Trouble in Wickhambreaux

[michelej1]

[Ah Chris, come home to FM where things are peaceful. Stevie and Lindsey never threatened you with poly-tunnels]

Express Co. UK, March 28, 2010
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/165605/The-rock-star-the-nasty-BB-contestant-and-a-village-ripped-apart-

THE ROCK STAR, THE 'NASTY' BB CONTESTANT AND A VILLAGE RIPPED APART

By Ian Read

AN IDYLLIC village is being shaken by a row between a retired rock star and one of Big Brother’s most *notorious contestants.


This time, however, “Nasty” Nick Bateman, kicked out of Big Brother’s first series for his double-dealing with his housemates, is not seen as the villain. That role is being assigned to Fleetwood Mac’s Christine McVie, who wrote Don’t Stop, which became President *Clinton’s campaign song.

Tensions rose after Ms McVie joined a consortium last year to buy fields next to the Little Stour river in the village of Wickhambreaux, near Canterbury in Kent. She has lived in the *village for more than a decade and was worried that the fields near her home would be used for unsightly poly-tunnels. However, her consortium promptly fenced off the fields, denying the *villagers access to the river.

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The furious residents are calling for the fences to go. Particularly angry is “Nasty” Nick Bateman, whose family home is now owned by Ms McVie.

As a boy he played by the stream and feels the rock star has let down the villagers. “The consortium promised to keep the land as it was,” he says. “By putting the fences up the *children are *unable to enjoy the river.

“It was hoped the consortium would gift the land to the village so it could be enjoyed as it has been for hundreds of years. It didn’t *happen.

“Other landowners bequeathed lands to the village and Christine McVie could have done the same.”

The author of How To Be A Right Bastard is also angry with fellow *villager and consortium member Mark Perkins, an investment consultant. Mr Perkins and three friends outvoted Ms McVie to put up the fences.

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“Perkins acts like Mr Toad,” said Nick, referring to the arrogant and impulsive character from Wind In The Willows. “He used to live in the village a long time ago but returned to live here two years ago. He tells people he lives in the community but he isn’t part of it. People try to be civil with him but he just doesn’t listen.”

Residents are also angry because an old willow tree was cut down by the consortium.

Since 1964 Mrs Emmy Watts has lived close to the spot where the willow tree once stood. She said: “I’m heartbroken and horrified. The flood ditches are filled in and the children are unable to see the wildlife here. I’ve spoken to Mr *Perkins about it but he doesn’t want to know.”

Ms McVie, now 66, left Fleetwood Mac in 1997 and now guards her *privacy ferociously. Her palatial home is surrounded by high hedges and big fences and she rarely emerges except to walk her dogs. She hasn’t been photographed for a decade.

In an interview 10 years ago she said she enjoyed shopping in *Canterbury without being mobbed.

A pair of water engineers wanting to check drainage on her land were told to go away because she didn’t want to see anybody.

Opposite her home the drainage ditch filled in by the consortium can be seen. Further down the lane a small stream burst its banks. Local *councillor Brian Staley, who represents Wickhambreaux, Seaton and the nearby village of Ickham, said the drainage ditch was a vital run‑off for flood water .

“The willow tree was a popular landmark but according to Mr *Perkins it was taken down for health and safety reasons. Legally he might be in the right but morally he is wrong,” he said.

“A lot more communities will be affected like this as the Church Commission sells off land to finance its activities.”

Mr Staley said villagers are mounting a concerted push to get the land village green status so no development can take place on it and the fences have to be removed.

Canterbury City Council has confirmed it is investigating the loss of the tree.

A spokesman said: “Mr *Perkins will have to prove the tree was dangerous and he will have to replace it under the terms of the conservation area status.”

Zimbabwean businessman Mr Perkins claims the compensation culture is at the root of the decision to put up the fences, to avoid legal action from people who might injure themselves while on the land.

He said: “None of us set out to be landowners when this process began but since it started we have had to look at our obligations. The decision to put up one fence has been made by the consortium .

“I can understand where the emotion is coming from but I have to take advice on liability. In this compensation culture we live in we have to cover all eventualities.”

Relations between the rock star and the rest of the consortium are strained. Local people believe Ms McVie now wishes she had bought the whole parcel of land rather than joining the group.

Mr Perkins said: “The majority of owners decided the fence must go up. I do not talk to Christine McVie. She is totally independent.”

[michelej1]

Christine has not been photographed in a decade? Well . . .

Michele

[Gailh]

Christine has not been photographed in a decade? Well . . .

Michele

Hasn't she really? Perhaps those photos were of Helen Mirren after all :lol:

No point in pretending we don't know exactly where she lives now then is there?

Sounds to me like Christine didn't want the fences put up but was outvoted.

This sounds like a storm in a tea cup (with a chocolate Hobnob)

Gail

[ButterCookie]

That Big Brother wannabe should feel bloody privileged that Christine owns his home. The villagers complain now, but they'd be even more riled up if the land had been used for poly tunnels.

I might only be 16 but when I was little I could climb a fence to get to a river if I wanted to play, surely kids can still climb? Hmmpf I really can't imagine Christine making a fuss over a kid playing so what is there to complain about.

[jbrownsjr]

All she wants is to be left alone... is that too much to ask? Jeez

[michelej1]

Sounds to me like Christine didn't want the fences put up but was outvoted.



Yes, that was strange. Bateman seemed like Christine was the one keeping the poor little children away from the river, then when you read on it seems she voted against the fences and is not in accord with the other consortium members.

Michele

[michelej1]

All she wants is to be left alone... is that too much to ask? Jeez

To be fair, she needs to let the man in to check her drains!

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

To be fair, she needs to let the man in to check her drains!

Michele

ONly if they whistle SYLM while they do it..

[goldustsongbird]

This sounds like a storm in a tea cup (with a chocolate Hobnob)

Gail

Duck in the kitchen not included.

[HomerMcvie]

All she wants is to be left alone... is that too much to ask? Jeez
Of course it's not too much to ask.
I've always said that if I won the lottery, big time, that I'd either buy my own island, or about 500 acres of woods. with my house right in the middle of it.
I totally understand her desire for privacy!

[aleuzzi]

Yes, that was strange. Bateman seemed like Christine was the one keeping the poor little children away from the river, then when you read on it seems she voted against the fences and is not in accord with the other consortium members.

Michele

Yeah, I noticed this, too. For Christine who probably doesn't want to get involved in any politics, as it would draw her into relations with others, this article has to be a big annoyance. She can't win either way--no matter how she voted she would be cited as "the bad guy" here.

Maybe she should write an album about it...

[michelej1]

Duck in the kitchen not included.

Hmmm. Christine never said how that ended. She realized that she never got that kind of delivery service in Los Angeles, picked him up and threw him in a pot.

Michele

[Gailh]

Hmmm. Christine never said how that ended. She realized that she never got that kind of delivery service in Los Angeles, picked him up and threw him in a pot.

Michele

I reckon the duck saw her zesting an orange and legged it

Here's an article from a local newspaper

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentish_gazette/news/2010/march/18/seaton_fences.aspx


Gail

[ButterCookie]

Janis Volckman wrote:

Seaton Marsh

I walk past Seaton Marsh every day. Within a matter of weeks a beautiful meadow has been turned into an Essex Girl's garden! I'm waiting for the garden gnomes to arrive! I can't wait for the day that Seaton Marsh is declared a Village Green. Janis Volckman, former Essex girl now Wickhambreaux woman.

Ahem :shocked:

Paul Harris wrote:

Seaton Marshes

Good that a local celeb has got behind this, this look like a problem that needs that kind of backing.

I get the impression he doesn't realise that a former member of Fleetwood Mac lives in his village.

Talking of back garden's, it still escapes me just why other people in Britain get such bad cases of NIMBY.

[Sleepless-Child]

Funny to read this, when you know what he was saying about Chris Mcvie, 10 years ago...looks like friendship didn't last :)

http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/daily-mail-london-england-the/mi_8002/is_2000_August_19/lies-fall-nasty-nick-public/ai_n36274010/pg_2/

Anyway, I don't see Christine as the "bad guy".
I'm surprised that no one seem to know who she is, I mean CHRISTINE MCVIE !
Even on the Wickhambreaux Wikipedia article, it is mentioned that Nick Bateman lives in the village, but nothing about her.

[ButterCookie]

Bateman likes to boast that he and McVie are friends and that she has repeatedly invited him around to the house for dinner.

Well I'll bet he can forget that happening again :shrug:

[Gailh]

Well I'll bet he can forget that happening again :shrug:

I doubt if it ever happened in the first place. I mean the times I've been to hers for dinner and I've never seen him :laugh:

Gail

[Sleepless-Child]

I doubt if it ever happened in the first place. I mean the times I've been to hers for dinner and I've never seen him


:laugh: Right. I don't think it happened neither, I mean Christine Mcvie, the legend, having dinner with...a random Big Brother guy. Definitely not.

[HejiraNYC]

I'm not sure why Chris is so concerned about the "poly-tunnels." She's already got cows (and presumably the fragrance of cows) in her backyard. Plus, it's not like she could see anything beyond her tall hedgerow, that is, assuming that she even goes outside. NiMBYism, indeed!

[Ulpian]

This article smacks of the very worst about the UK: village politics and stupid, lazy journalism.

From the article, it appears Christine did not vote in favour of the fences. Therefore Nick Bateman and the manipulative journalist are traducing the reality of the situation.

No wonder Christine - if any of this can be believed - doesn't want to see anyone; they cannot be trusted.

:mad:

[seekerj]

All she wants is to be left alone... is that too much to ask? Jeez

I know, right?

[Gailh]

I'm not sure why Chris is so concerned about the "poly-tunnels." She's already got cows (and presumably the fragrance of cows) in her backyard. Plus, it's not like she could see anything beyond her tall hedgerow, that is, assuming that she even goes outside. NiMBYism, indeed!

What cows?

Wickhambreaux is a very lovely olde worlde English village. All it really needs is a duck pond and some merrie peasants dancing round a maypole and the image would be complete. Poly tunnels would be ugly but it is an agricultural area .

Gail

[Gailh]

This article smacks of the very worst about the UK: village politics and stupid, lazy journalism.

From the article, it appears Christine did not vote in favour of the fences. Therefore Nick Bateman and the manipulative journalist are traducing the reality of the situation.

No wonder Christine - if any of this can be believed - doesn't want to see anyone; they cannot be trusted.

:mad:

Totally agree

Gail

[seekerj]

Some dumb questions...

What's a poly-tunnel?

What's a nimby?

[ButterCookie]

NiMBY is Not In My Back Yard. Horribly common in the UK.

Not 100% sure about a poly tunnel but I'm guessing laying them, or whatever, involves construction work and general disruption to the village.

[jenniferuk]

Some dumb questions...

What's a poly-tunnel?

What's a nimby?

Polytunnel is a type of greenhouse, it's a plastic covering over plants. In the UK they are used a lot for berry planting. I'm not sure if there is an American English equiv or not. Here is a pic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytunnel

[michelej1]

This article smacks of the very worst about the UK: village politics and stupid, lazy journalism.

From the article, it appears Christine did not vote in favour of the fences. Therefore Nick Bateman and the manipulative journalist are traducing the reality of the situation.

No wonder Christine - if any of this can be believed - doesn't want to see anyone; they cannot be trusted.

:mad:

That's true. When Bateman initially opposeed the consortium, it was a very small blurb in Big Brother news. See, http://www.digitalspy.com/bigbrother/news/a209469/nasty-nick-backs-local-fences-campaign.html.

But then when you insert Christine's name, distort things a bit and paint it as some sort of preservationist feud, it gets more attention.

Michele

[Dodfather]

This article smacks of the very worst about the UK: village politics and stupid, lazy journalism.

From the article, it appears Christine did not vote in favour of the fences. Therefore Nick Bateman and the manipulative journalist are traducing the reality of the situation.

No wonder Christine - if any of this can be believed - doesn't want to see anyone; they cannot be trusted.

:mad:

I completely agree! By the way Ulpian, where in Scotland are you?

[MacMan]

Here's the article from the paper - with what looks like a recent photo of Christine.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1066/christinemcvieoffleetwo.th.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/christinemcvieoffleetwo.jpg/)

[michelej1]

Here's the article from the paper - with what looks like a recent photo of Christine.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/1066/christinemcvieoffleetwo.th.jpg (http://img696.imageshack.us/i/christinemcvieoffleetwo.jpg/)

Why'd they say she hadn't been photographed in 10 years if they are running with that photo? Thanks for posting this.


Michele

[Gailh]

Why'd they say she hadn't been photographed in 10 years if they are running with that photo? Thanks for posting this.


Michele

Looks like she was taken unawares with that one

Gail

[joe]

When I clicked on the link and saw the smaller thumbnail, I knew it probably wasn't going to be a good pic of her. As I clicked on it to enlarge, I had a feeling I shouldn't be doing that. I was right. Not to pick on Christine at all but reality sets in when you haven't seen an older celebrity for a few years and then you see a candid shot. She really is looking older...

Did you notice what's on the dog leash?

"One of us has no balls." lol.

[Gailh]

When I clicked on the link and saw the smaller thumbnail, I knew it probably wasn't going to be a good pic of her. As I clicked on it to enlarge, I had a feeling I shouldn't be doing that. I was right. Not to pick on Christine at all but reality sets in when you haven't seen an older celebrity for a few years and then you see a candid shot. She really is looking older...

Did you notice what's on the dog leash?

"One of us has no balls." lol.

She is 66. It was clearly a very blustery day, she had no make up on and was probably papped - what do you expect?

the dog lead is brilliant.

Gail

[Tango]

She is 66. It was clearly a very blustery day, she had no make up on and was probably papped - what do you expect?

the dog lead is brilliant.

Gail

Papped? As in "pap test"? Please help a few of us Americanized English speakers, please! :lol:

[jenniferuk]

Papped? As in "pap test"? Please help a few of us Americanized English speakers, please! :lol:

Papped is to get photographed by paparazzi. No doubt the tabloid photographers were waiting in the wings to get a shot of her...they love to catch a celebrity off-guard.

[Gailh]

Papped? As in "pap test"? Please help a few of us Americanized English speakers, please! :lol:

Sorry - "papped" - had her picture taken by the paparazzi

Gail

[HejiraNYC]

Seems that Christine is at that point in life where she has to decide between the "fanny or the face." There's no question that a few more kilos would fill out her face quite nicely. Otherwise, gravity can be relentlessly cruel.

That being said, I think Christine doesn't look too bad considering she isn't wearing a stitch of makeup, her hair is an unkempt mess and she's squinting into a "who farted?" grimace. Admittedly she has always had the kind of face that can take on a lot of makeup, so it can be quite startling when she is going out and about "naked." I do have to admit that I prefer seeing her like this than the surprised, frozen expression she sported for The Dance. I suspect that even today, she could still clean up quite nicely and be ready for a photoshoot!

[Gailh]

She's retired now and I'm sure she doesn't want to be bothered with a stupid tabloid rag like the Sunday Express who seem to want to make a story out of nothing.

Gail

[seekerj]

Thank you to everyone who responded to let us Americans know what those British words mean!

I wish I had you all with me when I watched the movie "Snatch"!!!!

[Gailh]

Thank you to everyone who responded to let us Americans know what those British words mean!

I wish I had you all with me when I watched the movie "Snatch"!!!!

Did Guy Ritchie direct that?

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

Wow, I will admit, that I was a little shocked by the photo. But yeah, she's 66, and has her priorities in order. Like someone said, she looks like a little weight might help her "fill out" a little.

At least I now know what a poly-tunnel is.

[Gailh]

Wow, I will admit, that I was a little shocked by the photo. But yeah, she's 66, and has her priorities in order. Like someone said, she looks like a little weight might help her "fill out" a little.

At least I now know what a poly-tunnel is.

I wasn't shocked at all by the photo. She was walking her dogs on a windy day and clearly does not feel the need to cover herself in a load of slap (makeup) as she probably doesn't meet photographers every day. She did look a bit grumpy. Brave person to make Christine grumpy

Gail

PS I'm glad you now know what a poly tunnel is - ugly things

[ButterCookie]

I wasn't shocked by it either :) I was really glad she's grown her hair a bit actually, I think it's much nicer that bit longer that to her jawline.

[jenniferuk]

Did Guy Ritchie direct that?

Gail

That's the one-he wrote and directed it.

[jenniferuk]

I wasn't shocked at all by the photo. She was walking her dogs on a windy day and clearly does not feel the need to cover herself in a load of slap (makeup) as she probably doesn't meet photographers every day. She did look a bit grumpy. Brave person to make Christine grumpy

Gail

PS I'm glad you now know what a poly tunnel is - ugly things


Me neither--not at all shocked by the photo or by the media trying to stir up drama. Probably a typical walk on a typical day but unfortunately she got caught--I do hope that the tabloid photogs aren't lurking about waiting for her.

[Gailh]

That's the one-he wrote and directed it.

Now he is what we would call a "mockney" that is someone who pretends they are a cockney but are really quite posh.

There you are you're learning more each day

Please pay attention becasue I will be asking questions later :laugh:

Gail

[jenniferuk]

Now he is what we would call a "mockney" that is someone who pretends they are a cockney but are really quite posh.

There you are you're learning more each day

Please pay attention becasue I will be asking questions later :laugh:

Gail

I'm English :thumbsup:

I should not have replied to the Guy Ritchie question as it was directed to seekerj. It's so rare I have an answer to a ledgie question that I chimed in!

I've lived in the US (from London) for about 3 years now and I encounter daily American English / English differences--it's not easy!

[Gailh]

Oops sorry

[HejiraNYC]

I can't help but wish the name of this thread was the sequel to Stevie's TISL.

I hear there's trouble in Wickhambreaux...
I run over the grass,
I run over the... hey, what's this barbed wire fence doing here?!!

[ButterCookie]

I can't help but wish the name of this thread was the sequal to Stevie's TISL.

I hear there's trouble in Wickhambreaux...
I run over the grass,
I run over the... hey, what's this barbed wire fence doing here?!!

HA! :laugh:

[Ulpian]

I completely agree! By the way Ulpian, where in Scotland are you?

Edinburgh! A far cry from peaceful Kent...

[StreetAngel95]

I can't help but wish the name of this thread was the sequel to Stevie's TISL.

I hear there's trouble in Wickhambreaux...
I run over the grass,
I run over the... hey, what's this barbed wire fence doing here?!!

i was just thinking this! haha :lol:

[Ulpian]

p.s. I am almost incandescent with rage about this whole thing, but especially the paps going after Chris and photographing her when she was walking the dogs. For god's sake, she came back here in the first place to get away from the media circus and to live a normal life - can't they just either use an old photo, or, less likely, not run such a trivial and inaccurate story?

:distress::mad:

[seekerj]

I'm English :thumbsup:

I should not have replied to the Guy Ritchie question as it was directed to seekerj. It's so rare I have an answer to a ledgie question that I chimed in!

I've lived in the US (from London) for about 3 years now and I encounter daily American English / English differences--it's not easy!

Oh, not at all! Thanks for answering the question! Especially since you gave the right answer! lol!

I can imagine it must be difficult sometimes with the differences. If you ever have any questions about any American English expressions, please don't hesitate to ask!

[seekerj]

I can't help but wish the name of this thread was the sequel to Stevie's TISL.

I hear there's trouble in Wickhambreaux...
I run over the grass,
I run over the... hey, what's this barbed wire fence doing here?!!

This is hysterical!

[seekerj]

Now he is what we would call a "mockney" that is someone who pretends they are a cockney but are really quite posh.

There you are you're learning more each day

Please pay attention becasue I will be asking questions later :laugh:

Gail

This is great! I had never heard that one, either! I'm learning so much!

My apologies to everyone for hijacking the thread.

[Meowi]

What a nice name! :)

[HomerMcvie]

I wasn't shocked at all by the photo. She was walking her dogs on a windy day and clearly does not feel the need to cover herself in a load of slap (makeup) as she probably doesn't meet photographers every day. She did look a bit grumpy. Brave person to make Christine grumpy

Gail
I wouldn't piss her off for anything.

I don't know. I really hate seeing that pic. She does look old in it. Her teeth look bad, sort of.

If I were her, even if I weren't still in the public view, and had her money, I think I'd keep up on my plastic surgery. Seriously.

[trackaghost]

I wouldn't piss her off for anything.

I don't know. I really hate seeing that pic. She does look old in it. Her teeth look bad, sort of.

If I were her, even if I weren't still in the public view, and had her money, I think I'd keep up on my plastic surgery. Seriously.

But what is a 66 year old woman supposed to look like? Personally I prefer her looking like that (and I must admit I don't understand what is so shocking about it. She just looks her age, probably a little younger actually) rather than Joan Rivers or something, who looks like an alien. At least Christine still looks real and recognisable as herself. She's been out of the public eye for the last seven years, if she doesn't feel the need to get plastic surgery why should she go through the pain and discomfort for the sake of a few fans with unrealistic expectations of how an almost 70-year old woman should look?

[HomerMcvie]

But what is a 66 year old woman supposed to look like? Personally I prefer her looking like that (and I must admit I don't understand what is so shocking about it. She just looks her age, probably a little younger actually) rather than Joan Rivers or something, who looks like an alien. At least Christine still looks real and recognisable as herself. She's been out of the public eye for the last seven years, if she doesn't feel the need to get plastic surgery why should she go through the pain and discomfort for the sake of a few fans with unrealistic expectations of how an almost 70-year old woman should look?
If she doesn't care, that's one thing. But looking good, usually makes one feel better about themselves.

If I were her, I'd have em stitch that skin back so tight! "Alright Doc, make me look like I'm 18!" Really, that pic bothers me, because she looks VERY MUCH like the wife of a drummer I play with....and she's pure evil. So I really don't like that pic.

[michelej1]

I wish we could have gotten one tiny picture of her at the last FM concert. I bet she dolled up for that night out.


Michele

[HomerMcvie]

I wish we could have gotten one tiny picture of her at the last FM concert. I bet she dolled up for that night out.


Michele

Now I'd love to see that!

[Meowi]

Now I'd love to see that!

LOL.

Fan: Great show, shame about that other woman.
Chris: Do you know who I am?
Fan: Sorry, don't recognize you... Wait your not a Helen Mirren impersonator?

[Gailh]

But what is a 66 year old woman supposed to look like? Personally I prefer her looking like that (and I must admit I don't understand what is so shocking about it. She just looks her age, probably a little younger actually) rather than Joan Rivers or something, who looks like an alien. At least Christine still looks real and recognisable as herself. She's been out of the public eye for the last seven years, if she doesn't feel the need to get plastic surgery why should she go through the pain and discomfort for the sake of a few fans with unrealistic expectations of how an almost 70-year old woman should look?

I agree.

I think she looks fine. Much more natural than, as you say, someone like Joan Rivers.

Gail

[trackaghost]

If she doesn't care, that's one thing. But looking good, usually makes one feel better about themselves.

If I were her, I'd have em stitch that skin back so tight! "Alright Doc, make me look like I'm 18!" Really, that pic bothers me, because she looks VERY MUCH like the wife of a drummer I play with....and she's pure evil. So I really don't like that pic.

Yeah but how do you know she doesn't feel great about herself? We haven't seen her in seven years but looking into the mirror every day, she probably doesn't notice it as much. And really I'm sure she looks better than that anyway because that is an obviously unflattering photo of her, with her hair messed up by the wind and not a stitch of make-up on. She was probably just out around where she lives taking her dog for a walk, I wouldn't get dressed up for that either! I'm sure she looks a lot better when she's done up, all of us do.

[HejiraNYC]

Yeah but how do you know she doesn't feel great about herself? We haven't seen her in seven years but looking into the mirror every day, she probably doesn't notice it as much. And really I'm sure she looks better than that anyway because that is an obviously unflattering photo of her, with her hair messed up by the wind and not a stitch of make-up on. She was probably just out around where she lives taking her dog for a walk, I wouldn't get dressed up for that either! I'm sure she looks a lot better when she's done up, all of us do.

I don't think there is a soul in the world (over the age of 30) that feels great about looking older. Yes, it can be very gradual, but there is nothing like the discovery of a certain line, bag or sag to remind us of our mortality. I can totally empathize with people who subject themselves to the interventions wrought by modern science to prolong the appearance of youth. I don't think it is a matter of aesthetics as much as it is a way of coming to grips with death. I do fancy the notion of being a taut, line-free corpse one day.

[TrueFaith77]

I don't think there is a soul in the world (over the age of 30) that feels great about looking older. Yes, it can be very gradual, but there is nothing like the discovery of a certain line, bag or sag to remind us of our mortality. I can totally empathize with people who subject themselves to the interventions wrought by modern science to prolong the appearance of youth. I don't think it is a matter of aesthetics as much as it is a way of coming to grips with death. I do fancy the notion of being a taut, line-free corpse one day.

That
is
kinda
brilliant

[HomerMcvie]

I don't think there is a soul in the world (over the age of 30) that feels great about looking older. Yes, it can be very gradual, but there is nothing like the discovery of a certain line, bag or sag to remind us of our mortality. I can totally empathize with people who subject themselves to the interventions wrought by modern science to prolong the appearance of youth. I don't think it is a matter of aesthetics as much as it is a way of coming to grips with death. I do fancy the notion of being a taut, line-free corpse one day.

You know, as a 41yo, I've done the best reinvention of myself, over the past 7 months, that has been possible(without spending money). Lost 35 lbs(down to 145 now), and have just completely changed my outlook on life/love. Been dating like crazy(still searching for the right one, though). But, when I'm 50, or 55, and feel like I could really benefit from a nip/tuck, hell yes, pull that **** back! I'm gonna fight death, tooth and nail, as long as I can.

And fwiw, I've always felt this way. I knew at 19, that I was gonna HATE getting older, and knew, even then, that I'd go out swinging! lol

[Gailh]

I dont think there's a problem with trying to look your best and making the most of what you have but where do you draw the line?

I personally think that older people who've had god knows how many facelifts look ridiculous. Mutton dressed as lamb!

I still say Christine looked fine. She was walking her dog on a windy day - how should she have dressed? In a posh frock with stilleto heels and a pearl necklace? She is NOT in the public eye anymore so she doesn't need to make an effort

Gail

[trackaghost]

I don't think there is a soul in the world (over the age of 30) that feels great about looking older. Yes, it can be very gradual, but there is nothing like the discovery of a certain line, bag or sag to remind us of our mortality. I can totally empathize with people who subject themselves to the interventions wrought by modern science to prolong the appearance of youth. I don't think it is a matter of aesthetics as much as it is a way of coming to grips with death. I do fancy the notion of being a taut, line-free corpse one day.

I never said anyone feels great about getting older, where did I say that? Homer said she needs to feel better about herself, and I just said that perhaps she feels great about herself already. Feeling great about yourself doesn't always have to do with how you look.
There's an assumption that how you feel about yourself is completely tied up in how you look, all I'm saying is that Christine is probably enjoying her life and enjoying not having to worry about how she looks, she might in fact, gasp, feel great! Of course she doesn't want wrinkles and to look old, I'm not saying she doesn't notice these things but the effect isn't going be as dramatic to her as it is to us seeing her in the first time after years. And going under the knife? It might be nothing to some but to others that's a pretty big deal. I do understand and empathise with those who do put themselves through it and the natural yearning for eternal youth, I'm absolutely not criticising those who do, but I also understand why people don't want to as well, and Christine obviously doesn't feel the need at this time in her life.
It amuses me that there is never anyone going on about how Mick, John or Lindsey need surgery, yet they all look their age. It's such a double standard. And Christine isn't even in the public eye anymore, if she doesn't want surgery then shouldn't we respect that? And there's always the possibility she would get surgery and look awful, as a lot of people do, would she feel so great about herself then? Let her grow old gracefully how she wants.

[HejiraNYC]

I never said anyone feels great about getting older, where did I say that? Homer said she needs to feel better about herself, and I just said that perhaps she feels great about herself already. Feeling great about yourself doesn't always have to do with how you look.

One can feel great (physically) while not feeling great about ones own self-esteem. Obviously Christine is not curled up in a fetal position in the hay loft, but there is nothing about that photo that screams "I look and feel fantabulous!" To put it another way, how do we know that her appearance hasn't contributed to her reticence to step out in public? Just like Greta Garbo or Doris Day... maybe she wants to be remembered the way she was...


It amuses me that there is never anyone going on about how Mick, John or Lindsey need surgery, yet they all look their age. It's such a double standard.

Of course it's a double standard. Nobody gives Mick grief about his protruding beer gut, but if Stevie sported such a protuberance, people would ask her when she was due. In any case, the main problem with old men and plastic surgery is this:

http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/


And Christine isn't even in the public eye anymore, if she doesn't want surgery then shouldn't we respect that? And there's always the possibility she would get surgery and look awful, as a lot of people do, would she feel so great about herself then? Let her grow old gracefully how she wants.

I want nothing but the greatest happiness for Christine; no matter what, she has made the world a more beautiful place forever. I'm just saying that if I were in her situation, I would not go quietly into the night- I would fight it tooth, nail and scalpel!

[trackaghost]

One can feel great (physically) while not feeling great about ones own self-esteem. Obviously Christine is not curled up in a fetal position in the hay loft, but there is nothing about that photo that screams "I look and feel fantabulous!" To put it another way, how do we know that her appearance hasn't contributed to her reticence to step out in public? Just like Greta Garbo or Doris Day... maybe she wants to be remembered the way she was...


That is true and I wouldn't blame her for that. I do think she has a nice life down in Kent though, it's just a shame she's been used as a scapegoat for this story in order for it to get more attention than it normally would.


Of course it's a double standard. Nobody gives Mick grief about his protruding beer gut, but if Stevie sported such a protuberance, people would ask her when she was due. In any case, the main problem with old men and plastic surgery is this:

http://menwholooklikeoldlesbians.blogspot.com/

I want nothing but the greatest happiness for Christine; no matter what, she has made the world a more beautiful place forever. I'm just saying that if I were in her situation, I would not go quietly into the night- I would fight it tooth, nail and scalpel!

I think she did fight it while in the public eye but now she's retired she probably doesn't feel the need. But I do think she probably looks much better than that when she's dolled up. And that blog is hilarious. :D

Also, I just want you and Homer to know, I don't mean to pick on anyone, I just enjoy arguing :laugh:

[Gailh]

One can feel great (physically) while not feeling great about ones own self-esteem. Obviously Christine is not curled up in a fetal position in the hay loft, but there is nothing about that photo that screams "I look and feel fantabulous!" To put it another way, how do we know that her appearance hasn't contributed to her reticence to step out in public? Just like Greta Garbo or Doris Day... maybe she wants to be remembered the way she was..s



I would hazard a guess that photo was taken in the morning, she'd probably had a quick shower, fed the dogs, had a cup of tea and then took them out for a walk. She seems to be looking towards the photographer and is probably not best pleased.

Ask yourself how you would look in that situation. Have you ever had your picture taken went you weren't expecting it and didn't want it?

Must she scream I look and feel fabulous? She has retired. She should be allowed to get on with her life as she sees fit and not conform to someone else's idea of what a retired Rock Star should look like

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

I never said anyone feels great about getting older, where did I say that? Homer said she needs to feel better about herself, and I just said that perhaps she feels great about herself already. Feeling great about yourself doesn't always have to do with how you look.
There's an assumption that how you feel about yourself is completely tied up in how you look, all I'm saying is that Christine is probably enjoying her life and enjoying not having to worry about how she looks, she might in fact, gasp, feel great! Of course she doesn't want wrinkles and to look old, I'm not saying she doesn't notice these things but the effect isn't going be as dramatic to her as it is to us seeing her in the first time after years. And going under the knife? It might be nothing to some but to others that's a pretty big deal. I do understand and empathise with those who do put themselves through it and the natural yearning for eternal youth, I'm absolutely not criticising those who do, but I also understand why people don't want to as well, and Christine obviously doesn't feel the need at this time in her life.
It amuses me that there is never anyone going on about how Mick, John or Lindsey need surgery, yet they all look their age. It's such a double standard. And Christine isn't even in the public eye anymore, if she doesn't want surgery then shouldn't we respect that? And there's always the possibility she would get surgery and look awful, as a lot of people do, would she feel so great about herself then? Let her grow old gracefully how she wants.
BTW, I have 21 digits.

And yeah, if she doesn't care about it, that's totally her choice. I was just saying, if it was me... Now, that said, I have NO idea how painful a facelift or whatnot might be, or how long recovery might be. Anyone had one, or have a Mom or someone you can ask?

[HomerMcvie]

I think she did fight it while in the public eye but now she's retired she probably doesn't feel the need. But I do think she probably looks much better than that when she's dolled up. And that blog is hilarious. :D

Also, I just want you and Homer to know, I don't mean to pick on anyone, I just enjoy arguing :laugh:
We're good, Sharon. I don't care if she has surgery, but, for me, HONESTLY, that picture bothers me. As the most influential musician in my life, for my lifetime, I don't like to see her looking OLD. It bothers me. I'd rather think of her in the 1970's and 80's. Although she looked great for the VH-1 ITM interview!

From my own point of view, I can't begin to tell you, the difference in people's perception of me, and the AMOUNT of positive attention that I now get, just from dropping weight, and being thin, for the first time in my life. I'm serious, it's almost overwhelming. And after experiencing this change, I can't imagine ever not caring about my weight, ever again. When you're used to never getting a second glance, and all of the sudden getting noticed on a regular basis, well, it's really life altering, at least for me.

But, Christine always did shun attention anyway, so maybe she really just doesn't give a f*kc. :wavey:

[HejiraNYC]

Ask yourself how you would look in that situation. Have you ever had your picture taken went you weren't expecting it and didn't want it?

Gail

Well, for one thing, I would not go out of the house looking that unassembled. I would have perhaps worn darker sunglasses, worn a hat, put on a scarf, etc. And if I had ears like that I would have had them covered up!

Nevertheless, if I saw someone surreptitiously trying to take my picture when I'm in that state, I would lift my chin, turn my head so my good side faces the camera and at least attempt a half-smile- just try to make the best of a bad situation. But then again, if I had Christine's money, I would pay someone to walk the dogs so I wouldn't have to bother with the nuisance of rolling out of bed at the ass-crack of dawn every morning.

[ButterCookie]

And if I had ears like that I would have had them covered up!

Ouch. That one hurt personally. I've been avoiding this thread since the argument about Christine's personal business started but ear jibes hurt.

[seekerj]

Well, for one thing, I would not go out of the house looking that unassembled. I would have perhaps worn darker sunglasses, worn a hat, put on a scarf, etc. And if I had ears like that I would have had them covered up!

Nevertheless, if I saw someone surreptitiously trying to take my picture when I'm in that state, I would lift my chin, turn my head so my good side faces the camera and at least attempt a half-smile- just try to make the best of a bad situation. But then again, if I had Christine's money, I would pay someone to walk the dogs so I wouldn't have to bother with the nuisance of rolling out of bed at the ass-crack of dawn every morning.

Well, some people love their dogs and actually enjoy walking them and spending time with them. They don't see it as a nuisance. Having money wouldn't change that. And if it would, then those people probably shouldn't have dogs in the first place.

Maybe Christine enjoys walking her dog. I like to think she does.

[Gailh]

Well, for one thing, I would not go out of the house looking that unassembled. I would have perhaps worn darker sunglasses, worn a hat, put on a scarf, etc. And if I had ears like that I would have had them covered up!

Nevertheless, if I saw someone surreptitiously trying to take my picture when I'm in that state, I would lift my chin, turn my head so my good side faces the camera and at least attempt a half-smile- just try to make the best of a bad situation. But then again, if I had Christine's money, I would pay someone to walk the dogs so I wouldn't have to bother with the nuisance of rolling out of bed at the ass-crack of dawn every morning.

She has the right to go out dressed in the way she feels most comfortable. She was walking the dogs not going to the bloody Grammys. I presume you would have had the presence of mind to lift your chin, turn your head and attempt a half smile in the time it takes for a camera shutter to fire? About 1/60 of one second at it's slowest.

She has dogs because she enjoys looking after them herself. She doesn't see them as an accessory.

Gail

[Meowi]

This is just stupid.
I think everyone in the village should just leave her alone. It's not fair for Christine, I mean she's been through alot of things, and she must be very tired! I have no idea, why they call this nasty man a celebrity, because he surely isn't one compared to Chris.
I can totally see why she wants her privacy! :D

[michelej1]

Of course it's a double standard. Nobody gives Mick grief about his protruding beer gut, but if Stevie sported such a protuberance, people would ask her when she was due.

I don't care about Mick and John's look, but a pot belly on Lindsey would send me into a major depression. I did suffer some melancholia about his Dance look, but I got over it, because I was so happy to see them all together.

But it's true, I'd rather they looked their age than look like a freak show. Kenny Rogers, Burt Reynolds . . . that's criminal. And even bad botox is horrible. I'd rather see the wrinkles than see those distorted, bloated botox faces that are floating around all over the place.

As for Chris, I think if she ever did do something public again, she'd probably take steps to curb the sagging flesh around the jowl. Since she's had work done in the past, I gather appearance is somewhat important to her. I think that's great. I'd be perfectly open to plastic surgery too, except I still cry when I get shots . . . so I don't have the stamina for it, but I do have the ego.

Michele

[michelej1]

Ouch. That one hurt personally. I've been avoiding this thread since the argument about Christine's personal business started but ear jibes hurt.

That bit actually made me laugh. It reminded me of a Judy Lewis film clip I saw of her mom, Loretta Young, running down a road trying to cover her "adopted" baby's giant ears with a bonnet, because she didn't want the world to know the kid was actually Clark Gable's.

Michele

[Gailh]

I'd hazard a guess that she's pleased she doesn't have make an effort to look absolutely fabulous any more.

gail

[macfan 57]

I wasn't originally going to post in this thread, but I'll go ahead now anyway.:) It's nice to see a new photo of Chris, even if she does look older. She looks normal to me for someone who is nearing 70, which she is. I don't like the circumstances in how this picture was taken. She was obviously angry at the invasion of her privacy. No wonder she looks grumpy. I would too.

I think it's ridiculous to want her to get plastic surgery. She's obviously had it before, years ago. Now that she's completely retired, she may have come to terms with & accepted the wrinkles. Some celebrities who have had work done, look horrible. She looks normal for a woman of her age. Surgery is never risk free & is probably painful.

As far as paying someone to walk her dogs, that's ridiculous too. I'm sure she enjoys walking her dogs herself. I love walking my dog & he loves it too. It's a great way to bond with your dog. If you don't want to take the time to take care of your dog, then you shouldn't have a dog in the first place.

[Gailh]

I wasn't originally going to post in this thread, but I'll go ahead now anyway.:) It's nice to see a new photo of Chris, even if she does look older. She looks normal to me for someone who is nearing 70, which she is. I don't like the circumstances in how this picture was taken. She was obviously angry at the invasion of her privacy. No wonder she looks grumpy. I would too.

I think it's ridiculous to want her to get plastic surgery. She's obviously had it before, years ago. Now that she's completely retired, she may have come to terms with & accepted the wrinkles. Some celebrities who have had work done, look horrible. She looks normal for a woman of her age. Surgery is never risk free & is probably painful.

As far as paying someone to walk her dogs, that's ridiculous too. I'm sure she enjoys walking her dogs herself. I love walking my dog & he loves it too. It's a great way to bond with your dog. If you don't want to take the time to take care of your dog, then you shouldn't have a dog in the first place.



Well said Mary Anne - nice to see you back
Gail

[ButterCookie]

That bit actually made me laugh. It reminded me of a Judy Lewis film clip I saw of her mom, Loretta Young, running down a road trying to cover her "adopted" baby's giant ears with a bonnet, because she didn't want the world to know the kid was actually Clark Gable's.

Michele

Try getting bullied as a kid :( It's quite upsetting, that's all. I don't get it any more, but to have someone poke the same kinda jibe at someone I love and respect is not what I wanna read. (I'm not trying to start anything, by the way, just explaining my reasoning :) )

I get excited when a new thread or post comes up in this part of the Ledge, because Chris' solo forum seems a bit neglected, especially compared to Stevie's, so when I do and it's all negative bickering, I want to stay as far away as possible. Who the hell are we to tell Christine McVie how she should and should not dress?! Anyone wanting to give her a hard time about walking her effing dog, go out and make as many albums and as much money as her then come back here and say how she should look.

[Gailh]

I get excited when a new thread or post comes up in this part of the Ledge, because Chris' solo forum seems a bit neglected, especially compared to Stevie's, so when I do and it's all negative bickering, I want to stay as far away as possible. Who the hell are we to tell Christine McVie how she should and should not dress?! Anyone wanting to give her a hard time about walking her effing dog, go out and make as many albums and as much money as her then come back here and say how she should look.

Well said.

Gail

[michelej1]

Try getting bullied as a kid :( It's quite upsetting, that's all.

Oh, I got bullied as a kid, but not about my ears.

Michele

[HejiraNYC]

Geez... so many people get bruised up like bananas around here! I will be the first to admit that every time I leave my apartment, even if it's just to run downstairs to grab a cup of coffee to go, I do feel like I need to pull myself together before I walk out the door. I don't know if it's a New York thing, or if it's just a Me thing, but considering all of the people walking around outside on the street, and the probability of running into acquaintances, I just feel like I have to put my best foot forward every time I go out. I dread the thought of being out somewhere looking a hot mess, and running into someone I haven't seen in a long time, and making them wonder whether I have completely lost it. I'm far, far, far (did I say far?) from being a beauty pageant contestant, but I do try to make the best of the bad hand I was dealt.

Okay, I understand why Stevie and Christine look so (relatively) rough when they are off-stage. Surely there is a lot of work involved to get stage/camera-ready. But in Christine's case, she seems to almost go out of her way to look dowdy. It doesn't mean that she is any less of a person or that she is a menace to society. But if she gets pissed off when she sees unflattering pictures of herself in the tabloids, she has to take some of the responsibility for that.

[HomerMcvie]

Well said Mary Anne - nice to see you back
Gail

Me too. Mary Anne, you're one of the reasons I came back, and you're rarely here anymore.:(

And I wasn't demanding Christine do anything. I HATE aging. In me. In Christine. In general. Getting old sucks! I wish it didn't bother me, seeing bad, older pics of her, but it does. She's my hero, and I hate seeing that she's only human. :shocked:

I wanna go out looking like Burt Reynolds! :lol:

[David]

Geez... so many people get bruised up like bananas around here! I will be the first to admit that every time I leave my apartment, even if it's just to run downstairs to grab a cup of coffee to go, I do feel like I need to pull myself together before I walk out the door. I don't know if it's a New York thing, or if it's just a Me thing, but considering all of the people walking around outside on the street, and the probability of running into acquaintances, I just feel like I have to put my best foot forward every time I go out.
Sometimes, when I run out to the grocery or the post office, I go commando. But sometimes I get nervous even doing that because what if I get in a car accident & they have to take me to the emergency room?

[michelej1]

Sometimes, when I run out to the grocery or the post office, I go commando. But sometimes I get nervous even doing that because what if I get in a car accident & they have to take me to the emergency room?

At least you wouldn't be in dirty underwear.

Michele

[HejiraNYC]

Sometimes, when I run out to the grocery or the post office, I go commando. But sometimes I get nervous even doing that because what if I get in a car accident & they have to take me to the emergency room?

Don't worry... it looks like your "airbags" will protect you in an accident.

http://thepreppyprincess.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/528115739_3453b229aa.jpg

[Gailh]

Geez... so many people get bruised up like bananas around here! I will be the first to admit that every time I leave my apartment, even if it's just to run downstairs to grab a cup of coffee to go, I do feel like I need to pull myself together before I walk out the door. I don't know if it's a New York thing, or if it's just a Me thing, but considering all of the people walking around outside on the street, and the probability of running into acquaintances, I just feel like I have to put my best foot forward every time I go out. I dread the thought of being out somewhere looking a hot mess, and running into someone I haven't seen in a long time, and making them wonder whether I have completely lost it. I'm far, far, far (did I say far?) from being a beauty pageant contestant, but I do try to make the best of the bad hand I was dealt.

Okay, I understand why Stevie and Christine look so (relatively) rough when they are off-stage. Surely there is a lot of work involved to get stage/camera-ready. But in Christine's case, she seems to almost go out of her way to look dowdy. It doesn't mean that she is any less of a person or that she is a menace to society. But if she gets pissed off when she sees unflattering pictures of herself in the tabloids, she has to take some of the responsibility for that.

You have the right to get yourself sorted before you got out but you seemed to be suggesting that Christine had to do that as well.

She's now at the age where she thinks "this is me - deal with it or sod off"

I'm sure she's glad not to have to get the slap on before she goes out to walk the dogs. I'm sure she was pissed off but only at having her privacy invaded.

Gail

[HejiraNYC]

I'm sure she's glad not to have to get the slap on before she goes out to walk the dogs. I'm sure she was pissed off but only at having her privacy invaded.

Gail

Christine doesnt' have to do anything. But it's one thing if she was photographed walking around on her property- that is truly an invasion of her privacy. But if she is walking around town like that with her dogs, she is fair game for the paps. So if she is out and about in public, she should probably consider the fact that people will want to take her picture, especially in a tabloid-crazed country like the UK, and get herself sorted (just a little bit) before she goes out. And unfortunately, the more reclusive she becomes, the more likely people will be clamoring to take her pic. Her desire for privacy seems to only inflame the curious.

[Gailh]

Christine doesnt' have to do anything. But it's one thing if she was photographed walking around on her property- that is truly an invasion of her privacy. But if she is walking around town like that with her dogs, she is fair game for the paps. So if she is out and about in public, she should probably consider the fact that people will want to take her picture, especially in a tabloid-crazed country like the UK, and get herself sorted (just a little bit) before she goes out. And unfortunately, the more reclusive she becomes, the more likely people will be clamoring to take her pic. Her desire for privacy seems to only inflame the curious.

I would imagine that one of the reasons that she moved back to a quiet village like Wickhambreaux is that she could walk around without having some paparazzo shove his camera up her nose. As she's retired any unwanted photo is an invasion of her privacy (IMO)

Gail

[michelej1]

I would imagine that one of the reasons that she moved back to a quiet village like Wickhambreaux is that she could walk around without having some paparazzo shove his camera up her nose. As she's retired any unwanted photo is an invasion of her privacy (IMO)

Gail

I don't know that as far as picture taking goes, people should draw the line between retired celebrity and working celebrity or not. Then, again, I don't know if people should be taking pictures of celebrities anyway. I mean, I do take pictures at concerts, but if I saw someone on the street, I'd feel wrong about doing it, which is not to say I haven't . . . I snuck pictures of Jack Wagner in an airport once, when his back was turned.

But I agree with you about Wickhambreaux, given its small size and location. Your expectations about being left alone there are not the same as they would be when you're in London. And this picture is a rarity. Christine has been going around there for over 10 years now and this is the only picture we've seen like this. So, they do mostly seem to leave her alone and that's what she's come to expect.

She's probably not ashamed of the picture, just irritated at having people jump out at her unexpectedly like that. Frankly, I'm happy to get news about Christine anytime, whether she likes it or not. I'm more concerned about me than about her, which is why I'd be thrilled to have her working again to please me, forget her happiness!

Still, those TMZ-esque photographers should be hung. Really, I'm not a Dennis Hopper fan, but he's dying of cancer and he was only recently telling how he fell and hit his head because a photographer called out his name and he turned, thinking it was a friend. He lost his balance and fell hard. The fact that these people get away with stalking a dying man just to get a pic they can emblazon on their tabloid covers is appalling.


Michele

[HejiraNYC]

I would imagine that one of the reasons that she moved back to a quiet village like Wickhambreaux is that she could walk around without having some paparazzo shove his camera up her nose. As she's retired any unwanted photo is an invasion of her privacy (IMO)

Gail

Well, whether we want it or not, we are constantly under surveillance out in public. Every time we go to the store, cross the street, go to the bank, etc. Am I glad that paps are hunting down Christine? Absolutely not. Are the paps breaking the law? No. Do I want to see recent pictures of Christine? Hells yeah! Yeah, I know that's not good for Christine, but that's just reality- life isn't always fair or just.

[macfan 57]

Me too. Mary Anne, you're one of the reasons I came back, and you're rarely here anymore.:(

And I wasn't demanding Christine do anything. I HATE aging. In me. In Christine. In general. Getting old sucks! I wish it didn't bother me, seeing bad, older pics of her, but it does. She's my hero, and I hate seeing that she's only human. :shocked:

I wanna go out looking like Burt Reynolds! :lol:

Hi David, and Gail too.:) I wasn't picking on you, David. I was just a little surprised that you wanted Chris to get plastic surgery. I know you love Chris & it was probably a shock seeing her look her age, just like everybody else.

Anyway, it's nice to see you back too.:D I'm still around, just not as much as before.

[MacMan]

Still, those TMZ-esque photographers should be hung. Really, I'm not a Dennis Hopper fan, but he's dying of cancer and he was only recently telling how he fell and hit his head because a photographer called out his name and he turned, thinking it was a friend. He lost his balance and fell hard. The fact that these people get away with stalking a dying man just to get a pic they can emblazon on their tabloid covers is appalling.
Michele

I saw pics of him getting his Star in Hollywood and with the bandages on... It was sad to see him looking that way, nice that he's being recognized though... and I'd read where he said he fell, but didn't realize it was because of the photographers... That's ****ty!

[HomerMcvie]

Hi David, and Gail too.:) I wasn't picking on you, David. I was just a little surprised that you wanted Chris to get plastic surgery. I know you love Chris & it was probably a shock seeing her look her age, just like everybody else.

Anyway, it's nice to see you back too.:D I'm still around, just not as much as before.

That's it, I was just shocked by the pic. Superwoman isn't allowed to get old.

And yeah, I totally understand why you're not here much anymore. Me, too! Now that Chris is out of the picture, there's not much reason for you or me! BUT, I stay here for the Ledgie family, not FM without Chris!!!

[MacMan]

Video of the evil fence in question:

Wickhambreaux and Seaton villagers fight for access to marshland as new land owners fence off access (http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentish_gazette/news/2010/march/18/seaton_fences.aspx)

[michelej1]

Video of the evil fence in question:

Wickhambreaux and Seaton villagers fight for access to marshland as new land owners fence off access (http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentish_gazette/news/2010/march/18/seaton_fences.aspx)

No offense to the villagers, but that ain't much of a river, from what I could see. Maybe it's flowing and robust in other segments, but the part I saw was pitiful. They ought to be glad to be denied access to it. I could make them a better river in my backyard.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

Did anyone else search Christine, on the Gazette's search engine? It's about Mick's blues band, and mentions that Mick hoped to take Chris to lunch:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/newsarchive.aspx?articleid=49976

[michelej1]

Did anyone else search Christine, on the Gazette's search engine? It's about Mick's blues band, and mentions that Mick hoped to take Chris to lunch:
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/newsarchive.aspx?articleid=49976

At first there was talk that Mick and the band might be laying up at Christine's house. But in the end he was reduced to hoping to take her to lunch. Sigh. At least we know she attended the concert.

I had not seen this article and thank you for posting, because I had been wanting to know how Ruby was doing. He says that she is totally ok now. I wondered if she had suffered any brain damage. It's a relief to think she didn't. He said he encourages everyone to learn CPR. I wonder if he knows it. If he doesn't after making that comment, I think his pony tail should be snipped.

Michele

[HomerMcvie]

At first there was talk that Mick and the band might be laying up at Christine's house. But in the end he was reduced to hoping to take her to lunch. Sigh. At least we know she attended the concert.

I had not seen this article and thank you for posting, because I had been wanting to know how Ruby was doing. He says that she is totally ok now. I wondered if she had suffered any brain damage. It's a relief to think she didn't. He said he encourages everyone to learn CPR. I wonder if he knows it. If he doesn't after making that comment, I think his pony tail should be snipped.

Michele

I suspect the last thing Christine wants, is a bunch of dirty musicians, and Mick (that's a drummer joke) in her house!

And I'll bet anyone $50, that Mick doesn't know CPR.

[Gailh]

I suspect the last thing Christine wants, is a bunch of dirty musicians, and Mick (that's a drummer joke) in her house!


Question: What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
Answer: A drummer

There was talk that Mick and his band would be staying at Christine's when they played Canterbury.

I said at the time she'd better get some rules in place:

No girls or alcohol in their rooms
Cash in advance (it is Mick Fleetwood we're talking about here)

Perhaps the rules were too much for Mick and lunch was as far as it went. I wonder if she paid :lol:

She did go to the concert and Mick gave her a mention as far as I know but not by name - "You know who you are"

Gail

[HomerMcvie]

Question: What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
Answer: A drummer

There was talk that Mick and his band would be staying at Christine's when they played Canterbury.

I said at the time she'd better get some rules in place:

No girls or alcohol in their rooms
Cash in advance (it is Mick Fleetwood we're talking about here)

Perhaps the rules were too much for Mick and lunch was as far as it went. I wonder if she paid :lol:

She did go to the concert and Mick gave her a mention as far as I know but not by name - "You know who you are"

Gail
How do you know when there's a drummer at your door?







You can smell the pizza!

I see Gail, that you have the exact same opinion of Mick, as I! While I'm sure he's a nice guy, Einstein he ain't! Let's call him, a master of poor life choices! :D

[aleuzzi]

How do you know when there's a drummer at your door?

You can smell the pizza!

I see Gail, that you have the exact same opinion of Mick, as I! While I'm sure he's a nice guy, Einstein he ain't! Let's call him, a master of poor life choices! :D

Hey, for all of Mick's ruinous love affairs and poor personal money management issues, he did effectively manage the world's most famous band for 5-6 years, while playing great drums on stage, while expertly manipulating members of the band to join, re-join, and commit to rigorous tours even if they weren't initially game. That says a lot for him. I also think Christine adores him as a true friend. She has never made any other comments to the contrary.

[Gailh]

Hey, for all of Mick's ruinous love affairs and poor personal money management issues, he did effectively manage the world's most famous band for 5-6 years, while playing great drums on stage, while expertly manipulating members of the band to join, re-join, and commit to rigorous tours even if they weren't initially game. That says a lot for him. I also think Christine adores him as a true friend. She has never made any other comments to the contrary.

I'm sure Christine does adore him - they have been through a lot together.

Mick is the single reason why FM has kept going for so long. While Mick is still breathing there will be a FM. Sometimes I think he almost wants it too much and will do whatever it takes to get an FM album out even if that probably wasn't the right decision

Gail

[michelej1]

Hey, for all of Mick's ruinous love affairs and poor personal money management issues, he did effectively manage the world's most famous band for 5-6 years, while playing great drums on stage, while expertly manipulating members of the band to join, re-join, and commit to rigorous tours even if they weren't initially game. That says a lot for him. I also think Christine adores him as a true friend. She has never made any other comments to the contrary.

Certainly, everyone in the band loves Mick.

He's mercenary. He's manipulative, but he's also a loyal and loving person. He's kept FM going and he is the one who makes it a point to keep up with past band members. Only Mick would form the MFBB, get Rick Vito to join as lead and travel around the world playing music from FM's very beginnings.

Christine said that there's not a day that goes by when she doesn't think of Mick and John and when she talks of him losing his money and sleeping on an old mattress on the floor of someone's basement, I think that memory of him hurt her very much. His pain was hers.

I think the bit when he collected her from the piano after Songbird and they kissed was very genuine and representative of their enduring affection.

Michele

[Fleetwoodmark]

Can anybody post the pic,

The link doesn't work now :-(

[ButterCookie]

I just found the real photographs but I have to sign up to Rexfeatures to get the full sizes. They're tiny, but for now, it's the best I can do.

[DefDumbandBlond]

I just found the real photographs but I have to sign up to Rexfeatures to get the full sizes. They're tiny, but for now, it's the best I can do.

Anyone have a Rex account? ;)

[ButterCookie]

No need now. When I want something, I get it.

http://i41.tinypic.com/11i2zw7.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/1h8eq9.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/ru0ivl.jpg

[michelej1]

These are great to have Buttercookie. They are better than the magazine shots. Thanks for finding them.

Michele

[ButterCookie]

You're very welcome :D I did notice only the one dog lead, though :/

[HejiraNYC]

You're very welcome :D I did notice only the one dog lead, though :/

You rock, BC! :xoxo: Color definitely looks much better than B&W, which has a tendency to exaggerate any flaws. From what I can tell, it looks like Christine could still clean up quite nicely if she wanted to. Thankfully she isn't walking around with a cigarette dangling from her free hand!

As for the leash, I think the answer is: the dog. :p

[macfan 57]

You're very welcome :D I did notice only the one dog lead, though :/

Thank you for the color pictures! They do look better in color.:thumbsup:

Since there's only 1 dog leash, maybe one of her dogs has died. I think she's had them for quite a while.

[ButterCookie]

I'd hope not, but if she's had them a long while, it's inevitable :(

[Gailh]

You rock, BC! :xoxo: Color definitely looks much better than B&W, which has a tendency to exaggerate any flaws. From what I can tell, it looks like Christine could still clean up quite nicely if she wanted to. Thankfully she isn't walking around with a cigarette dangling from her free hand!

As for the leash, I think the answer is: the dog. :p

Her ears look better in colour then? ;)

Gail

[michelej1]

Maybe she finds if she has more than one dog out at a time on a leash, they take her for a walk. So, they have to go in intervals.

Michele

[jbrownsjr]

Oh wow... this makes me miss her so much... I love her music...

[Gailh]

Maybe she finds if she has more than one dog out at a time on a leash, they take her for a walk. So, they have to go in intervals.

Michele

Maybe she's got one of those leads that does for two dogs

Gail

[ButterCookie]

I hope so :)

[billwebster]

She's really looking good in these pictures. It's very wise of her to stay away from voluntary trips to the hospital, which is what cosmetic surgery would be.
She looks healthy and fit, which I think is wonderful. Yes, she looks her age, but who doesn't?

I hope she still plays the piano at home. It would be wonderful to hear some new music from her, especially if it's bluesy barrelhouse piano stuff.

I cannot comment on the village politics but the initial article that started this thread reads just like some attention grabbing scribe with no sense of taste and not much politeness wrote it.

[louielouie2000]

Geez... so many people get bruised up like bananas around here! I will be the first to admit that every time I leave my apartment, even if it's just to run downstairs to grab a cup of coffee to go, I do feel like I need to pull myself together before I walk out the door. I don't know if it's a New York thing, or if it's just a Me thing, but considering all of the people walking around outside on the street, and the probability of running into acquaintances, I just feel like I have to put my best foot forward every time I go out. I dread the thought of being out somewhere looking a hot mess, and running into someone I haven't seen in a long time, and making them wonder whether I have completely lost it. I'm far, far, far (did I say far?) from being a beauty pageant contestant, but I do try to make the best of the bad hand I was dealt.

Okay, I understand why Stevie and Christine look so (relatively) rough when they are off-stage. Surely there is a lot of work involved to get stage/camera-ready. But in Christine's case, she seems to almost go out of her way to look dowdy. It doesn't mean that she is any less of a person or that she is a menace to society. But if she gets pissed off when she sees unflattering pictures of herself in the tabloids, she has to take some of the responsibility for that.

I think that's probably the difference between an urban and a more suburban person. I know if I lived in Manhattan I'd probably be like you and be super guarded about the way I looked... but for those of us in less densely populated areas, it's so much easier and nicer just to walk our pups while looking like total ass. There's a certain satisfaction to it, even. I mean, I live barely 2 miles from 60+ story buildings, but I can get away with walking my pup without having to see a single person. I'm even known to take my dog out only wearing my skivvies in the wee hours. Christine is in a far, far more rural area than me even... so I give her total allowance to look like whatever she wants. :thumbsup:

[Bryan]

Found higher quality image of Chris from last year

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/7572/cmv.jpg (http://img853.imageshack.us/i/cmv.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[kick.inside]

Hmmm the quality doesn't look any better, it just looks blown up. See how it's all pixel-y? Yeah.
I wish there were a GOOD recent picture of her. One where she wasn't caught off guard outside or anything, I mean. I'd really love to know how she looks these days.

[Bryan]

Hmmm the quality doesn't look any better, it just looks blown up. See how it's all pixel-y? Yeah.
I wish there were a GOOD recent picture of her. One where she wasn't caught off guard outside or anything, I mean. I'd really love to know how she looks these days.

:rolleyes:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AGPrjH5BwHY/TSvFeuV-VJI/AAAAAAAAIwU/eyFeXuMVnjA/s1600/Christine+McVie+March+2010+at+home.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AGPrjH5BwHY/TSvFg4c3fHI/AAAAAAAAIwY/vWjrraHT4RA/s1600/Christine+McVie+March+2010+at+home+1.jpg

Better quality than what was posted at least. Nothing's ever good enough 'round here:lol:

[HomerMcvie]

I never noticed that the lease says, "one of us has NO balls".:lol:

[michelej1]

I never noticed that the lease says, "one of us has NO balls".:lol:

Hilarious. Good eye. And we know Christine's dog has been spayed.

Michele

[ButterCookie]

I found that leash in my local pet store!!!!!!!!

Mum wouldn't let me buy it :( I was gutted because my dog looks EXACTLY like Christine's!

[kick.inside]

I found that leash in my local pet store!!!!!!!!

Mum wouldn't let me buy it :( I was gutted because my dog looks EXACTLY like Christine's!

He's very cute :)

[jbrownsjr]

I found that leash in my local pet store!!!!!!!!

Mum wouldn't let me buy it :( I was gutted because my dog looks EXACTLY like Christine's!

post a pic..