We Are So Lucky

[Janet]

We are so lucky...

Because we have Stevie Nicks. We are fans and we know her magic.

I just feel sorry for those not touched by her songs, her voice, even her life. They are definitely missing something.

I just saw her on Divas Live and she just lit up the stage...everyone was mesmerized and then she got the standing O because of her beautiful presence.

No one is like her!!!

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Very well said Janet!

Pip

[ricohv]

Sometimes I know my friends think I am cracked, because Stevie doesn't really seem to fit into their musical schemes...but I have never cared. When Stevie says she hopes her music can take people away for a little bit...well, it has! When I'm by myself its virtually all I listen to. If I'm sad there are songs that touch me...if I'm angry there are songs that touch me. I'm not a fan that ever wanted to really be like Stevie -or try and write mystical poetry- or to paint misty scenes with maidens. But in some small way I think we are all similar...we like the mysterious, the ambiguous. And we all like to be taken away, at least for a little while. Who else can do that as well as Stevie can? No one.

[highpriestess53]

if you had to sum up Stevie in one word it would be

MAGICAL

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janet
[B]We are so lucky...

I just feel sorry for those not touched by her songs, her voice, even her life. They are definitely missing something.

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Hold up. You're sayin that non-Stevie people's lives are lacking if they don't like her or have heard her and were'n't like blown away by her? Who's the "we" here? That's like saying people that are jewish are "missing something" cause they don't believe in Jesus. :lol: It's all individual what people like and don't like. Live and let live. I could care less who likes Stevie and who doesn't. I like her fine, but the music world is a BIG PLACE and there are peeps 100 times better than her! People who don't like her aren't "missing" anything if they haven't heard her or Fleetwood Mac music. You can't "miss" what you have never experieced or do not want to experience, since it was never there in the first place for anyone who hasn't heard her. :wavey:

[FiercestCalmSea]

True that, WWO(NOT Adam,I am so sorry about that,again)..I mean..i think Stevie's music is great and all..but i have plenty of friends who just don't listen to her and the Mac,period..they have their own favorites..and they aren't really missing anything in their lives...they are just touched by something different.

[WhiteWingedOne]

That's cool, Sarah. Some other dude called me "dear" on another thread! I think that's worse than being called Adam. :lol:

[highpriestess53]

Originally posted by WhiteWingedOne
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janet
[B]We are so lucky...

I just feel sorry for those not touched by her songs, her voice, even her life. They are definitely missing something.



So hold up. You're sayin that non-Stevie fans' lives are lacking if they don't like her or have heard her and were'n't like blown away by her? That's like saying people that are jewish are "missing something" cause they don't believe in Jesus. :lol: It's all individual what people like and don't like. Live and let live. I could care less who likes Stevie and who doesn't. They aren't "missing" anything if they haven't heard her or Fleetwood Mac music. You can't "miss" what you have never experieced or do not want to experience, since it was never there in the first place for anyone who hasn't heard her. :wavey:


Oh please give it up......go post on the Lindsey board and talk about his genius where you are obviously more comfortable......

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by highpriestess53



Oh please give it up......go post on the Lindsey board and talk about his genius where you are obviously more comfortable......

yeezus! why do I need to do that? why would anyone need to do that? and just who are you to tell what/which/where board people can use to post their thoughts on? :confused: Last time I checked, I was on a public message board. I can express myself fairly well for a kid AND answer someone (and btw honey lamb I wasn't talkin' to you! ;) ) AND I sure am not the only one who knows Stephanie Nicks doesnt' have floral farts and poops vanilla ice cream ;) Any doubts just look at the number of views of this thread vs the number of replies. There's the reality check for your day. :wavey: You can just give it up first! :nod: :wavey: WWO

[Johnny Stew]

I know that some people get annoyed when I do this... but before this has a chance to get out of hand, I'd like to once again remind all and sundry to please conduct themselves in a respectful fashion.

All views are allowed here, and everyone should be comfortable expressing their own opinion.


Thank you,
Johnny Stew

[EnchantedStorms]

Originally posted by Janet
We are so lucky...

Because we have Stevie Nicks. We are fans and we know her magic.

I just feel sorry for those not touched by her songs, her voice, even her life. They are definitely missing something.

No one is like her!!!


ITA, Janet. I have pretty much been a Stevie fan my whole life, as I can remember my mom listening to her when I was growing up. But I also remember the time that I first listened and actually "got" the message she was trying to send. After that, I went and bought BD, WH, the White Album, and Tusk. (I already had RAL, OSOTM, Tango, and, lol... my mom's copy of Rumours:D ) and I listened to them all, even the ones I already had, straight through. I was just amazed. Beyond amazed. And I truly do kick myself for not realizing it (her "message") sooner...because I sure could have used the support her words and music have provided since, many times over, back then.

~~Angela~~:wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EnchantedStorms
[B]


After that, I went and bought BD, WH, the White Album, and Tusk. (I already had RAL, OSOTM, Tango, and, lol... my mom's copy of Rumours:D ) and I listened to them all, even the ones I already had, straight through. I was just amazed. Beyond amazed. And I truly do kick myself for not realizing it (her "message") sooner...

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well her message for the most part says "SOS LINDSEY!!!!" :lol: Stevie's really a little girl and she needs a lot of help sharpening her crayons when she writes her songs. They aren't bad songs, they're just written like a schoolgirl with her head in the clouds. I am still waiting for a 53 year old Stevie to come out and give me some more "I know what I am saying now cause I am old" lyrics. :( She has this in her!:nod: She's older than my mom and my mom said this too. :D

[EnchantedStorms]

Her message is about life. About love. About pain. And about how to deal with it all. Some people, even if they have heard Stevie's songs before, still don't like it. They don't "get" it. Not that that is a terrible thing. To each his own. BUT....I do know what she has given ME over the years. And I can say that I have seriously BENEFITED from it. I think all anyone is trying to say is that they, knowing what THEY have gained, wish that everyone could experience that same enrichment. NOT that they are worse off for NOT having listened and liked what they heard, but that they COULD be enlightened, or enriched, if they could get the same enjoyment, fulfillment, and understanding as the ones that do get it.

~~Angela~~:wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EnchantedStorms
[B]Her message is about life. About love. About pain. And about how to deal with it all. ]

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yeah ok! but that's what "music" is all about!! about those 4 elements. SO!! every single song ever written by anyone, anywhere, at any time in HISTORY tells the same damn story or stories. Love gained, love goes, girl comes, boy goes. Different words are used that's all. Some write the songs in crayon, some use pen, some use computers and some used the walls of caves.
I agree with Christine McVie who said once alot of Stevie's lyrics are "rubbish" cause they just are! I don't get anything out of

"she stairs at the stairs blah blah so many things to stare at" or

"well you've been asleep well I've been asleep for how long she says."

Stoner junk. But if it turns you on!! :wavey: :wavey:

[EnchantedStorms]

wow. Your post is "slightly" different this morning, than it was last night. The one last night (or rather, EARLIER this morning, lol) was a lot friendlier....at least towards Stevie...IMO. Anyway...I can see this is going to turn into yet another bashing thread and, I think I said before, I don't have time for them. Stoner junk? Um, no. I've smoked pot two times in my life, and that was more than enough for me, I saw no need to try any of the other, harder stuff. But--"she stares at the stairs, there's so many things to stare at these days"....Is one of my favorite lines of Stevie's. Ever been so down...so let down...by life, that you just don't have the energy for anything ? Maybe you are young enough that you haven't had to experience anything, yet, that has been so traumatizing, or life-altering. Well, when you are told that you will never have children of your own...that is enough to make you "sit and stare" at everything, at nothing...for a LONG time...trying to figure out where in the hell your life is going now . As I said before...to each his own. You obviously don't "get" Stevie. That's fine. Just don't bash the people who do. As for Christine's quote...it makes me laugh, but then, I don't think she "gets" Stevie's message 3/4 of the time, either. Yes, every songwriter out there writes about love, life, etc. But SOME know how to do it in a way that "strikes a chord" with some people. Stevie happens to do that for me, and for a lot of people that frequent this board. I suppose we all just get tired of feeling like we have to explain ourselves, and defend her, all the time. There was another post, on one of the lengthy threads on this subject, that detailed WHY we are so quick to defend her. Very good post. You should go read it.

Oh, and doesn't Stevie usually use a typewriter when she writes? Think I remember reading that somewhere.

~~Angela~~:wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by EnchantedStorms
[B]But--"she stares at the stairs, there's so many things to stare at these days"....Is one of my favorite lines of Stevie's. Ever been so down...so let down...by life, that you just don't have the energy for anything ?

let down by life? Nope! Sorry to disappoint you! you get up, and move on. self pity sucks and it bores people too. which may be another reason why some of her songs are really bad. :lol:



"You obviously don't "get" Stevie. That's fine."

no, I get her. I just don't LIKE HER 24/7 and I DON'T HAVE TO and I think she writes some real LAME-O stuff just to gett attention. That is my opinion. Don't like my opinion no one is making you read them right? :nod:

" Just don't bash the people who do. "

uh welll hellloooooo :wavey:....I havent bashed ANYONE. matter of fact I said in my post whatever turns you on! So Scroll on up and read that. I am just HONEST about my liking or not liking stevie nicks. I refuse to be shot at with canons. what a huge shock that I defend MY positiion! ;) If anything, you are bashing people who opinions are different than yours and that is really against Freedom of Speech. Some of you get so militant about her it's AUTOMATIC "bashing" if anyone disagrees with you and the worship stuff. :nod: Get over it already. ;)


"As for Christine's quote...it makes me laugh, but then, I don't think she "gets" Stevie's message 3/4 of the time, either."


Oh Good. Someone on my side, and it's someone who IS a briliant songwriter and who IS someone who knows her. :lol:

"I suppose we all just get tired of feeling like we have to explain ourselves, and defend her, all the time."

well just Who is "we." Is the Ledge for Stevie FANS ONLY? :confused: This is a message board where people can express their opinions FOR or AGAINST Stevie. Keep saying "Public Messsage board....public message board....public message board" until that sinks in. :nod:

"Oh, and doesn't Stevie usually use a typewriter when she writes?"

Only when she's out of crayons. :wavey:

[Janet]

Ummmm

I wasn't trying to say she's better than any other Fleetwood Maccer...they are all great.

Im just saying, Stevie RIGHT NOW...at 54...shes pretty amazing. She's been through shit and she remained on top of it all. Thats all I was saying. It wasn't a door to analyze lyrics or to say if YOU don't have her in your life you're pathetic. It was just like...Stevie is cool and everyone should at least give her a chance.

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Janet

" She's been through shit and she remained on top of it all. "

ok that's interesting to say that. But I would say that sentence needs some work. How about "she put HERSELF through shit and finally hit rock bottom (in her case a fireplace OUCH) and then pulled herself out of the shit." that's MUCH more realistic. :nod: She sure was never on top of it all meaning all her problems and such or she never would have turned to coke. Has she been on top of her decisions she would have been strong enough to "just say no" to the klonopin and valium, too. We all make CHOICES and she made a load of real bad ones and paid the price. again, dudes, the truth is hard to accept sometimes! :rolleyes:

[Rumours]

Angela.......that was all very well put in all of your posts!!!!

Oh WhiteWingedOne, can I ask you something? If you can't stand Stevie Nicks so much, and all things and conversations Stevie Nicks, if it's such junk and rubbish, then why oh why do we have a user id name of "WhiteWingedOne"--obviously pulled from lyrics of her songs.........and if you can find so many better things to talk about and so much better music to listen to, why do you even bother to waste your precious time by coming here? Even though I do have my own ideas of why, I was just curious as to the reasons you would like us all to believe. Isn't there some Seseame Street message board you can go and use your immature language on and pick fights on??
Where did Stevie borrow her crayons from? You????
"Peeps", "honey lamb", "floral farts", "poops vanilla ice cream", "you can just give it up first" (no you, no you, no you--was your tongue actually sticking out while you typed this?--my friends and I used to fight like this, you know........WHEN WE WERE FIVE!!!!!), "LAME-O", "uh well hellloooooo", "dudes"...............
OH GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!

I mean, call me crazy, and pardon my rear if this is incorrect. But need I remind you or anyone else that normally websites and message boards such as this one are set up and maintained because somebody REALLY LIKES something or somebody and they want to discuss them/it with others who REALLY LIKE the same thing/people. Last time I CHECKED, you were "on a public message board" that was set up to discuss what is GREAT about Fleetwood Mac and all of it's members, and also to keep fans informed on things that are happening with the band, it's members, albums, tv appearances, magazine articles, etc. etc.

Marty, I guess I would like to direct this question toward you: do you not wholeheartedly enjoy and absolutely love Fleetwood Mac and all of it's various members and want to share that love with some civilized people on your message board??

Maybe I was falsely mistaken when I signed up on this board and started posting a couple years ago. Anymore, this is getting to be obsurd and out of hand!!!!

So, from where I'm standing, incesant bashing and criticizing of various members (in particular, Stevie Nicks, who takes the brunt of the beating) is bringing the majority of the folks here down, and is helping bring this message board down. It's not serving the purpose that the majority of the people who come here are looking for, myself included.

Thank you ever so much for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stephanie

:distress: :distress: :mad: :distress: :distress: :distress:

[Johnny Stew]

I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the statement Janet made, in exactly the form she made it.

Stevie *has* been thru some difficult things. Everyone in this world has.
It's pretty much assumed that some of the difficulties we face are of our own doing, and some of them are just the cards we are dealt... so that much can be left unsaid.

I really don't think Stevie wants anyone's pity. I also don't think that she feels, or would want anyone else to feel, that she is a victim. It seems to me that she takes full responsibility for the "mistakes" she has made in her life.
For example, when she speaks of the doctor prescribing the Klonopin, she has never once said that it was force-fed to her. She's explained *why* she consented to take it, and she's talked about the state of mind she was in when it was prescribed for her, but she's never said that she wasn't fully responsible for her own decision there... or in regards to any of the other things she's gone thru in her life.

As far as the self-pity thing... well, I haven't met a person yet who hasn't felt sorry for themselves at least once in their life, however briefly.
Beyond that, none of Stevie's lyrics have ever hit me as excessively self-pitying. And trust me, if they were, then I would have bored of them a long time ago.

The basic theme that I've always found within her lyrics is one of empathy.
She's saying, "hey, I've been thru it too, and yeah, it hurts, but I got thru it and so will you."

At the very least that's what *I* get from her songs... and I think a lot of others do, as well.


Now, I almost let this point drop, but I might as well touch upon it too...
Calling Christine a "brilliant songwriter," is just as subjective as calling Stevie one. And it's a statement which can be argued with just as much ferocity.

For all intents and purposes, there is nothing deep about Christine's lyrics. She writes upbeat pop ditties about love lost and love found.
She also writes beautiful ballads... about love lost and love found.
That's the extent of it.

There are no great political or social statements being made within Christine's, Stevie's, or even Lindsey's lyrics.

What IS brilliant about Christine's music is the same thing that is brilliant about Stevie's (as well as Lindsey's)... their words reach people. They entertain, and at their best, they have the power to inspire.

We each have our favorites within this band, and whether we admit it or not, we each defend our appreciation of our particular favorite(s)... I just can't see why so few people are able to accept and respect that fact.

There's no need for someone to tear down one member, just because they like another.
"I'm right, and your wrong" arguments are pointless, because there IS no right or wrong.
Debates are terrific, and can be very interesting and engaging... but at some point all parties simply have to agree to disagree. Or... in the best of all possible worlds... open their eyes to *both* points of view



Johnny Stew

[highpriestess53]

hooray, someone who gets it all.........:nod: :nod: :nod:

[wondergirl9847]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
There are no great political or social statements being made within Christine's, Stevie's, or even Lindsey's lyrics.

I really want to be a pain in the arse today...LMAO!!

Lindsey's song, Murrow is kind of a political statement, isn't it...even tho it's not an "official" song, it's only a GOS demo, still. LMAO!! I just want to be a thorn in your side for a small time there Johnny Stew. I'm not BASHING Stevie by saying that, just wanted to make an observation that hit me when I read your post.

OMG...what am I about to do...OMG...STEVIE RULES!!! :D

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

Originally posted by WWO
well just Who is "we." Is the Ledge for Stevie FANS ONLY? This is a message board where people can express their opinions FOR or AGAINST Stevie. Keep saying "Public Messsage board....public message board....public message board" until that sinks in.

The Ledge isn't just for Stevie fans..but, hello....isn't this the Stevie forum?? Yes people can express opinions for and against but you seem to want to stuff it down our throats! In your opinion Stevie rights some lame song...like a schoolgirl with her head in the clouds??? Hmm...well she must be doing something right. Your opinion is obviously important to you but you need to chill a little and accept other points of view too....that is what it is like in the grown up world of a debate. Perhaps you should check in when you have outgrown your crayons

Pip

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
Lindsey's song, Murrow is kind of a political statement, isn't it. *giggles*
You got me on that one, Christy. :laugh:

Maybe i should have said, "99.8% of the time, there are no great political or social statements being made...."
:D


Johnny Stew

[wondergirl9847]

...to Johnny Stew!! Aren't I the smart-aleck today? ;)

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon
that is what it is like in the grown up world of a debate. Perhaps you should check in when you have outgrown your crayons

Pip

You first. And to the Stevie Fan person who mentioned my screen name. To my knowledge STEVIE's lyric refers to a WHITE WINGED---> DOVE. I call myself White Winged --->ONE because I used to raise birds AND I HAPPEN TO LIKE SOME IF NOT MOST STEVIE NICKS HITS. so do me a favor and get off my freakin' back already. I will post my opnions and if you don't like me put me into your ignore list! not too hard is it Pippy Longwinded?? Yeesh!!!! :laugh: :distress: :laugh: :distress: :cool:

[WhiteWingedOne]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rumours

"Oh WhiteWingedOne, can I ask you something?"

No. :lol: oh ok--go ahead :rolleyes:

"If you can't stand Stevie Nicks so much, and all things and conversations Stevie Nicks, if it's such junk and rubbish, then why oh why do we have a user id name of "WhiteWingedOne"--obviously pulled from lyrics of her songs........"

hey! I NEVER said I couldn't stand Stevie Nicks. NEVER! so don't put words in my mouth. I never said her songs were junk, i said some of her crappier lyrics were "stoner junk" and the "rubbish" is what Chris McVie thinks of SN's songs! :lol:


"Isn't there some Seseame Street message board you can go and use your immature language on and pick fights on??"

Don't know. I love Sesame Street though. Especially Miss Piggie. so I will definitately check it out. thanks for the lead. :wavey:

"I mean, call me crazy"

ok You're crazy. :lol:

"Last time I CHECKED, you were "on a public message board" that was set up to discuss what is GREAT about Fleetwood Mac and all of it's members"

there a lots of discussions here about what's really BAD about Fleetwood Mac and it all it's members and usualley that results in a Stevie Nicks discussion. :lol: :wavey: now you can get off my back too. I can express myself the way I want it's Freedom of Speech. Have a nice day! :wavey: :

[jwd]

Posted by ricohv: we like the mysterious, the ambiguous. And we all like to be taken away, at least for a little while. Who else can do that as well as Stevie can? No one.

I'd like to reiterate that sentiment because I wholeheartedly believe that's what Stevie does best. She makes us feel good and lets us escape from our problems. Well said and kudos to you ricohv.

And hey if someone else doesn't like it....I say who cares?!


Joe

[Gypsy-Rhiannon]

I love to attack newbies??? Um...if you say so, oh word of wisdom one.

Pippy Longwinded...try to be a little but more original next time

Pip

[Janet]

Miss Piggie on Sesame Street?? Never saw that in my childhood.

Ok, well I think people who take drugs are pretty much losers. My father died of a heroine overdose and I think he's a loser.

But to get to that point where you depend on it...it means you are just trying to cover up alot of pain. God knows I have alot of pain and its a struggle to get thru the day sometimes...I know something like drugs would make it easier for a while...but I know after awhile it would ruin my life.

Stevie didn't have it all that hard...but then it got hard She did lose her best friend in the whole world. She did have to give up babies for her career. She did go thru one bad relationship after another. She did have to juggle two careers and make everyone happy. She did have a marriage that was fake and a child that she couldn't even speak to after awhile ...even though she promised Robin shed take care of everything. She did have to go thru alot of bad press because she took a stand and did things a bit differently than everyone else.

She went through hell and she pulled herself up from the terrible world of drugs she was living in...she cured herself and started over....how many artists over 50 still have careers as strong as hers? NOT MANY.

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by Janet
how many artists over 50 still have careers as strong as hers? NOT MANY.

either your kidding or you don't listen to any music :lol: Careers as strong as hers? She vanished for YEARS!! :lol: here's my list that includes all rock stars and groups where they are all in their fifties and still performing on some level or another. The females in this group have more albums/tours and constistency going for them than stevie could ever imagine having! here we go and thanks Dad for getting me into 70's music:

Cher
Tina Turner
Linda Ronstat
Ann and Nancy Wilson
Maryann Faithful
The Stones
Rod
Barry Manilow
Neil Diamond
The Who (two left and still rockin)
Bobby Vinton
Arosmith
Meatloaf
KC and the Sunshine Band.
Carly Simon
Carole King
Babarra Striesand
Ozzie Osbourbe
Don Henley
Eric Clapton
Peter Green
Phil Collins



I will think of some more but this should get you started knowing there is plenty of success and long life out there and just aboaut ALL these poeple have taken drugs and surived. So Stevie is special in her own way but she ain't all that and a bag of chips when you read my list.


:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by Janet
She did have to give up babies for her career. She did go thru one bad relationship after another. She did have to juggle two careers and make everyone happy. She did have a marriage that was fake and a child that she couldn't even speak to after awhile ...


Even AT my age, I know these are CHOICES people make. too bad Dr. Phil wasn't around to slap some sense into Stevie huh? oh and she didn't give up the babies. She conveniently got rid of them(poof! all gone!!) becasue she was into drugs and selfishness. there are many good Rock Moms out there! so let's not sugar coat! speak the truth! why is everyone so afraid! :rolleyes: :distress: :rolleyes: :distress:

[EnchantedStorms]

let down by life? Nope! Sorry to disappoint you! you get up, and move on. self pity sucks and it bores people too. which may be another reason why some of her songs are really bad.

Okay...I actually said nothing about self pity. I happen to agree with you on that. It DOES suck. And I cannot stand it. But, at the same time, sometimes there are things that happen to people in their lives that they cannot control, or maybe they COULD have...but didn't know how...and the aftermath sort of sends you into shock for awhile. Yeah, eventually you get up, and move on...but there IS a period where you have to figure out HOW to DO that. So, yeah...there have been times when I've "sat and stared at the stairs".

If anything, you are bashing people who opinions are different than yours and that is really against Freedom of Speech.

I bashed no one. I simply said, that the ones that DO get it wish that everyone could receive the same fulfillment from it that they do. We want to share. ONLY because we know what she's done for us. How she's helped us.

Oh Good. Someone on my side, and it's someone who IS a briliant songwriter and who IS someone who knows her.

Wonderful. You "get" Christine. I happen to love her music, too. But to say she is brilliant, and (part/most of/"whatever") Stevie's work is "rubbish" or "stoner junk" IS a matter of OPINION. Just because you, or Christine, or whoever says it's so, doesn't make it true, and I don't think you're going to convince anyone here--by that I mean the "Stevie" board--that is a fan of hers, to believe any different.


Angela.......that was all very well put in all of your posts!!!!

Thank you, Stephanie!:D And ditto...to you.:nod: lol

Oh, and don't think I ever saw Miss Piggie on Sesame Street, either. Now, Oscar the Grouch....definitely Sesame Street.:nod:

~~Angela~~:wavey:

[FiercestCalmSea]

Holy S**t...I haven't been on here since last night and look at what has transpired...damn...i do have to say,we are a lively bunch...I already stated my opinion about original subject of the thread,which seems to have gotten lost amidst the quarreling..but i just have to say,give it a rest..people are gonna have different views...sometimes we aren't gonna like them,but the fact is,that no matter how much be protest,they aren't gonna change..so why waste our time arguing???

[greatdarkwing]

sometimes we aren't gonna like them,but the fact is,that no matter how much be protest,they aren't gonna change..so why waste our time arguing???

Well said!!! LETS STOP IT, b4 threads have to be closed!!!!! I'm also talking about those in the Rumours forum that have grown to be rediculous in length:rolleyes: This will be the last time I check this thread, so lets end it here, for everyone's sake!

~Alex

PEACE OUT!:wavey:

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Janet
I just feel sorry for those not touched by her songs, her voice, even her life. They are definitely missing something.


What an attrocious thing to say! You "feel sorry for those not touched by her songs." So you may succeed at your job, have a beautiful spouse, beautiful kids, feel at peace with yourself and the universe. But if you're not a Stevie fan, you're merely worthy of pity? Wow!

[wondergirl9847]

I guess I can say the same thing about Lindsey, I WISH everyone liked Lindsey and that he got the recognition he deserves, but alas, twas not meant to be. We are blessed with the great music we have in this world, but I must agree with Carne here in that if you don't like or know Stevie's stuff, you are not a "poor soul". People like what they like, and that's that. Not everyone loves Journey, Aerosmith, BBMak, The Monkees, DC Talk, Amy Grant, Michael W Smith, but I love each and every one of them, and I wish everyone loved them as much as I do and knew the magic in their music, but they don't. :shrug: Oh well...waddayagannado? Not trying to spark a LB vs SN debate, just stating my opinon, Janet. ROCK ON!!

My new motto: Listen with an open mind...

[CarneVaca]

I guess I should have read the whole thread before posting that last one. But it just struck me as so outlandish that I couldn't keep from rushing to post something.

How humorous that some of the same arguments I made a couple months ago are getting the same response. At least folks are consistent around here.

WWO, if you haven't gotten a "strike," you're probably well on your way. That crack about pippy something or other should do it. Invoking Freedom of Speech will get you nowhwere here, because soon enough the owner of the board will inform you it's a private board and so long as you abide by his rules, you can stay.

Just keep in mind some of Stevie's hardcore fans would rather live in a fantasy world. Facts and logic are often foreign to some folks.

[Hawkeye]

OMG WWO:laugh: That last part was pretty funny. I love the woman to death but that was funny.

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by Hawkeye
OMG WWO:laugh: That last part was pretty funny. I love the woman to death but that was funny.

see now, the truth can be funny too. The major problem is getting people to see that. Stevie does live in a world that is not mine. Or yours. Or even her worshippers. THAT IS MY POINT! so weezie and pippie yah gettin it yet?????:wavey: :wavey: She lives in a world she has made for herself that doesn't include ANY NORMAL ACTIVITIES! Let's go bowling, Stevie! Huh?? What?? What's THAT?? Let's go to the cash machine! Huh?? Cash??? Huh??? Let's go to the ladies room for a tampon! HUh?? I am a cartoon character!! I don't have periods!!! (:lol: I just saw Annie Hall with my Dad and Mom and that line cracked me up! :lol: cause I;m sure there are people who think she's never been on the rag, either! and neither have I but I hear it's nazzztay! :lol:) :wavey: The WWO

[Sorceress]

WWO, I want to be really clear and first say that I am not attempting to infringe on your right to freedom of speech. Instead I would like to appeal to your maturity and sense of fairness and ask that you use some tact in your posts.

You are absolutely right that Stevie lives in a world of her own creation, that there are plenty of people her age who still have careers, that she made some rotten choices in her life, and that she is not total divine perfection. Okay. Point made and taken.

That said, there are many people who love Stevie in spite of, and maybe sometimes even because of, her flaws. You aren't likely to have any success convincing these people that she is unloveable, or that her work has not been meaningful to them. Instead, what happens is that you end up being hurtful to them. I hope that hasn't been your intent in all of this. I know we all have better things to do than sit around yanking each other's chains.

[CarneVaca]

We've gone slightly off track here. I would still like the original poster to explain the preposterous notion that folks who don't somehow get solace from listening to Stevie's music should be pitied.

Let's see, the current population estimate in the United States is 260 million. How many people bought TISL? Five hundred thousand, maybe a little more? All right, let's say, adding some rough numbers from The Dance and accounting for the fact that some people who bought The Dance did not do it for Stevie (myself included), that Stevie has maybe 4 million fans.

That means, according to the warped logic of the original statement, that 256 million people out there are sorry buggers because they don't "get" Stevie.

I don't buy that.

[Janet]

Yo!

Ok guys, this is ridiculous. I was writing some sappy post regarding my feelings toward Stevie and how special she is. I was not saying if you aren't a Stevie fan you are pathetic...I was saying that if people don't give her a chance, its a shame because she's a good artist. A special one! Thats it!

Now going on and on about this is ridiculous. This is a Stevie board for Stevie fans. We can gush about her on here if we chooses. If its not your liking then don't come on here...whats the big deal> We gush because we are fans. FANS. This is a FAN board.

So no one is pathetic, no one is living in a fantasy. My life , personally, is way too busy to be in a fantasy.

So I went on about her private life...choices she made were NOT good ones maybe, but choices are still hard to live with. I don't think we should pity anyone, but its a choice to respect or not to ...

So please, before this gets out of hand, take my post with a grain of salt, me being emotional after watching DIVAS.

Thanks.

[laurarox]

There's one in every crowd. The more we defend the cruder the comments to follow. Let's drop the thread.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

Originally posted by laurarox
There's one in every crowd. The more we defend the cruder the comments to follow. Let's drop the thread.

I agree wholeheartedly. But I just want to make one addition - let's drop this thread and all others like it. This place has really gone to hell. I'm sick of coming here and reading nothing but pure crap in the form of anti-Stevie verbose rhetoric from certain people that is designed simply to get a rise out of others. Enough is enough. No one said that everyone has to like Stevie, or share the same opinions, but the point is that some people do. So a little respect would go a long way. And so somebody implied something to the fact that they feel bad for those who don't understand Stevie -- so what??? That is 9000 times less offensive than half of the rediculous meaningless statements some people have wasted our time with.

[EnchantedStorms]

ITA, SmthngOfADreamr. Normally I don't even post in response to all the Stevie bashing threads. I guess the reason I did this time was because like you said...it's gotten out of hand. What has it been--five(?) threads in one week? I just got tired of it. The subject is way past old. It's ancient.

~~Angela~~:wavey:

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by Janet
Yo!

Ok guys, this is ridiculous.

We know that. You posted it anyways though! :shrug: :lol: :shrug:

[highpriestess53]

......In all the interviews ever done with Stevie since her dealing with her addictions,her choices in life, what ever, she has been totally open and honest about it all......but above all SHE has taken the responsibility for her own actions ALWAYS. Her choices that she made no matter how good or bad , she didn't foist the blame onto others.........now she is using her experiences to warn others DON'T do what I did.....don't make the same mistakes... BUT ask her if she would ever want to turn back the clock and change things Stevie has always maintained that she wouldn't change a thing. You can't live your life with regrets......

How many people in the public eye can be that open and honest...the majority want to hide their past because of the shame of being an addict, alocholic, wife beater etc etc...

That is partly what draws people to Stevie, her humanity and her ability to 'talk' to people about the good and the bad in life and when it does all go wrong that there is hope, a light at the ned of the tunnel......all said through her music......
So for those who love her for the artist she is...we 'get' where she is coming from......perhaps it is not open to everybody to 'get' her. A mystery perhaps.....?????

A message to the ones who really detest Stevie and the ground she walks on........stop beating yourselves up about her, she has more talent than you will ever have in your little fingernail, more admiration and fans, oh and she continues to gather a following at quite an alarming rate amongst the younger generation who can't find musically what they are looking for in the continuous pop crap being churned out by record companies. Oh of course not forgetting her wealth she carries in her purse as loose change what your entire family has as the total sum of their bank accounts...now that would piss alot of people off especially if they were thinking along the lines of talentless, no voice left hasbeen.

[FiercestCalmSea]

Well if that doesn't just sum it up perfectly i don't know what does :)

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
......Oh of course not forgetting her wealth she carries in her purse as loose change what your entire family has as the total sum of their bank accounts

that depends on your definition of what WEALTH is. I go to a private school and my parents are both eye doctors. my shit still stinks. :shrug: imagine that!! :lol: There are people who are dirt poor who have more talent than her or YOU or me! try not to generalize so much cause your not good at it. your're just obsessed with a celebritey .:rolleyes: :wavey: :D

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by highpriestess53
she has more talent than you will ever have in your little fingernail,

Well, I would hope that she has more talent than what I have in my little fingernail, though I'm not entirely sure.

she continues to gather a following at quite an alarming rate amongst the younger. [/QUOTE]

Is that why TISL sales stalled after the early spurt? And that's despite all the help from the hitmakers of the moment.

Maybe she'll team up with Eminem next. Or Alicia Keys? God knows she's tried everything: Jon Bon Jovi, the Dixie Chicks, Don Henley, that dude with the piano, my office's janitor...

[SmthngOfADreamr]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snore snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...... just more of the same stuff from the same people.... they've got only one trick up their sleeves and it becomes less insulting and more humorous with every post.

anyway, let's see your good ole Lindsey release an album that debuts at number 5! (like TISL) let's see him have a number one single (like the POTU remix)!!! oh, wait, that's right, Lindsey doesn't release albums or singles, except maybe once a century... silly me.

so is that what you want it to come to? you want to trade silly insults about people whom we've never even met and are in no way connected to save for the fact that we enjoy their music? grow up and get a life! what's the point of it?

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by SmthngOfADreamr
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snore snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...... just more of the same stuff from the same people.... they've got only one trick up their sleeves and it becomes less insulting and more humorous with every post.

Now, you're getting it. It is supposed to be humorous.

you want to trade silly insults about people whom we've never even met?

No, I was just trying to get you to realize you need to read your posts before you click the submit button. You didn't even end up saying what you meant to say.

[SmthngOfADreamr]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snore

wake me up again when (if?) one of you have something coherant or productive to contribute.

[Bella Figura]

http://www.nicksfix.com/nicksfix027.jpg

[FiercestCalmSea]

Ok so TISL was not her biggest seller...but frankly as one of her younger fans i have to admit i was not attracted by her newer stuff(i.e. Street Angel,Timespace),but by her older stuff...and just her whole persona as a musical person...and record sales don't tell the whole story,my dear,because every Stevie show i went to last year was packed,by young and old,so obviously her following is not lacking that much.

[greatdarkwing]

PLEASE!!!! LETS CUT OUT THE BASHING, THE FIGHTING, THE RANTING, THE RAVING, AND THE INSANITY!!!!! LETS ALL BUILD BRIDGES, AND GET OVER IT......IF THE STEVIE BASHERS WANT TO INSULT STEVIE, LET THEM DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE....IT IS NOT A BRIGHT IDEA TO POST BAD REMARKS ABOUT STEVIE IN THE STEVIE NICKS FORUM , WHERE STEVIE NICKS FANS GATHER!!! DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE AND NOT HERE!!! IF YOU SAY ALL WE DO IS WORSHIP STEVIE:rolleyes: THEN LET US WORSHIP HER IN PEACE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! I'M PRETTY MAD, AND I WILL NOT LOOK AT THIS THREAD EVER AGAIN, AS SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE HERE!

~:mad: Alex

[DrummerDeanna]

So, I don't know...I'm a huge Stevie fan. I also love the Mac as a band...now..as for who's better than who, who has more talent etc, these conversations are completely assanine...and will not get anyone anywere. I do not feel Stevie can do no wrong...give me a break...she's human...so is Lindsey...and the reason I am a Stevie fan...well, I have my own personal reasons, as many others on the boards do...

So...why do people get defensive? Lets see...music is a powerful tool, it has helped many through distressing..horrid times in their lives, and sometimes it's the only companion a person has, and that is the relationship many Stevie fans have with her music, it's been there for them through the years...through pain, through joy, through a lot...and it has a deep meaning for them...so when you knock that, it can cut deep, and yes, can sometimes be taken personally...you may find this ridiculous or whatever...but it comes down to mutual respect... stop being so petty and rude...some people love Lindsey and some people love Stevie and some people love Chris...respect that each of us has our own individual opinion....and it is rude and disprespectful to bash an artist (all are already aware that she is not some perfect being) that someone really loves and respects....

[CarneVaca]

I agree. As Rodney King said, "Can't we all just get along?"

LA Police Department motto, circa 1992: "We'll treat you like a king." Ouch!

I think everyone should be entitled to like, worship, love, revere whichever artist they want. So, Stevie fans, carry on. You're entitled.

[KathyD]

Thank you, WhiteWingedOne, for reminding me that the Ledge has "Ignore" capabilities.

[sara1998]

Originally posted by WhiteWingedOne


that depends on your definition of what WEALTH is. I go to a private school and my parents are both eye doctors.

.... and THAT explains it folks! :distress:

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by sara1998


.... and THAT explains it folks! :distress:


Not to anyone who read MY WHOLE POST without using the above qwuote to her "advantage." Re-read, and get back to me!! You may need some cerebral help, so read the sentence that follows what you chopped up above here! :mad: .. Try playing fair!!!>>WWO:wavey: :mad:

[sara1998]

There was no point in letting everyone know about your silver spoon....

P.S. Does the private school you attend have dictionaries???

[WhiteWingedOne]

Originally posted by sara1998
There was no point in letting everyone know about your silver spoon.... P

well it's better than the silver ice cold fudgecicle you have jammed up your ass. :wavey: Here's my post--re-read and TRY TO GET IT!! :wavey:

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that depends on your definition of what WEALTH is. I go to a private school and my parents are both eye doctors. my shit still stinks. imagine that!! There are people who are dirt poor who have more talent than her or YOU or me! try not to generalize so much cause your not good at it. your're just obsessed with a celebritey
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[Lori]

This is for Janet...

Janet, I am sorry that all of this has evolved from your post. I haven't seen the Divas show (my mom taped it for me, but can't find/thinks she probably taped over the tape :( ) - BUT I totally understand the feelings that prompted your post. Those feelings are resurrected in me everytime I get out The Dance video for something like the hundredth time, and find myself all teary-eyed sitting there watching all of the FM members interacting and performing so wonderfully. I sit there and sniff and tell myself I'm such a silly hormone-ridden woman and that people would think I was nuts if they could see my reaction to the band. I mean, I don't KNOW these people, right? They are just a band, right? But I love their music, it moves me, and through the years of feeling so familiar with all of them...well, to see/hear them displaying their talent and emotion and comradery with such zest...I am filled with emotion (irrational though it may be) - pride, love, longing. And I find myself thinking how lucky I am to be able to experience this, and how great it would be if everyone else could, too. I want to open my front door and sob/shout to the world, "I LOVE FLEETWOOD MAC! RUN, don't walk, to your nearest music store and get yourself the gift of Mac music!" :lol:

In a way, it's like I feel about my kids...when they do things that make me all warm and fuzzy, or touch me to the point of making me cry, or just sit there being my beautiful children, I think to myself "what a shame that the rest of the world has to be denied the experience of my fabulous kids!" :laugh: ;) But even so, how FORTUNATE and BLESSED I am that *I* get to experience them!

SO, Janet, I totally understand what prompted your post. That combination of love/heartache/pride/longing/happiness/blessedness that just makes you want to shout out to the world. But how great for you that you have a place where you can shout it out to people who understand and, for the most part, agree.

NEVER hold yourself in check, Jan. Keep shouting it out, girl.

Lori :wavey:

PS: Hope this was all semi-coherent, as for the last 2/3 of it, I had a 7-year-old girl who should be in bed talking in my ear while I was composing..."Mommy, gee you sure like Stevie, don't you, with that big picture of her on your computer, and boy, is my nose stuffy and runny and I need some medicine, and boy, was my vacation with Grandma fun, and gee, Mommy, you sure are writing a lot, and Mommy, do you think we can go to the zoo soon, and you know, I think I have to pee, and can we snuggle on the couch together for a little bit before I go back to bed, and MOMmy, don't you think maybe you're writing too much..." Yeah, what a SHAME that the whole world isn't getting to experience the beauty of this particular child of mine right now... ;)

And so back into lurkerdom I fade...and re-emerge into mommyhood... :D

[FiercestCalmSea]

So what you went to private school..so did i..i don't really see it as anything to brag about...i thought it sucked as a matter of fact..bunch of whiny @ss spoiled brats who couldn't do a damn thing for themselves..i couldn't wait to graduate into the REAL world that is for sure...so my point it,no one cares where you go to school,or what mumsy and daddy do...and you totally missed Louise's point...rock stars who have been around as long as Stevie has make alot more than eye doctors,or even regular doctors for that matter...not that it matters right...but the woman is filthy rich...it is a valid point.

[BellaDonnaGypsy]

Originally posted by FiercestCalmSea
So what you went to private school..so did i..i don't really see it as anything to brag about...i thought it sucked as a matter of fact..bunch of whiny @ss spoiled brats who couldn't do a damn thing for themselves..i couldn't wait to graduate into the REAL world that is for sure
Oh God... :laugh: Sarah, I totally know what you mean... and even worse, I went to a Catholic private school. :rolleyes: I'm not kidding when I say that I nearly went insane during my final years there.

Laura.

[Janet]

LOL, private school.

I went to one too! I was so poor, my mom worked at Friendly's. My father was dead. I had NOTHING but my mom saw it I went to a Christian private school.

No silver spoon to my mouth thats for sure!!
******

WWO, how old are you anyway? are you still in school?? by your posts I swear I thought you were at least my age ( 24) but did you say you were still IN school??

I hope you have calmed down and bit and realized name calling gets us NOWHERE.:)

*****

Lori, thank you for your post sweetie! Im glad you understood the nature of it. But you are an "old school" ledgie like me. Its been 5 years almost, can you believe that!!!

[sara1998]

Originally posted by WhiteWingedOne


well it's better than the silver ice cold fudgecicle you have jammed up your ass. :wavey: Here's my post--re-read and TRY TO GET IT!! :wavey:



I think I hit a nerve....

By the way, does mommy and daddy know you talk like that?:eek: How about the moderator??

[Janet]

Hello

Moderators are always keeping tabs on what is going on.

Read the FAQ and you will see the Ledge standards and what we do to keep them up.

[CarneVaca]

Just a guess, but I would hazard to guess that suggesting to insert a popsicle (flavor unknown) inside one's escape hatch is probably a violation of the Ledge TOS. But, that is a guess.

Speaking of which, did anyone here ever get their lips stuck to an extremely cold popsicle, and then tried to pull it out? Painful, isn't it? Ouch, I shudder just thinking about it.

[FiercestCalmSea]

Laura,I went to a Catholic Private school too.....boy did i piss off those nuns,lol.

[golddustwoman77]

The thing that I have noticed since I have been on this message board is that some people just go from thread to thread looking for something to bash, words to analyze, or something to fight about. I learned this when I started the "Who's the Most Talented" Thread. I was trying to celebrate all of Fleetwood Mac's members and their varying talents. I was not trying to pit the members against each other. Many people were tactful with their thoughts, but several weren't. Soon, some people started acting like this. Some people missed the point that I made in the first place. :confused:

Same here, I think that Janet's point at the beginning was a good one. Stevie does stir up a lot of emotions in people. She just hoped that everyone could feel an emotion that strong from music, maybe Stevie's music. Some people just understand where Stevie is coming from. They can relate on some or all levels. To say that she is untalented or uncreative or discuss her personal life/problems was not part of the thread. I don't even know how it got to that point.

Janet made a positive, emotional statement. She just wanted people to know how she felt. She was not saying that you lack something if you don't like Stevie. I think that she would hope you got that emotion from someone's music. She just personally thinks that Stevie does it well.

I happen to personally agree. Stevie has a way of bring forth emotions (This thread proves that.). I think that is part of her appeal, and part of what draws people to her.

I think that a lot of what has been said here was to make people mad. It was to get people arguing. We just have to remember that. Also, it is good to be open minded and to hear all opinions, but those opinions should be expressed tactfully with other people's feelings in mind. Of course, this is just my humble opinion to be taken if wanted. :nod: :wavey: