Was there something about Kristen Buckingham turning up at one of the shows and she found it too hard to perform with her there, with his kids?

The police raided Studio 54 & busted up cocaine parties on what seemed a regular basis back around 1978-1980. Cocaine was widely regarded as a dangerous, illegal drug, even then.
I've never in my life met a person who didn't have difficult times & emotional struggles to contend with. I've always wondered why Stevie is singled out for praise on that point.
Stevie fans really ram home that sacrifice angle, too. They talk about "Look what Stevie has given up just to give this precious art to us," & they wail & prostrate themselves before The Sacrifice. I find all that pretty silly.

Yikes! You pull no punches, Dan. Brutal but trenchant!:thumbsup:

I guess standards that I perceive to be widespread. Just like everybody else, I glean intelligence from another person's words & thoughts & the marshalling of mental elements. We do the same thing with George Bush, don't we? We listen to him speechify & we hear his views & both the expression & the content of those views give us a sense of his intelligence. We do this with virtually everyone we hear, know & meet.
Yeah, the inability to read music is a red herring in the argument. It means nothing. Most rock musicians probably don't know how to -- & don't want to -- read staff notation. For the most part, it simply isn't necessary for what they do. I would imagine a good many jazz musicians don't read notation, either, although that might have changed substantially from the old days. Rock & jazz traditionally aren't notational arts: they're improvisatory. Christine & possibly Bob Welch are probably the only two members of the band since the beginning who actually read music.

What is far more germane to the discussion, to me, is that Stevie, having played piano for 35 years or thereabouts, hasn't improved with that particular skill (I base my perception on a comparison of old '70s demos with her at the piano & demos through the decades up to the present). I teach piano, & that's pretty unheard-of to me.

Was Lindsey's little perfect family too difficult for Stevie to cope with?
 

I can think of one right off the top: I freakin LOVE Desert Angel!:eek: :)

I agree, we'll never know. However, I think it's pretty coincidental that she stopped singing it while in Atlanta just after Stella was born and Kristin was hangin' around with the kiddies!

She and Liddy tossed the emotions back & forth on Say Goodbye, and they did that one 'til the end. They claim that the back & forth and emotions on stage are just a "show" - but having been right in front at the stage, I don't think so!!

I agree that towards the end she did get tired and pissy, when I was at Hershey she looked at Liddy with the sadest expression on her face and just stood there and shrugged her shoulders - I've often wondered what that meant.

Just my 2 cents worth

me too.

and I love the wassumattahbaby's in WISYA.

Thank god there's at least someone else out there that like Desert Angel. I dont think theres another Stevie song that the fans have a love/hate relationship like this one is there?

She had gas in Hershey.

Haven't you ever seen the face of someone with gas?

Funny, I didnt smell any farts.:lol:

I was just reading the Lindsey Buckingham entry in Wikipedia(why was I doing that?) and I noticed this. We always have to hear who in pop music does not read music, and who studied opera or had some form of classical training.
Yawn.

Play me some music I like- make me cry - I don't care what you studied, unless I am hiring you as a teacher! Feh.

all I can say is that on the SYW tour here in los angeles, my friends and I sat RIGHT NEXT TO the sound booth...Kristen was sitting there. As all the fans yelled out their numerous and various things regarding stevie and lindsay...yadda..yadda...Kristen looked pissed!! LOL

Also, at the Chumash Casino show in summer of 04 in Santa Barbara, Kristen was off to the right of the stage, holding the baby...watching all the way..humm..lol :lol:

and then there are those rumors that for a while she and Stevie couldn't be in the same limo together...well come on...I would wonder about my man too if he was always around Stevie :rolleyes:

one more...LOL

*I think Stevie's voice was on the road for the better during TOSOTM....I really start loving her voice then...it starts to mature...to have a bit of that smoky sound LOL :p

Ouch...Jaz...

I don't think she really sounds very unlike herself in those whatsamatterbabys in When I See You Again. I've been listening to her since Rhiannon first hit the airwaves (as have many of you, I'm sure), and after years of hearing her voice develop into a different range - it was disheartening to hear those whatsmatters...that way. Even Lindsey has mentioned that she sounded horrible.

Two each his own, I guess. Her fans are the best...good to stick up for her - even when she's not her best.:nod:

Hell, I ADORE Desert Angel. It makes me cry sometimes.

No, but as far as Desert Angel goes, I've talked to some fans that truly HATE that song, which is fine by me cause theyre entitled to their opinion.

I have a chill factor. To me, the test of a great movie, song, poem, whatever is that it gives me chills. Titanic does it, no matter how cheesy I think it is sometimes, I get chills every single time. DA gives me chills every single time. WISYA gives me chills.

I dont really care for much of Rock A Little either. Myabe that's unpopular, maybe not. About the only things I like on it are No Spoken Word, Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You, and Talk To Me.

ooohhh nooo. lol. I love Some Become Strangers and If I Were You too (aside from the singles)!

I'm a freak of nature. The only things Stevie's ever done that I don't like are Cecilia and Starshine. Plain and simple. But that's me.

It's all good man. We all have different opinions. If we all lliked the same stuff what fun would that be? BTW, another thing that surprises me is how low OSOTM is on some people's lists. It's my second favorite album behind Bella Donna.

I think Stevie's smarter than Dubbya. But that's still not saying much is it? :laugh:

I think Stevie plays dumb sometimes, but in reality, and in the words of Judge Judy Sheindlin, I think she's really "one smart cookie." I still don't get your claim of unintelligence, but then again I'm not a prescriptivist when it comes to measuring intellect. I think intelligence comes in all shapes and sizes. Is Picasso any less intelligent than Einstein? Brilliance and intellect are relative, eh?

so true.

as far as OSOTM goes, I agree that it is really a lot better than some people give it credit for. I totally think of it as the "magic" album.

My favs in order are: BD, TWH, RAL, TISL, OSOTM, SA

The only ones I can think of:

1) I wish she'd cut at least some length off her hair
2) While "Seven Wonders" is catchy, I think it's rather pedestrian and I tend to skip it
3) I can't stand "Talk to Me"
4) I hate the Tusk-era birds' nest hairdo (or is that a really an unpopular opinion?)

What a sig picture that is. Gorgeous.

I guess my unpopular opinions would be:

1. I would like her to state her opinion on the Iraq War, while continuing to do her great work for the soldiers. If she's opposed, then she can prove once and for all that you can support the troops and oppose the war.

2. I don't think she is remotely interested in Lindsey these days and I think she has had at least relationship with a woman in the last 15 years.

why thank you. I'm showing a little love for WISYA.

:eek: really? I have never, ever thought that. Not that it's not possible. I would say it happened more like 78ish-82ish, if at all.

I can definitely see her having sex with a woman in the 78-82ish years. I meant an actual relationship in the last 15. More an intuitive feeling than anything else.

ahhh - I see. interesting thought.

I agree, I totally think that. Remember on the Sheryl Crow/Stevie live boot thing from some random bar - they did TFFT, and Love Is - and Stevie was talking about how Sheryl came running up the stairs in her house, blah blah, says: Sheryl wrote this song for me" and then Sheryl says "for you or ABOUT you?" But you can hardly hear that part b/c Stevie is still talking over her.
Anyways. Not that I'm saying,
but lets just say I totally agree and have had that feeling, too.

I admit, I have pondered the idea that maybe Stevie was a lesbian. But I don't think that anymore. I used to think there was something between her and Sheryl.

I have another unpopular opinion. I purchased the Red Rocks DVD and I absolutely hate it! I haven't watched it since.

I really only like her recent performances. Like The Dance DVD, Storytellers, Live in Boston, etc. Maybe because that is when I became a fan and that is the woman I fell in love with. Not the woman on the Red Rocks DVD!

Stevie is definitely more intelligent than Dubbya. He's a lesser primate. He's unreal.
I really have no idea, cliff. I guess in at least one sense they are: "intelligence" is a word like "liberty" & unlike "gravity." The idea of liberty can vary according to context, time, place, era, etc. The slaves of ancient Athens may have felt they had far more liberty than the slaves of Carthage, yet from my vantage point, the Athenians might seem much worse off. Whereas gravity is always 9.8 meters per second per second everywhere on earth (even back in Athens), & always has the same effect on every object on earth (all else being equal). This is my way of saying that "intelligence," like "liberty," is what we say it is; whereas gravity is what it is regardless of what we say it is. So if Sociologists X, Y & Z come along & concoct a concept of "visual intelligence" or of "aural intelligence," bingo! it exists. All they need to do is define it & characterize it. They need to delineate it somehow.

My notion of intelligence is perhaps as shifting as the sands of Egypt & yet as useful to me as the dates of the Saharan palms, from which I can make a really delicious date shake! :blob2: :blob1:

Yes, that question is very important: when did you first really dig Stevie? Other Stevies might seem somehow not "right" to you. The 1987 to the present Stevie has always seemed not "right" to me, almost like a Stevie impersonator.

The word on the street is that Stevie & Jennifer Love Hewitt have -- or had -- something going on.:blob1: :blob2: :blob1:

I'll join you on that one. I dislike it not because I don't like RAL-era Stevie (although not my favorite), but because all the close-ups are totally fake. It's not even the same hairstyle for christsake.

There are great moments, like the craziness with the dove, but I find most of it to be unwatchable.

In my dreams!! I love you for saying that though :thumbsup:
Any speculation on who it might be? Hell maybe Stevie has just had it with men, that would be a nice thought. She hasn't exactly had great luck. If anybody should give women a chance, it shoud be her.

And as much as I would love for it to be true since I am of the female preference myself, I just cannot picture her ever loving a woman in a romantic sense. Fooling around maybe back in the day but having an actual relationship with a woman, I can't see it. I get such a total straight vibe from her although it's funny, a lot of non-hard core fans think she's bi and has relationships with women.

I BEG of you to tell me you are kidding!

Another good example of what one might call an unpopular opinion is that fact that Curtis is so passionate about Street Angel in his love for it. I say good for him! Personally, save for Blue Denim, I'd rather fold laundry, but once again that's just me.