Let's grade the CV tour

[Rickypt]

Now that Stevie has officially closed the Crystal Visions tour at the Vegas shoe show, let's give the tour a grade. You can use any criteria you wish, but try to include: setlist, vocals, appearance, energy, costumes, choice of venues, etc.

There aren't enough poll choices to include pluses and minuses (i.e., a B+), but you can clarify in your post.

I give it a B-. Had she included a couple of new songs then it would have been an A- because her vocals were stunning and she was full of energy. In order for her to get an A, she'd have to start playing better venues than the sheds. But that's just me. I also had to knock off some points for missing a grand opportunity to duet with Eye Sack.

[strandinthewind]

^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:

[UnwindedDreams]

NYC???

Why am I puzzled at that?

[strandinthewind]

NYC???

Why am I puzzled at that?

Oops -- I meant her NYC (Jones Beach) finery and bravery!

[BlackWidow]

..don't get me started.

[wolfontherun]

Now that Stevie has officially closed the Crystal Visions tour at the Vegas shoe show, let's give the tour a grade. You can use any criteria you wish, but try to include: setlist, vocals, appearance, energy, costumes, choice of venues, etc.

There aren't enough poll choices to include pluses and minuses (i.e., a B+), but you can clarify in your post.

I give it a B-. Had she included a couple of new songs then it would have been an A- because her vocals were stunning and she was full of energy. In order for her to get an A, she'd have to start playing better venues than the sheds. But that's just me. I also had to knock off some points for missing a grand opportunity to duet with Eye Sack.


B for me. Loved loved loved her vocals, the band was tighter than I had ever heard them to be. She looked marvelous.

It would have been an A if she had thrown in some new and or obscure stuff.

[SortaSavageLike]

..don't get me started.

Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

[foxyluva]

B. The only thing I didn't like was the setlist - but I have learned to live with it now...

[foxyluva]

Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

Thank you! I think he thinks it is cool and funny to be so critical of Stevie :shrug:

[BlackWidow]

Thank you! I think he thinks it is cool and funny to be so critical of Stevie :shrug:

gays. ruin. everything.

[BlackWidow]

Why not? It's all we ever hear out of you anymore.

"...when you hang up that phone..well you cease to exist."

[foxyluva]

gays. ruin. everything.

Wow, taking something I made up and turning it back on me. Good one :rolleyes:

[SortaSavageLike]

gays. ruin. everything.

I don't think they can hear sounds below 2,000 hz, either. :wavey:

[BlackWidow]

***Crickets***

[foxyluva]

***Crickets***

Another classic line. Where do you come up with this stuff?

[HejiraNYC]

She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

[JazmenFlowers]

B. The only thing I didn't like was the setlist - but I have learned to live with it now...
yep.
Wow, taking something I made up and turning it back on me. Good one :rolleyes:
I totally lol'd.
She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B
omg. lol. get outta my head.

[Macfanforever]

Ok all ,here's my Stevie's CV tour, report card, I did not care about the set list.I just want to hear that beautiful voice, Live.But I agree with all of you on a better selection and alot less time on the opening act, on a opening performance should run about 30 to 45 minutes and not longer.



Out of 7 shows In order as I seen them,
1 Holmdel "A-" First time I heard Eye sack, He was good ,But his set was way too Long.also they should do some duets on this tour,like Don did,
2 Jones Beach "A", This show was a nightmare that went good.Do to the tides
and it was the first time I got to Shake Stevie's hand.
3 Camden NJ "A-", The show it self was good,It would been the second time
to get a chance to shake Stevie's hand.but she reconize my face and waved and smiled at me.that was good enough for me.Do to stage setup, the amp wiring on stage right was a trip hazzard for Stevie to come all the way to the end.Yea Stevie's safety comes first.
4 Atlantic City "A-", This show was good. I had crappy seats do to fan noise and a drunk bozo jumping up and down next to me, could not get down front for the edge walk..on the plus side I'd had a chance to chat with Cornell Thigpin before the show.
5 Mansfield MA "A+" , This show was the best, The security was nice, A firm hand shake from Stevie,It was worth loosing $60 dollars for a last minute upgrade to 6 row seats from the last floor section 5.
6 Scranton PA "A", This show was good, It was nice to see Vanessa Carlton
for the first time, Eye Sacks set should be the same length as hers.
It would a been the forth chance to get a chance to shake Stevie's hand
but she and me could not reach.
7 Mohegan Sun "A", for the show," F" for the security at the fans,Stevie should told the security off like she did in 1989.no chance in hill to get up for the edge walk, do to security.

[steviefan59]

hi all...i gave it an A for 2 reasons...the tour came to canada for 3 days...stevie started with stand back and enchanted which really rocked the house imho...i agree she needs some new material for her shows but all in all it was a hell of a representation of "crystal visions cd/dvd"...take care...pat

[Fallfromgrace84]

I give this tour a B.
Sound, stage presence, band and venues weren't bad at all. Castro is THE percusionist IMO and Taku himself even put a high grade on his work. Stevie sounded great and even though the set list SUCKED it was nice to hear a few gems pollished.
IMO, as an Ohio resident, Youngstown was a poor choice. I understand she obviously is getting tired and wanted a smaller tour, but her past appearances here held more people and brought in much more money. She typically plays 2-3 shows here and a small venue in "the sticks" was just different. Either way... she still rocks.

[danax6]

^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:Yes, completely agree. That remains my favorite show of this tour. What a trooper. :cool:

And I gave it a B also. I'm with Hejira 100%.

[Hawkeye]

^^^

I agreed with you on all points. AND - her NYC alone kept it from being a mere C+ :eek:

I can't get over how so many think it was the highlight of the tour that Stevie got COLD and put on a COAT! what bravery Stevie :laugh: personally I think the Jones Beach footage was some of Stevie's lesser performances of the CV tour. The How Still My Love Carrie posted is way better then the JB one.

[MacMan]

IMO, as an Ohio resident, Youngstown was a poor choice. I understand she obviously is getting tired and wanted a smaller tour, but her past appearances here held more people and brought in much more money. She typically plays 2-3 shows here and a small venue in "the sticks" was just different. Either way... she still rocks.

She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori (http://www.nicksfix.com/SingerPage/singers/ask_lori.html)

[strandinthewind]

I can't get over how so many think it was the highlight of the tour that Stevie got COLD and put on a COAT! what bravery Stevie :laugh: personally I think the Jones Beach footage was some of Stevie's lesser performances of the CV tour. The How Still My Love Carrie posted is way better then the JB one.

Well, it was very cold and raining, a situation less than desirable for a singer, much less one who has gotten sick on many a tour in the past. So, that is why I credit her for that. I did not think the concert was any better or worse than any of the other CV tour shows, other than she was obviously miserable. But, to each their own :cool:

[strandinthewind]

She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori (http://www.nicksfix.com/SingerPage/singers/ask_lori.html)

I think that is true in that she wants the large bucks and the promoters who pay them. I think she could go with a less promoter and lesser people around her and playt what the hell she wanted. But, I cannot blame her for not fixing what ain't broken :shrug:

[AliceLover]

Clothes - B+/A- (They were really great, but she didn't wear enough shawls.)

Voice - A (At this point, she is really shining vocally with all the adlibs and stuff. She sounded consistently good throughout the whole tour.

Set/Show - F Same f*cking show Ive been listening to for the past 2 years.

She really upped the ante but she didn't change a thing. Watching those CV DVD's has been awful. I am SO SICK of those songs.

I gave the tour a D. I had a fun time at my show, but she really didn't win me over on this one.

[gldstwmn]

Oops -- I meant her NYC (Jones Beach) finery and bravery!

Agreed. That needs to happen way more often.

[BlackWidow]

Another classic line. Where do you come up with this stuff?

be careful little girl....:lol:

[PenguinHead]

She pretty much doesn't decide where she wants to play, that's determined by the promoters, booking agents and her managers... Ask Lori (http://www.nicksfix.com/SingerPage/singers/ask_lori.html)

Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull! If Stevie wanted, she could chose to perform whatever she wanted...if she still wanted to be considered an artist. Many bands/artists play whatever they want. Stevie, somehow, clings to the notion that she has to always play certain songs (aka Dreams!) and bow to sales figures to determine her set list. If there is any point in her career in which she could take chances and stretch out a bit, it's now! The chance of reclaiming the hit single career she had in the past is over. But now she has an established credibility and the power pursue new endevors without the pressure to prove herself. Instead, she chooses to coast on the past, becoming an interpreter of her past, or worse, a parody.

[BlackWidow]

Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull! If Stevie wanted, she could chose to perform whatever she wanted...if she still wanted to be considered an artist. Many bands/artists play whatever they want. Stevie, somehow, clings to the notion that she has to always play certain songs (aka Dreams!) and bow to sales figures to determine her set list. If there is any point in her career in which she could take chances and stretch out a bit, it's now! The chance of reclaiming the hit single career she had in the past is over. But now she has an established credibility and the power pursue new endevors without the pressure to prove herself. Instead, she chooses to coast on the past, becoming an interpreter of her past, or worse, a parody.

Oh SNAP!!!:laugh:

[strandinthewind]

Oh SNAP!!!:laugh:

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:

[JazmenFlowers]

Yeah, but that is a bunch of bull!
I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

[BlackWidow]

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:

You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

[strandinthewind]

You should pose that question to Penguinhead.

And not his peanut gallery :wavey:

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

[JazmenFlowers]

Interestingly, if you configured a gift basket that sold 10,000 units a month, would you ever change it until it stopped selling that many? I do not think you would no matter how fed up you were with it.

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same, though she has added new songs on every tour except for this one, just like you would add other stuff than those highly successful and unbroken 10,000 unit a month gift baskets :shrug:
apples and oranges.

oh look, a pun. :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

I would agree with that.

[BlackWidow]

And not his peanut gallery :wavey:

But, I herein submit it to PH as well.

you.funny.honey.:wavey:

[strandinthewind]

I think a lot of this goes back to Stevie being ill-advised. and I'm not disagreeing with pretty much anything you're saying, just sayin'. and I also understand the argument that Stevie's not stupid or can do her own thing or shouldn't hide behind that excuse yada yada yada...I get that. I just think she's been so sheltered and out of touch with reality her entire life that she still operates the way she did in the 70s and early 80s. she thinks it still works and it still does on some level, but not nearly enough to satisfy the rest of us.

But, the fact remains that her shows sell and sell well for an almost 60 year old artist who has not had a hit in a decade, despite several media blitzs and critical acclaim. I mean of her peers, she stands the tallest and her star shines the brightest - save for The Eagles and The Stones - and those are groups. I think La Nicks concert sales are better than Heart and all the others. So, her formula is working and people are pleased with her shows, which are about 8/14 commercial hits:

Outside The Rain (never a single)
Dreams (hit)
Rhiannon (hit)
Sorcerer (minor hit)
HSML (never a single)
Stand Back (hit)
If Anyone Falls (hit)
Stop Draggin (hit)
Gold Dust Woman (never a single)
Fall From Grace (never a single)
Landslide (hit)
Edge Of 17 (hit)
R&R (cover and not a hit - though she missed her chance to release it)
B&B (never a single)

In the end, I certainly wish she would change it up a bit and at least replace the non-hits with other non-hits -- but calling her out of touch or unpleasing to the fans is unsupported by the success of her solo shows. I think it is important to remember that the average fan (and there are way more of those than of us) wants to hear hits. So, I think her marketing is directly relevant to her audience.

Again, I think she whould change the set list dramatically, but I get why she does not. I think I would be scared to lose my audience as well, especially an audience that at my age is, at best, fickle.

[Phoenix]

She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

I agree with U compleetly. The boots, Lori bieng back, and her preformances of "How still My love" sealed it for me. and yeah, whos the new guy on the keyboards? he really does help to fill out the sound nicely. But yeah: B

[strandinthewind]

apples and oranges . . . .

Not really when you consider she wants to reach, for whatever reason, the largest audience possible with her live show. if she played all non hits, the attendence might go down and certainly the next time she came in town, the average fan might think twice about seeing her. So, she keeps selling that basket as unchanged as she can make it. But, she does still change it.

[JazmenFlowers]

But...
deary, I was just trying to explain why I think she doesn't change her setlist or do much more than tour her ass off. why I don't get really flipped out over the tired setlists, etc.

so, you see, ITAWYC.

[strandinthewind]

deary, I was just trying to explain why I think she doesn't change her setlist or do much more than tour her ass off. why I don't get really flipped out over the tired setlists, etc.

so, you see, ITAWYC.

Oops - never mind :sorry:

[JazmenFlowers]

Not really when you consider she wants to reach, for whatever reason, the largest audience possible with her live show. if she played all non hits, the attendence might go down and certainly the next time she came in town, the average fan might think twice about seeing her. So, she keeps selling that basket as unchanged as she can make it. But, she does still change it.
but you can't compare Andre's slapping some shit in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. and Stevie is a brand every bit as much as an artist. she's built a fanbase, albeit, cultish at times, based off certain things. when those things fade, the fans look for other reasons to stay interested. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift baskets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

ETA: sorry, I didn't respond to the other part of your post. yeah, you're right, the average fan may not really care to come listen to Storms or Julia or whatever, but you can damn well be sure that her hardcore fanbase would bust their asses supporting her and her music. if the average fan doesn't care about her artistry and her integrity then screw 'em. she's got her money. it's time to do what she and her hardcore fans want. I'm not going to continue to support an artist nearly as hard if I feel that they're just going through the motions and I don't see any creative spark at all. I used to not feel that way really, but I guess I've changed. I'm running out of ways to convince people that Stevie is still the queen of rock and roll. that's basically my point.

[Enchanted_Stevi]

I give it a high B so a B+...I liked the choice of venues even though she could have done more shows in the east and mid states...She was mostly in California and Vegas...Her merchandise was pretty good..I really like the shirts and stuff..BUT dont you think she could have taken some new pictures?!?! As much as I love the old ones I want new ones...Her setlist was pretty good..even though he got rid of FFG..which I LOVE

[Rickypt]

So, why fault La Nicks for doing essentially the same

Easily, because she is an artist and, at this point, shouldn't be so concerned with raking in the dough.

Edit: oh, I see Jaz has already basically made this point.

[strandinthewind]

but you can't compare Andre's slapping some shit in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift basets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

It did and I agree to a point. But, her concerts are still selling fairly well (some very well) - which I think is why the shows are half or so hits and the other songs never really seem to change for decades despite my wanting it to. In other words, playing the sheds appeals to many people and they are not all the same concert goers you assert, at least in the larger markets.

[strandinthewind]

Easily, because she is an artist and, at this point, shouldn't be so concerned with raking in the dough.

Edit: oh, I see Jaz has already basically made this point.

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.

[Rickypt]

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.

I agree with most of this. I think she tours for money and also to stay busy and because she loves being out on the road and performing. And, as I've said before, I understand that she needs to do the hits. It's the endless rehashing of non-hits and covers that I don't understand and that demonstrate a total lack of creativity and artistry.

I have to disagree that R&R is anything artistic. A straight forward remake of another song that doesn't include any kind of unique Stevie stamp to it except the dumb hat?

[BlackWidow]

but you can't compare Andre's slapping some shit in a basket (no offense Andre) to someone with Stevie's intense creative skills, wealth of material, powerful presence and image and vocal abilities. at least, not to me. and Stevie is a brand every bit as much as an artist. she's built a fanbase, albeit, cultish at times, based off certain things. when those things fade, the fans look for other reasons to stay interested. I agree with what you're trying to say, I'm just saying you can't compare someone that does something a monkey could do (again, no offense to monkeys) to something only 1% of the population can do and someone that has such a lavish lifestyle based on consistent support of a fanbase. gift baskets that sell 10,000 per month most likely go to different folks each month. Stevie's fans, however, are the same group of people forking out money each time for the same gift basket over and over and over. as much as I love dark chocolate, you can bet your ass I'd switch to savory treats after a couple months.

did any of that make sense?

ETA: sorry, I didn't respond to the other part of your post. yeah, you're right, the average fan may not really care to come listen to Storms or Julia or whatever, but you can damn well be sure that her hardcore fanbase would bust their asses supporting her and her music. if the average fan doesn't care about her artistry and her integrity then screw 'em. she's got her money. it's time to do what she and her hardcore fans want. I'm not going to continue to support an artist nearly as hard if I feel that they're just going through the motions and I don't see any creative spark at all. I used to not feel that way really, but I guess I've changed. I'm running out of ways to convince people that Stevie is still the queen of rock and roll. that's basically my point.

I know you loves you some dark chocolate and your savory treats...:xoxo:
You were correct on all accounts. If you ever need a job....lemme know.

[JazmenFlowers]

But, is that the sole motivation for her. Yes, she makes money, but she also likes touring. When she was with Petty, she was free and it showed. So, I think she likes taking her music to the people and she knows that to keep doing that, she must play at least half hits in her set. Again, it is working and working well as her shows sell despite her lack of commercial single viability.

On edit - I think she puts in her artistic stuff about once every year or so a la R&R and the Petty and Henley tours.
I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

[JazmenFlowers]

I agree with most of this. I think she tours for money and also to stay busy and because she loves being out on the road and performing. And, as I've said before, I understand that she needs to do the hits. It's the endless rehashing of non-hits and covers that I don't understand and that demonstrate a total lack of creativity and artistry.

I have to disagree that R&R is anything artistic. A straight forward remake of another song that doesn't include any kind of unique Stevie stamp to it except the dumb hat?
or hell, she can have the whole tour of rehashes, etc. as long as there is something for the hardcore fan to live for in the Stevie world. I think, collectively, we've had 10 or so different ideas of how Stevie could accomplish maintaining herself artisticly and creatively, while still going on these tours to make whatever amount of money it is she's looking to make.

oh and I love the hat buster! :lol:

[BlackWidow]

I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

I don't think she divides the two. A fan is a fan is a fan to her.
I really don't think she classifies the difference. Otherwise - her sets would be different. She is trying to keep everyone happy - and it never works.

[Rickypt]

I don't think she divides the two. A fan is a fan is a fan to her.

Agreed!


She is trying to keep everyone happy - and it never works.

I'm forever curious whom she is trying to keep happy with songs like Enchanted, I Need To Know, and Rock and Roll. This is where I stop thinking she's trying to please everyone and I start thinking she is either fearful, lazy, unimaginative, clueless, or some other adjective I hate applying to her.

The casual fans certainly don't come hoping to hear these songs and I'd wager that the majority of us hardcores don't either.

[Rickypt]

o I think, collectively, we've had 10 or so different ideas of how Stevie could accomplish maintaining herself artisticly and creatively, while still going on these tours to make whatever amount of money it is she's looking to make.


Let's type up those ideas and send to "Ask Stevie". :woohoo:

[foxyluva]

be careful little girl....:lol:

Be careful of what? And why are you laughing? :confused:

[mirror69]

Setlist: not better I give a Z (for me it's terrible)

Vocals B

Energy B

Choice to venue H so short and tour in Europe yet!!!

in total F

[strandinthewind]

I just edited my post, btw, to cover another part of your post I forgot.

with respect to her sole motivation, I really hope that Stevie realizes how special she is to her fans. her real fans, not average fans and how it's that bond that has carried her to the point she is now, that supported her through the worst times so that she is able to now cater to the average fan.

see the problem with that statement? yeah. exactly.

I see what you are saying, but evenin the bad times, her average fans attended the concerts and in droves - the OSOTM and SA concerts sold okay. I think she realizes this and then winks to the hard core fans with things like BC, insider, etc.

I do agree with you though that she could change out FFS, Sorcerer, etc. and out in never heard before stuff. But, she'll likely not do it, which to me is sad.

[mirror69]

Setlist: not better I give a Z (for me it's terrible)

Vocals B

Energy B

Choice to venue H so short and tour in Europe yet!!!

in total F I prefer much more the Whole lotta trouble tour 1991 !!!!!

paolo:(

[Rickypt]

I think she realizes this and then winks to the hard core fans with things like BC, insider, etc.


I think Petty is the reason we got Insider in 2006. I question whether Stevie even knew or cared if many of her hardcore fans went to those shows, and if she did, I don't think she thought of us when working out what to sing with Tom. In fact, I would wager that her initial answer to Insider was either "no" or strong hesitation.

Ultimately, though, the Petty tour was a huge gift to her fans --the best I've received in over 20 years, so it all worked out nicely. She gets an A+ for that effort from me.

[strandinthewind]

I think Petty is the reason we got Insider in 2006. I question whether Stevie even knew or cared if many of her hardcore fans went to those shows, and if she did, I don't think she thought of us when working out what to sing with Tom. In fact, I would wager that her initial answer to Insider was either "no" or strong hesitation.

Ultimately, though, the Petty tour was a huge gift to her fans --the best I've received in over 20 years, so it all worked out nicely. She gets an A+ for that effort from me.

I think she wanted to do it and I heard rumors to that effect, but nothing out of any horse's mouth. Interestingly, if we are going by not changing set lists, they should have not done the already done Insider and done something else (Apartment Song, Battle of the Dragon, IRTY) instead :cool:

I think that tour and the Enchanted tour were total gifts. I mean Sleeping Angel in the original key :eek:

[Rickypt]

I think that tour and the Enchanted tour were total gifts. I mean Sleeping Angel in the original key :eek:

Oh yes, Enchanted tour a total gift. For sure.

[JazmenFlowers]

^^^
amen.

[BlackWidow]

Agreed!



I'm forever curious whom she is trying to keep happy with songs like Enchanted, I Need To Know, and Rock and Roll. This is where I stop thinking she's trying to please everyone and I start thinking she is either fearful, lazy, unimaginative, clueless, or some other adjective I hate applying to her.

The casual fans certainly don't come hoping to hear these songs and I'd wager that the majority of us hardcores don't either.

That IS the gray area. Maybe they are songs she either likes to perform -
OR doesn't have to sound real pretty on the vocals.:shrug:
oh..and yes..she is lazy - that is a given.

[BlackWidow]

Oh yes, Enchanted tour a total gift. For sure.

Enchanted was that rare golden opportunity.
Too bad there were not more. Of course it is up to her.

[JazmenFlowers]

and yes..she is lazy - that is a given.
hold up now. don't make me kick your ass. call me wyndchylde all you like, but Mama Nicks is far from lazy. don't get it twisted.

[skcin]

She gets a B for effort. She still soldiers on, albeit, sometimes on autopilot.

She gets an A for appearance. Hello, boots, anyone?

She gets an F for the setlist.

She gets a B for singing. She sounded great live, but sounded terrible on her TV appearances.

The band gets an A-. I missed Taku, but Lenny is pretty great in his own right, and I'm so, so, so glad that she finally ditched that hack Brett Tuggle. :nod: Waddy rocks harder than ever!

FINAL GRADE: B

What he said. :wavey: Seriously, that's almost what I was thinking word for word.

Oh yes, Enchanted tour a total gift. For sure.

We must also remember that it was almost 10 years ago. :eek: Stevie was 50 - a hell of a big difference from there to almost 60. Bitch must be exhausted. :laugh:

[LiamMcConville]

I gave her an A just becuase of how amazing her vocals were at the first Greek Theatre show I was at. I saw her in Vegas two months before, and her vocals weren't even comparable. Especially Dreams. She held the note in "What you haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad..." instead of "oooooohh what you had..."

[AliceLover]

What he said. :wavey: Seriously, that's almost what I was thinking word for word.



We must also remember that it was almost 10 years ago. :eek: Stevie was 50 - a hell of a big difference from there to almost 60. Bitch must be exhausted. :laugh:

Yeah but cmon, she could have AT LEAST thrown Whole Lotta Trouble in there. It was rehearsed.

[Hawkeye]

Stevie's set is tired for sure. But there's atleast a small eedeeming quality for pretty much every tired song, Sorcerer was on her newest release and is always great live. I Need To Know and Rock and Roll really rock. Dreams and Rhiannon are her all time biggest songs. Her dad is dead so there's Landslide for eternity now. How Still My Love is currently her best song live and is actually somewhat new to this set. The one song with no redeeming qualities is Enchanted. It's really the extremely ugly stepchild song that nobody likes but Stevie. Her whole set is kind of tired, but this is the only song that is really a no brainer to be dropped.

[Rickypt]

Her whole set is kind of tired, but this is the only song that is really a no brainer to be dropped.

No, I Need To Know and Rock and Roll are also no brainers. It's not about "rocking", it's about honoring the woman's work and career. Neither of these songs do that. They are just fast paced songs that she thinks will keep us from going to buy beer.

[skcin]

Yeah but cmon, she could have AT LEAST thrown Whole Lotta Trouble in there. It was rehearsed.

I wasn't defending the setlist - I thought it sucked too. My comments were referring to her appearance, energy & vocals.

[AliceLover]

I wasn't defending the setlist - I thought it sucked too. My comments were referring to her appearance, energy & vocals.

Whoops, I misread that one.

Her appearance and vocals were really great. But even with that, it was like "well this stinks". I guess it was worse for me because Stand Back and If Anyone Falls were done in the first 15 minutes of the show. Then it was a long wait to How Still My Love.

I thought her energy was better on the GD tour myself. Stand Back, Gold Dust Woman, Rhiannon, Edge of Seventeen, and even Rock and Roll were a lot better on that tour IMO.

[BlackWidow]

hold up now. don't make me kick your ass. call me wyndchylde all you like, but Mama Nicks is far from lazy. don't get it twisted.

apples,oranges.:wavey: