Stevie Stale and Stagnant

[PenguinHead]

Stevie is high up on my long list of artists I love and have followed dillegently since 1977. And I'm glad she's still performing, yet I'm very dissapointed in her lack of creativity and inspiration.

I'm sick of the fact that all she talks about are the same things she's talked about for years and years now -- Fleewood Mac's long-past dramas, her cocaine and kolonopin days etc...ad nausuem. She panders to it, the media panders to it, and alot of fans pander to it. Move on!

Her shows haven't really changed that much since she went solo. The main content is "all the same....all the same...Rhiannon." Yeah, she adds a few new songs here and there, then drops them, and switches some songs around. Oh wow...ehh! Her incessant touring only drives home the fact that she is dead in the water, completely stagnant, and living on past glories.

So, as fans, we have to settle for and be happy for the "new" stuff on her third compilation album -- more live versions of Landslide and Rhiannon, and, albeit, a great, unexpected cover version of a Led Zeppelin cover.

I'm reading a book about another artist I love, Elvis Costello. Yes, they are two completely different artists, so it's a little unfair to compare the two. But Elvis fans have it so much better than Stevie fans. Granted, he's in another realm -- prolific beyond belief...nearly 30 albums since 1977, plus another ton of random songs. And no signs of stopping.

He's a master artist, musician and lyricist. Stevie is none of those -never has been, never will be, nor do I expect her to be. I love her for who she is and what she's done, regardless of her limitations. But reading about him -- how impromptu his shows can be, and how he completely changes his shows each tour, sometimes show to show, makes me realize just how redundant she's become. I find fault with her...and so-called fans who expect/demand the same old songs...the songs they know and have heard a million times over. It just re-enforces the redundancy.

Elvis's vast cannon of songs allows him to perform shows that are fresh and unexpected. He's not beholden to play his hits or other well-known songs all the time. His audiences enjoy the show for what it is...and rarely complain that he didn't play this or that song. They can never predict what song he'll open with or what song he'll close with.

Yet, with Stevie, it's all very rote, tour after tour after tour....like the "Edge walk." It's not so much a show anymore, it's more like a church service. All we can hope for is one new song --new meaning one she hasn't performed for a while. Even without new material, she has many other songs she could perform, including more covers, which she is very good at.

I don't think it's much to ask for. But do I think Stevie has some serious psychological barriers that have kept her from moving forward, thus we have to settle for the stale and suffer for the stagnancy. It's completely befitting that she gravitates to Vegas...city of canned entertainment. It's all the same. All the same. All the same.

[BombaySapphire3]

Great post. I've been wondering if and when she may come clean about being addicted to yet another mind numbing substance that has zapped her creativity and turned her into an automation of a performer content to trot out the same songs year after year for as long as she is physically able to.

[RockALittle250]

I think a lot of people complain too much about Stevie and what she is currently doing with her life. Hmm...where to start...

First of all, let's start with 2001. TISL came out, she went on tour towards the end of the year. 2002 was spent recording and preparing SYW. 2003 and 2004 was the release and world tour for SYW, Stevie then took a respite at the end of the tour until early 2005. In the summer of 2005 she embarked on the two voices tour (I blame Henley b/c he invited her and then bailed) and b/c of his departure, she had to continue w/o him and added some more dates and continued on. Late 2005 through early 2006, Australia. Summer of 2006, touring intermittantly and TRYING to rest in-between. And now it's spring 2007, and we have CV and the upcoming tour.

You people act as if she has been sitting on her ass for the past 5 years eating bon-bons on her couch and being a "stale and stagnet" homebody! Clearly she hasn't been. IMO, the tour in the summer of 2005 led us to where we are now with Stevie and the CV release. Also, IMO, if she had not gone on tour that summer, we might have a brand new album, but Stevie chose to tour then and now follow up that tour with CV. And with this retrospective she added some live tracks from that tour on the album and a few other goodies to set it apart from TimeSpace from 16 years ago! (and btw, Enchanted is a career spanning box-set that is only for serious fans really, not a collection of her "best" work...the avg. fan will not buy it b/c it is not for them) So now, she is now touring with Issac this summer. A little redundent?...yes!...but this is a fairly short tour and this is what she wants to do.

Although Stevie isn't always true to her word, she said to "expect new music, because she is always writing it" so in time, it will come! I think most of you need to get off of your high horses and let this ride. Your bitterness towards her decisions will not change what is happening in her life, so just stop wasting all of your energy on negativity and be happy she is still active, and looking towards the future.

I don't mean to rant, but everytime i turn around, someone is complaining about something Stevie is doing. Either her playlist on iTunes sucks (which she didn't even have to do btw), or all she ever does is answers the same lame questions in interviews, or she isn't high enough on Billboard because the album is boring and poorly promoted, or she shouldn't do Silver Springs or whatever...it's always complaints! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so don't tell me that i'm saying you are not, because you all are, but it seems that whatever she does isn't good enough anymore, and if she doesn't release new music in a timely manner, that means her creativity must be dried up and she will never record again. That isn't going to happen, this is just where Stevie is right now in her life, and we need to take it a day at a time and support her if at all possible. Yea, i think it's pretty silly that she's not touring with anything "brand new" again, but after this, she is on to her next project, whatever that may be. So please folks, let's just try to chill out and enjoy the show.

[MacMan]

Maybe she's JUST NOT COMFORTABLE up on stage like Elvis is or other artists are... Or maybe she has a genuine fear which brings on panic attacks at the mere thought of playing something that the majority wouldn't expect. I think alot of it hinges on insecurity frankly:shrug:

[Standback383]

Boooooooo!

[BombaySapphire3]

I just got back from an incredble hike in gorgeous weather in the north San Francisco bay and i'm having a glass of Napa valley vintage so I'm about as chill as can be Rockalittle 250.But that doesn't change my opinion one iota.

[MacMan]

I think a lot of people complain too much about Stevie and what she is currently doing with her life. Hmm...where to start...

First of all, let's start with 2001. TISL came out, she went on tour towards the end of the year. 2002 was spent recording and preparing SYW. 2003 and 2004 was the release and world tour for SYW, Stevie then took a respite at the end of the tour until early 2005. In the summer of 2005 she embarked on the two voices tour (I blame Henley b/c he invited her and then bailed) and b/c of his departure, she had to continue w/o him and added some more dates and continued on. Late 2005 through early 2006, Australia. Summer of 2006, touring intermittantly and TRYING to rest in-between. And now it's spring 2007, and we have CV and the upcoming tour.

You people act as if she has been sitting on her ass for the past 5 years eating bon-bons on her couch and being a "stale and stagnet" homebody! Clearly she hasn't been. IMO, the tour in the summer of 2005 led us to where we are now with Stevie and the CV release. Also, IMO, if she had not gone on tour that summer, we might have a brand new album, but Stevie chose to tour then and now follow up that tour with CV. And with this retrospective she added some live tracks from that tour on the album and a few other goodies to set it apart from TimeSpace from 16 years ago! (and btw, Enchanted is a career spanning box-set that is only for serious fans really, not a collection of her "best" work...the avg. fan will not buy it b/c it is not for them) So now, she is now touring with Issac this summer. A little redundent?...yes!...but this is a fairly short tour and this is what she wants to do.

Although Stevie isn't always true to her word, she said to "expect new music, because she is always writing it" so in time, it will come! I think most of you need to get off of your high horses and let this ride. Your bitterness towards her decisions will not change what is happening in her life, so just stop wasting all of your energy on negativity and be happy she is still active, and looking towards the future.

I don't mean to rant, but everytime i turn around, someone is complaining about something Stevie is doing. Either her playlist on iTunes sucks (which she didn't even have to do btw), or all she ever does is answers the same lame questions in interviews, or she isn't high enough on Billboard because the album is boring and poorly promoted, or she shouldn't do Silver Springs or whatever...it's always complaints! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so don't tell me that i'm saying you are not, because you all are, but it seems that whatever she does isn't good enough anymore, and if she doesn't release new music in a timely manner, that means her creativity must be dried up and she will never record again. That isn't going to happen, this is just where Stevie is right now in her life, and we need to take it a day at a time and support her if at all possible. Yea, i think it's pretty silly that she's not touring with anything "brand new" again, but after this, she is on to her next project, whatever that may be. So please folks, let's just try to chill out and enjoy the show.

I'm totally with you on this... :wavey:

[PenguinHead]

I So please folks, let's just try to chill out and enjoy the show.

I completely appreciate and respect your perspective. I'm chilling:) However, as long-time devoted fan, I feel I've earned the right to complain. I consider my post to be less of a complaint and more of a critical observation....not about her life, but about her restriction....and artistic stagnation. I guess perplexed devotees just have to set the bar very, very low. I'm not emotional over the matter, nor am I bitter...just very disapppointed. I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bunch of complaints...about "complaining" lol

[NoSpeedLimit]

I think a lot of people complain too much about Stevie and what she is currently doing with her life. Hmm...where to start...

First of all, let's start with 2001. TISL came out, she went on tour towards the end of the year. 2002 was spent recording and preparing SYW. 2003 and 2004 was the release and world tour for SYW, Stevie then took a respite at the end of the tour until early 2005. In the summer of 2005 she embarked on the two voices tour (I blame Henley b/c he invited her and then bailed) and b/c of his departure, she had to continue w/o him and added some more dates and continued on. Late 2005 through early 2006, Australia. Summer of 2006, touring intermittantly and TRYING to rest in-between. And now it's spring 2007, and we have CV and the upcoming tour.

You people act as if she has been sitting on her ass for the past 5 years eating bon-bons on her couch and being a "stale and stagnet" homebody! Clearly she hasn't been. IMO, the tour in the summer of 2005 led us to where we are now with Stevie and the CV release. Also, IMO, if she had not gone on tour that summer, we might have a brand new album, but Stevie chose to tour then and now follow up that tour with CV. And with this retrospective she added some live tracks from that tour on the album and a few other goodies to set it apart from TimeSpace from 16 years ago! (and btw, Enchanted is a career spanning box-set that is only for serious fans really, not a collection of her "best" work...the avg. fan will not buy it b/c it is not for them) So now, she is now touring with Issac this summer. A little redundent?...yes!...but this is a fairly short tour and this is what she wants to do.

Although Stevie isn't always true to her word, she said to "expect new music, because she is always writing it" so in time, it will come! I think most of you need to get off of your high horses and let this ride. Your bitterness towards her decisions will not change what is happening in her life, so just stop wasting all of your energy on negativity and be happy she is still active, and looking towards the future.
I don't mean to rant, but everytime i turn around, someone is complaining about something Stevie is doing. Either her playlist on iTunes sucks (which she didn't even have to do btw), or all she ever does is answers the same lame questions in interviews, or she isn't high enough on Billboard because the album is boring and poorly promoted, or she shouldn't do Silver Springs or whatever...it's always complaints! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so don't tell me that i'm saying you are not, because you all are, but it seems that whatever she does isn't good enough anymore, and if she doesn't release new music in a timely manner, that means her creativity must be dried up and she will never record again. That isn't going to happen, this is just where Stevie is right now in her life, and we need to take it a day at a time and support her if at all possible. Yea, i think it's pretty silly that she's not touring with anything "brand new" again, but after this, she is on to her next project, whatever that may be. So please folks, let's just try to chill out and enjoy the show.

Yes, yes, yes!

[The Catdancer]

I completely appreciate and respect your perspective. I'm chilling:) However, as long-time devoted fan, I feel I've earned the right to complain. I consider my post to be less of a complaint and more of a critical observation. I guess perplexed devotees just have to set the bar very, very low. I'm not emotional over the matter, nor am I bitter...just very disapppointed.

No, you didn't.... she never put a gun to your head and said:"You better be in this for the long haul or I'll blow your brains out" or "Buy all my cd's, go to my shows or else...". You chose to do all that. Stevie had nothing with it.
I don't think you're critical, you are complaining.
I'm a long time fan myself, a devotee, but I'm just happy that she's still alive, touring and enjoying every minute of it. With all the drinking, drugs and pill popping she could've been dead a long time ago. I'm perplexed that long time fans are complaining, I don't get it.

[The Catdancer]

I think a lot of people complain too much about Stevie and what she is currently doing with her life. Hmm...where to start...

First of all, let's start with 2001. TISL came out, she went on tour towards the end of the year. 2002 was spent recording and preparing SYW. 2003 and 2004 was the release and world tour for SYW, Stevie then took a respite at the end of the tour until early 2005. In the summer of 2005 she embarked on the two voices tour (I blame Henley b/c he invited her and then bailed) and b/c of his departure, she had to continue w/o him and added some more dates and continued on. Late 2005 through early 2006, Australia. Summer of 2006, touring intermittantly and TRYING to rest in-between. And now it's spring 2007, and we have CV and the upcoming tour.

You people act as if she has been sitting on her ass for the past 5 years eating bon-bons on her couch and being a "stale and stagnet" homebody! Clearly she hasn't been. IMO, the tour in the summer of 2005 led us to where we are now with Stevie and the CV release. Also, IMO, if she had not gone on tour that summer, we might have a brand new album, but Stevie chose to tour then and now follow up that tour with CV. And with this retrospective she added some live tracks from that tour on the album and a few other goodies to set it apart from TimeSpace from 16 years ago! (and btw, Enchanted is a career spanning box-set that is only for serious fans really, not a collection of her "best" work...the avg. fan will not buy it b/c it is not for them) So now, she is now touring with Issac this summer. A little redundent?...yes!...but this is a fairly short tour and this is what she wants to do.

Although Stevie isn't always true to her word, she said to "expect new music, because she is always writing it" so in time, it will come! I think most of you need to get off of your high horses and let this ride. Your bitterness towards her decisions will not change what is happening in her life, so just stop wasting all of your energy on negativity and be happy she is still active, and looking towards the future.

I don't mean to rant, but everytime i turn around, someone is complaining about something Stevie is doing. Either her playlist on iTunes sucks (which she didn't even have to do btw), or all she ever does is answers the same lame questions in interviews, or she isn't high enough on Billboard because the album is boring and poorly promoted, or she shouldn't do Silver Springs or whatever...it's always complaints! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so don't tell me that i'm saying you are not, because you all are, but it seems that whatever she does isn't good enough anymore, and if she doesn't release new music in a timely manner, that means her creativity must be dried up and she will never record again. That isn't going to happen, this is just where Stevie is right now in her life, and we need to take it a day at a time and support her if at all possible. Yea, i think it's pretty silly that she's not touring with anything "brand new" again, but after this, she is on to her next project, whatever that may be. So please folks, let's just try to chill out and enjoy the show.

I'm with you all the way :wavey:

[SandyMac]

I'm a long time fan myself, a devotee, but I'm just happy that she's still alive, touring and enjoying every minute of it. With all the drinking, drugs and pill popping she could've been dead a long time ago.

I am trying to "soak up" all the Stevie I can get because you just never know how many more years she will be performing or hopefully recording. (God willing she stays healthy). So, even though the concert set lists are the same, and predictable, it is a miracle she is still with us and up there on stage singing and dancing for us. (and not sitting at home on the couch eating Bon Bons). ;)

[BlackWidow]

I can definitely see all sides to this discussion..I really can.
However - she is stagnant and stale. I am also glad she is alive and still doing her thing.Good for her. I however am quite bored with it all.

[mikeschmike]

I can definitely see all sides to this discussion..I really can.
However - she is stagnant and stale. I am also glad she is alive and still doing her thing.Good for her. I however am quite bored with it all.

Look at you posting complete sentences and shit. What a treat to come back to. :thumbsup:

Anyway, I think Stevie has one or two great masterpeices left in her. Hopefully she knocks the doubters (myself included) on their asses.

[The Catdancer]

I am trying to "soak up" all the Stevie I can get because you just never know how many more years she will be performing or hopefully recording. (God willing she stays healthy). So, even though the concert set lists are the same, and predictable, it is a miracle she is still with us and up there on stage singing and dancing for us. (and not sitting at home on the couch eating Bon Bons). ;)

Same here. She's still with us, has done and seen it all and she could be sitting at home on the couch eating bon bons and watching soaps. Instead she chooses to be with us, I don't see what there is to complain about :shrug:

[PenguinHead]

I can definitely see all sides to this discussion..I really can.
However - she is stagnant and stale. I am also glad she is alive and still doing her thing.Good for her. I however am quite bored with it all.

Thank you! That's exactly the main jest of it. I see both sides too! I know people are very emotional and protective of Stevie. I knew there was a possibility that majority would get in an uproar of my critical analysis. In my opinion it was a fair assessment of her career...in comparsion to others.

Perhaps the title "Stale and Stagnent" was a bit too harsh...leading people into defense/anger mode before even reading the post. But just remember--I'm one of you--one of Stevie's biggest fans. If someone can't express an intelligent dissertation here without fear of being shunned and despised, please tell me the real purpose of this board?

I need not to defend myself. I expected discourse, not disdain. Oh well. I'll sleep well tonight.:)

[The Catdancer]

Thank you! That's exactly the main jest of it. I see both sides too! I know people are very emotional, protective and excusive of Stevie. I knew there was a possibility that majority would get in an uproar of my critical analysis. In my opinion it was a fair assessment of her career...in comparsion to others.

Perhaps the title "Stale and Stagnent" was a bit too harsh...leading people into defense mode before even reading the post. Remember people ---I'm one of you...one of Stevie's biggest fans. If someone can't express an intelligent dissertation here without fear of being shunned and dispised, what the heck is the real purpose of this board?

I expected discourse, not disdain. Oh well. I'll sleep well tonight.:)

I don't despise you. You have your opinion and I have mine. And maybe I am a bit protective of Stevie. I'm just trying to make you see my side of it. I came to the USA in 2004, you have no idea what it's like to live in a country where they hardly know her. You guys get all the good stuff: the interviews, tv shows and the tours. So it's hard for me to understand that someone could complain about the setlist, her same answers etc. She could be on a stage reading the phonebook for all I care.

[BlackWidow]

Look at you posting complete sentences and shit. What a treat to come back to. :thumbsup:

Anyway, I think Stevie has one or two great masterpeices left in her. Hopefully she knocks the doubters (myself included) on their asses.

:D :D :D :D

[BombaySapphire3]

I think what some of us long time fans are disappointed about is her reasoning behind her not wanting to create any new music.I believe she has the capability to write good songs but not doing it because they won't get radio airplay is just incredible and belies alot of what she has said about her songwritingand artistry .I have not missed buying tickets for a Stevie Nicks tour since 1981 but I 'm seriously considering not going for this one even though the opening night show is only a half hour drive.

[Somajoseph]

All this whining-please, get over it. If she was completely stagnant, she wouldnt be on the road.
I am so sick of all this bitchy negativity-go to Lindsey's board and stay there.
None of you have to like ANYTHING Stevie's doing or hasnt done, but if it's no longer your thing, just F*ck off....this is a FAN forum, so ir youre no longer one...LEAVE

[crtrofthenight]

I've been a devoted fan since 1976 myself and let me tell you plain and simple, that set list needs to be revamped, revived , revised, etc. The backdrop during Rhiannon should stay the same....haunted dolls and all. That's just too cool. Rhiannon should take on a new ending of sorts. How bout saying "you don't change, I don't change" etc. like in the 90s was it? or maybe Mirage rather.
The fact is this, she should be throwing in Everyday or something like the trilogy of songs she did during the Enchanted tour....after the glitter fade, sleeping angel, Rose Garden. She CAN do these new songs. She a pro. She knows how to practice and rehearse...this is HER PROFESSION PEOPLE! Stevie is very resilient. I do think she's cheating her fans with the same boring set list. She really needs to polish up Outside the Rain and open with something powerful like that song again. Drop enchanted, drop stop draggin'.... it kinda drags. Beauty and the Beast she can alternate. I love Stevie so much but why is she throwing her voice out so loud! She practically screams during dreams. She should try toning it down and concentrate on the emotion of the song. She looks and sounds as if she can't wait for it to end. The vocal on Edge of 17 on crystal visions is absolutely a dissapointment. There's no range in her voice! It's so so so so sad. Seriously. That quiver is gone. She should try and be more emotional and move more freely instead of looking stiff. I'm sorry, I feel like I'm bashing her but she should throw B. Child or Destiny Rules in there and how about doing Sisters of the Moon? That's no big deal. She can eliminatle all the craziness at the end and give that to the girls. Something FRESH is what we need. I'm not even excited about this summer tour. I'm dreading the set list. Forget If Anyone Falls. They play that song so poorly anyway. I hope our prayers are answered.
:o

[dontlookdown]

totally agree.

stevie.

i love her but

snooze...

yawn.

[BombaySapphire3]

All this whining-please, get over it. If she was completely stagnant, she wouldnt be on the road.
I am so sick of all this bitchy negativity-go to Lindsey's board and stay there.
None of you have to like ANYTHING Stevie's doing or hasnt done, but if it's no longer your thing, just F*ck off....this is a FAN forum, so ir youre no longer one...LEAVE

I've got a better idea let's meet at the wrestling ring at the Power Exchange and settle this!:lol:

[Somajoseph]

I've got a better idea let's meet at the wrestling ring at the Power Exchange and settle this!:lol:

LOL-Thank you so much for that...sometimes it just hurts to read all this stuff.

[BombaySapphire3]

LOL-Thank you so much for that...sometimes it just hurts to read all this stuff.

no problem! a little levity is always good.

[GiniLeaE]

<center> ...but I'm just happy that she's still alive, touring and enjoying every minute of it. With all the drinking, drugs and pill popping she could've been dead a long time ago.

Good point! :( I have feared that since I was a teen...ESPECIALLY since Laura Branigan passed away! I took Laura's death VERY hard...and I am obsessed with Stevie and her music even more because of her songwriting talent.

:shocked: I can't even fathom a WORLD WITHOUT STEVIE! The thought sends me into a depression...

The really cool thing about the "Constructive Criticism" offered us here, is that I can see that we do look like we are worshipping at the altar during the "Edge Walk"...I've only done that for two people in my LIFE! Billy Graham in Jax, FL at his crusade AND Stevie...I can't believe I am comparing the two, but YEAH! :laugh: It felt like that... </center>

[Serrart]

Stevie is high up on my long list of artists I love and have followed dillegently since 1977. And I'm glad she's still performing, yet I'm very dissapointed in her lack of creativity and inspiration.

I'm sick of the fact that all she talks about are the same things she's talked about for years and years now -- Fleewood Mac's long-past dramas, her cocaine and kolonopin days etc...ad nausuem. She panders to it, the media panders to it, and alot of fans pander to it. Move on!

Her shows haven't really changed that much since she went solo. The main content is "all the same....all the same...Rhiannon." Yeah, she adds a few new songs here and there, then drops them, and switches some songs around. Oh wow...ehh! Her incessant touring only drives home the fact that she is dead in the water, completely stagnant, and living on past glories.

So, as fans, we have to settle for and be happy for the "new" stuff on her third compilation album -- more live versions of Landslide and Rhiannon, and, albeit, a great, unexpected cover version of a Led Zeppelin cover.

I'm reading a book about another artist I love, Elvis Costello. Yes, they are two completely different artists, so it's a little unfair to compare the two. But Elvis fans have it so much better than Stevie fans. Granted, he's in another realm -- prolific beyond belief...nearly 30 albums since 1977, plus another ton of random songs. And no signs of stopping.

He's a master artist, musician and lyricist. Stevie is none of those -never has been, never will be, nor do I expect her to be. I love her for who she is and what she's done, regardless of her limitations. But reading about him -- how impromptu his shows can be, and how he completely changes his shows each tour, sometimes show to show, makes me realize just how redundant she's become. I find fault with her...and so-called fans who expect/demand the same old songs...the songs they know and have heard a million times over. It just re-enforces the redundancy.

Elvis's vast cannon of songs allows him to perform shows that are fresh and unexpected. He's not beholden to play his hits or other well-known songs all the time. His audiences enjoy the show for what it is...and rarely complain that he didn't play this or that song. They can never predict what song he'll open with or what song he'll close with.

Yet, with Stevie, it's all very rote, tour after tour after tour....like the "Edge walk." It's not so much a show anymore, it's more like a church service. All we can hope for is one new song --new meaning one she hasn't performed for a while. Even without new material, she has many other songs she could perform, including more covers, which she is very good at.

I don't think it's much to ask for. But do I think Stevie has some serious psychological barriers that have kept her from moving forward, thus we have to settle for the stale and suffer for the stagnancy. It's completely befitting that she gravitates to Vegas...city of canned entertainment. It's all the same. All the same. All the same.

Well, maybe you can simply stock your FM and Stevie LPs in a box, sit on a couch and remember the old times when the world was exactly as you wanted it to be?

It's not easy, especially for a woman, to be a rockstar at almost 60 and she does it in her own way, beautifully and gracefully. The least we can do is to respect her artistic choices, IMO.

Besides, your analysis isn't critical but emotional since you speak as a fan or ex-fan, that is legitimate anyway. It's always a matter of taste.

Romy

[The Catdancer]

I think what some of us long time fans are disappointed about is her reasoning behind her not wanting to create any new music.I believe she has the capability to write good songs but not doing it because they won't get radio airplay is just incredible and belies alot of what she has said about her songwritingand artistry .I have not missed buying tickets for a Stevie Nicks tour since 1981 but I 'm seriously considering not going for this one even though the opening night show is only a half hour drive.

Just for the sake of arguement, what IF somebody in her camp reads this forum and reports back to her what is said??? Than all she hears are complaints. The majority of this Stevie forum is complaining one way or another (and on another board too). If I were her I wouldn't release any new music because people are complaining anyway so what's the point???

[The Catdancer]

<center>

Good point! :( I have feared that since I was a teen...ESPECIALLY since Laura Branigan passed away! I took Laura's death VERY hard...and I am obsessed with Stevie and her music even more because of her songwriting talent.

:shocked: I can't even fathom a WORLD WITHOUT STEVIE! The thought sends me into a depression...

The really cool thing about the "Constructive Criticism" offered us here, is that I can see that we do look like we are worshipping at the altar during the "Edge Walk"...I've only done that for two people in my LIFE! Billy Graham in Jax, FL at his crusade AND Stevie...I can't believe I am comparing the two, but YEAH! :laugh: It felt like that... </center>

I know what you mean. The same could have happened to Stevie. I'm so glad it didn't and therefore I'm glad she's still alive. I don't care what songs she sings, she's still there and we have a chance to see her!!!!

[carrie721]

Just for the sake of arguement, what IF somebody in her camp reads this forum and reports back to her what is said??? Than all she hears are complaints. The majority of this Stevie forum is complaining one way or another (and on another board too). If I were her I wouldn't release any new music because people are complaining anyway so what's the point???

i think it's pretty clear from stevie's setlist that she's catering to the casual fan - i don't think she's too worried what her more hardcore fans want.

[The Catdancer]

Well, maybe you can simply stock your FM and Stevie LPs in a box, sit on a couch and remember the old times when the world was exactly as you wanted it to be?

It's not easy, especially for a woman, to be a rockstar at almost 60 and she does it in her own way, beautifully and gracefully. The least we can do is to respect her artistic choices, IMO.

Besides, your analysis isn't critical but emotional since you speak as a fan or ex-fan, that is legitimate anyway. It's always a matter of taste.

Romy

I totally agree with you. Money wise she doesn't have to do this, she doesn't have to go on tour but she wants to. Old setlist or not, she rules.... just cuz.

[foxyluva]

I think once Stevie releases a new album, this kind of discussion will be all over. I don't blame the fans on their frustration, but give the woman a chance...

[BombaySapphire3]

Just for the sake of arguement, what IF somebody in her camp reads this forum and reports back to her what is said??? Than all she hears are complaints. The majority of this Stevie forum is complaining one way or another (and on another board too). If I were her I wouldn't release any new music because people are complaining anyway so what's the point???

Let's be realistic La Nicks isn't catering to her hard core fan base these days but rather the baby boom nostalgia people who will go see her in concert anyway and could care less about any new material.I think she does what she wants to and no internet chat is going to cause her to not make a new album if she felt like making one.

[The Catdancer]

Let's be realistic La Nicks isn't catering to her hard core fan base these days but rather the baby boom nostalgia people who will go see her in concert anyway and could care less about any new material.I think she does what she wants to and no internet chat is going to cause her to not make a new album if she felt like making one.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think she is catering to her hardcore fans simply by releasing the CV dvd. The commentaries don't mean anything to the average fan. I bet the average fan won't even listen to it. They hear:"And there's my sister in-law Lori Nicks and my dear friend Sharon Celani" and "There's my friend Sandy Stewart". They don't care who's in the video. They think:"That's nice, Stevie now shut & sing".
I agree that no internet chat will make her go back into the studio to do new stuff which is why I said "Just for the sake of arguement".

[wheart]

Stevie is high up on my long list of artists I love and have followed dillegently since 1977. And I'm glad she's still performing, yet I'm very dissapointed in her lack of creativity and inspiration.

I'm sick of the fact that all she talks about are the same things she's talked about for years and years now -- Fleewood Mac's long-past dramas, her cocaine and kolonopin days etc...ad nausuem. She panders to it, the media panders to it, and alot of fans pander to it. Move on!

Her shows haven't really changed that much since she went solo. The main content is "all the same....all the same...Rhiannon." Yeah, she adds a few new songs here and there, then drops them, and switches some songs around. Oh wow...ehh! Her incessant touring only drives home the fact that she is dead in the water, completely stagnant, and living on past glories.

So, as fans, we have to settle for and be happy for the "new" stuff on her third compilation album -- more live versions of Landslide and Rhiannon, and, albeit, a great, unexpected cover version of a Led Zeppelin cover.

I'm reading a book about another artist I love, Elvis Costello. Yes, they are two completely different artists, so it's a little unfair to compare the two. But Elvis fans have it so much better than Stevie fans. Granted, he's in another realm -- prolific beyond belief...nearly 30 albums since 1977, plus another ton of random songs. And no signs of stopping.

He's a master artist, musician and lyricist. Stevie is none of those -never has been, never will be, nor do I expect her to be. I love her for who she is and what she's done, regardless of her limitations. But reading about him -- how impromptu his shows can be, and how he completely changes his shows each tour, sometimes show to show, makes me realize just how redundant she's become. I find fault with her...and so-called fans who expect/demand the same old songs...the songs they know and have heard a million times over. It just re-enforces the redundancy.

Elvis's vast cannon of songs allows him to perform shows that are fresh and unexpected. He's not beholden to play his hits or other well-known songs all the time. His audiences enjoy the show for what it is...and rarely complain that he didn't play this or that song. They can never predict what song he'll open with or what song he'll close with.

Yet, with Stevie, it's all very rote, tour after tour after tour....like the "Edge walk." It's not so much a show anymore, it's more like a church service. All we can hope for is one new song --new meaning one she hasn't performed for a while. Even without new material, she has many other songs she could perform, including more covers, which she is very good at.

I don't think it's much to ask for. But do I think Stevie has some serious psychological barriers that have kept her from moving forward, thus we have to settle for the stale and suffer for the stagnancy. It's completely befitting that she gravitates to Vegas...city of canned entertainment. It's all the same. All the same. All the same.

Your thoughts and observations echo mine own, and I applaud you for presenting them in such an eloquent and in my opinion, accurate way. I haven't read many of the responses but I'm sure you've opened up a hornet's nest as many fans take these statements/opinions as personal attacks on themselves and their love of Stevie.

I guess I've grown used to Stevie's staleness as this point but it does sadden me. She talks all the time in interviews about not wanting to get married/have children because she didn't want to compromise her art. Frankly, there's not much "art" left. I will always love, admire and follow her, but I feel she has so much more to offer.

[The Catdancer]

Your thoughts and observations echo mine own, and I applaud you for presenting them in such an eloquent and in my opinion, accurate way. I haven't read many of the responses but I'm sure you've opened up a hornet's nest as many fans take these statements/opinions as personal attacks on themselves and their love of Stevie.

I guess I've grown used to Stevie's staleness as this point but it does sadden me. She talks all the time in interviews about not wanting to get married/have children because she didn't want to compromise her art. Frankly, there's not much "art" left. I will always love, admire and follow her, but I feel she has so much more to offer.

There's a lot of art left just in a different way everyone expects her to do. You say it saddens you but try to look at her from a positive angle: she's still alive and kicking!!!!

[Kelly]

I can definitely see all sides to this discussion..I really can.
However - she is stagnant and stale. I am also glad she is alive and still doing her thing.Good for her. I however am quite bored with it all.

Thank you! One can be a long time devoted fan, who is thankful she is still alive and performing, but also be sick of the stagnant sets. Raving about everything she does borders on stalkeresque.

[JazmenFlowers]

I am so sick of these fcuking threads. I don't give a shit one way or the other, but dear god, I'd rather the Stevie forum be dead (wait, it is) than have to see one more thread about how disappointed or annoyed or frustrated or upset or let down or disenchanted or unhappy or unsatisfied or heartbroken or disillusioned you are; it's been discussed ad nauseam. use the search feature. it's your friend. that said...yeah, we're all a bit pissy over it, myself included. I think we can all agree that Stevie is in a state of stagnation. her setlists, attitude towards promotion and lack of new material stinks worse than a pig farm in the middle of the fcuking summer. Stevie's doing what the hell she wants. I ain't happy with the fact that she regurgitates her setlists or that she wears Frankenboks or that she no longer even attempts certain notes or that she promises things that aren't delivered, but the bitch is still truckin' - so, chill.

[Rickypt]

Last year's Stevie (performing at Tom Petty shows) was in no way stale or stagnant. In fact, it was the best Stevie I've seen since the early/mid 80's. I'm a little disappointed with the whole CV thing so far (boring interviews, regurgitated Landslide, etc.), but it's a greatest hits, nostalgia CD so that is going to lead to greatest hits/nostalgia interviews and performances.

Had this Tom Petty tour not happened, I would have agreed with this thread. I am hoping that touring with Eye Sack will bring out more of what we saw last year.

[JazmenFlowers]

^^^
yeah. you'd think that'd pacify some, or at least show that she isn't completely a sellout.

[DESTINYRU!ES]

First, I should start by saying that I consider myself a casual fan of Stevie's.
I think it's quite ridiculous that people expect her to make them new music with only a few year lapse since her last release. Trouble in Shangri-La 2002-2007. Only five years people

Try being a fan of Annie Lennox. At the longest it took her a decade in between Diva and Medusa. She even moved away from her career to have children and raise them. Only recently now that her daughters are older, did she have the chance to tour with Sting in 2004. She just released Bare in 2003 and fans on her site are still discussing that release. This year Annie has mentioned that she has a release coming this fall. And the reaction of her fans was not, FINALLY but aren't we so lucky! Now, I'm in no way judging Stevie's decisions, but she decidedly gave up having children for the prolificness of her career. Who knows what other sacrifices she gave up so that The Wild Heart followed Bella Donna by essentially, a year! Ms. Nick's prolificness and dedication has her fans spoiled!
If you think she owes you anything, THINK AGAIN!


On top of it, Ms. Nicks has inspired generations of artists.
Here's a good lead; go check out Patty Griffin's cataloge as in the past she's mentioned that Nicks is an inspiration. Her song writing is on par to Nicks in her ability to invoke emotive imagery. Expand your horizons and discover new talents!

Perhaps it would also be wise to delve back into the plethora of albums that Ms. Nicks has already created as well. I went back through LB's cataloge in the lean years of no new music and rediscovered the greatness.

No offense to anyone. Back to the LB forum.

[carrie721]

I am so sick of these fcuking threads.

shit, and i was just going to start "dream setlist thread #62362" :laugh:

[Rickypt]

^^^
yeah. you'd think that'd pacify some, or at least show that she isn't completely a sellout.

It certainly shut me for a long time! :thumbsup:

[sparky]

I expected discourse, not disdain.


Fat chance, buddy.

I agree with almost all of your post.
The church service line was especially funny.

Going to see Stevie is a habit I have, but one I am cutting down on severely.
It is like watching the same movie over and over again. I guess it could be considered comforting, in a way. You know you can depend on her to go through the same motions. I'm glad I do like at least about 35 minutes of her schtick.
The bar must be set very low in terms of surprises or growth. That bar being: at least she is still alive and singing. I have been bummed by her artistic development since RAL, to be honest. There hasn't been any. But she is what she is. I almost enjoy her more as a personality than as an artist. She is an entertaining and engaging personality. Her voiceovers were the most entertainment I have gotten out of her in years.
Being a Stevie fan in terms of music is being part of a cycle of diminishing returns. I do appreciate her for being there, kinda like my favorite pair of pants. I am still evolving, in terms of taste and interests. Neither my pants nor Stevie really is. But I still return to both from time to time. :laugh:

[PenguinHead]

None of you have to like ANYTHING Stevie's doing or hasnt done, but if it's no longer your thing, just F*ck off....this is a FAN forum, so ir youre no longer one...LEAVE


Excuse me...but that assertion is all yours. And please excuse yourself for being so sanctamonious in feeling that you can get away with telling me to F-off. I'm being reasonable -- you're not. Speaking as a long-time fan and poster here, are you suggesting censorship so to avoid your sickness when you read something you don't like or agree with? Will that solve your "problem?"

[gldstwmn]

I completely appreciate and respect your perspective. I'm chilling:) However, as long-time devoted fan, I feel I've earned the right to complain. I consider my post to be less of a complaint and more of a critical observation....not about her life, but about her restriction....and artistic stagnation. I guess perplexed devotees just have to set the bar very, very low. I'm not emotional over the matter, nor am I bitter...just very disapppointed. I hope this thread doesn't turn into a bunch of complaints...about "complaining" lol


I agree with your post. I am completely uninterested in seeing her live anymore. :shrug: :sorry:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Stevie is high up on my long list of artists I love and have followed dillegently since 1977. And I'm glad she's still performing, yet I'm very dissapointed in her lack of creativity and inspiration.

I'm sick of the fact that all she talks about are the same things she's talked about for years and years now -- Fleewood Mac's long-past dramas, her cocaine and kolonopin days etc...ad nausuem. She panders to it, the media panders to it, and alot of fans pander to it. Move on!

Her shows haven't really changed that much since she went solo. The main content is "all the same.....


I think maybe part of it might have to do with pressure from the Record Company and her Publicist, and other people around her. Unfortunately, the casual fans are where the REAL money is. Her "established fan base" is guaranteed to buy her stuff (have your copy of CV nearby? :D ) But the Record Company and other people want to go after the less-involved fans, for example the "tween" market.
I know that people often argue that "Stevie can do whatever she wants." Well, I've heard often that the reality, in general, is a lot different than people would expect. I don't mean with Stevie specifically; I just mean that I've heard that almost ALL big stars are subjected to these kinds of pressures and expectations.
Part of it might just be "sticking with what works," too - Reprise Records and everyone else involved that has a financial stake in this, has seen it work in this way - so "don't rock the boat." Unfortunately The Money Issue once again gets in the way of creativity.

Maybe that's something Stevie should write about. :p

[carrie721]

^^ if you think stevie or her management is concerned with the "tween" market, you're spacier than stevie is. :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

But the Record Company and other people want to go after the less-involved fans, for example the "tween" market.

She alluded to it in the Destiny Rules documentary. It could also be the reasoning behind that horrible iTunes playlist. :laugh:

[Ghost_Tracker]

^^ if you think stevie or her management is concerned with the "tween" market, you're spacier than stevie is. :laugh:

I think the Record Company VERY much is, because from the point of view of these business people, it's the ONLY way to keep this going over the long-term. They don't think in terms of "Oh WOW Rumors sold SO many copies!" They're trying to figure out a way to keep Reprise owned by Warner Brothers so that it won't be bought up by the Chinese or some German company, the way Chrysler Corporation has been. Or at least to delay that until they retire and get the heck out of the game. Nothing else is entering into their thinking, not even whether or not the music is any good.

[Ghost_Tracker]

She alluded to it in the Destiny Rules documentary. It could also be the reasoning behind that horrible iTunes playlist. :laugh:

"We PRAY to the CORPORATE GODS!!!" :lol: :laugh:

[BombaySapphire3]

On top of it, Ms. Nicks has inspired generations of artists.
Here's a good lead; go check out Patty Griffin's cataloge as in the past she's mentioned that Nicks is an inspiration. Her song writing is on par to Nicks in her ability to invoke emotive imagery. Expand your horizons and discover new talents!


I did indeed do that after reading the Patty Griffin thread on the chit chat forum..Children Running Through is a stunning piece of work and I was thrilled to hear it and thought of the similarity to some of Stevie's work which somehow only served to remind me of how she has seemingly abandoned her 'first love" songwriting.

[carrie721]

I think the Record Company VERY much is, because from the point of view of these business people, it's the ONLY way to keep this going over the long-term. They don't think in terms of "Oh WOW Rumors sold SO many copies!" They're trying to figure out a way to keep Reprise owned by Warner Brothers so that it won't be bought up by the Chinese or some German company, the way Chrysler Corporation has been. Or at least to delay that until they retire and get the heck out of the game. Nothing else is entering into their thinking, not even whether or not the music is any good.

then stevie's doing a piss poor job of marketing to that demographic. why wasn't she on the kids' choice awards? or doing voice-overs on kids' shows? or showing up on sesame street? :laugh: instead, she's doing spots on geriatric shows like cbs sunday morning.

[AliceLover]

Im not going to get into this because I got kind of fumed reading this. But would it KILL her to do 3 of her solo songs that she hasn't done in a while on stage? With the talented band she has that would take 4 or 5 rehearsals, tops. It hurts me that she has so many awesome solo songs yet she chooses SILVER SPRINGS as the surprise this tour.

[carrie721]

Im not going to get into this because I got kind of fumed reading this. But would it KILL her to do 3 of her solo songs that she hasn't done in a while on stage? With the talented band she has that would take 4 or 5 rehearsals, tops. It hurts me that she has so many awesome solo songs yet she chooses SILVER SPRINGS as the surprise this tour.

has this been confirmed? i thought it was just a rumor, but people are acting as if it's a done deal.

[SortaSavageLike]

Did somebody mention "stale and stagnant?" :wavey:

[AliceLover]

has this been confirmed? i thought it was just a rumor, but people are acting as if it's a done deal.
Shes said it a few times...

[foxyluva]

The CV tour has not even started yet, so lets give her a chance to actually change the setlist before we get all bitchy about it. A different tour, a different set-list, surely....

[Somajoseph]

Excuse me...but that assertion is all yours. And please excuse yourself for being so sanctamonious in feeling that you can get away with telling me to F-off. I'm being reasonable -- you're not. Speaking as a long-time fan and poster here, are you suggesting censorship so to avoid your sickness when you read something you don't like or agree with? Will that solve your "problem?"

Actually, I have to admit including that in my post was not directed at you personally, and in fact, I apologize to anyone I may have offended.
I've definitely been frustrated with the tone of alot of the posts regarding Stevie. Johnny Stew mentioned that alot of other people posting on Christine's and Lindsey's forums are not so negative. I am not suggesting anyone censor their opinion, but it does get tiresome to read things that seem so negative all the time.
I have also been a long time fan, since 1975 when the White Album was released.I also wish Stevie would produce more music and mix it up onstage, but my expectations are what they are. I dont go following her around the country. She is who she is, and I still get alot of enjoyment out of her music.

[AliceLover]

The CV tour has not even started yet, so lets give her a chance to actually change the setlist before we get all bitchy about it. A different tour, a different set-list, surely....

I hope, I hope, I hope!!!

[foxyluva]

I hope, I hope, I hope!!!

I would say it will be. I mean, the only real tour that Stevie has done on her own since TISL is the Gold Dust tour and its extension - which is my guess why the set has not changed much in that time...

[PenguinHead]

Your thoughts and observations echo mine own, and I applaud you for presenting them in such an eloquent and in my opinion, accurate way. I haven't read many of the responses but I'm sure you've opened up a hornet's nest as many fans take these statements/opinions as personal attacks on themselves and their love of Stevie.

I guess I've grown used to Stevie's staleness as this point but it does sadden me. She talks all the time in interviews about not wanting to get married/have children because she didn't want to compromise her art. Frankly, there's not much "art" left. I will always love, admire and follow her, but I feel she has so much more to offer.


I really appreciate that. A hornet's nest? More like a swarm of locusts! In a way, I also have grown used to her "arrested development." Still love what's she's done in the past, but wish more from her.

And I'm learning volumes about the emotional intellect of some the posters here. As if Stevie is some sort of deity, she is beyond reproach to some. Critque or question her career/choices and you run the risk of being damned to hell. Your fandom is questioned and you get "fu*k you" thrown at you....as if you spat on their children, crapped on their lawn, or kicked their dog. Nice, huh?

Next time I post a thread, I'll be careful to make sure it's innocuous, banal and politically correct; one of complete praise, love and kisses! How about this one: "Is Stevie still in love with Lindsey?"

[BTFLCHLD]

"fu*k you" Welcome to The Ledge the place where ass-kissing and chit-kicking changes with the wind! :rolleyes: :distress: :laugh:

Thanks for posting. I am bored with Stevie only in that she is not releasing any newly written material. I do think she will eventually. I am not bored with her set-lists or seeing her perform which is probably due to not seeing her in concert that often. I am thankful for the DVD. I will be seeing her in May.

[wheart]

There's a lot of art left just in a different way everyone expects her to do. You say it saddens you but try to look at her from a positive angle: she's still alive and kicking!!!!

I do recogonize the fact that she's alive and kicking and believe me, I am very grateful for that. I am simply voicing my opinion about this particular topic. It amazes me every day that the woman is almost 60 and she's still doing what she's doing. That erases any momentary sadness I may feel :)

[PenguinHead]

All this whining-please, get over it. If she was completely stagnant, she wouldnt be on the road.
I am so sick of all this bitchy negativity-go to Lindsey's board and stay there.
None of you have to like ANYTHING Stevie's doing or hasnt done, but if it's no longer your thing, just F*ck off....this is a FAN forum, so ir youre no longer one...LEAVE

I'll glady accept your apology.:wavey:

[PenguinHead]

Welcome to The Ledge the place where ass-kissing and chit-kicking changes with the wind! :rolleyes: :distress: :laugh:

Thanks for posting. I am bored with Stevie only in that she is not releasing any newly written material. I do think she will eventually. I am not bored with her set-lists or seeing her perform which is probably due to not seeing her in concert that often. I am thankful for the DVD. I will be seeing her in May.

Hey you!:nod: Don't take that quote out of context! I didn't say it first...someone said it to me!

[BTFLCHLD]

Hey you!:nod: Don't take that quote out of context! I didn't say it first...someone said it to me! I know. :woohoo:

[BlackWidow]

All this whining-please, get over it. If she was completely stagnant, she wouldnt be on the road.
I am so sick of all this bitchy negativity-go to Lindsey's board and stay there.
None of you have to like ANYTHING Stevie's doing or hasnt done, but if it's no longer your thing, just F*ck off....this is a FAN forum, so ir youre no longer one...LEAVE

wow...really mature. What are you like 12 yrs old?

[BlackWidow]

i think it's pretty clear from stevie's setlist that she's catering to the casual fan - i don't think she's too worried what her more hardcore fans want.

That's for sure.:laugh:

[BlackWidow]

Your thoughts and observations echo mine own, and I applaud you for presenting them in such an eloquent and in my opinion, accurate way. I haven't read many of the responses but I'm sure you've opened up a hornet's nest as many fans take these statements/opinions as personal attacks on themselves and their love of Stevie.

I guess I've grown used to Stevie's staleness as this point but it does sadden me. She talks all the time in interviews about not wanting to get married/have children because she didn't want to compromise her art. Frankly, there's not much "art" left. I will always love, admire and follow her, but I feel she has so much more to offer.

Stevie loves to perpetuate her own myths...:nod: :laugh:

[BlackWidow]

I'll glady accept your apology.:wavey:

^^^5!!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Musicman408]

Well, I am excited about this tour.:nod: Granted, I am a young fan, both in age, and years of fandom, but just the thought of seeing Stevie solo in concert thrills me. This being said, I would definately love to see her do some songs she doesn't normally do. Part of the reason she and her band only do certain songs is because some of them they claim are too difficult to do live, eg Bella Donna.

In my opinion that is rediculous. Bella Donna would be totally easy to do live. If need be, hire me to play the piano for you Stevie, I'd make it happen.:laugh:

Anyway, I am excited about this tour, and do wish she would produce another album. I believe she will because she constantly writes, and I know, as a songwriter, one of the worst feelings is writing like a manic and having no place for that music to go. Writing songs is an amazing feeling, and seeing them come to life is an even more pheonomenal one, so I feel she will release more music.

Much Love,
Ethan

[saradorna]

First, I should start by saying that I consider myself a casual fan of Stevie's.
I think it's quite ridiculous that people expect her to make them new music with only a few year lapse since her last release. Trouble in Shangri-La 2002-2007. Only five years people

Try being a fan of Annie Lennox. At the longest it took her a decade in between Diva and Medusa. She even moved away from her career to have children and raise them. Only recently now that her daughters are older, did she have the chance to tour with Sting in 2004. She just released Bare in 2003 and fans on her site are still discussing that release. This year Annie has mentioned that she has a release coming this fall. And the reaction of her fans was not, FINALLY but aren't we so lucky! Now, I'm in no way judging Stevie's decisions, but she decidedly gave up having children for the prolificness of her career. Who knows what other sacrifices she gave up so that The Wild Heart followed Bella Donna by essentially, a year! Ms. Nick's prolificness and dedication has her fans spoiled!
If you think she owes you anything, THINK AGAIN!


On top of it, Ms. Nicks has inspired generations of artists.
Here's a good lead; go check out Patty Griffin's cataloge as in the past she's mentioned that Nicks is an inspiration. Her song writing is on par to Nicks in her ability to invoke emotive imagery. Expand your horizons and discover new talents!

Perhaps it would also be wise to delve back into the plethora of albums that Ms. Nicks has already created as well. I went back through LB's cataloge in the lean years of no new music and rediscovered the greatness.

No offense to anyone. Back to the LB forum.

:nod: that I agreed with everything you said here! That's all I wanted to say. lol

[Kelly]

I really appreciate that. A hornet's nest? More like a swarm of locusts! In a way, I also have grown used to her "arrested development." Still love what's she's done in the past, but wish more from her.

And I'm learning volumes about the emotional intellect of some the posters here. As if Stevie is some sort of deity, she is beyond reproach to some. Critque or question her career/choices and you run the risk of being damned to hell. Your fandom is questioned and you get "fu*k you" thrown at you....as if you spat on their children, crapped on their lawn, or kicked their dog. Nice, huh?

Next time I post a thread, I'll be careful to make sure it's innocuous, banal and politically correct; one of complete praise, love and kisses! How about this one: "Is Stevie still in love with Lindsey?"''

I do not recommend starting that kind of thread if you want an innocuous, lighthearted discussion. :laugh:

It is kind of scary how defensive some fans can be about Stevie. I am still flabbergasted over the idea that somehow I am not a devoted fan because I complained about Silver Springs and her stagnant set lists. (and somehow, by complaining, that means I am not grateful she made it through the drug years and is still alive and performing :rolleyes: )

[jannieC]

I too am in the camp of being tired of reading these anti-Stevie threads in a Stevie fan forum. Sometimes I feel odd that I honestly do not care what's in her setlist. I've been going to see Stevie live since Rock a Little, and will continue to do so until she decides she's had enough. I do wish she would release some new music, but when I'm standing there and she comes out on stage, the magic and energy is overwhelming.

I think everyone is 100% entitled to their own feelings and opinions, and I certainly do NOT think I am a "better" fan or whatever, but sometimes it feels as though the negative threads outnumber the positive ones here. I remember how excited I was when I found this place- a place where there were other Stevie geeks like me! I know that some think that there are those of us that keep our expectations too low, but I will always be grateful that she is still doing her thing. Every time I see her on tour, I worry it could be her last. She's given me a lifetime (literally) of music and magic.

[BlackWidow]

I too am in the camp of being tired of reading these anti-Stevie threads in a Stevie fan forum. Sometimes I feel odd that I honestly do not care what's in her setlist. I've been going to see Stevie live since Rock a Little, and will continue to do so until she decides she's had enough. I do wish she would release some new music, but when I'm standing there and she comes out on stage, the magic and energy is overwhelming.

I think everyone is 100% entitled to their own feelings and opinions, and I certainly do NOT think I am a "better" fan or whatever, but sometimes it feels as though the negative threads outnumber the positive ones here. I remember how excited I was when I found this place- a place where there were other Stevie geeks like me! I know that some think that there are those of us that keep our expectations too low, but I will always be grateful that she is still doing her thing. Every time I see her on tour, I worry it could be her last. She's given me a lifetime (literally) of music and magic.

Of course we still love her..but she is not beyond reproach.

[Ghost_Tracker]

How about this one: "Is Stevie still in love with Lindsey?"





Wait - What are you implying? :shocked: :mad:



( :rolleyes: :laugh: :wavey: )

[Lee]

I too am in the camp of being tired of reading these anti-Stevie threads in a Stevie fan forum. Sometimes I feel odd that I honestly do not care what's in her setlist. I've been going to see Stevie live since Rock a Little, and will continue to do so until she decides she's had enough. I do wish she would release some new music, but when I'm standing there and she comes out on stage, the magic and energy is overwhelming.

I think everyone is 100% entitled to their own feelings and opinions, and I certainly do NOT think I am a "better" fan or whatever, but sometimes it feels as though the negative threads outnumber the positive ones here. I remember how excited I was when I found this place- a place where there were other Stevie geeks like me! I know that some think that there are those of us that keep our expectations too low, but I will always be grateful that she is still doing her thing. Every time I see her on tour, I worry it could be her last. She's given me a lifetime (literally) of music and magic.

I sort of feel like you do. I play her music all the time & worry just how long she'll go on. I mean I worry about her health, all those years on drugs. Did it take its toll? At this point, I don't really care what her set list is. I just want to see her live as long as I can & as long as she can go on.

Lee :)

[Serrart]

Maybe there should be a stable deluded fans thread, where they can meet, discuss of the great time they had in the Seventies and early Eighties, when they were young, so happy and Stevie was so great, try to understand who's buying all those CV copies, remember how great has been Lindsey instead publishing a new solo album after 14 years...

Romy

[SandyMac]

Maybe there should be a stable deluded fans thread, where they can meet, discuss of the great time they had in the Seventies and early Eighties, when they were young, so happy and Stevie was so great, try to understand who's buying all those CV copies, remember how great has been Lindsey instead publishing a new solo album after 14 years...

Romy

Ouch.

I can see both sides of the debate here, but I guess I have a "glass is half full" philosophy to life. I know Stevie is doing her nostalgia thing now, but hey, it is Greatest Hits tour and down the line, I bet we will get a new CD. Might take a while and we might have to wait a couple of years (not sure if there will be new FM material or not, doubt it, but 2008 hopefully will be more FM concerts) and maybe in 2009 or 2010, we will see a new CD from Stevie or some other new cool project she has tucked up her billowy sleeves. We all know Stevie tends to keep her future plans well guarded.

This is what she has chosen to do for her life and career, so maybe she needs this time to be nostalgic and time to really reflect and look back on her career to see where she has been and where she wants to go from here. Who here has not done that in some point in there lives? Maybe she is going through a mid life crisis of sorts, she is only human. Losing one's parent can easily make someone take stock of their lives and look at their own mortality.

Yes, when I see her in concert, I know the setlist and have heard the songs over and over again, but Stevie says herself there are certain songs she never gets tired of doing over and over because she loves them so much. There are certain songs I listen to over and over again myself because they are just that great. But I agree with JannieC that when Stevie comes out on stage, all my problems in the world fall away and I am in awe that she is standing there singing and all the magic and energy just surrounds her and flows out to the crowd and is quite overwhelming. For 1 1/2 - 2 hours, I am entertained and I have a good time and that is what Stevie loves to do... Entertain people and for the most part she does.

In closing, I again see both points to this discussion and value everyone's opinion, just wanted to state mine as to why I still support Stevie.

[Musicman408]

Ouch.

I can see both sides of the debate here, but I guess I have a "glass is half full" philosophy to life. I know Stevie is doing her nostalgia thing now, but hey, it is Greatest Hits tour and down the line, I bet we will get a new CD. Might take a while and we might have to wait a couple of years (not sure if there will be new FM material or not, doubt it, but 2008 hopefully will be more FM concerts) and maybe in 2009 or 2010, we will see a new CD from Stevie or some other new cool project she has tucked up her billowy sleeves. We all know Stevie tends to keep her future plans well guarded.

This is what she has chosen to do for her life and career, so maybe she needs this time to be nostalgic and time to really reflect and look back on her career to see where she has been and where she wants to go from here. Who here has not done that in some point in there lives? Maybe she is going through a mid life crisis of sorts, she is only human. Losing one's parent can easily make someone take stock of their lives and look at their own mortality.

Yes, when I see her in concert, I know the setlist and have heard the songs over and over again, but Stevie says herself there are certain songs she never gets tired of doing over and over because she loves them so much. There are certain songs I listen to over and over again myself because they are just that great. But I agree with JannieC that when Stevie comes out on stage, all my problems in the world fall away and I am in awe that she is standing there singing and all the magic and energy just surrounds her and flows out to the crowd and is quite overwhelming. For 1 1/2 - 2 hours, I am entertained and I have a good time and that is what Stevie loves to do... Entertain people and for the most part she does.

In closing, I again see both points to this discussion and value everyone's opinion, just wanted to state mine as to why I still support Stevie.

I agree. You guys clown me if you will, but I am in awe of Stevie. When I found her in 2003, I was just like.... AMAZED!!!!

Her music is just amazing. The poeticism the shear structure of it. It is very captivating, and SOOO right. I absolutely adore her.

I have never had the privilage to see her solo, so I am absolutely extatic that I will more than likely get that chance.

I think she will put out a new album in the future, we'll just have to wait, but it will happen.

Sadly, in some of these forums, it almost seems like the number of people that are completely captivated by Stevie are outnumbered by those that aren't. It is completely fine to have opinions, but I just wish someone like me could freely post about their fasination without being joked on..... :nod:

Anyway, Much Love,
Ethan

[BombaySapphire3]

Maybe there should be a stable deluded fans thread, where they can meet, discuss of the great time they had in the Seventies and early Eighties, when they were young, so happy and Stevie was so great, try to understand who's buying all those CV copies, remember how great has been Lindsey instead publishing a new solo album after 14 years...

Romy

I don't quite get it :shrug: .If we older fans were that stuck in a time warp then we should be delighted to hear the old classics over and over again rather then expect anything new?It's true that alot of the casual boomer fans want just that and that is whom she seems to be focused on but some of us know that she is capable of more than that.Does that make us delusional?

[jannieC]

I don't quite get it :shrug: .If we older fans were that stuck in a time warp then we should be delighted to hear the old classics over and over again rather then expect anything new?It's true that alot of the casual boomer fans want just that and that is whom she seems to be focused on but some of us know that she is capable of more than that.Does that make us delusional?

I think this reference was made toward those of us those don't really see it necessary to get so upset over Stevie being "stale and stagnant".

And for the record, I do get frustrated over certain things she does (and understand everyone's right to their own opinions as well), I just felt as though the complaints seem to outweigh the happiness here in the Stevie fan forum.

[BlackWidow]

I don't quite get it :shrug: .If we older fans were that stuck in a time warp then we should be delighted to hear the old classics over and over again rather then expect anything new?It's true that alot of the casual boomer fans want just that and that is whom she seems to be focused on but some of us know that she is capable of more than that.Does that make us delusional?

stop making sense....:D ;)

[JazmenFlowers]

Maybe there should be a stable deluded fans thread, where they can meet, discuss of the great time they had in the Seventies and early Eighties, when they were young, so happy and Stevie was so great, try to understand who's buying all those CV copies, remember how great has been Lindsey instead publishing a new solo album after 14 years...

Romy
and maybe there should be a thread about how not to write a run-on sentence and actually make sense.

this post is bullshit.

[BlackWidow]

and maybe there should be a thread about how not to write a run-on sentence and actually makes sense.

this post is bullshit.

I.Love.You.:xoxo:

[Serrart]

I don't quite get it :shrug: .If we older fans were that stuck in a time warp then we should be delighted to hear the old classics over and over again rather then expect anything new?It's true that alot of the casual boomer fans want just that and that is whom she seems to be focused on but some of us know that she is capable of more than that.Does that make us delusional?

Mine was a provocation, and I don't think provocations need to be explained but you're making a polite question so I answer.

I'm not expressing a judgement on baby boomers in general (that would be easy, btw), and I was not referring especially to them, but to all those who keep watching Stevie Nicks comparing her to what she was in the past, or using her as a mirror to what they were in the past. We all change and she changed too, I just think her choices deserve the same respect we want for ours.

Romy

[BlackWidow]

Mine was a provocation, and I don't think provocations need to be explained but you're making a polite question so I answer.

I'm not expressing a judgement on baby boomers in general (that would be easy, btw), and I was not referring especially to them, but to all those who keep watching Stevie Nicks comparing her to what she was in the past, or using her as a mirror to what they were in the past. We all change and she changed too, I just think her choices deserve the same respect we want for ours.

Romy
I personally stopped caring years ago.
The point that myself and others were making is:
She is stale and stagant because she has not changed!

[catinthedark]

I personally stopped caring years ago.
The point that myself and others were making is:
She is stale and stagant because she has not changed!

dingdingidingdingding!

give the man a prize.

[BlackWidow]

dingdingidingdingding!

give the man a prize.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

[Serrart]

I personally stopped caring years ago.
The point that myself and others were making is:
She is stale and stagant because she has not changed!

Oh yes she did, we all do, but since she didn't change in the direction you (said in general) want you don't see it at all.

Romy

[BlackWidow]

Oh yes she did, we all do, but since she didn't change in the direction you (said in general) want you don't see it at all.

Romy

any change would have been good.:shrug: :lol:

[catinthedark]

any change would have been good.:shrug: :lol:

damn you. she changed one of her shawls.

didn't she?

[BlackWidow]

damn you. she changed one of her shawls.

didn't she?

shit..i forgot about the shawl change...:distress:

[Serrart]

any change would have been good.:shrug: :lol:

Apparently not. Any way here are some, in case you (always said in general) didn't notice them:

- she doesn't seem to consider anymore Lindsey the mastermind for the production of her songs.

- She toured and keeps touring with different artists, showing obviously a new enthusiasm for live shows.

- She doesn't seem that eager to get back to FM

- she worked actively as she had never done before on a greatest hits cd/dvd release.

Now, the way these changes might be connected or not only time could tell. They could bring her to a new album, to constant touring with her hits for the next years, to a different field of art. Beside common knowledge, fans aren't able to predict the future.

Romy

[BlackWidow]

Apparently not. Any way here are some, in case you (always said in general) didn't notice them:

- she doesn't seem to consider anymore Lindsey the mastermind for the production of her songs.

- She toured and keeps touring with different artists, showing obviously a new enthusiasm for live shows.

- She doesn't seem that eager to get back to FM

- she worked actively as she had never done before on a greatest hits cd/dvd release.

Now, the way these changes might be connected or not only time could tell. They could bring her to a new album, to constant touring with her hits for the next years, to a different field of art. Beside common knowledge, fans aren't able to predict the future.

Romy

um - she can't stop talking about Lindsey..and nitpicking his every move.

Um - she tours..and tours..and tours..same old crap setlist.

um - she will gladly go back to FM whenever they call her..what else is she up to?

um - she churned out the same old shit we have been buying/hearing for over 20 yrs now.

Her patterns have shown us her future is very predictable.

[Serrart]

um - she can't stop talking about Lindsey..and nitpicking his every move.

Um - she tours..and tours..and tours..same old crap setlist.

um - she will gladly go back to FM whenever they call her..what else is she up to?

um - she churned out the same old shit we have been buying/hearing for over 20 yrs now.

Her patterns have shown us her future is very predictable.


Actually i think that only the unsustainable heaviness of some of her fans is very predictable.

Romy

[Kelly]

um - she can't stop talking about Lindsey..and nitpicking his every move.

Um - she tours..and tours..and tours..same old crap setlist.

um - she will gladly go back to FM whenever they call her..what else is she up to?

um - she churned out the same old shit we have been buying/hearing for over 20 yrs now.

Her patterns have shown us her future is very predictable.



Don't forget that she actually handed Lindsey the set list for the next Fleetwood Mac tour. :lol: (Hell she even discussed microphone positions, that is how much thought she has put into it) Stevie would be with FM right now if Lindsey wanted to tour.



Also, where did Stevie say she does not consider Lindsey the mastermind behind her songs production? I cannot think of a time when she ever said publically he WAS the mastermind behind her songs production. I think Jimmy Iovine proved to her many years ago that other people can produce hits for her. So I don't see any change from her there in recent years.

[catinthedark]

Apparently not. Any way here are some, in case you (always said in general) didn't notice them:

- she doesn't seem to consider anymore Lindsey the mastermind for the production of her songs.

- She toured and keeps touring with different artists, showing obviously a new enthusiasm for live shows.

- She doesn't seem that eager to get back to FM

- she worked actively as she had never done before on a greatest hits cd/dvd release.


Romy

yyyikes, romy. you just pretty much dug the grave and buried your own argument.

if that's the best you can come up with to prove she's changed along with the rest of us in the past decade?

[Serrart]

yyyikes, romy. you just pretty much dug the grave and buried your own argument.

if that's the best you can come up with to prove she's changed along with the rest of us in the past decade?

I don't have to prove anything, I see some things as signals in a certain direction while you don't. I just think that people go to different speeds in their lives but anyway they always keep moving, and that's magnified for an artist. To give Stevie time and trust is the least I can do.

About FM Kelly, I don't know. Something must have happened during the last tour, IMO. I don't get the dynamics among them right now, especially between Buckingham and Nicks. The 2007 anniversary potential not brought up by them made me think.


Romy

[BlackWidow]

Don't forget that she actually handed Lindsey the set list for the next Fleetwood Mac tour. :lol: (Hell she even discussed microphone positions, that is how much thought she has put into it) Stevie would be with FM right now if Lindsey wanted to tour.



Also, where did Stevie say she does not consider Lindsey the mastermind behind her songs production? I cannot think of a time when she ever said publically he WAS the mastermind behind her songs production. I think Jimmy Iovine proved to her many years ago that other people can produce hits for her. So I don't see any change from her there in recent years.

I Love.You.

[BlackWidow]

yyyikes, romy. you just pretty much dug the grave and buried your own argument.

if that's the best you can come up with to prove she's changed along with the rest of us in the past decade?

:nod: :laugh: :nod: :laugh:

[jannieC]

Mine was a provocation, and I don't think provocations need to be explained but you're making a polite question so I answer.

I'm not expressing a judgement on baby boomers in general (that would be easy, btw), and I was not referring especially to them, but to all those who keep watching Stevie Nicks comparing her to what she was in the past, or using her as a mirror to what they were in the past. We all change and she changed too, I just think her choices deserve the same respect we want for ours.

Romy

I apologize- I misunderstood your post (I think).

[DeeGeMe]

Did it ever occur to any of you that she's not responsible for the questions she gets asks by reporters? Of course they ask her about the drug addictions, of course they ask her about LB. That's no doubt what they want to talk about and do you really think that the average reporter interviewing her is going to be as familiar with her career and her life as we all are? Do you really think the average reporter is going to ask her the same questions we'd ask her if we got a shot at interviewing her? Furthermore, face facts: drugs and sex sell! What else do you think they are going to focus on in interviews? Stevie has no control over what people want to write about her or what questions they ask her in interviews.

Secondly, let me tell you my own experience when I last saw stevie on the Gold Dust tour. People in my section were on their feet, dancing away until she played "Fall from Grace". Half the people around me sat down. They weren't familiar with the song. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with her sticking to her most familiar songs, it's what the average audience member (not the diehard fan) knows and probably paid their money to see. Let me end by quoting James Taylor on the subject, from his song, That's Why I'm Here:

"People pay good money to hear you sing Fire and Rain
Again and again and again."

Think about it. (Hey, that's a Stevie song!).

[Beatlesfan]

Ok, I'm posting this having only read the first and last page of this, so if I repeat stuff, I apologize now.

This is all deja vu to me. When I became a Tom Petty fan I saw the saaaaame complaints from his fan base. So I'll say the same thing here that I did in regards to his shows:

I am a new fan. I have NEVER seen her live. If I went and saw her for the first time, and she played a bunch of random stuff with very few 'hits' that I would recognize, I don't think I'd enjoy it as much. Sure, I know EVERY song from BD, TWH, SA, and TISL, but when it comes to the rest, I'm a "Room's On Fire" "Talk To Me" fan. If she started playing other deeper cuts, I'd have no clue what the heck she was singing, and there are few things that are more awkward to me than going to a rock n roll show and having no idea what the act is singing.....

That being said, I wouldn't want that same setlist EVERY time, but being a 'first time fan,' it'd be nice to hear the 'same old stuff' at least once because I never have before.

[Richard B]

Secondly, let me tell you my own experience when I last saw stevie on the Gold Dust tour. People in my section were on their feet, dancing away until she played "Fall from Grace". Half the people around me sat down. They weren't familiar with the song. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with her sticking to her most familiar songs, it's what the average audience member (not the diehard fan) knows and probably paid their money to see.

When I was a very young kid, I was at The Wild Heart Tour and I wasn't "into" Stevie Nicks yet, so I was only familiar with The Wild Heart album and a bit of Bella Donna. When she played "Gold and Braid" and "Sara," I had never heard those songs before, so it was hard to be a jumpy, dancing, spazzy fool. But just because I wasn't, doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. You don't have to dance and stand up to enjoy a song you are not familiar with.

This goes with many live shows I see from any artist. Sometimes you gotta sit back and listen to something that is new.

[AliceLover]

Its so funny, I bitch and bitch about the set list, yet I just told my mom I am probably going to save up and take some of my graduation money and buy from a broker to get a front row seat.

Its definitely a love/hate relationship. :laugh: