The Ledge - Show a little respect for Christine

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1247868)

Christine is essential to MTM as she is Tango. Killer songs, killer piano, killer vocals, killer harmonies.

Long live the Queen!

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Originally Posted by cbBen (Post 1247858)

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

I’m just the opposite. Christine is probably the MOST essential member of Fleetwood Mac. The unique Fleetwood-McVie-McVie groove, which goes back to the Peter Green days and continues through today, is THE defining feature of the Fleetwood Mac sound and her voice graced the majority of their hit singles.

And, it didn’t work without her. In sixteen years, they made exactly one album and an EP. By the end of this year, they will have done more shows since her return than they did in the decade between SYW and her return.

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As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

And what exactly did we get with that reset? It’s been the most painfully, pitifully unproductive era in the band’s history. The semi-retired Christine made as many albums in that time as Fleetwood Mac.

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1247864)

And if you add Welch/Green albums #9 falls even further.

To say McVie isn't essential means people need to go back and listen to the early albums. She's a staple IMO. And yes, SYW is such a mess.

Mcvie is so essential, she holds the F Mac sound together...BUT...
I do love SYW, I find it a very complex album and still listen to it a lot.

1. Tusk
2. Then Play On
3. Mystery To Me
4. Fleetwood Mac
5. Bare Trees
6. Rumours
7. Future Games
8. Mr. Wonderful
9. Kiln House
10. Tango In The Night

(As of today. 4-9 change order all the time)

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Originally Posted by cbBen (Post 1247858)

Yes, a firing is a difference in kind from a resignation.

But beyond that, with all due respect to her I do not consider Christine indispensable in the way I do Stevie, Lindsey, and even Mick (due to the uniqueness of his drumming).

The group works as Fleetwood Mac without Christine. It does not work without Stevie and Lindsey both, as their value stems in large measure from one another (a "package deal" as it were).

This is not to say Christine is not valuable, just not essential.

As was said elsewhere, 1997 was a reset.

The group works without Stevie. If the group is working right now without Lindsey (which doesn't mean most of the people are liking it), the group CAN work without Stevie. And without Mick. And without John.

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Originally Posted by secret love (Post 1247846)

Apparently Lindsey not being in the band is a travesty.
Well can anyone remind me, was there an uproar when they had the gall to tour without Christine?
Some people even said they should have replaced her with Sheryl Crow!
And yet replacing Lindsey is supposedly unforgiveable! Give me a break!

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

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Originally Posted by secondhandchain (Post 1247879)

HE WAS FIRED!!!!!!! DUH You don't see the diffference!!!????? She left on her own accord.

Okay, so you’re saying that if a few members of a band find themselves at personal or creative odds with another member of the band, they aren’t allowed to fire that member and have to suffer for the rest of their time together?

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1247857)

I thought I would get better with this situation as time ticked on. But honestly, what $tevie did is truly ugly and disgusts me more and more as I think about it. It's not so much the rallying of Mick and Irving that she and her crew accomplished; it's the silent treatment and the inhumane path it went down.

I still try to put myself in Lindsey's shoes. Getting the call and realizing they fired him without an explanation. a face to face conversation. or even a phone call. I can imagine him trying to sleep at night knowing he had been iced and ghosted by the very same people he has known for 40 years. I'm also willing to bet he and his wife had many sleepless nights. (His whole family most likely) Why would you put someone through that and then go on national tv and say, "It's because he didn't want to tour." Did $he have so much hate in her heart? Imagine doing that to someone, then lying about it to the world. We don't want to use the word fired? That actually makes sense because they didn't have the guts to fire him. They just moved on without contact.

And this giant revenge was done to the man that was a MAJOR player in $tevie's fruitful career. That's a bit ironic, no?

The more I try to get my head around this, the harder it is. I always knew she was a superficial, and entitled human being; but, I did not realize just how low she could sink.

As for Christine McVie. She had nothing to do with this, and I can't reasonably expect someone to take millions of dollars off the table and get involved in the Nicks' **** show. I'm pretty sure she quit the band for a week or two,(however, I haven't been able to verify it.) I don't even think even Lindsey would expect Christine to give up what she came back for. Christine came back from retirement to re-join Fleetwood Mac.

Final note: I don't think Christine sent that email to LB on accident. She was sending a message to him and the fans. I pray we get another BuckVie album. It's certainly possible. That email had to have sent shock waves thru the band......... errrrrrrrrrrrrr Stevie's crew.

I also can't wrap my mind around what happened. Still can't. And the silent treatment….. was it necessary? what were they trying to accomplish? If he was such a pain in the a$s, why not telling him? It wasn't that.

They're so pathetic as the people that are justifying their actions. Why is it so hard to understand that this was all a Stevie's whim?

Clearly Stevie's hate towards Lindsey was much, much more than many of us believed it was. This is her revenge after 40 years of writing in all those journals she has all the "bad things" he had done to her. Because she was a saint.

I was a bit more relieved after Christine's mail. And it proved that his firing WAS NOT a group decision and that she didn't have any problem with Lindsey, as many here want to believe. I really hope they can work again with Lindsey. Because they make great music together. And just to get back at Stevie. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1247880)

:rolleyes:

there are no "few members" here. just one. who has been in creative odds with the band for 15 years now, and at personal odds with her ex for 40+ years. so yeah she should have been fired. instead they continue to suffer, from what we hear even worse now without Lindsey to take the brunt of it.

My Friday night rambles... :woohoo:

Christine feels like the very essence of Fleetwood Mac to me. Where would this band be without her contributions? That instantly recognizable smooth voice, jaunty keys, multiple hit songs. The ying to Stevie's yang. Her countenance and very presence within the band for so long cannot be undervalued in my humble opinion. I realize Mick and John have more years in the band than she, but without her songwriting bridging multiple eras and providing continuity they wouldn't have lasted long after PG's departure.

SYW is practically unlistenable to me. I'm sure her absence is no coincidence as to why.

I am a big LB fan and consider him critically important to their successes, but I cannot deny that Christine is truly the lynchpin of the band. Sure "it's Mick's band" and he's the showman, but he'd have no band without Christine.

:woohoo:

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1247880)

I am a huge fan of a quorum--but in this case, I think it's been well established, it wasn't a few members, or a quorum, it was one, and the rest somehow were castrated (or in Christine's case...blindsided) on their way into the meetings.

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Originally Posted by luminol (Post 1247884)

Marry me?

As much as the idiots of the world worship $tevie, Christine was and is the balance that they needed. She "popped" it out, with that smooth pop voice. Thus, why she had the most hits. She balanced out the hippy chick, and the quirky guitarist, to where it all made sense, and made it radio friendly.

That said, Lindsey was the artistic, creative force behind it, pushing that pop to the next level, making it stand out as something distinctive.

$tevie is just a pop culture drone. People(for whatever reason) relate to her hippy dippy persona, spinning around(now) like a geriatric goat with a spastic colon, with less singing range than said goat.

Oh yeah, SYW blows goats. No, not that one.:woohoo:

You also look at the differences in personality between Christine and $tevie.

Christine is by no means perfect. But, she's an amazing human being compared to $tevie Nicks. One is classy, beautiful, strong, talented and the other is nasty, spiteful, hateful, and a mess.

But hey, $he $ells.

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1247889)

$tevie is just a pop culture drone. People(for whatever reason) relate to her hippy dippy persona, spinning around(now) like a geriatric goat with a spastic colon, with less singing range than said goat.

Oh, how would I love to understand people one day! :nod::nod: And the reason behind that idiotic love. :D

Clifford Davis IS Fleetwood Mac.