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PsychCat 03-12-2006 04:23 PM

As much as I love her work with Fleetwood Mac, her solo stuff just doesn't do much for me. I did like Bella Donna alot but as they progressed they just got too "Stevie/Welsh Witch/Enchanting/over-produced.

She also gets on my nerves when she works the croaky voice.
Just sing!! Love. her. stuff. .... just the croaky things gets old. fast.

DavidMn 03-12-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychCat
As much as I love her work with Fleetwood Mac, her solo stuff just doesn't do much for me. I did like Bella Donna alot but as they progressed they just got too "Stevie/Welsh Witch/Enchanting/over-produced.

She also gets on my nerves when she works the croaky voice.
Just sing!! Love. her. stuff. .... just the croaky things gets old. fast.

On your subject, I probably enjoy her solo work maybe a bit more than you do, but her Fleetwood Mac stuff will always be my favorite.:)

jannieC 03-12-2006 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Hopefullly you are not noticing this for the first time. That is Ghost_Tracker's m.o. and I've just learned to deal with it.

No, I just haven't learned to deal with it yet. Normally, I wouldn't say anything but it really is irking me lately.:shrug:

DavidMn 03-12-2006 04:41 PM

Boy, this puppy's gettin up there. Over 400

SapphireSister 03-12-2006 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jannieC
No, I just haven't learned to deal with it yet. Normally, I wouldn't say anything but it really is irking me lately.:shrug:

Welcome to the club! :wavey: It irked me too for the longest time and finally I said something and now I feel much better. I don't know if I'll ever get totally used to it but we don't have much of a choice. I have to hold my tongue every now and then too and trust me, it's not easy.

jannieC 03-12-2006 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Welcome to the club! :wavey: It irked me too for the longest time and finally I said something and now I feel much better. I don't know if I'll ever get totally used to it but we don't have much of a choice. I have to hold my tongue every now and then too and trust me, it's not easy.

And now...silence. :laugh:

BlackWidow 03-12-2006 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychCat
As much as I love her work with Fleetwood Mac, her solo stuff just doesn't do much for me. I did like Bella Donna alot but as they progressed they just got too "Stevie/Welsh Witch/Enchanting/over-produced.

She also gets on my nerves when she works the croaky voice.
Just sing!! Love. her. stuff. .... just the croaky things gets old. fast.

UH OH..SHALL WE START THE LINCHING NOW EVERYONE???:laugh:
http://www.nicksfix.com/sn0013.jpg

BlackWidow 03-12-2006 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Why does Lindsey look like The Captain from The Captain and Tenille in that photo? :laugh:

They were shooting TUSK video....

PsychCat 03-12-2006 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by PsychCat
As much as I love her work with Fleetwood Mac, her solo stuff just doesn't do much for me. I did like Bella Donna alot but as they progressed they just got too "Stevie/Welsh Witch/Enchanting/over-produced.

She also gets on my nerves when she works the croaky voice.
Just sing!! Love. her. stuff. .... just the croaky things gets old. fast.


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Originally Posted by BlackWidow
UH OH..SHALL WE START THE LINCHING NOW EVERYONE??? :laugh:


Makes HASTY retreat back to Christine board!!! :laugh:

David 03-12-2006 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow
They were shooting TUSK video....

No, Stevie, Mick & Lindsey were special guests for the Trojan halftime show at the USC-Arizona State playoff game at the Coliseum. It was October 1980, about three weeks after the Tusk Tour ended at the Hollywood Bowl. That's what that picture is from.

The Tusk video was shot in June 1979 at Dodger Stadium.

JWS 03-12-2006 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David
No, Stevie, Mick & Lindsey were special guests for the Trojan halftime show at the USC-Arizona State playoff game at the Coliseum. It was October 1980, about three weeks after the Tusk Tour ended at the Hollywood Bowl. That's what that picture is from.

The Tusk video was shot in June 1979 at Dodger Stadium.

Just a technicality, and no offense intended, but there are no "playoff" games in college football. USC and Arizona State play annually in regular Pac -10 conference play. It's a home and home rotation. Here are the facts, according to the USC media guide: USC defeated ASU 23-21 on October 4, 1980. The attendance was 69,052. USC was ranked #4 in the country at the time. I just thought I would add some trivia.

gldstwmn 03-12-2006 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Yeah! He sure wore a funny hat to that USC game! The visitors from Arizona State probably thought it WAS the Captain.

Maybe he was going to go sail off on a great big boat after this. :laugh: Or maybe he chauferred Stevie's big black limo to the game. :o

David 03-13-2006 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Maybe he was going to go sail off on a great big boat after this. :laugh: Or maybe he chauferred Stevie's big black limo to the game. :o

Maybe! He & Stevie also showed up around this time at a John Stewart gig at the Palomino, which I saw. I really loved Stevie & Lindsey around this time: I felt they really filled out from earlier in the year, & a fetching weariness had set in with their voice boxes. I was very sad to see the Tusk Tour end, especially when it had only got good during the final month.

And then December 8 came . . . Lennon was shot & killed & the "Live" album was released as a silly compilation of six or eight or ten different shows stretched out across four years or so, instead of the promised single night's show at the Bowl.

Disappointment became our middle name; & we were up against the wall, Jane.

chiliD 03-13-2006 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackWidow
UH OH..SHALL WE START THE LINCHING NOW EVERYONE???:laugh:
http://www.nicksfix.com/sn0013.jpg

It's spelled, "LYNCHING"

WelshWitchPMD 03-13-2006 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Why does Lindsey look like The Captain from The Captain and Tenille in that photo? :laugh:

Love, Love will keep us together...:laugh:

WelshWitchPMD 03-13-2006 09:16 AM

Let’s see. I think that I will take a crack at it.

1. Joe Walsh was the love of her life.

2. Too Materialistic- I did not like the way she went on in a recent interview about never having to look at a price tag, or something like that. She turns it into a proud accomplishment but I see it as arrogance and snobbery.

3. She was extremely wild in the 70s and 80s so much so that in 1986 she was banned from a 5 star hotel in Boston. I am not sure if that still holds true or if it even was true but I sort of believe it.

4. I agree with the poster who said that Stevie did not have children because she did not want to take of herself while being pregnant. Even if she did clean up when she found out that she was pregnant the damage might have already been done and she most likely knew that.

5. Stevie and Lindsey- I think that she still loves LB but that he seems to love her a lot more. I think that she plays a lot of games with LB and maybe in a weird way that is how he ended up getting married to Kristen.:confused: BTW, I sometimes wonder if LB is still married to Kristen but hey that is for another thread.

6. I think that she did use LB to an extent.

7. I think that she might have used Paul Fishkin to an extent, too.

8. I think that she did have some kind of fling with Waddy.

9. I don’t think that she slept with all of the men that she worked with but I do think that she slept with a lot.:o

10. I think that she loves Mick but more as a close friend right now. I think that she sees a side of Mick that some others don’t and I think that he and Stevie are alike in someway.

11. She knows a bit about the internet and knows how to send an IM :laugh:

Well, that is all that I have for now.

DavidMn 03-13-2006 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
Let’s see. I think that I will take a crack at it.

1. Joe Walsh was the love of her life.

2. Too Materialistic- I did not like the way she went on in a recent interview about never having to look at a price tag, or something like that. She turns it into a proud accomplishment but I see it as arrogance and snobbery.

3. She was extremely wild in the 70s and 80s so much so that in 1986 she was banned from a 5 star hotel in Boston. I am not sure if that still holds true or if it even was true but I sort of believe it.

4. I agree with the poster who said that Stevie did not have children because she did not want to take of herself while being pregnant. Even if she did clean up when she found out that she was pregnant the damage might have already been done and she most likely knew that.

5. Stevie and Lindsey- I think that she still loves LB but that he seems to love her a lot more. I think that she plays a lot of games with LB and maybe in a weird way that is how he ended up getting married to Kristen.:confused: BTW, I sometimes wonder if LB is still married to Kristen but hey that is for another thread.

6. I think that she did use LB to an extent.

7. I think that she might have used Paul Fishkin to an extent, too.

8. I think that she did have some kind of fling with Waddy.

9. I don’t think that she slept with all of the men that she worked with but I do think that she slept with a lot.:o

10. I think that she loves Mick but more as a close friend right now. I think that she sees a side of Mick that some others don’t and I think that he and Stevie are alike in someway.

11. She knows a bit about the internet and knows how to send an IM :laugh:

Well, that is all that I have for now.

What hotel was she banned from? Somehow I cant picture her throwing furniture through windows.:lol:

WelshWitchPMD 03-13-2006 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidMn
What hotel was she banned from? Somehow I cant picture her throwing furniture through windows.:lol:

It was the 4 Seasons. I don't think that she through the furniture out the window but I guess her and her band did a lot of damage during one of their wild parties. That is what I have heard. Wasn't there so I really don't know it as being fact.

SapphireSister 03-13-2006 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
3. She was extremely wild in the 70s and 80s so much so that in 1986 she was banned from a 5 star hotel in Boston. I am not sure if that still holds true or if it even was true but I sort of believe it.

If that's one of the worst things (or most embarrassing) that happened publicly during her drug days I don't consider that a big deal. I'm sure it happens a lot more frequently than you'd think. And plus she's a lucky girl if that's all that happened. She could have been busted for possession or far worse than being banned from the Four Seasons. Even if it is true I don't see the big deal. She's a rock star, she should be proud to be banned from the Four Seasons. Rock on Gold Dust Woman!

DashingDan 03-13-2006 03:09 PM

I'm from Boston, so I can say this...she was probably banned from the hotel for having a diverse band or showing too much ankle during a performance.

WelshWitchPMD 03-13-2006 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DashingDan
I'm from Boston, so I can say this...she was probably banned from the hotel for having a diverse band or showing too much ankle during a performance.

More like wrecking the place while having a coked out orgy.:shocked: :o

cliffdweller 03-13-2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
8. I think that she did have some kind of fling with Waddy.

I thought this was common knowledge :shrug:. Maybe I imagined it, but it seems like I've heard her talk about this or it was mentioned in an interview in the past.

WelshWitchPMD 03-13-2006 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
I thought this was common knowledge :shrug:. Maybe I imagined it, but it seems like I've heard her talk about this or it was mentioned in an interview in the past.

Well, there are quite a few fans who don't believe that she ever was romantically involved with Waddy.:shrug: Or Joe Walsh for that matter.

DashingDan 03-13-2006 04:28 PM

I think the Waddy lover/friend question is answered during the Destiny Rules documentary.

PsychCat 03-13-2006 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eclipse
- I feel her most emotional and heart felt song is "When I see You Again" I know 8 out of 10 people hate this song!
Everyone needs to listen to that song more closely...It is hauntingly sad

I agree. I was surprised to see so many "nays" for this song. I've always felt it was incredibly moving and that her passion was so vivid.
Granted the croaky repeats at the end are on the verge of over-drama but is totally saved with Lindsey's work.

DashingDan 03-13-2006 04:33 PM

Her studio performance on the Kenny Loggin's duet "Whenever I Call You Friend" is one of her BEST.

Oykamu 03-13-2006 05:54 PM

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I think the Waddy lover/friend question is answered during the Destiny Rules documentary.
What do you mean?

I agree with you about "Whenever I Call You Friend." I love that song purely for her vocals.

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by THINKABOUTIT
*I too think it's complete bull**** that Stevie stopped singing "Silver Springs" on the SYW tour.....something went down in Atlanta *I too think she does, even a little, regret not having kids. She puts sooo much emphasis on why, as if she is trying to convince herself.
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I don't quite get this - I literally don't understand it. Are all of the first three sentences supposed to be connected together? And I don't understand why something going down in Atlanta would cause her to stop singing Silver Springs. Unless you're thinking maybe S & L had a fight and she was too pissed to sing it anymore??? Or felt she would get emotional and start crying onstage???

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jannieC
You say this as though it's a fact, and not YOUR interpretation of Stevie's previous interviews.


My opinion is that Stevie has made this clear in interviews. Lindsey also. A perfect example is in M.F.'s book (assuming he was being honest, which John McVie just supported): Lindsey and a friend used to take turns bouncing checks at a local Denny's-type restaurant, because they literally had no money for food, despite the fact that Stevie was working as a waitress/cleaning lady etc. Granted that there were certain other . . . expenses, but still, it seems like that would not be true if they were sending her tremendous "Daddy's rich princess" kinda funds. I honestly don't think her parents completely supported this before they got their big break.
Don't forget, "Shacking up" with a guy you weren't married to was viewed MUCH differently back then, and she left college to do this.

The amount "$3500" is somehow popping into my mind - I'm not sure how accurate that is, or how it would translate into today's dollars. If rent was, say, a hundred bucks a month, that would go pretty quickly, especially after Lindsey and his friends got done with it. (There's some interview where Stevie says that when she was working as a waitress, she would come home and Lindsey would be practically passed out on the floor, high on opiated hashish, and he would complain that there was no money. And Stevie told him, "Well, that's cause you're spending all our MONEY on DRUGS, and sitting there HIGH on the FLOOR all day!)" I THINK that may be in Mick's book as well but I'm not sure of that.

Anyway, whatever the immediate cause, they weren't sending her millions - just enough to get by, + maybe a little extra, which Lindsey basically mis-spent on drugs. Or at least, that's been claimed, by Mick, Stevie, and I believe Lindsey also.

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
That's what I was driving at in my response to GT about learning disabled nuclear physicists. :)


I agree, Einstein wasn't a nuclear physicist.
( I'm not saying he was LITERALLY learning disabled - he just "thought differently" than most people and that maybe caused him to have trouble in Geometry, to the point where he failed it. Then again, I betcha he had some motivational problems there. ) Anyway, there's highly intelligent people who are "learning disabled." They're two separate, distinct things.

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Why does Lindsey look like The Captain from The Captain and Tenille in that photo? :laugh:


I dunno! Why doesn't Stevie SLAP him? The wonders never cease. ( :lol: )

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
Hopefullly you are not noticing this for the first time. That is Ghost_Tracker's m.o. and I've just learned to deal with it.



Obviously everything anyone says here is opinion. That's clear to everyone, or should be. I never claimed anything different.

SapphireSister 03-13-2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
Obviously everything anyone says here is opinion. That's clear to everyone, or should be. I never claimed anything different.

But the difference is that when other people post things they state it as though it is an opinion whereas you have a way of stating your opinion as fact and people take issue with it. It's not what you say, it's how you say it my friend. You often claim to have "insider" information with no real evidence to support it nor do you respond when questioned often times.

catinthedark 03-13-2006 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
My opinion is that Stevie has made this clear in interviews. Lindsey also. A perfect example is in M.F.'s book (assuming he was being honest, which John McVie just supported): Lindsey and a friend used to take turns bouncing checks at a local Denny's-type restaurant, because they literally had no money for food, despite the fact that Stevie was working as a waitress/cleaning lady etc. Granted that there were certain other . . . expenses, but still, it seems like that would not be true if they were sending her tremendous "Daddy's rich princess" kinda funds. I honestly don't think her parents completely supported this before they got their big break.
Don't forget, "Shacking up" with a guy you weren't married to was viewed MUCH differently back then, and she left college to do this.

The amount "$3500" is somehow popping into my mind - I'm not sure how accurate that is, or how it would translate into today's dollars. If rent was, say, a hundred bucks a month, that would go pretty quickly, especially after Lindsey and his friends got done with it. (There's some interview where Stevie says that when she was working as a waitress, she would come home and Lindsey would be practically passed out on the floor, high on opiated hashish, and he would complain that there was no money. And Stevie told him, "Well, that's cause you're spending all our MONEY on DRUGS, and sitting there HIGH on the FLOOR all day!)" I THINK that may be in Mick's book as well but I'm not sure of that.

Anyway, whatever the immediate cause, they weren't sending her millions - just enough to get by, + maybe a little extra, which Lindsey basically mis-spent on drugs. Or at least, that's been claimed, by Mick, Stevie, and I believe Lindsey also.


holy crap. that's a lot of major assumption in one little post.

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
holy crap. that's a lot of major assumption in one little post.


The original purpose of this thread was for it to be a place where people could express their "unpopular Stevie opinions" in a fun way without fear of being bashed for them. The person who started the thread made it perfectly clear that the thread was just for opinions. Read the TITLE of the thread -
it even has the word opinion in it. It was a fun thread when it first started,
but IN MY OPINION you guys are now just defeating the purpose of the thread and you have taken ALL the fun out of it. So I give up, you win your little victory, and I hope you're happy for ruining this thread and making it no longer fun. Thank you SO much! :xoxo:

Ghost_Tracker 03-13-2006 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SapphireSister
But the difference is that when other people post things they state it as though it is an opinion whereas you have a way of stating your opinion as fact and people take issue with it. It's not what you say, it's how you say it my friend. You often claim to have "insider" information with no real evidence to support it nor do you respond when questioned often times.


I have NEVER claimed to have "insider information" and OBVIOUSLY anything anyone says in here is opinion. Especially in a thread titled opinions, huh? And I apologize if I don't always respond but I'm very busy.

jannieC 03-14-2006 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghost_Tracker
I have NEVER claimed to have "insider information" and OBVIOUSLY anything anyone says in here is opinion. Especially in a thread titled opinions, huh? And I apologize if I don't always respond but I'm very busy.

This isn't the first time you've stated your opinions this way. Yes, this is an "opnion" thread- but you do have a way as making things look like you consider them to be fact in all threads, not just this one. :shrug:

melly 03-14-2006 09:07 AM

My unpopular opinions...

I don't think there should be a film made about Stevie's life.

I don't want to read her autobiography. I prefer a little mystery.

I don't like the way her visits to the troops have been portrayed, and I disagree with her statement that:

"I first went last summer in the middle of my tour. I was in Washington DC and they invited me and I really had no idea. I just went, Sure, I'm up for anything. I walked in there a fairly happy, single, 57-year old woman with no children - and I walked out a mother and a nurse and a doctor and girlfriend and sister and patients' advocate. From that moment I became a soldiers' advocate because they need it.

I have no comment or opinion about the war itself, but when those guys get back and are horribly injured then that is my business. But really, what can you do?"


is bizarre. If she is so concerned with these guys in hospital, surely she should have an opinion on the war. Her Florence Nightingale thing is a bit warped.

DavidMn 03-14-2006 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by melly
My unpopular opinions...

I don't think there should be a film made about Stevie's life.

I don't want to read her autobiography. I prefer a little mystery.

I don't like the way her visits to the troops have been portrayed, and I disagree with her statement that:

"I first went last summer in the middle of my tour. I was in Washington DC and they invited me and I really had no idea. I just went, Sure, I'm up for anything. I walked in there a fairly happy, single, 57-year old woman with no children - and I walked out a mother and a nurse and a doctor and girlfriend and sister and patients' advocate. From that moment I became a soldiers' advocate because they need it.

I have no comment or opinion about the war itself, but when those guys get back and are horribly injured then that is my business. But really, what can you do?"


is bizarre. If she is so concerned with these guys in hospital, surely she should have an opinion on the war. Her Florence Nightingale thing is a bit warped.

Interesting. I like your second opinion there.:)

Ghost_Tracker 03-14-2006 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by melly
My unpopular opinions...

I I have no comment or opinion about the war itself, but when those guys get back and are horribly injured then that is my business. But really, what can you do?"[/COLOR]

is bizarre. If she is so concerned with these guys in hospital, surely she should have an opinion on the war. Her Florence Nightingale thing is a bit warped.

Stevie expressed some of her MOM'S opinions - not her own, her MOM'S - regarding all of this - last summer, in a letter to her fans which appeared on Nicksfix. (A "Journal Entry.") And there was just this EXPLOSION of angry protest, and people really slammed Stevie for it. Look also at the backlash aimed at Helen Hunt, Tim Robbins, and other famous stars who have dared to express an opinion about the war. So she's just simply learned the hard way to lay low and avoid expressing her opinions about this controversial topic. i.m.o.


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