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jmn3 06-09-2018 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1230382)
Same. And the production sounds horribly dated.

I've always loved the guitar at the end, but that's about it.

Have I mentioned that I freaking LOVE me some Sugar Daddy?:wavey::woohoo::wavey::woohoo::wavey:

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1230386)
I love Sugar Daddy but can't stand the dreadful Oh Daddy. IMHO, it's the worst track on Rumours and the one I always skip. It really should have been replaced by Silver Springs, even if they had to cut it down by 30 seconds. :nod:

You two are nuts! :p Who likes Sugar Daddy and hates Oh Daddy?!? I love Oh Daddy...it's, as Lindsey said when he was allowed to be unmuted on Sirius XM, a slow dirge!

Warm Ways is like having a bottle of honey mainlined into your veins. But it has it's moments.

jmn3 06-09-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1230387)
I know. Even though Christine was always my favorite, some of her "sleepers" bore me to tears. I've never really cared for:
Warm Ways
Oh Daddy

And it took me YEARS to learn to even marginally like:
Mystified
Only Over Ewe
Honey Hi
Never Forget

And it's not just her. I've never been much on:
Storms
Beautiful Child
Crystal

But give me a beat like Sugar Daddy or Think About Me, and I'm all about it. Or Angel! There you go Chiffonheads. There's a bone for ya!:lol:

Only Over You is just the worst. I HATE this song. The beginning is nails on a chalkboard and I just can't get through even half of the song. BLEH

Storms and Beautiful Child are great but Crystal is another barf-worthy tune. When I see people putting it in their dream setlists I just cringe. I have no need to ever hear that one live.

Dr.Brown 06-09-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1230398)
Oh Daddy...it's, as Lindsey said when he was allowed to be unmuted on Sirius XM, a slow dirge!

Oh it's a slow dirge alright, but if I'm at a funeral this is the kind of music I'd much rather listen to:


HomerMcvie 06-09-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1230393)
True, but if we have whole threads on this forum dedicated to discussions on Post-Rumours lineup auditions and concert setlists then a Pre-Rumours song shouldn't be verboten. ;)

I'll even go so far as to post the most fitting Post-Rumours song describing the band's current status: :(


Now, I LOVE me some Time/Bekka. She's the best, most powerful vocalist(even now) that FM ever had! She knows it, too.

I'm friends with a producer that knows her and her Mom, and says they both have egos the size of Texas, and can't fit in the same room at the same time. Bekka's a sweetheart though, even if she's got a huge ego.

HomerMcvie 06-09-2018 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1230398)
You two are nuts! :p Who likes Sugar Daddy and hates Oh Daddy?!? I love Oh Daddy...it's, as Lindsey said when he was allowed to be unmuted on Sirius XM, a slow dirge!

Warm Ways is like having a bottle of honey mainlined into your veins. But it has it's moments.

WHY don't you like Sugar Daddy? The cheesy lyrics???

I LOVE the music. Always have. Always will. It's made EVERY greatest hits CD I've ever made. So has Think About Me.

Netter75 06-09-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1230412)
WHY don't you like Sugar Daddy? The cheesy lyrics???

I LOVE the music. Always have. Always will. It's made EVERY greatest hits CD I've ever made. So has Think About Me.

The cheesy lyrics are why sugar daddy is awesome! It's a dumb, irrelevant song and it know it, that's what makes it fun. It's also the only song from the BN era that Christine got to show off her blusey rocker voice. I always like showing this one to people, at the very least it gets a reaction :). I'd honestly rather listen to it over her other white album tracks, even if it's objectively weaker than all of them. I think similarly for Think About Me.

Warm Ways and Crystal both took me a minute to like but I love them both now. Warm Ways just has a great sound even if it's not good for active listening and Crystal's harmonies and keyboards make it worth the wait through some occasionally awkward lyrics.

As for some of the other deep cut Chris tracks mentioned... I'm still working on Only Over You, Over and Over, Mystified, and Honey Hi. It's gonna happen eventually... But it's so hard lol.

ryan4136 06-09-2018 06:10 PM

Warm Ways is my favorite song on the FM album. I wish they had ventured down that road a bit more. So many layers to that song, but it’s not forced like Over and Over (which I love too, but it’s so heavily over produced)

secondhandchain 06-09-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan4136 (Post 1230424)
Warm Ways is my favorite song on the FM album. I wish they had ventured down that road a bit more. So many layers to that song, but it’s not forced like Over and Over (which I love too, but it’s so heavily over produced)

I love the production on Over and Over. It's like art.

ryan4136 06-09-2018 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain (Post 1230446)
I love the production on Over and Over. It's like art.

Oh I do to. It’s a great example of when over production is done right.

jmn3 06-10-2018 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1230412)
WHY don't you like Sugar Daddy? The cheesy lyrics???

I LOVE the music. Always have. Always will. It's made EVERY greatest hits CD I've ever made. So has Think About Me.

The lyrics...that car horn...bleh. I don't disagree about the music but if she wrote completely different lyrics for it I may change my mind!

jmn3 06-10-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brown (Post 1230393)
True, but if we have whole threads on this forum dedicated to discussions on Post-Rumours lineup auditions and concert setlists then a Pre-Rumours song shouldn't be verboten. ;)

I'll even go so far as to post the most fitting Post-Rumours song describing the band's current status: :(


I don't hate this song...but you know it is indeed strange times for Fleetwood Mac when Mick Fleetwood gets a 7+ minute song on an album.

David 06-10-2018 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1230399)
Storms and Beautiful Child are great but Crystal is another barf-worthy tune. When I see people putting it in their dream setlists I just cringe. I have no need to ever hear that one live.

How can you not like Crystal? WAAAAaaaahhh! It's so beautiful.

AliP 06-10-2018 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Netter75 (Post 1230416)

As for some of the other deep cut Chris tracks mentioned... I'm still working on Only Over You, Over and Over, Mystified, and Honey Hi. It's gonna happen eventually... But it's so hard lol.

oh wow, you have to listen to Honey Hi with headphones on. The background harmonies are amazing from SN/LB. Love it!

Hawkeye 06-10-2018 08:19 PM

I like every single Christine song she ever made before 1975. Then all at once she falls off a cliff with the first alum with Stevie and Lindsey. I know I’ll be in the minority here, but I honestly feel the 1975 album is as much of a sudden drop off in quality of songs for Christine as it was for Stevie on Tango in the Night.

Say You Love Me is catchy and John mcvie keeps it from
Being completely forgettable with his bass lines (as he would do many times in the future especially on the say You will album) But warm ways is boring for all the reasons already stated.

World Turning is one of their 5 greatest live staples of all time (maybe as epic as the Rhiannon’s in the 70s in hindsight) but the reissue has shown that World Turning along with Sugar Daddy and Over My Head were initially FAR better. Sugar Daddy being the worst offender. I’m sorry but I have to say Lindsey essentially butchered Christine’s how incredible pre-75 song streak with his production on her songs on that first album.

And let me clarify, other then warm ways, I don’t think the rest of Christine’s songs on this album are bad. Just a huge step down from all the bob Welch era albums and only in the past year do I see how much better they could have been.

secondhandchain 06-10-2018 11:02 PM

Warm Ways is a beautiful song as is Honey Hi. I like a rocker more then anybody else but I also love throwing on a pair of headphones and hearing those amazing harmonies on Mystified, Honey Hi etc...

jbrownsjr 06-11-2018 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain (Post 1230586)
Warm Ways is a beautiful song as is Honey Hi. I like a rocker more then anybody else but I also love throwing on a pair of headphones and hearing those amazing harmonies on Mystified, Honey Hi etc...

Yes, Christine in headphones is a whole new experience. Agreeing w/ Hawkeye. Some of Christine's early takes were far better than the finished. Warm Ways sounds better a bit raw to me. I think it gets watered down a bit.

Having said that, I love WW and Sugar Daddy. The early take of SDaddy is amazing to my ears. Especially, in headphones.

aleuzzi 06-11-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1230387)
I know. Even though Christine was always my favorite, some of her "sleepers" bore me to tears. I've never really cared for:
Warm Ways
Oh Daddy

And it took me YEARS to learn to even marginally like:
Mystified
Only Over Ewe
Honey Hi
Never Forget

Oh Daddy and Honey Hi are among my favorite tunes. Oh Daddy is iconic, as iconic, I believe, as Rhiannon, albeit in an entirely different way.

tabruns 06-11-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AliP (Post 1230554)
oh wow, you have to listen to Honey Hi with headphones on. The background harmonies are amazing from SN/LB. Love it!

I have to agree with this. When I first heard "Honey Hi" I hated it, but eventually it really grew on me.

Macfan4life 06-11-2018 04:42 PM

I don't consider Sugar Daddy cheezy lyrics at all
I find them sentimental in a bullish kind of way
She is sticking to her man no matter how another man with material things tries to lure her way.
Its so bluesy and fun!!!!
Love the organ and the serving whiskey neat line.


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