderful for them. They're gonna go and release it and do shows supporting it.
I only found that out on that Norman’s guitar video. I get the vibe that the Dirty Knobs are Mike’s equivalent to the Mick Fleetwood BluesBand. It’s there, it’s an outlet, but the primary gig is Fleetwood Mac.

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And the odds of a Fleetwood Mac record going that quickly are low, Lindsey or not. Stevie's own IYD album that she had the time of her life making took a full year. And then her 24KG album, entirely just re-recorded old demos, was made in a 2 week time crunch that, as per her press for the album, she emphasized was a big deal and that she was not too happy about.
I doubt it would be weeks, but it doesn’t have to take a year, either. There’s a balance. It’s possible to make a good album without trying to make the next “Pet Sounds.”

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If you think they're gonna make new music, that's great! I personally don't! Who knows what'll happen!
I’m 50/50. It’s now possible, which it wasn’t before, but the probability is what remains to be seen. They certainly have the talent to make a good album, but they also have the history of blowing opportunities.

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#4. Okay let me revise that. 90% of the typical Fleetwood Mac concert ticket-buying public does not care about Neil Finn
Neil has his own fan base and is a critic’s darling. But, really, they’re banking on Petty fans looking for some type of connection to Tom. While maybe not perfect, Mike and Stevie together in a band is something they hope TPATH fans can latch on to. Brilliant move from a business perspective.

MoonSister75 05-18-2018 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1228239)
I think that’s part of it. I think all her life choices are finally catching up with her. She’s older. She’s without “love”. She’s childless. She has lost her creative spark. She lost Tom Petty. She sees Linz happy and with kids and more creative than she’s ever been. She sees that she was wrong about the album and people did buy it. And knows more would have bought it under Fleetwood Mac name. I’m sure LB was sure to point that out at the Classics and Music Cares. She was tired of being held to any recording and wanted to be “happy” which in her case is just Denial about where she ended up in life. Creatively and figurativly dried out husk of her former self. Sad.


It's funny how we all perceive things so differently :laugh:

From the recent footage of her, I see Stevie as a strong, balanced, focused individual who is dealing very well with older life, and is in a good place within herself. Determined to make the most of her time left on this planet.

She still loves performing, and who knows she may yet produce more music, we shall see.

BlanketMan 05-18-2018 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228298)
#4. Okay let me revise that. 90% of the typical Fleetwood Mac concert ticket-buying public does not care about Neil Finn.

It's a pet peeve of mine when people throw out made-up numbers like this based on nothing factual whatsoever.

I've been an FM fan since the 70s, and a Finn fan since True Colours came out in 1980. I would concede that I'm almost certainly in the minority of the "FM concert ticket-buying public," but do we really only make up 10% of the Mac fanbase? Nah, not buying that.

dreamsunwind 05-18-2018 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlanketMan (Post 1228317)
It's a pet peeve of mine when people throw out made-up numbers like this based on nothing factual whatsoever.

I've been an FM fan since the 70s, and a Finn fan since True Colours came out in 1980. I would concede that I'm almost certainly in the minority of the "FM concert ticket-buying public," but do we really only make up 10% of the Mac fanbase? Nah, not buying that.

That's great for you but it's not exactly a secret that the overwhelming majority of ticket-buyers at a Mac concert are people who like Dreams, GYOW, etc and want to see at least what mostly resembles Fleetwood Mac (basically as long as Stevie is there) play those songs. I've read about on other tours when songs like Say Goodbye were played, it seemed as if half the crowd didn't know the lyrics/looked bored. Those people don't even know who Peter Green is, Neil Finn certainly isn't going to be on their radar. FWIW, I doubt they'll care much about Mike Campbell either unless they're fans of TPATH, but Neil Finn just isn't that well known to most people if they don't follow that specific circle of music he's in.

dreamsunwind 05-18-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228305)
Eh, it keeps my mind from going completely insane while I’m out of commission during my treatments.

I am sorry you're going through that.

jwd 05-18-2018 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dreamsunwind (Post 1228334)
I am sorry you're going through that.

I'll second that. I wish you well.

bwboy 05-18-2018 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228305)
Eh, it keeps my mind from going completely insane while I’m out of commission during my treatments.

You got this, SteveMacD!

The Catdancer 05-19-2018 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1228305)
Eh, it keeps my mind from going completely insane while I’m out of commission during my treatments.

I'm sorry to hear that. Be strong!!!

SteveMacD 05-20-2018 06:47 PM

Thanks everyone!

elle 05-12-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1227729)
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/n...ective-w520246

Lindsey Buckingham on Fleetwood Mac Firing: 'They'd Lost Their Perspective'

"This was not something that was really my doing or my choice," guitarist says of exit from band

Lindsey Buckingham spoke about his firing from Fleetwood Mac for the first time when the guitarist performed Friday night at a California fundraiser.

Larry Marano/REX/Shutterstock
By Daniel Kreps

Lindsey Buckingham spoke about his firing from Fleetwood Mac for the first time when the guitarist performed Friday night at a California campaign fundraiser.

"It's been an interesting time on a lot of levels," Buckingham said at the fundraiser supporting Democratic congressional candidate Mike Levin (via Jeremy Roberts).

"For me, personally, probably some of you know that for the last three months I have sadly taken leave of my band of 43 years, Fleetwood Mac. This was not something that was really my doing or my choice."

"I think what you would say is that there were factions within the band that had lost their perspective," Buckingham continued. "The point is that they'd lost their perspective. What that did was to harm – and this is the only thing I'm really sad about, the rest of it becomes an opportunity – it harmed the 43-year legacy that we had worked so hard to build, and that legacy was really about rising above difficulties in order to fulfill one's higher truth and one's higher destiny."

Buckingham, who weaved his remarks about the Fleetwood Mac firing into a speech supporting Levin, remained diplomatic about the rift with his now-former bandmates, even sidestepping an audience member who yelled "**** Stevie Nicks."

The brief comments were Buckingham's first on the matter since Fleetwood Mac announced in April that the band recruited the Heartbreakers' Mike Campbell and Crowded House's Neil Finn to replace Buckingham, who reportedly didn't want to embark on a Mac tour this year.

"Words like 'fired' are ugly references as far as I'm concerned," Mick Fleetwood told Rolling Stone in April. "Not to hedge around, but we arrived at the impasse of hitting a brick wall. This was not a happy situation for us in terms of the logistics of a functioning band. To that purpose, we made a decision that we could not go on with him. Majority rules in term of what we need to do as a band and go forward."

Watch Buckingham's comments on the Fleetwood Mac situation below:


it's been exactly a year since this event. so many highs and lows in this year.

HomerMcvie 05-12-2019 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1252622)
it's been exactly a year since this event. so many highs and lows in this year.

There were highs???

elle 05-12-2019 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1252623)
There were highs???

LB shows last fall were huge highs.

HomerMcvie 05-13-2019 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1252624)
LB shows last fall were huge highs.

I unfortunately think that everything pales in comparison to his heart attack, and equally, to that bitter old hag kicking him out of the band, without which she'd still be a f*cking waitress, were it not for him.

sodascouts 05-13-2019 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1252624)
LB shows last fall were huge highs.

Yes, but we would have had those anyway.

Nothing will make up for losing the Rumours 5. :(

And now Lindsey may never sing again!

elle 05-13-2019 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1252625)
I unfortunately think that everything pales in comparison to his heart attack, and equally, to that bitter old hag kicking him out of the band, without which she'd still be a f*cking waitress, were it not for him.

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Originally Posted by sodascouts (Post 1252630)
Yes, but we would have had those anyway.

Nothing will make up for losing the Rumours 5. :(

And now Lindsey may never sing again!

lol guys, i'm trying to find something positive here! those shows last fall were amazing.

but i basically agree with everything you said Nancy. we would have had those solo shows last fall, in between Mac shows, anyway, maybe even with Christine dropping in, and possibility of European and Aus / NZ fans to experience Lindsey solo.

and the heart attack puts a huge damper on Lindsey's "i'm fine" spin last fall, considering we now know the whole thing was obviously eating him inside all that time.

michelej1 05-16-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1252631)

and the heart attack puts a huge damper on Lindsey's "i'm fine" spin last fall, considering we now know the whole thing was obviously eating him inside all that time.

When the last insult comes down from your friends
Hoping all your blind ambition will fall
And the love you know has come to an end
And the silence that answers your call
Save me
Well, it's gone too far
It's gone too far

jbrownsjr 05-16-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1252624)
LB shows last fall were huge highs.

Lindsey helped me put my relationship back together. Well, sort of. :xoxo:

jbrownsjr 05-16-2019 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1252680)
When the last insult comes down from your friends
Hoping all your blind ambition will fall
And the love you know has come to an end
And the silence that answers your call
Save me
Well, it's gone too far
It's gone too far

toooooo far gone to turn around

michelej1 05-16-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1252690)
toooooo far gone to turn around

The silence that answers your call reminded me too much of the Macsters who wouldn't even speak to Lindsey.

By the way, one of my favorite Mac reviews said that when Chris and Lindsey duet, she pleads and croons while he demands and howls like a wolf. I love that dichotomy.

And on Too Far Gone, I just get such a kick out of the way he says "GONE." She's contemplating all the why nots and he punctuates "gone," the time for hesitation being over.

HomerMcvie 05-16-2019 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1252694)
The silence that answers your call reminded me too much of the Macsters who wouldn't even speak to Lindsey.

By the way, one of my favorite Mac reviews said that when Chris and Lindsey duet, she pleads and croons while he demands and howls like a wolf. I love that dichotomy.

And on Too Far Gone, I just get such a kick out of the way he says "GONE." She's contemplating all the why nots and he punctuates "gone," the time for hesitation being over.

A**holes.

Their duets were always my favorite songs! Think About Me, Hold Me!

He's the only musical genius among them. He sees things that "the normal musician" just doesn't. The drum breaks in Gone are sheer genius.

FM died, the day they fired him.


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