Another new Australian interview-The Age

[Livia]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/a-magical-life/2006/02/09/1139465789637.html


A magical life
February 12, 2006

One of the many rumours that have trailed along behind Stevie Nicks since she joined an ailing Fleetwood Mac in 1975 and helped to turn them into one of the most successful bands in pop history, is that she is some kind of witch. Some rather credulous people believe her lyrics in songs such as Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman and even the recent Sorcerer reference a demi-monde of white magic and wiccan ritual. As further evidence they point to her music publishing company, Welsh Witch Music, an allusion to both the song Rhiannon and the Celtic lunar goddess who inspired it.

Perhaps during the heady years of the 1970s and '80s - a time when, as Nicks has admitted, she took so much cocaine that "you could put a big gold ring through my septum" - the singer's lifestyle was wild and magical enough for these kind of rumours to flourish. But now, at the age of 57, Nicks is as far from witchy as you can imagine, and no longer willing to humour such romantic delusions.

"I've become very neat in my older age," Nicks says in her famous husky drawl. The living room in her Los Angeles mansion is all red velvet and hanging palms, she tells me, with a crystal ball on her coffee table and elegant candles on her grand piano. But there is an edge to all this orderliness that is almost compulsive. "I used to be a lot crazier, but now I really want everything to be beautiful, and it makes me nervous when things aren't," she says. "I'll get up and straighten up everything if I have to, even in a hotel room."

That revelation offers a little glimpse of the interior life of Stevie Nicks, but with her solo recording career now a fading memory and the recent Fleetwood Mac reunion a creative disappointment, it seems there's nothing to stop her speaking her mind. So she dismisses the mysticism in her songwriting, arguably the very trait that has earned her millions of fans worldwide, by reducing it to an act of calculation. "I write in codes, because I want my songs to appeal to everyone," she says. "From the beginning, I've had fans that are 20, 30 years older, so those people are now like 102, or dead! The first bright idea for a lyric comes, and then I go back and I say, 'Well, that line is really too heavy, I'm going to take that out, because that line might turn off one generation'. I'm very careful to cover all bases."

Can it really be the case that, beneath the gauzy gold-dust image, the real Stevie Nicks is so careful, pragmatic and razor-sharp? It's worth remembering that in 1973, when her pre-Fleetwood album with boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham stiffed, it was Nicks who worked menial jobs to pay the rent and to keep their dreams alive, each night stepping over the passed-out bodies of Buckingham and his muso buddies as she returned home from waiting tables or cleaning houses. In other words, Nicks is a woman who has always known what she wants and is willing to do whatever it takes to get it.

But these days there's not that much left to aim for. Fleetwood Mac have sold more than 70 million records since Nicks joined the group, while her six solo albums (beginning with 1981's now classic Bella Donna) have sold in excess of 20 million. Nicks is an all-pervasive element of modern pop culture, maybe not as influential now as at her height, but still a figure to be referenced (mockingly or otherwise) everywhere from South Park to The Simpsons, and to be covered by artists as young and current as Lindsay Lohan and Joss Stone.

Little surprise, then, that she feels no pressure to produce new material. "It's like, does it really matter at this point?" she says when asked if she is working on a follow-up to her last solo album, 2001's Trouble In Shangri-La. "Do people really want to hear a whole other solo record, when you can get one or two songs for I-Tunes? I'm thinking about a way you could just put out a few songs once in a while, maybe four songs that you loved, instead of having to figure out 16 songs, many of which you might not love."

The singer could be making a backhanded reference to Say You Will, the 2003 Fleetwood Mac album that Nicks recorded without long-time ally and confidante Christine McVie, who left the band in 1998 in favour of a quiet life in London. Originally conceived as a Lindsey Buckingham solo project, Say You Will came to resemble two separate albums awkwardly squashed together, with nine songs apiece from Buckingham and Nicks alternating in strict succession.

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

It seems that almost 30 years after the end of her romantic relationship with Buckingham there's still tension. But you would never have known it in February 2004, at the Melbourne show of the 135-date Say You Will tour. Buckingham kissed Nicks' hand several times during the show, while she draped her arms tenderly over his shoulders as he played guitar.

According to Nicks, that tenderness, like her witchy lyrics, was just for show. "We are extremely professional, and when we get up there on the stage we get lost on the fun parts of the show," she explains. "So it's never going to show anything bad, because we're always going to rise above and concentrate on the good things."

Nicks' successful battle against addiction has also improved her ability to rise above. After two decades spent in the thrall of cocaine, alcohol and the prescription sedative Klonopin (which she describes as the worst thing of all), Nicks has been drug-free since 1994. So the past 12 years have been perhaps less colourful, but definitely smoother sailing. "My life is calmer now because I'm not on drugs, but it's also wonderful and exciting because I'm not on drugs. A lot of the time during those last four or five years before I went into rehab, I really didn't think I was going to make it out alive. So I'm thrilled every day that I did."

She lives alone in Los Angeles and has no room for a man in her life, preferring the freedom to be able to take off for Australia for six weeks, fly to Washington to visit injured soldiers, or play a corporate function in New York. "If I meet somebody, that's great," she says. "But if that doesn't happen I'm not lonely. I'm happy and I have lots of fun by myself. I'm not looking for somebody to fill up my life."

Nicks is similarly at peace with her decision to favour her career over starting a family. "I have lots of kids," she says happily, meaning her niece, four god-daughters and one godson. "It's much more fun to be the crazy auntie than it is to be the mom, anyway. I couldn't do what I'm doing if I had kids."

Even the death last year of her 80-year-old father Jess has made little impact on Nicks' serenity. "I have had a very easy time with it, and the reason is that he did 55 of those 135 Fleetwood Mac shows with us," she says. "He had such a great time, he had a little electric scooter and he was buzzing all over the venues."

Six months after the end of the Fleetwood Mac reunion tour, her father joined her again on a short US solo tour with Don Henley. But this time things were very different. "I said out loud to everybody, 'In my heart I really wish that he would just go on to the next plane, because he is not having fun'," Nicks says. " 'He doesn't feel well, he can't buzz around in his scooter any more, someone is wheeling him around in a wheelchair, and he is hating it.' "

The next night, Jess Nicks fell in his hotel room. A week later, he was dead. "I really took it with the grace he would have wanted," his daughter says. "I feel he pushes me towards the beauty in my life. So it's been OK. I'm not sad, I'm just glad that he's not in pain any more."

This confrontation with mortality has led Nicks to review her own life, and the singer is considering writing an autobiography, though she jokes that the people involved aren't yet old enough that she could safely name names. "I have to wait till we're 90, and then nobody would care," she says with a laugh.

And despite the ups and downs, the struggles with lovers, bandmates and addiction, Nicks is well aware that she has led a charmed - some might say magical - life. "I've had a lot of amazing experiences, and it is all good," she says. "Even the bad stuff is interlaced with the good, so it wouldn't be just one depressing monologue. It's a fabulous story. A Cinderella story for all of us, not just me."

Stevie Nicks performs with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra at Rod Laver Arena on Saturday. Tel: 132 849

[greatdarkwing]

Wow....she sounds so uninspired...the end of the road is near...

[heyjupiter678]

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."
Ouch.

(But I agree with her about the demos.)

[DavidMn]

Ouch.

(But I agree with her about the demos.)Yeah, I was wuite surprised to hear that.

[gldstwmn]

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."



Silver Girl was definitely better (as a demo) from what I heard. And I never liked Smile At You as much as the demo. I also love the acoustic version of Goodbye Baby from the Destiny Rules doc as opposed to the finished product. The only song on that record that sounded true to Fleetwood Mac form was Destiny Rules.
Man, she gave up some of her best songs for this record and she didn't even like the way they turned out? Unbelievable.:distress:

[turquoise5]

I just can't believe what I'm reading...this is so sad. All her life, Stevie has said she's a writer and wants to write until her dying day. I would hate to see Stevie become just another nostalgia act. If she doesn't have the energy or interest in doing another album I want her to put out EPs (do they even make those anymore?), iTune singles or contribute to soundtracks. We can only hope we haven't seen the last of her incredible songs.

[MacMan]

Little surprise, then, that she feels no pressure to produce new material. "It's like, does it really matter at this point?" she says when asked if she is working on a follow-up to her last solo album, 2001's Trouble In Shangri-La. "Do people really want to hear a whole other solo record, when you can get one or two songs for I-Tunes? I'm thinking about a way you could just put out a few songs once in a while, maybe four songs that you loved, instead of having to figure out 16 songs, many of which you might not love."

YES I DO!!!

[Sahara]

This is sad... distressing. :(

[Serrart]

YES I DO!!!


Definitely, And those four songs would be great too Stevie!

I didn't find this interview so distressing. She's changed her mind many times, I still think sooner or later that new album will appear (two songs here, three songs there...).

What really surprised me was her feeling towards Say You Will. I didn't know she felt so disappointed about the way it turned out, there's clearly a quite tough critique to Lindsey's production. Now all we need to do it's to find those two filmakers... I want to see the real making of. :nod:

Romy

[Bryan]

I remember reading an interview with Lindsey from '03 where he stated that Stevie had yet to thank him,or say 'great job with my songs'. So I assume the whole time she wouldn't reveal the fact that she wasn't pleased with them to the press while promoting the album,obviously in case of hurting the promo for it. It's a shame that she's so critical of her work,but then again it's Lindsey's work she seems to be criticising not her own..either way-it's a shame

[StreetAngel86]

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

does Stevie have bi-polar?
what the hell is this shit
why does everything she say contradict what she said 3 years ago or even yesterday?

TISL demos were better NOT SYW demos Stevie. pay attention :nod:

[THINKABOUTIT]

WOW!! the fact that she believed "Say You Will" to be a disappointment feels a little disheartening. The album is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to know the exact reasons why she believes that...eventhough she and Lindsay both got 9 tracks on the album. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is surprised ;) Just..wow!! I'm still in shock

[gold_dustgypsy]

Was this actually in the paper... or just on "The Age" website? :confused:

[StreetAngel86]

WOW!! the fact that she believed "Say You Will" to be a disappointment feels a little disheartening. The album is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to know the exact reasons why she believes that...eventhough she and Lindsay both got 9 tracks on the album. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is surprised ;) Just..wow!! I'm still in shock


that made me VERY sad :shocked:
SYW is my FAVORITE FM album by miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles
I pretty much love every song on it.....including Lindsey's which is not usual for me coz i'm biased towards STevie :lol:
but Stevie should feel very proud of it
Wasn't Destiny Rules the only song she wasn't happy with........how it was mixed etc? And that song still rocks.

Silver Girl on the other hand...........should have been left a bit more raw as well as Goodbye Baby

but seriously...........if ANYONE gets to ask her ANYTHING in the next few weeks ask her WHY this is before I cry

[rbs3676]

This is my favorite interview from her in years!
FABULOUS!!! :xoxo:

rbs

[Livia]

This part cracks me up:

But there is an edge to all this orderliness that is almost compulsive. "I used to be a lot crazier, but now I really want everything to be beautiful, and it makes me nervous when things aren't," she says. "I'll get up and straighten up everything if I have to, even in a hotel room."

Reminds me of that Ab Fab episode where Eddie's on a compulsive rampage, going, "I want nothing but CLEAN surfaces!"

I'm surprised no one's commented on this part. But then again, "it's nothing that I didn't knooooow."

According to Nicks, that tenderness, like her witchy lyrics, was just for show. "We are extremely professional, and when we get up there on the stage we get lost on the fun parts of the show," she explains. "So it's never going to show anything bad, because we're always going to rise above and concentrate on the good things."

[StreetAngel86]

I'm surprised no one's commented on this part. But then again, "it's nothing that I didn't knooooow."

According to Nicks, that tenderness, like her witchy lyrics, was just for show. "We are extremely professional, and when we get up there on the stage we get lost on the fun parts of the show," she explains. "So it's never going to show anything bad, because we're always going to rise above and concentrate on the good things."

we're ignoring it
coz it's not true. :D

[rbs3676]

According to Nicks, that tenderness, like her witchy lyrics, was just for show. "We are extremely professional, and when we get up there on the stage we get lost on the fun parts of the show," she explains. "So it's never going to show anything bad, because we're always going to rise above and concentrate on the good things."


Um...hello, shippers! :laugh:

rbs

[krrrby]

Sounds like Stevie is having some regrets. I wouldn't mind at all if she stopped recording albums and just did demos. I wish she would polish up some of her old stuff that we all collect, even if it's just playing it at the piano - I'm having withdrawals already.

[StreetAngel86]

Um...hello, shippers! :laugh:

rbs

hullo there ARE no bad parts :laugh:
what they do is outta love :D


as for Stevie recording new shit
I agree with the demos
we all have them any way
polished versions would be lush.


I would like...................i will start a new thread :nod:

[Aussie24]

But there is an edge to all this orderliness that is almost compulsive. "I used to be a lot crazier, but now I really want everything to be beautiful, and it makes me nervous when things aren't," she says. "I'll get up and straighten up everything if I have to, even in a hotel room."
says Stevie.......Great I hope stevie dosent see me in the crowd at her show and ask me to leave.....Because I aint beautiful???:( :( :o

[krrrby]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Oh I'm so sure...

[Livia]

does Stevie have bi-polar?
what the hell is this shit
why does everything she say contradict what she said 3 years ago or even yesterday?

TISL demos were better NOT SYW demos Stevie. pay attention :nod:

Bi-polar, Gemini, same difference. :lol:

[Phoenix]

THIS-WAS-THE-MOST-GOD-AWFUL- INTERVIEW! Dam it! I was already depressed enough!:shocked:

[StreetAngel86]

Bi-polar, Gemini, same difference. :lol:

i was going to bring up the gemini
but i wont accept a faulty star sign trait
as the cause of this article
nope it's
p.s.y.c.h.o.l.o.g.i.c.a.l.

[SortaSavageLike]

Why am I so depressed right now? Because the woman who has touched me so much, got me through rough times, sent chills up my spine and who has made me cry when I needed to, is alive and healthier than she's ever been, but deep down inside, she's beginning to die. :distress: :sorry:

[Rickypt]

WOW.

I wonder if this interview came a few days after this Fleetwood Mac "meeting"? Sounds like Stevie and Lindsey have just had a spat and she's freshly pissed.

I love the interview. It helps me see Stevie as a whole person, someone who can convey disappointment, ambivalence, and lack of confidence.

I really think she is unsure that she can top TISL (which she considers her masterpiece, doesn't matter what we think).

I also don't really believe that she has moved past her father's death. I sense a lot of sadness and maybe even a bit of depression in her words. I'm sure she is glad he is out of pain, but that doesn't mean she isn't grieving. Maybe even a bit of denial going on.

Yes, a bit of a depressing interview, but a very human one. She's not beginning to die, she's showing the ups and downs of living.

[BlackWidow]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/a-magical-life/2006/02/09/1139465789637.html


A magical life
February 12, 2006

One of the many rumours that have trailed along behind Stevie Nicks since she joined an ailing Fleetwood Mac in 1975 and helped to turn them into one of the most successful bands in pop history, is that she is some kind of witch. Some rather credulous people believe her lyrics in songs such as Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman and even the recent Sorcerer reference a demi-monde of white magic and wiccan ritual. As further evidence they point to her music publishing company, Welsh Witch Music, an allusion to both the song Rhiannon and the Celtic lunar goddess who inspired it.

Perhaps during the heady years of the 1970s and '80s - a time when, as Nicks has admitted, she took so much cocaine that "you could put a big gold ring through my septum" - the singer's lifestyle was wild and magical enough for these kind of rumours to flourish. But now, at the age of 57, Nicks is as far from witchy as you can imagine, and no longer willing to humour such romantic delusions.

"I've become very neat in my older age," Nicks says in her famous husky drawl. The living room in her Los Angeles mansion is all red velvet and hanging palms, she tells me, with a crystal ball on her coffee table and elegant candles on her grand piano. But there is an edge to all this orderliness that is almost compulsive. "I used to be a lot crazier, but now I really want everything to be beautiful, and it makes me nervous when things aren't," she says. "I'll get up and straighten up everything if I have to, even in a hotel room."

That revelation offers a little glimpse of the interior life of Stevie Nicks, but with her solo recording career now a fading memory and the recent Fleetwood Mac reunion a creative disappointment, it seems there's nothing to stop her speaking her mind. So she dismisses the mysticism in her songwriting, arguably the very trait that has earned her millions of fans worldwide, by reducing it to an act of calculation. "I write in codes, because I want my songs to appeal to everyone," she says. "From the beginning, I've had fans that are 20, 30 years older, so those people are now like 102, or dead! The first bright idea for a lyric comes, and then I go back and I say, 'Well, that line is really too heavy, I'm going to take that out, because that line might turn off one generation'. I'm very careful to cover all bases."

Can it really be the case that, beneath the gauzy gold-dust image, the real Stevie Nicks is so careful, pragmatic and razor-sharp? It's worth remembering that in 1973, when her pre-Fleetwood album with boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham stiffed, it was Nicks who worked menial jobs to pay the rent and to keep their dreams alive, each night stepping over the passed-out bodies of Buckingham and his muso buddies as she returned home from waiting tables or cleaning houses. In other words, Nicks is a woman who has always known what she wants and is willing to do whatever it takes to get it.

But these days there's not that much left to aim for. Fleetwood Mac have sold more than 70 million records since Nicks joined the group, while her six solo albums (beginning with 1981's now classic Bella Donna) have sold in excess of 20 million. Nicks is an all-pervasive element of modern pop culture, maybe not as influential now as at her height, but still a figure to be referenced (mockingly or otherwise) everywhere from South Park to The Simpsons, and to be covered by artists as young and current as Lindsay Lohan and Joss Stone.

Little surprise, then, that she feels no pressure to produce new material. "It's like, does it really matter at this point?" she says when asked if she is working on a follow-up to her last solo album, 2001's Trouble In Shangri-La. "Do people really want to hear a whole other solo record, when you can get one or two songs for I-Tunes? I'm thinking about a way you could just put out a few songs once in a while, maybe four songs that you loved, instead of having to figure out 16 songs, many of which you might not love."

The singer could be making a backhanded reference to Say You Will, the 2003 Fleetwood Mac album that Nicks recorded without long-time ally and confidante Christine McVie, who left the band in 1998 in favour of a quiet life in London. Originally conceived as a Lindsey Buckingham solo project, Say You Will came to resemble two separate albums awkwardly squashed together, with nine songs apiece from Buckingham and Nicks alternating in strict succession.

"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

It seems that almost 30 years after the end of her romantic relationship with Buckingham there's still tension. But you would never have known it in February 2004, at the Melbourne show of the 135-date Say You Will tour. Buckingham kissed Nicks' hand several times during the show, while she draped her arms tenderly over his shoulders as he played guitar.

According to Nicks, that tenderness, like her witchy lyrics, was just for show. "We are extremely professional, and when we get up there on the stage we get lost on the fun parts of the show," she explains. "So it's never going to show anything bad, because we're always going to rise above and concentrate on the good things."

Nicks' successful battle against addiction has also improved her ability to rise above. After two decades spent in the thrall of cocaine, alcohol and the prescription sedative Klonopin (which she describes as the worst thing of all), Nicks has been drug-free since 1994. So the past 12 years have been perhaps less colourful, but definitely smoother sailing. "My life is calmer now because I'm not on drugs, but it's also wonderful and exciting because I'm not on drugs. A lot of the time during those last four or five years before I went into rehab, I really didn't think I was going to make it out alive. So I'm thrilled every day that I did."

She lives alone in Los Angeles and has no room for a man in her life, preferring the freedom to be able to take off for Australia for six weeks, fly to Washington to visit injured soldiers, or play a corporate function in New York. "If I meet somebody, that's great," she says. "But if that doesn't happen I'm not lonely. I'm happy and I have lots of fun by myself. I'm not looking for somebody to fill up my life."

Nicks is similarly at peace with her decision to favour her career over starting a family. "I have lots of kids," she says happily, meaning her niece, four god-daughters and one godson. "It's much more fun to be the crazy auntie than it is to be the mom, anyway. I couldn't do what I'm doing if I had kids."

Even the death last year of her 80-year-old father Jess has made little impact on Nicks' serenity. "I have had a very easy time with it, and the reason is that he did 55 of those 135 Fleetwood Mac shows with us," she says. "He had such a great time, he had a little electric scooter and he was buzzing all over the venues."

Six months after the end of the Fleetwood Mac reunion tour, her father joined her again on a short US solo tour with Don Henley. But this time things were very different. "I said out loud to everybody, 'In my heart I really wish that he would just go on to the next plane, because he is not having fun'," Nicks says. " 'He doesn't feel well, he can't buzz around in his scooter any more, someone is wheeling him around in a wheelchair, and he is hating it.' "

The next night, Jess Nicks fell in his hotel room. A week later, he was dead. "I really took it with the grace he would have wanted," his daughter says. "I feel he pushes me towards the beauty in my life. So it's been OK. I'm not sad, I'm just glad that he's not in pain any more."

This confrontation with mortality has led Nicks to review her own life, and the singer is considering writing an autobiography, though she jokes that the people involved aren't yet old enough that she could safely name names. "I have to wait till we're 90, and then nobody would care," she says with a laugh.

And despite the ups and downs, the struggles with lovers, bandmates and addiction, Nicks is well aware that she has led a charmed - some might say magical - life. "I've had a lot of amazing experiences, and it is all good," she says. "Even the bad stuff is interlaced with the good, so it wouldn't be just one depressing monologue. It's a fabulous story. A Cinderella story for all of us, not just me."

Stevie Nicks performs with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra at Rod Laver Arena on Saturday. Tel: 132 849
It makes total sense now...Vegas Shows..Gold Dust Tour..No new material. We need to accept that she is winding down now...sad..but true. remember TISL was a nightmare in many respects..it took seven years to complete. She seems kind of defeated. Maybe not so happy with the results of her labours as of late. I'm not surprised. This MSO DVD thing is a way to stay in the spotlight. I think her next project will be a FM Album. That way she can do a few songs that she really loves. This Interview however will not bode well with Lindsey!!!!:cool:

[estranged4life]

"Do people really want to hear a whole other solo record, when you can get one or two songs for I-Tunes? I'm thinking about a way you could just put out a few songs once in a while, maybe four songs that you loved, instead of having to figure out 16 songs, many of which you might not love."


because not everyone has access to I-Tunes, so then you'd be leaving out a substantial amount of fans out of the loop in terms of hearing new material.

[StreetAngel86]

WOW.

I wonder if this interview came a few days after this Fleetwood Mac "meeting"? Sounds like Stevie and Lindsey have just had a spat and she's freshly pissed.

Freshly pissed is good
coz u KNOW what that means :lol:


I really think she is unsure that she can top TISL (which she considers her masterpiece, doesn't matter what we think).

Street Angel could kick TISL outta the water.
and *that* is what *I* think :wavey:
Stevie doesn't need to please herself to please me :lol:

I also don't really believe that she has moved past her father's death. I sense a lot of sadness and maybe even a bit of depression in her words. I'm sure she is glad he is out of pain, but that doesn't mean she isn't grieving. Maybe even a bit of denial going on.

now THAT is clearly evident.
what she says and she she might be feeling i don't think are the same
totally think she throws herself into these shows to *forget* somewhat.


BlackWidow: is Liddy EVER portrayed well when Mama is the one being interviewed and they're NOT in the room together> :lol:

[Ghost_Tracker]

yeah there's a whole thread about this running on seven wonders too.
I had a lot of things to say about it there but overall, personally, I'm not even taking it all that seriously. It's one interview out of thousands that she's done, and it was just another day at work.
Personally I think part of it is that she's sending out some "feelers."
She's sorta saying she's not sure where things are at, and feels tired, and just like anyone else would be, isn't sure what to do next.
But in my opinion there really are some practical issues for her to consider, too, and I think she's showing that she understands that - CRYSTAL clear.
I also got an impression here, though -
I think maybe she's sort of trying to subtly "redefine" herself a little bit -
she's like, "Yeah okay, 57, i GET it, people! And YEAH i know I gotta be practical and realistic about certain things."
But I also got a sense she put more thought into this interview than it may appear, at first glance - I think maybe she's up to something....

At the very least, she's creating "buzz" during her tour - even in these
discussion groups. She AIN'T stupid, after all, and she's been in this game a LOOONNG time. She's got us wonderin' - and even hoping...

[StreetAngel86]

But I also got a sense she put more thought into this interview than it may appear, at first glance - I think maybe she's up to something....

like? :wavey:

[Ghost_Tracker]

like? :wavey:


not sure but i THINK maybe she's trying to "reinvent" herself just a little bit, just not as loudly as Madonna. She's trying to shake the Gypsy image off just a little bit and show her practical, normal side.
Queens have to be practical, after all.... :] ;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

This proves to me my impression that she has bad tastes. Say You Will was brilliance, atleast Lindsey's contributions, and some of her songs on there are the first of hers I've found listenable since some of her Tusk songs. To each their own I guess, if crappy sell-out pop tunes are one's "thing" then let them be disappointed by SYW. Unless she is referring specifically to songs like Say You Will itself, then I agree 100% however she has only herself to blame for that one.

She is always changing her tune. This is news to me that she wasn't "happy" with SYW...at least HER songs. This just shows to me that she is loosing interest in making any new music...and just being creative in general. Where is the old Stevie Nicks who was driven by her creativity and loyal fans...:shrug:

[MacMan]

This part cracks me up:

But there is an edge to all this orderliness that is almost compulsive. "I used to be a lot crazier, but now I really want everything to be beautiful, and it makes me nervous when things aren't," she says. "I'll get up and straighten up everything if I have to, even in a hotel room."

Reminds me of that Ab Fab episode where Eddie's on a compulsive rampage, going, "I want nothing but CLEAN surfaces!"[I]

Yes, clean lines and surfaces... Does this not have a home???

Funny show!!

[StreetAngel86]

not sure but i THINK maybe she's trying to "reinvent" herself just a little bit, just not as loudly as Madonna. She's trying to shake the Gypsy image off just a little bit and show her practical, normal side.
Queens have to be practical, after all.... :] ;)

is that really necessary?
i mean that 'image' IS Stevie
she doesn't need to change

i think she just needs to step outside the square

Move here to Oz.........relax
polish some demos
return back to the US in a year or so
do the club scene *that is AWESOME*
write that ##cking autobio
and who cares about writing new songs
or releasing new records
yes that would be nice
but i would rather one or 2 GOOD songs from Stevie in a year or 3
then a 1/2 assed record that she doesnt even want to do
with COMMERCIAL songs on it coz thats wot she THINKS we want to hear

[StreetAngel86]

This proves to me my impression that she has bad tastes. Say You Will was brilliance, atleast Lindsey's contributions, and some of her songs on there are the first of hers I've found listenable since some of her Tusk songs. To each their own I guess, if crappy sell-out pop tunes are one's "thing" then let them be disappointed by SYW. Unless she is referring specifically to songs like Say You Will itself, then I agree 100% however she has only herself to blame for that one.

if Linds' songs were 'better' than Stevie's it's coz he had 15-odd years to work on them.

not that i completely disagree with you Lux (shocking i know) but if Stevie was disappointed with SYW (the song) it's kinda her fault. SYW (the album) shouldn't have been marketed the way that it was. THey shouldn't have been worried about commercializing it.

they should have released EFO & Red Rover or Come
and garnered a WHOLE new audience!

[tuigirl]

QUOTE=Livia]http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/a-magical-life/2006/02/09/1139465789637.html

This confrontation with mortality has led Nicks to review her own life, and the singer is considering writing an autobiography, though she jokes that the people involved aren't yet old enough that she could safely name names. "I have to wait till we're 90, and then nobody would care," she says with a laugh.[/QUOTE]

You got that right Stevie, at 90 no one is going to care..not even your fans. she needs to get a grip, while she still has all her memory, liveliness and faculties..she needs to write this thing, now or at the least very soon, coz quite frankly, who's bothered about the loony ravings of an old rocker in her 70's or 80's?



"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

To bring this up again, is in bad taste. It's been a couple of years now and she needs to give it a rest.Lindsey didn't have to do it and in affect she's still saying he didn't do a good job...with rubbish like Silver girl, I'm surprised he could do anything with it.He's stuck with her for 30 something years and saved her ass on a number of occasions ( joining FM in the first place and Tango in the night etc...)and yet she still goes on and on...she should be grateful.

I hope a bit of Aussie sunshine will warm her up a bit.

[Kelly]

does Stevie have bi-polar?
what the hell is this shit
why does everything she say contradict what she said 3 years ago or even yesterday?

TISL demos were better NOT SYW demos Stevie. pay attention :nod:



:nod:

Thanks for saying what I have tried to say fifty million times on this board. She sounds done, right?

[Kelly]

QUOTE=Livia]http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/a-magical-life/2006/02/09/1139465789637.html

This confrontation with mortality has led Nicks to review her own life, and the singer is considering writing an autobiography, though she jokes that the people involved aren't yet old enough that she could safely name names. "I have to wait till we're 90, and then nobody would care," she says with a laugh.

You got that right Stevie, at 90 no one is going to care..not even your fans. she needs to get a grip, while she still has all her memory, liveliness and faculties..she needs to write this thing, now or at the least very soon, coz quite frankly, who's bothered about the loony ravings of an old rocker in her 70's or 80's?



"I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't," she says. "I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me. It wasn't very much fun, and I wasn't that pleased with the music. I felt my demos were better, which of course is easy to say, but I did. And what can I say? It wasn't a lot of fun."

To bring this up again, is in bad taste. It's been a couple of years now and she needs to give it a rest.Lindsey didn't have to do it and in affect she's still saying he didn't do a good job...with rubbish like Silver girl, I'm surprised he could do anything with it.He's stuck with her for 30 something years and saved her ass on a number of occasions ( joining FM in the first place and Tango in the night etc...)and yet she still goes on and on...she should be grateful.

I hope a bit of Aussie sunshine will warm her up a bit.[/QUOTE]


Great post and I totally agree. It is obvious she is done with her solo music, it has been to me for a few years now. However, the Lindsey bashing...enough already. It has been going on for decades and he has saved her ass more than people know, IMHO. It is ridiculous and unprofessional. She spends more time trying to create this image of how she "doesn't get along with LB" than she does on any other part of the interview...its bull and I am sick of him allowing her to do it. Stand up for yourself Linds! (note..she mentioned her Dad's passing and how she got through it just fine...is that a crumb she is tossing? sheesh)

[Sahara]

WOW.

I wonder if this interview came a few days after this Fleetwood Mac "meeting"? Sounds like Stevie and Lindsey have just had a spat and she's freshly pissed.

I love the interview. It helps me see Stevie as a whole person, someone who can convey disappointment, ambivalence, and lack of confidence.

I really think she is unsure that she can top TISL (which she considers her masterpiece, doesn't matter what we think).

I also don't really believe that she has moved past her father's death. I sense a lot of sadness and maybe even a bit of depression in her words. I'm sure she is glad he is out of pain, but that doesn't mean she isn't grieving. Maybe even a bit of denial going on.

Yes, a bit of a depressing interview, but a very human one. She's not beginning to die, she's showing the ups and downs of living.


I completely agree. Thanks for making me slightly more optimistic. :xoxo:

[JohnL]

Well, I for one agree with Stevie on the demos versus the finished product on Say You Will. I have not heard the entire batch of demos she offered up for Say You Will, but the pieces I heard on Destiny Rules...were 300 times better than what ended up on the album. Silver Girl is definitely not one of my favorites on SYW but when they were playing it when she first arrived at that house, I really liked it. I liked the flute added...her voice sounded much more vulnerable. And don't even get me started on the song Say You Will. I think Lindsey f#@%ed it up. Just my opinion...

[RockALittle250]

Stevie is always contradicting herself. She is always saying she loves Fleetwood Mac because it's much more fun to be in a band with people you love and can enjoy making an album (or touring) with, then to be by yourself as a solo artist. Now she says Say You Will was not enjoyable at all, and she sees no point in doing another solo record? Personally, I think the reason is she is still sour that both records still haven't gone Platinum yet. Watch, I bet as soon as one of them does go Platinum, she'll change her tune. :shocked:

[skcin]

yeah there's a whole thread about this running on seven wonders too.
I had a lot of things to say about it there but overall, personally, I'm not even taking it all that seriously. It's one interview out of thousands that she's done, and it was just another day at work.
Personally I think part of it is that she's sending out some "feelers."
She's sorta saying she's not sure where things are at, and feels tired, and just like anyone else would be, isn't sure what to do next.
But in my opinion there really are some practical issues for her to consider, too, and I think she's showing that she understands that - CRYSTAL clear.
I also got an impression here, though -
I think maybe she's sort of trying to subtly "redefine" herself a little bit -
she's like, "Yeah okay, 57, i GET it, people! And YEAH i know I gotta be practical and realistic about certain things."
But I also got a sense she put more thought into this interview than it may appear, at first glance - I think maybe she's up to something....

At the very least, she's creating "buzz" during her tour - even in these
discussion groups. She AIN'T stupid, after all, and she's been in this game a LOOONNG time. She's got us wonderin' - and even hoping...


I agree with much of your post. That being said, I will not totally stop hoping for new solo material (whether it be a live DVD, some soundtrack tunes, or a whole CD) but I won't be holding my breath either.

BTW - has she ever said that any of her recording sessions with Mac were fun? Doesn't she always bitch that it's dull, and they fight all the time? And don't they always bitch that she's not in the studio enough? Nothing new to me.

[SpyNote]

A friend and I have been discussing what Stevie said in that interview in email. Here are my ramblings on the subject:

Stevie's very cranky in that article. It made me sad
too. I do have to agree with her about her songs
though. I was only happy with how one of the songs
turned out, that's Destiny Rules. I thought the rest
of them sounded incomplete, like demos.

I still think Lindsey's a great producer, but his work
on SYW does put things into prospective. Lindsey is a
visionary, innovator, and basically likes to do things
that are not overtly commercial. He goes against the
grain. This shows on all of his solo albums, where he
was master of his domain -- the sole producer in
control and the reason why his albums were not
commercially successful (not lack of promotion).

But with his Fleetwood Mac work, he was kind of held
on a tight leash and not really allowed to be too
radical, until Say You Will came along. Without
Christine, who I now believe was the driving force
behind the Fleetwood Mac sound, Lindsey was truly
free to be the producer who he's wanted to be, AND had
the backing of major record label promotion. You might
recall that Reprise didn't want to promote his last
solo record, which was totally devastating for
him.

Granted, Tusk was very different for its time and
featured sounds like other FM album previously, but
these elements were showcased on Lindsey's material
only, which made the album seem different because he
had the most songs on it! Stevie and Christine's stuff
were basically mainstream, typical Mac productions.

SYW was Lindsey's baby. It was like his most evolved
solo work to date. But his productions did not quite
sound right quite on Stevie's material. I'd argue that
he did spend less time, energy, and creativity on her stuff
because most of her songs sound incomplete when
weighed against his songs. Smile At You, Silver
Girl, and Goodbye Baby sound painfully skeletal. Others
like Running Through the Garden and Everybody Finds Out
sound dated.

I also think most of her songs would have benefited
from piano arrangements, the Christine dynamic,
because they were probably all initially developed on the piano.
For Smile At You, the forlorn piano element was part
of why the song was so intense, aside from the heavy
guitar and lyrical parts.

I still love and respect Lindsey's work. But I truly
understand the dynamics of his production work now and
have come to the conclusion that he is actually not
the best producer for Stevie.

[johndoe]

My problem with SYW was that he tried to go back to the Rumours era, but still mix it in with contemporary music. I think some of the thing he did with his voice on SYW (making it more high pitched on Murrow,Come) showed that he wanted to have an old FM song, mixed with newer stuff, so a lot of his vocals are crap.

Stevie and Lindsey are an awful pair. They're both control freaks who don't play well with others. But, I think the fault here lies on Stevie. If Lindsey is the producer of the album, its going to be his call. Its not up to her, so she should just deal with it and stop whining. Lindseys not a good producer for her, yeah, bt shes in a band. Its not Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac, its Fleetwood Mac. If she wants her music to sound the way she wants it, then she should go make a solo album, but wait! She doesn't even want to do that.

So, if shes not going to make a solo album, she should stop bitching about the way her songs come out when they're on an FM album.

[ReFleetwoodMac]

If Lindsey is the producer of the album, its going to be his call. Its not up to her, so she should just deal with it and stop whining. Lindseys not a good producer for her, yeah, bt shes in a band. Its not Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac, its Fleetwood Mac. If she wants her music to sound the way she wants it, then she should go make a solo album, but wait! She doesn't even want to do that.

So, if shes not going to make a solo album, she should stop bitching about the way her songs come out when they're on an FM album.
So because it's not Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac, because she's in a band, she should completely accept her songs turning out badly? She should bow down to Lindsey and never say a peep while he destroys her most precious thoughts and emotions for all the world to hear? If only we could all find co-workers like that.

[johndoe]

hahahahahaha

Well, I guess you're right. If it was like, her singing and Lindsey playing rubber band while John sings backing vocals and Lindsey's two year old bangs on pots and pans, she could step up to the mic, but if the songs came out well enough that her fans are happy,I think that then she shouldn't complain.

[SpyNote]

But, I think the fault here lies on Stevie. If Lindsey is the producer of the album, its going to be his call. Its not up to her, so she should just deal with it and stop whining. Lindseys not a good producer for her, yeah, bt shes in a band. Its not Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac, its Fleetwood Mac.

Maybe not Lindsey, but a producer who can be a little more objective and truer to the traditional Fleetwood Mac sound, like Ken Caillat, Richard Dashut or Keith Olsen. I admire what Lindsey does for his own projects, but for Fleetwood Mac, I like those records to sound like Rumours and Mirage :woohoo:

[Rickypt]

She spends more time trying to create this image of how she "doesn't get along with LB" than she does on any other part of the interview

Well, you don't really know that. The article is an edited version of the interview and the author is clearly interested in focusing on this one aspect.

For all we know, Stevie spent an hour talking about other topics and five minutes on SYW.

Regardless, this interview has erased any slight interest I had in seeing FM in concert again. No way am I coughing up nearly $200 (probably over that by the time they tour) to watch Stevie and Lindsey's phony interactions.

[David]

Why am I so depressed right now? Because the woman who has touched me so much, got me through rough times, sent chills up my spine and who has made me cry when I needed to, is alive and healthier than she's ever been, but deep down inside, she's beginning to die. :distress: :sorry:Makes me think of that long-ago quote from Lindsey about Stevie in that old David Gans interview. He said, "She's never been happy inside."

[David]

Regardless, this interview has erased any slight interest I had in seeing FM in concert again.I would imagine that if Lindsey sees it or hears of it--assuming he isn't aware of her true feelings about SYW already--he's probably going to feel the same way about working on a Fleetwood Mac project.

Why work (voluntarily) with a group of people who don't like your work? That can be more than a little disheartening. At some point, you have to question just what you're doing there in that room or that house with them.

Maybe this band should break up. They've been in a partial state of breakup for a few decades now, anyway. They just don't seem to dig working together.

I guess, from their point of view, one reason to continue working together would be the millions of dollars they make from touring. We'll see whether they will continue to settle for being financially rewarded for their misery in the future.

I want to hear what Dissention thinks about it. Also Jake.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Talk about having a bad attitude. I have to say that I have lost interest in Stevie’s music and this really just makes it even worse. Has menopause done something to Stevie? Is she on hormone therapy? She just seems really bitter and cranky and that “straighten up everything” comment just seems to me to be an excuse for another underlying problem. Either that or she regrets not being a 'cleaning lady".:laugh:
She still acts as if Lindsey is the Ayatollah. I can’t Lindsey being quite that bad but I hate to say it maybe she brings that side of him out. Maybe she brings the worst of people out with her sour attitude. She always seemed a bit ticked off on the DR doc. Talking bad about others is not flattering, Stevie and that goes for Lindsey.
Maybe this is the real Stevie or maybe she is just becoming a bitter old lady. Either way I would not be too quick to get her next solo project.

[gldstwmn]

I also think most of her songs would have benefited
from piano arrangements, the Christine dynamic,
because they were probably all initially developed on the piano.
For Smile At You, the forlorn piano element was part
of why the song was so intense, aside from the heavy
guitar and lyrical parts.



Perfect. :nod: A huge mistake was made in not allowing Christine to only work in the studio with them.

[WelshWitchPMD]

Perfect. :nod: A huge mistake was made in not allowing Christine to only work in the studio with them.

But not allow any new songs from her?

[gldstwmn]

But not allow any new songs from her?

Not at all. They should have let her have her songs. What would it matter? They play the same set list anyway. :laugh:

[WelshWitchPMD]

Not at all. They should have let her have her songs. What would it matter? They play the same set list anyway. :laugh:

I think that Lindsey should have walked away from SYW and just made his solo album.:laugh:

[ShangriLaTroubl]

What a depressing article...:shocked:

Chris

[danax6]

So because it's not Stevie Nicks featuring Fleetwood Mac, because she's in a band, she should completely accept her songs turning out badly? She should bow down to Lindsey and never say a peep while he destroys her most precious thoughts and emotions for all the world to hear? If only we could all find co-workers like that.Exactly why it pisses me off to hear her talk like this. If she didn't like it, she could have just said so, she should have stepped up and said, "You know Linds, this is not really what I had pictured my songs to sound like." Heck, she doesn't have a problem doing just that most of the time anyway. Don't start whining about it years after the fact, or worse, use it as an excuse to not want to bring out any new material.

[Alexbt]

While I think that the Christine element is really necessary in a FM album, some major mistakes were made in the recording of SYW, notably in Stevie's vocal performances.

I think that the home studio setting was far too casual to get optimal results.
As I've finally seen Destiny Rules, I can now see why Stevie's vocals all sound like utter crap.

SHE'S SITTING DOWN THE WHOLE TIME.

I saw her on the Gold Dust Tour and she sounded fantastic. Even on Live in Boston she sounded great. She was obviously not getting the breath support she needs to sing well...

That's just what eats at me most about the SYW recordings.

[gldstwmn]

I think that Lindsey should have walked away from SYW and just made his solo album.:laugh:

Hey, I like Gift Of Screws. But whoever said SYW sounds like two different solo records is right. The only "Macish" song from LB is What's The World Coming To, IMO.

[Nicks Fan]

I may be in the minority but am the only who is turned off by Lindsey's Singing these days. It seems like every song he does has voice alterations or distortions that sound terrible. I mean with Red Rover and Come I could hardly understand what the hell he was saying. As for the SYW album I agree it was not a classic but it was about the best work they produced since TITN. To me it seemed like they were in a much better place. I think Chistines presence would have made it better but for what it is SYW is a pretty good album. My major gripe was that the SWY tour was crap The concert I saw in Toronto was ok, but I felt that they were phoning it in and only got inspired every now and then. BC was a great performance though.

I also think that Stevie is being stupid to think that not having a hit album is a reson not to continue making music. it shouldn't matter how much they sell, but the fact they/ she can still make music at all given the things they have gone through is a blessing. So what if TISL didn't go platnium it was still a great album.

Matt

[shackin'up]

well....I guess the next Fleetwood Mac is a three-piece band that has the potence to REALLY break into new grounds. Get rid of the burn-outs and go back to rock'n'roll.

[jannieC]

:shrug: Regardless, this interview has erased any slight interest I had in seeing FM in concert again. No way am I coughing up nearly $200 (probably over that by the time they tour) to watch Stevie and Lindsey's phony interactions.

Did you think that those interactions were genuine? I did, when I saw them for the first time. But once you've seen them do the same thing each show, it kind of loses it's punch. Truthfully, I was <i>glad</i> to hear her say this in the interview- if just to dispel the whole shipper thing. Which of course, it won't- people will just say she's full of sh*t now.

Anyway, let's cut Stevie some slack. Maybe she was just in a bad mood when this interview took place.

[tuigirl]

BTW - has she ever said that any of her recording sessions with Mac were fun? Doesn't she always bitch that it's dull, and they fight all the time? And don't they always bitch that she's not in the studio enough? Nothing new to me.

Yes, she does and it's gotten on my nerves, one time too many. She's 57 and needs to be keeping it to herself. Enough LB bashing,she should be thanking him for all he's done for her for however long, he's done it. To be honest,this interview has really done her no favours.

[JazmenFlowers]

good lord, the interview isn't that dramatic. there are relatively few quotes and nothing that is SO shocking. as with all interviews, take it with a grain of salt and move on.

I love how it's so easy to take an interview where she promises to change her outfits and bring in new songs and it is bashed as rubbish and full o' lies...but when one that may not be full o' shiny happy people it is taken word for word and dissected...as the Madonna song goes "let it will be"

[JazmenFlowers]

Yes, she does and it's gotten on my nerves, one time too many. She's 57 and needs to be keeping it to herself. Enough LB bashing,she should be thanking him for all he's done for her for however long, he's done it. To be honest,this interview has really done her no favours.
I would venture to say she has thanked him quite enough.

As far as keeping it to herself, what does the fact that she's 57 have to do with it?

[JazmenFlowers]

Well, you don't really know that. The article is an edited version of the interview and the author is clearly interested in focusing on this one aspect.

For all we know, Stevie spent an hour talking about other topics and five minutes on SYW.
very true. also, we all know that in today's world, even credible sources, aren't always credible.
Regardless, this interview has erased any slight interest I had in seeing FM in concert again. No way am I coughing up nearly $200 (probably over that by the time they tour) to watch Stevie and Lindsey's phony interactions.
because of this one interview? that's awfully sad.

[DavidMn]

because not everyone has access to I-Tunes, so then you'd be leaving out a substantial amount of fans out of the loop in terms of hearing new material.And the thing I dont like about that is that some peoepl that have access to that stuff look at people that dont as complete and utter morons.

[Sahara]

They've been in a partial state of breakup for a few decades now, anyway.

Exactly. And yet here they are a few decades on. That's why I'm trying to keep a positive attitude on the go about this interview. Like it's been said, maybe it was just a bad day for her? One slightly harsh, fairly pessimistic interview and all of a sudden everybody jumps down her throat, says she's on the way out and we're not buying any more of her solo records? We're not going to any more concerts, not because of the music but because of the "staged" actions of the people we've loved and accepted for years? That's what's really depressing.

I'm totally with Jason and JannieC on this. Cut the lady some slack and take it with the teenciest pinch of salt.

[sarahw]

Sweet....since alot of you won't be attending more Stevie or FM concerts (judging by your posts) I'll be able to get better seats!!!!

Sarah

[Sahara]

Sweet....since alot of you won't be attending more Stevie or FM concerts (judging by your posts) I'll be able to get better seats!!!!

Sarah

Amen to that. Maybe it'll just be five of us in the front row with our little banners going "Wwooooo!"

Fleetwood Mac: :shocked: :confused:
Us: :D

[JazmenFlowers]

Sweet....since alot of you won't be attending more Stevie or FM concerts (judging by your posts) I'll be able to get better seats!!!!

Sarah
LMAO. I didn't think about that.

I won't have to offer some 70 year old exec $300 for his front-row seats anymore! Sounds good to me.

[jannieC]

because of this one interview? that's awfully sad.
That's what I'm saying, Jason :nod: . It's only one interview-give me a freaking break.

[DavidMn]

LMAO. I didn't think about that.

I won't have to offer some 70 year old exec $300 for his front-row seats anymore! Sounds good to me.Thats right!!! Lets get everybody pissed of so we can snag all the good seats!!:lol: :thumbsup:

[tommer]

what an upsetting interview...
you know, it's ironic to read such statements even while her last recording is doing so well in the american dance charts. i think that artistically speaking, stevie's worst enemy is her being such a commercialism whore that can never get enough, like if she doesn't get her hit, then the entire effort was worthless, and that's very depressing, that's not an atrist's perspective, that's a paris hilton standpoint. SYW presented some of her highest points in years, and still she's not satisfied with it! that's so pathetic, 40 years with lindsey buckingham, and she learned almost nothing. she should look around her and realize that at her age one needs to be an artist, not a star. slowly she's becoming a nostalgia act just because that's where the easiest and most immediate commercial success happens to lay.
is stevie's inspiration dead? i surely hope not, but it's becoming a really long hiatus. maybe she needs to go back to drugs and shagging succesful men in order to start feeling like a writer again. kinda sad.

[JazmenFlowers]

like if she doesn't get her hit, then the entire effort was worthless, and that's very depressing, that's not an atrist's perspective, that's a paris hilton standpoint. SYW presented some of her highest points in years, and still she's not satisfied with it!
why do you say this? sure, she has made comments about wanting to be successful (nothing wrong with that), but I don't think there is enough to support your statement

40 years with lindsey buckingham, and she learned almost nothing.
this is almost laughable. maybe in your eyes. one thing I'm glad she didn't learn was to critique the music so much that it is never released at all...

[Serrart]

Do any bands have more melodramatic fans than FM and Stevie Nicks? It's like to be in a Douglas Sirk movie sometimes.

Actually I find this interview cathartic. If she wasn't satisfied with the album why can't she say it? She was a trooper during the promotion and the tour, but as far as I know FM isn't a monastic order, even being in the band, they can still say what they think after a reasonable amount of time. I don 't agree with her on SYW, I think it's a brilliant album as a whole but I'm quite convinced that LB isn't probably at this moment the best producer for her songs. The SYW Buckinghamation applied to some of her demos, created a quite evident distony in some cases, to my ears.

Maybe she'll change her mind again tomorrow, maybe not, we'll see, but the fact that they grew apart a lot as musicians it's evident. I still think they can make a new interesting album as FM, but why is it inconceivable not to have Buckingham as a producer?

About the solo career, whatever she will like to do, It's fine with me. If she will prefer an old glory career, okay, not my cup of tea, but I'll still go to see her. Personally though I think she would keep using the recording room in her new house.

By the way, Stevie will never lose my respect as a person and as an artist, also because she doesn't keep me waiting for Godot.

Romy

[tommer]

why do you say this? sure, she has made comments about wanting to be successful (nothing wrong with that), but I don't think there is enough to support your statement


this is almost laughable. maybe in your eyes. one thing I'm glad she didn't learn was to critique the music so much that it is never released at all...

1. i'm always under the impression that she's more attached to her inferior efforts (that made me stronger, silver girl, ect.) always glad to be interviewed about them, and does lame songs like say you will in hoping to achieve success that way, instead of highlighting her more artistic, and meaningful efforts.

2. it seems to me that now she takes after lindsey by not releasing stuff, coz she can no longer receive the kind of release she desires. yet at least lindsey keeps recording and writing, coz he's an artist, which means that first and foremost he needs to create, even not for the sake of commercialism, and despite the fact that most ppl think his solo stuff sucks anyway. as to the resulting question, whether tracks such as too far from texas and love changes were better off released or deleted, i'm really not sure.

[Serrart]

1. i'm always under the impression that she's more attached to her inferior efforts (that made me stronger, silver girl, ect.) always glad to be interviewed about them, and does lame songs like say you will in hoping to achieve success that way, instead of highlighting her more artistic, and meaningful efforts.

As far as I recall she argued with Lindsey on EFO (yes, Jason, Monica), not Silver Girl.

2. it seems to me that now she takes after lindsey by not releasing stuff, coz she can no longer receive the kind of release she desires. yet at least lindsey keeps recording and writing, coz he's an artist, which means that first and foremost he needs to create, even not for the sake of commercialism, and despite the fact that most ppl think his solo stuff sucks anyway. as to the resulting question, whether tracks such as too far from texas and love changes were better off released or deleted, i'm really not sure.

Not to release unknown masterpieces because the rude public can't understand them, could even sound a reasonable choice, that doesn't explain why he keep promising he will, though. And if on a album to have songs like TISL or Fall From Grace, I have to take also Too Far From Texas, It's more than fine for me. :nod:

Romy

[shackin'up]

alright Tommer we're closer than ever now, looking at your last few posts in this thread. Mick john and Lindsey should release the next Mac-album, sell 100.000 of them but write real artistic history.

the cheap brad was fantastic in her heydays, but now becomes caricatural.

[Serrart]

alright Tommer we're closer than ever now, looking at your last few posts in this thread. Mick john and Lindsey should release the next Mac-album, sell 100.000 of them but write real artistic history.

the cheap brad was fantastic in her heydays, but now becomes caricatural.

I think it's a great idea, but it needs courage from the men... so it wouldn't happen.


Romy

[Jyqm]

Little surprise, then, that she feels no pressure to produce new material. "It's like, does it really matter at this point?" she says when asked if she is working on a follow-up to her last solo album, 2001's Trouble In Shangri-La. "Do people really want to hear a whole other solo record, when you can get one or two songs for I-Tunes? I'm thinking about a way you could just put out a few songs once in a while, maybe four songs that you loved, instead of having to figure out 16 songs, many of which you might not love."

Well. Good to know I don't really have to bother convincing myself that she's got some level of artistry left in her.

I hope you enjoy your generic Las Vegas lounge act existence, Stevie, and that it makes you a nice hunk of change, and that all the blandest people in the world enjoy it with you. But I think I'll be getting off this train at the next stop.

[estranged4life]

well....I guess the next Fleetwood Mac is a three-piece band that has the potence to REALLY break into new grounds. Get rid of the burn-outs and go back to rock'n'roll.

would that be a 3 piece ala Cream with Mr.Buckingham on guitar or with Mr.Green on guitar??...Either would be cool as hell to see IMHO!

[JazmenFlowers]

Well. Good to know I don't really have to bother convincing myself that she's got some level of artistry left in her.

I hope you enjoy your generic Las Vegas lounge act existence, Stevie, and that it makes you a nice hunk of change, and that all the blandest people in the world enjoy it with you. But I think I'll be getting off this train at the next stop.
great. so that means we shouldn't expect any further posts from you then, correct? at least not on the Stevie forum.

[JazmenFlowers]

alright Tommer we're closer than ever now, looking at your last few posts in this thread. Mick john and Lindsey should release the next Mac-album, sell 100.000 of them but write real artistic history.

the cheap brad was fantastic in her heydays, but now becomes caricatural.
your location says it all

if you don't like Stevie or her recent caricature, then you shouldn't have any reason to post on the forum for fans that actually do appreciate her.

[jannieC]

if you don't like Stevie or her recent caricature, then you shouldn't have any reason to post on the forum for fans that actually do appreciate her.
Exactly. This is a fan site, right?

[JazmenFlowers]

yet at least lindsey keeps recording and writing, coz he's an artist, which means that first and foremost he needs to create, even not for the sake of commercialism, and despite the fact that most ppl think his solo stuff sucks anyway. as to the resulting question, whether tracks such as too far from texas and love changes were better off released or deleted, i'm really not sure.
lol...whatever dude. that's heinous.

I seem to recall a lot of sissy bitching by Lindsey on how much he's putting out for the album and he has a mortgage blah blah blah...so, he's aware...there may not be a soundbyte to that effect, but it's not exactly rocket science that he wants some commercial success as well.

[JazmenFlowers]

Exactly. This is a fan site, right?
who the hell knows anymore...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

this is almost laughable. maybe in your eyes. one thing I'm glad she didn't learn was to critique the music so much that it is never released at all...

Well at least Lindsey is driven by his creativity...something obviously Ms. Nicks has lost judging by these latest interviews. She is blaming either Lindsey or the internet for her reasons of not recording a new album...that is BS! What happened to the Stevie with the creative drive? I'm not saying that Stevie doesn't pour her heart into her craft...but Lindsey worked his ass of on SYW to make it something worth while, and it seemed all Stevie cared about was how many units it would sale...Stevie has really disappointed a lot of her fans by her recent comments in this Australian interview...very negative impression she is leaving.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

well....I guess the next Fleetwood Mac is a three-piece band that has the potence to REALLY break into new grounds. Get rid of the burn-outs and go back to rock'n'roll.

They just need Bob Welch and Christine McVie back in the mix! :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

As far as keeping it to herself, what does the fact that she's 57 have to do with it?

Well, we thought she was a grown mature woman by now...

[estranged4life]

Exactly. This is a fan site, right?

it is a fan site, I like the 5 lade ceiling fan moreso than the standard 4 blade one...oops, wrong fan...Shit!!!

[JazmenFlowers]

Well at least Lindsey is driven by his creativity...something obviously Ms. Nicks has lost judging by these latest interviews. She is blaming either Lindsey or the internet for her reasons of not recording a new album...that is BS! What happened to the Stevie with the creative drive? I'm not saying that Stevie doesn't pour her heart into her craft...but Lindsey worked his ass of on SYW to make it something worth while, and it seemed all Stevie cared about was how many units it would sale...Stevie has really disappointed a lot of her fans by her recent comments in this Australian interview...very negative impression she is leaving.
you know what...I can't believe you are saying this shit. there is a lot to be said about your precious Ms. McVie, but most of the Nicks freaks that go over to her forum at least participate in the 2 or 3 threads that are there just so you don't feel left out and actually have conversations going on and don't take low stabs at her. you have no clue what you're talking about. you are almost as bad as a freaking troll. speaking of a negative impression...yeah, you should know about negative impressions.

[JazmenFlowers]

Well, we thought she was a grown mature woman by now...
you wouldn't know mature if it bit you in the ass

[Serrart]

Well at least Lindsey is driven by his creativity...something obviously Ms. Nicks has lost judging by these latest interviews. She is blaming either Lindsey or the internet for her reasons of not recording a new album...that is BS! What happened to the Stevie with the creative drive? I'm not saying that Stevie doesn't pour her heart into her craft...but Lindsey worked his ass of on SYW to make it something worth while, and it seemed all Stevie cared about was how many units it would sale...Stevie has really disappointed a lot of her fans by her recent comments in this Australian interview...very negative impression she is leaving.

Stevie seemed to have really disappointed those who were already really disappointed even long before the interview so...:shrug:

And in the interview she said she didn't like the way Lindsey Buckingham treated her demos. Honestly I don't agree with her except for one appalling case (Illume), but why can't she express an artistic opinion on it?

Romy

[JazmenFlowers]

but why can't she express an artistic opinion on it?
mother of god...what are you talking about?

tell me, I'm just curious...what would you have her say...what is an "artisitic opinion" in, well, your opinion?

[Serrart]

mother of god...what are you talking about?

tell me, I'm just curious...what would you have her say...what is an "artisitic opinion" in, well, your opinion?

Hey, don't shoot Jason, I meant she expressed an artistic opinion and had all the right to do it. Sorry if I wasn't clear. :)

Romy

[JazmenFlowers]

They just need Bob Welch and Christine McVie back in the mix! :thumbsup:
oh please...

I surely don't want to look at that for 2 1/2 hrs

[JazmenFlowers]

Hey, don't shoot Jason, I meant she expressed an artistic opinion and had all the right to do it. Sorry if I wasn't clear. :)

Romy
ok, cool :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

you know what...I can't believe you are saying this shit. there is a lot to be said about your precious Ms. McVie, but most of the Nicks freaks that go over to her forum at least participate in the 2 or 3 threads that are there just you don't feel left out and actually have conversations going on and don't take low stabs at her. you have no clue what you're talking about. you are almost as bad as a freaking troll. speaking of a negative impression...yeah, you should know about negative impressions.

Ok, I didn't even understand the first part of your post...:shrug: And what exactly does Christine have to do with anything...why bring her up in such a negative tone..."precious Ms. McVie"...how snarky. :rolleyes:

I actually have been taking part in a conversation with other Stevie fans over at Seven Wonders...so I'm not totally jumping in head first here...This is something that Stevie fans are really upset about...

But then there are some, obviously like yourself, who get TOTALLY defensive just because someone points out the obvious. Stevie has brought this negative reaction upon herself by making the recent coments she has made.

Some of my posts on this topic at Seven Wonders...

...it's either Lindsey's fault (what a shock ) or the internet. And what kind of attitude is that to have...Don't make another album because more people download from the internet? She STILL gets paid for that (if it is iTunes, MSN, etc...) Does she know why people download music from iTunes and such??? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HEAR THE MUSIC...Just because someone doesn't go out and buy an actual hardcopy doesn't mean that they aren't interested in the music. There is NO LOGIC behind this Stevie... I mean look at Christine...she is RETIRED but still being creative and making music...and not for the money obviously but for the pure joy of recording new material...

Come on Stevie, you can do better than this.

I think its an excuse...perhaps she is too "lazy" (for lack of a better word) to go in and record another album and the whole "what's the point when people use iTunes" bit is just a cover up for her real reasons for not wanting to record new material...perhaps she has lost her drive to do so.

But you are correct there are several different avenues she could take right now in her career...and live touring is one of them...she doesn't really HAVE to record a new album to tour...but if she isn't going to record anything new then she MUST...MUST...switch up her set list to keep it interesting, even songs she hasn't performed on stage...EVER! The first example that pops into my head of another artist who does this is Liza...she hasn't recorded a studio album since 1996 (although she has had live CD's released since then)...but she still tours and keeps things interesting by switching up her set list and bringing in some new arrangements, etc...

So I think these are the options that Stevie has...Either record a new album and tour...or simply continue to tour but STOP SINGING THE SAME TIRED SONGS! She is going to have to choose…or like you say, the casual fans will lose interest. I personally have never seen Stevie in concert…but I would actually go if she were touring in support of new material or if I knew her set list was going to be interesting…

What I don’t understand is why she just doesn’t want to record any new material…I don’t understand it. Isn’t Stevie Nicks supposed to be fuled by her creativity and adoring fans…

But when she gives interviews like the one above, one begins to wonder exactly where the REAL Stevie Nicks is…

Again, No one is really attacking Stevie. I love Stevie...as do her hardcore fans...but after reading her recent comments, I don't understand how a Stevie fan CAN'T get upset. She makes it seem as if she is ready to just call it quits...:shrug:

[Jyqm]

great. so that means we shouldn't expect any further posts from you then, correct? at least not on the Stevie forum.

I'm getting off the train. To belabour the metaphor, I've still got my boarding card, and the stamps on my passport from the various places I passed through on the way, most of which are still worth discussing, so no, this may very well not be my last post on the Stevie forum, nor should you dare to suggest that anyone who has any complaints about your infallible Ms. Nicks should refrain from posting here. I'm terribly sorry that even that even the slightest less-than-fawning comment about your brave heroine wreaks such havoc on your sense of well-being, but I'm afraid you might have to accept that not all fans of an artist care to be totally uncritical, fawning adorers.

Stevie made a number of comments in this article that belie many of the claims she's made over the years to being a serious or sincere artist/songwriter, and many of those claims are a large part of the reason certain people were ever fans of the woman to begin with. To take issue with people for being upset or disappointed by these comments is absolutely ridiculous, particularly under the guise of, "This board is for fans, meaning that everyone should simply 'appreciate' Stevie and no one should say anything negative." This message board is for discussion; masturbation can be accomplished on your own.

To imply that people aren't fans just because they don't swoon every time Stevie takes a dump is laughable. Quite frankly, if I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't give a shit one way or another. If you have no problem with Stevie becoming a nostalgia lounge act who can't be bothered to write or record new material because she thinks her fanbase isn't big/commercially viable enough to justify it, that's fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy the next concert of hers that you go to, or the live hits compilation she'll soon be recording, or whatever else she does with herself from here on in. But how dare you reprimand people for having legitimate complaints about the direction the woman has chosen to take her career. I'll be sure to ask your permission and guidance for how to feel about the next thing Stevie does, though.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

oh please...

I surely don't want to look at that for 2 1/2 hrs

Huh? :confused:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm getting off the train. To belabour the metaphor, I've still got my boarding card, and the stamps on my passport from the various places I passed through on the way, most of which are still worth discussing, so no, this may very well not be my last post on the Stevie forum, nor should you dare to suggest that anyone who has any complaints about your infallible Ms. Nicks should refrain from posting here. I'm terribly sorry that even that even the slightest less-than-fawning comment about your brave heroine wreaks such havoc on your sense of well-being, but I'm afraid you might have to accept that not all fans of an artist care to be totally uncritical, fawning adorers.

Stevie made a number of comments in this article that belie many of the claims she's made over the years to being a serious or sincere artist/songwriter, and many of those claims are a large part of the reason certain people were ever fans of the woman to begin with. To take issue with people for being upset or disappointed by these comments is absolutely ridiculous, particularly under the guise of, "This board is for fans, meaning that everyone should simply 'appreciate' Stevie and no one should say anything negative." This message board is for discussion; masturbation can be accomplished on your own.

To imply that people aren't fans just because they don't swoon every time Stevie takes a dump is laughable. Quite frankly, if I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't give a shit one way or another. If you have no problem with Stevie becoming a nostalgia lounge act who can't be bothered to write or record new material because she thinks her fanbase isn't big/commercially viable enough to justify it, that's fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy the next concert of hers that you go to, or the live hits compilation she'll soon be recording, or whatever else she does with herself from here on in. But how dare you reprimand people for having legitimate complaints about the direction the woman has chosen to take her career. I'll be sure to ask your permission and guidance for how to feel about the next thing Stevie does, though.

God bless you! :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo:

[Jyqm]

you know what...I can't believe you are saying this shit. there is a lot to be said about your precious Ms. McVie, but most of the Nicks freaks that go over to her forum at least participate in the 2 or 3 threads that are there just so you don't feel left out and actually have conversations going on and don't take low stabs at her. you have no clue what you're talking about. you are almost as bad as a freaking troll. speaking of a negative impression...yeah, you should know about negative impressions.

Yes, speaking of negative impressions...

Brandon certainly doesn't need me coming to his defense, but Christ, get over yourself. He's made a number of perfectly legitimate comments, and he has every right to post in this forum, as does everybody else. Attempting to turn the discussion into some idiotic clique wars between "Stevie fans" and "(anybody else) fans" is just childish.

Take a few deep breaths and a Nyquil, man. Have a cigarette or a beer. Nobody should be getting this flustered and panicked and mean-spirited simply because a few people have dared to say something negative about Stevie Nicks. You need to start rethinking your emotional priorities if you're actually this upset.

[JazmenFlowers]

Ok, I didn't even understand the first part of your post...:shrug:
I'm not surprised
I actually have been taking part in a conversation with other Stevie fans over at Seven Wonders...so I'm not totally jumping in head first here...This is something that Stevie fans are really upset about...
this isn't about some other fan board...I could give a shit
But then there are some, obviously like yourself, who get TOTALLY defensive just because someone points out the obvious. Stevie has brought this negative reaction upon herself by making the recent coments she has made.
blah blah blah - it's funny how you just jump right on in when these type of posts come about
Some of my posts on this topic at Seven Wonders...
again, this isn't Seven Wonders...
Again, No one is really attacking Stevie. I love Stevie...as do her hardcore fans...but after reading her recent comments, I don't understand how a Stevie fan CAN'T get upset. She makes it seem as if she is ready to just call it quits...:shrug:
you love Stevie? yeah, I find that next to impossible to believe. "oh she looks like she's ready to call it quits" - yeah...you love Stevie

[Serrart]

Ok, I didn't even understand the first part of your post...:shrug:

I actually have been taking part in a conversation with other Stevie fans over at Seven Wonders...so I'm not totally jumping in head first here...This is something that Stevie fans are really upset about...

But then there are some, obviously like yourself, who get TOTALLY defensive just because someone points out the obvious. Stevie has brought this negative reaction upon herself by making the recent coments she has made.

Some of my posts on this topic at Seven Wonders...





Again, No one is really attacking Stevie. I love Stevie...as do her hardcore fans...but after reading her recent comments, I don't understand how a Stevie fan CAN'T get upset. She makes it seem as if she is ready to just call it quits...:shrug:

How nice you're sharing your word also here, it looks like the SN Gospel according to Brandon. I know exactly why I'm not upset. 1)There aren't any elements in this interview she hasn't already spoken about except the part on SYW; 2) Even if she wanted to call it quits, she's a free woman, I would respect all her choices.

Romy

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm not surprised

this isn't about some other fan board...I could give a shit

I was just trying to let you know that I wasn't a complete Tabula Rasa when it comes to this new article, and that I have been discussing it with other fans...

blah blah blah -

Great response

again, this isn't Seven Wonders...

I never said that it was...again, just giving you examples...

you love Stevie? yeah, I find that next to impossible to believe. "oh she looks like she's ready to call it quits" - yeah...you love Stevie

Jason, I'm curious...has anything Stevie has ever said or done made you upset? ANYTHING AT ALL? Why is it that I can't love Stevie and still get the impression from her interview that she is ready to "call it quits"?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Yes, speaking of negative impressions...

Brandon certainly doesn't need me coming to his defense, but Christ, get over yourself. He's made a number of perfectly legitimate comments, and he has every right to post in this forum, as does everybody else. Attempting to turn the discussion into some idiotic clique wars between "Stevie fans" and "(anybody else) fans" is just childish.

Take a few deep breaths and a Nyquil, man. Have a cigarette or a beer. Nobody should be getting this flustered and panicked and mean-spirited simply because a few people have dared to say something negative about Stevie Nicks. You need to start rethinking your emotional priorities if you're actually this upset.

I want to have your children...:woohoo: :) :wavey:

[JazmenFlowers]

I'm getting off the train. To belabour the metaphor, I've still got my boarding card, and the stamps on my passport from the various places I passed through on the way, most of which are still worth discussing, so no, this may very well not be my last post on the Stevie forum, nor should you dare to suggest that anyone who has any complaints about your infallible Ms. Nicks should refrain from posting here. I'm terribly sorry that even that even the slightest less-than-fawning comment about your brave heroine wreaks such havoc on your sense of well-being, but I'm afraid you might have to accept that not all fans of an artist care to be totally uncritical, fawning adorers.
as usual, your post reaks of words you probably had to look up on dictionary.com, but I appreciate you making the effort
Stevie made a number of comments in this article that belie many of the claims she's made over the years to being a serious or sincere artist/songwriter, and many of those claims are a large part of the reason certain people were ever fans of the woman to begin with. To take issue with people for being upset or disappointed by these comments is absolutely ridiculous, particularly under the guise of, "This board is for fans, meaning that everyone should simply 'appreciate' Stevie and no one should say anything negative." This message board is for discussion; masturbation can be accomplished on your own.
thanks for the clarity, but I don't have to rely on "single-handedly" relieving myself
To imply that people aren't fans just because they don't swoon every time Stevie takes a dump is laughable. Quite frankly, if I wasn't a fan, I wouldn't give a shit one way or another. If you have no problem with Stevie becoming a nostalgia lounge act who can't be bothered to write or record new material because she thinks her fanbase isn't big/commercially viable enough to justify it, that's fine. I sincerely hope you enjoy the next concert of hers that you go to, or the live hits compilation she'll soon be recording, or whatever else she does with herself from here on in. But how dare you reprimand people for having legitimate complaints about the direction the woman has chosen to take her career. I'll be sure to ask your permission and guidance for how to feel about the next thing Stevie does, though.
1) I know it's fine...I don't remember asking if it was fine.
2) I dare darling, I dare.
3) Yes, you do that dear.

[JazmenFlowers]

Brandon certainly doesn't need me coming to his defense
then don't
but Christ, get over yourself. He's made a number of perfectly legitimate comments, and he has every right to post in this forum, as does everybody else. Attempting to turn the discussion into some idiotic clique wars between "Stevie fans" and "(anybody else) fans" is just childish.

Take a few deep breaths and a Nyquil, man. Have a cigarette or a beer. Nobody should be getting this flustered and panicked and mean-spirited simply because a few people have dared to say something negative about Stevie Nicks. You need to start rethinking your emotional priorities if you're actually this upset.
I started out with a simple post that the interview was nothing new and shouldn't be so blown out of proportion. I don't need any Nyquil, tho a cigarette does sound quite good.

[seeker007nmss]

Why is everyone so cranky around here lately? Is it the weather? The only thing I get out of that interview is that she is tired. Once the tours are over she will be her old self (selves) again. I seen a ton of these articles through the decades and it is just Stevie being Stevie. She just needs a rest. When she gets tired, she gets nitpicky and cranky, and implies she is done...yada yada yada.... Then comes back. YES there will be another solo album. It may take awhile, but it will come.

[JazmenFlowers]

Great response
yes, I thought it was rather humorous myself
Jason, I'm curious...has anything Stevie has ever said or done made you upset? ANYTHING AT ALL?
no
Why is it that I can't love Stevie and still get the impression from her interview that she is ready to "call it quits"?
you certainly can. I just don't believe you read this article and got upset and worried over the fact that Stevie may not perform again...I don't see that rocking your boat, even if it were true.

[Jyqm]

as usual, your post reaks of words you probably had to look up on dictionary.com, but I appreciate you making the effort

I'm not sure exactly which words in my post you found difficult (I think "belabour" was the only one which had even three syllables), but I can post some definitions if you like. I'm sorry it disturbs you that I have a relatively large vocabulary. Nitpicking about diction does tend to be the last bastion of those who don't have much to say, though, which is unfortunate. Personally, I'm really disappointed that you've turned into such a bizarro reverse-troll in this thread, as you usually have interesting and intelligent things to say without resorting to various forms of name-calling or "OMG I can't believe this you don't even know what you're talking about."

Again, this is a forum for discussion about Stevie Nicks and her solo career. Nowhere is it stated or even implied that criticisms of Ms. Nicks are forbidden; in fact, "heated, lively discussion" is apparently encouraged. If you really have this much of a problem with people criticizing the woman's comments and/or career choices, if you're really this melodramatically upset, then you really need to start working out some new emotional priorities. It's just not healthy to get so angry because a few comments some people on the Internet made about some singer.

[Jyqm]

I started out with a simple post that the interview was nothing new and shouldn't be so blown out of proportion.

There is definitely someone blowing things out of proportion here. It ain't me or Brown Eyes, though.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm not sure exactly which words in my post you found difficult (I think "belabour" was the only one which had even three syllables), but I can post some definitions if you like. I'm sorry it disturbs you that I have a relatively large vocabulary. Nitpicking about diction does tend to be the last bastion of those who don't have much to say, though, which is unfortunate. Personally, I'm really disappointed that you've turned into such a bizarro reverse-troll in this thread, as you usually have interesting and intelligent things to say without resorting to various forms of name-calling or "OMG I can't believe this you don't even know what you're talking about."

Again, this is a forum for discussion about Stevie Nicks and her solo career. Nowhere is it stated or even implied that criticisms of Ms. Nicks are forbidden; in fact, "heated, lively discussion" is apparently encouraged. If you really have this much of a problem with people criticizing the woman's comments and/or career choices, if you're really this melodramatically upset, then you really need to start working out some new emotional priorities. It's just not healthy to get so angry because a few comments some people on the Internet made about some singer.

And I've got the names picked out already! :wavey: :D :xoxo:

[Rickypt]

because of this one interview? that's awfully sad.

Yes, because of this one interview. I've gone from having about 1% interest in seeing FM again to zero. The interview is the clincher--everytime I left one of the SYW shows (I saw five), I was a little depressed and thinking "maybe I just saw an off night". Stevie has confirmed what I believed all along, yet didn't want to....that she really doesn't enjoy being in the band and the small displays of chemistry between she and Lindsey were canned.

You have to take my comments in context. I have been a FM fan for 30 years. I saw them live during their heyday, didn't really care for the album SYW (although it has some fine moments), and thought their show really suffered without Christine.

I'm just not interested in going broke again to see a "professional", yet emotionless, Christine-less and same-set show. I'd rather listen to their albums and remember the many excellent performances I did get to see.

There's nothing sad about it. It's how I choose to enjoy the band.

[Jyqm]

I want to have your children...:woohoo: :) :wavey:

If you can figure out how to work that, I'll gladly donate some seed, just for the sideshow factor. But only if you agree to speak in an Austrian accent throughout the entire term of the pregnancy.

[JazmenFlowers]

I'm not sure exactly which words in my post you found difficult (I think "belabour" was the only one which had even three syllables), but I can post some definitions if you like. I'm sorry it disturbs you that I have a relatively large vocabulary. Nitpicking about diction does tend to be the last bastion of those who don't have much to say, though, which is unfortunate. Personally, I'm really disappointed that you've turned into such a bizarro reverse-troll in this thread, as you usually have interesting and intelligent things to say without resorting to various forms of name-calling or "OMG I can't believe this you don't even know what you're talking about."

Again, this is a forum for discussion about Stevie Nicks and her solo career. Nowhere is it stated or even implied that criticisms of Ms. Nicks are forbidden; in fact, "heated, lively discussion" is apparently encouraged. If you really have this much of a problem with people criticizing the woman's comments and/or career choices, if you're really this melodramatically upset, then you really need to start working out some new emotional priorities. It's just not healthy to get so angry because a few comments some people on the Internet made about some singer.
a little background...I have an English degree, have worked for publishing houses and am waist deep in the legal profession so I need no definitions; my point was not to be nitpicky, but that it just seems that sometimes you fill your posts with large words but no real substance. As for being a bizarro reverse-troll, well I can't apologize for that, but I'm glad that you've found my past posts to have some merit. and as you say, this may not be the place for me...unfortunate, but probably true, it's not something I haven't thought about - I guess you can pat yourself on the back for reaffirming what I already knew.

oh, and she's not just "some singer" to me - as Judy, Liza, Amy, Sara and Christine aren't to Brandon. It's just a shame no one besides Jannie and Serrart have said anything in defense or attempted to offer other explanations for Stevie's words...I just find it interesting that the posts were all somewhat light-hearted until Brandon decided to turn them into their present state

I won't argue anymore - I've said what I need to and as usual, it does no good.

EDIT: I'm done...if you're interested in how Night of A Thousand Stevies goes or care to get in touch with me, PM or email me.

[jannieC]

I think what is grating is that Brandon (and others) seem to <i>enjoy</i> putting Stevie down, here in the Stevie "fan" forum. Doesn't make a lot of sense? I wouldn't go into Christine's forum and say something crappy about her. In Jason's defense, he's probably not as angry off the computer as he seems in his posts.

Stevie has always done and said things that have irritated me. But I just kind of go with it because that's just her! She says stupid sh*t all the time! What was getting stupid about this thread though, IMO, was that some people were starting to get all, "Well- I just think I'm over her if this is the way she's going to be!", like one stupid interview makes a difference!

I thought the interview was refreshingly HONEST for a change, even is it was on the grouchy side.

Not worth getting all worked up for. And please, no mention of cigarettes- I'm on week 7 (almost) without them! ;)

[Jyqm]

a little background...I have an English degree, have worked for publishing houses and am waist deep in the legal profession so I need no definitions; my point was not to be nitpicky, but that it just seems that sometimes you fill your posts with large words but no real substance.

Where were the big words, and what was the lack of substance? You implied that anyone who dares to criticize has no right posting in this forum, and I explained to you the reasons why that's basically bullshit. None of the words I used look anything beyond eighth grade vocabulary to me. I think it's more likely that you have tendency to get overly pissed off about things and then go about coyly attacking people for no reason.

oh, and she's not just "some singer" to me

She's not just "some singer" to me, either, but the point is that your emotional state really shouldn't be so afected by a few comments people make about her on an Internet message board. But it's good to see you posting like a sensible person now.

It's just a shame no one besides Jannie and Serrart have said anything in defense or attempted to offer other explanations for Stevie's words...I just find it interesting that the posts were all somewhat light-hearted until Brandon decided to turn them into their present state

What other explanations are there? Everything she said seems pretty straightforward to me, and the disappointed reactions of most people are about what I expected. If few people are coming to Stevie's defense, perhaps it's because they feel she doesn't need their defending, or that her statements are largely indefensible.

As for Brandon, I don't see how any of his posts are at all inflammatory. There were plenty of posts expressing disappointment long before he jumped in on the thread, and all of his comments have been fairly tame, in addition to being legitimate criticisms (most of which other people had already made). Blaming him because you got upset and melodramatic isn't terribly fair.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I just find it interesting that the posts were all somewhat light-hearted until Brandon decided to turn them into their present state



Oh yea, that's right...blame things on ol' Brown Eyes...

I make an observation about the Nicks article and I'm evil. :lol:

[SortaSavageLike]

Now that I think about, I really shouldn't be too worried about this interview. The interviewer said more about the "failure" of TISL and SYW and Stevie did. And is anyone surprised that a 57-year old woman has sudden mood swings? Stevie said she'd "never again" record with Mick Fleetwood in 1991, and said she'd "never again" perform on stage in 1994. :rolleyes:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think what is grating is that Brandon (and others) seem to <i>enjoy</i> putting Stevie down, here in the Stevie "fan" forum.

I'm not saying anything to disrespect her. Am I disappointed in her...yes! As are many HARDCORE Stevie fans...

Again why is no one allowed to make an observation about an article in the Stevie forum?

Ok, that's it! After seeing this thread tonight I'm 100% for legalizing Marijuana.

[jannieC]

Ok, that's it! After seeing this thread tonight I'm 100% for legalizing Marijuana.
Hey! I like this discussion now! Seriously though Brandon, how would it make you feel if someone was consistently coming to the Chris forum to say semi-shitty things about her? Be honest...:shrug:

It almost feels like you're waiting for Stevie to f*ck up so that you can say something. I hope you know I'm not trying to attack you- I don't know you at all- just an observation.

[Jyqm]

I think what is grating is that Brandon (and others) seem to <i>enjoy</i> putting Stevie down, here in the Stevie "fan" forum.

I think what's grating is that people seem to be reading a whole lot into Brown Eyes' posts that just isn't there. Everything I've read from him in this thread looks like a perfectly legitimate comment to me, with virtually no traces of, "Haha, Stevie stinks!" Seems like he genuinely wanted to discuss the article.

In Jason's defense, he's probably not as angry off the computer as he seems in his posts.

I don't doubt it, but a certain level of choler is needed to resort to that level of childishness.

Stevie has always done and said things that have irritated me. But I just kind of go with it because that's just her! She says stupid sh*t all the time! What was getting stupid about this thread though, IMO, was that some people were starting to get all, "Well- I just think I'm over her if this is the way she's going to be!", like one stupid interview makes a difference!

I imagine that for most people who are disappointed or upset, it's not just "one stupid interview." It's one stupid interview on top of many other stupid interviews and career choices in the past few years that all seem to point in the same direction. This interview, though, was (as you said) much more honest than usual, and much less ambiguous. It's some explicit icing on a cake that's been more and more heavily suggested in the last couple of years, and it goes a long way to confirm some of the fears a lot of people have had about the direction Stevie is taking her career.

Certainly it's easy to just say, "Oh well, Stevie talks out of her ass half the time anyway, so I choose to believe that this is one of those times." But can you blame the people who don't want Stevie to become a nostalgia act and who do want to see her remain creative and release a new album or two before she's done,for being upset by this interview?

There's nothing stupid about giving up on Stevie as a result of this interview and everything that's come before it. It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, so if it is indeed a duck, this is a very significant change in her career, and one that's bound to lose or at least severely disappoint a certain number of fans.

[Rickypt]

It's just a shame no one besides Jannie and Serrart have said anything in defense or attempted to offer other explanations for Stevie's words.

Actually, I did in my initial post on this thread. I praised her honesty and said that she is showing her vulnerability and the ups and downs of life.

That's still what I think. I don't think she is on her way out, I don't think she is starting to die, I don't scold her for her comments about the internet, and I'm kind of glad she stuck it to Lindsey again because I simply don't care for him, no matter how talented he is.

I completely appreciate and respect your passion for Stevie. It is unreasonable, however, to expect everyone to adhere to your own standards of unconditional love and support for Stevie. I don't even meet those standards for those closest to me in my life.

Refusing to criticize Stevie in even the smallest way not only doesn't make one more of a "fan" than others, but it doesn't even respect her as a person in my opinion. She is human and she will do and say things that will make even her closest loved ones angry and disappointed in her. Why should it be different for her fans?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Hey! I like this discussion now! Seriously though Brandon, how would it make you feel if someone was consistently coming to the Chris forum to say semi-shitty things about her? Be honest...:shrug:

It almost feels like you're waiting for Stevie to f*ck up so that you can say something. I hope you know I'm not trying to attack you- I don't know you at all- just an observation.

But what have I said in this specific thread that borders on 'consistently saying semi-shitty things about Stevie'?

[LiquidBlue5000]

Here are my thoughts on this whole thing...

She doesn't want to go through the hassle of recording a new album, because she feels an album of new material simply will not sell... She still seems to base her worth as an artist on record sales, which is a shame..

She really needs to re-evaluate her recording career and perhaps put out an EP or a few songs on i-Tunes every other year or so... She usually only tours using 3 or 4 new songs anyway, so if she wants to continue touring (and nothing in this article indicates she wants to stop), that might be the best route for her..

As far as her comments about not liking the way her Say You Will songs turned out, again, i think she is basing that off record sales... Were they really that terrible, Stevie? The only song on that entire CD with questionable production, would be "Smile At You".. I don't care for what Lindsey did to that song and it seems many other people feel the same way, including Stevie..

Either way, I honestly don't think this is "the end"... I still think she has many more years left to her career with Fleetwood Mac and as a solo artist..

And i'll put my money on her touring the U.S. again this summer..

[jannieC]

I imagine that for most people who are disappointed or upset, it's not just "one stupid interview." It's one stupid interview on top of many other stupid interviews and career choices in the past few years that all seem to point in the same direction. This interview, though, was (as you said) much more honest than usual, and much less ambiguous. It's some explicit icing on a cake that's been more and more heavily suggested in the last couple of years, and it goes a long way to confirm some of the fears a lot of people have had about the direction Stevie is taking her career.

Okay, I am in agreement here. But if you look back on the posts, it sounded (to me, anyway) like people were ready to completely write her off. Out of anger, not fear. Anger says one thing, fear something completely different. :shrug:



Certainly it's easy to just say, "Oh well, Stevie talks out of her ass half the time anyway, so I choose to believe that this is one of those times." But can you blame the people who don't want Stevie to become a nostalgia act and who do want to see her remain creative and release a new album or two before she's done,for being upset by this interview?

I am absolutely one of the people who does not want Stevie to become a nostalgia act. I am pretty devastated that Stevie is not ever going to be what she once was (see Amber's thread, "Has everyone seen the UNCUT SN behind..."). But it seems as though some jump on the bandwagon to talk sh*t about Stevie at any and every opportunity.

There's nothing stupid about giving up on Stevie as a result of this interview and everything that's come before it. It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, so if it is indeed a duck, this is a very significant change in her career, and one that's bound to lose or at least severely disappoint a certain number of fans.

Maybe we need a separate forum for disenchanted Stevie fans?

[jannieC]

But what have I said in this specific thread that borders on 'consistently saying semi-shitty things about Stevie'?
No, not all in this specific thread- the consistency is in many different threads.

[Rickypt]

Ok, that's it! After seeing this thread tonight I'm 100% for legalizing Marijuana.

I'm more of a benzo and wine guy, and believe me I'm enjoying both after getting through this thread. :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

But what have I said in this specific thread that borders on 'consistently saying semi-shitty things about Stevie'?

Nothing as far as I can tell.

[gldstwmn]

And i'll put my money on her touring the U.S. again this summer..

I think that's entirely possible.

[Rickypt]

And i'll put my money on her touring the U.S. again this summer..

I hope you're right. For that, I'll cough up the dough.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

No, not all in this specific thread- the consistency is in many different threads.

Which is all in fun. I have never calmed to be a huge Stevie fan...nor have I said I hated her.

But in this specific thread I was simply discussing my impressions of the article...This is a serious discussion, but not as serious as Jason was making it out to be...There is no reason to get so worked up about comments someone makes on an internet chat site.

[gldstwmn]

I hope you're right. For that, I'll cough up the dough.

It wouldn't surprise me if she went out with Henley again.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

And i'll put my money on her touring the U.S. again this summer..

If she performs Enchanted, Gold and Braid and After the Glitter Fades...I'll go! :)

[Rickypt]

If she performs Enchanted, Gold and Braid and After the Glitter Fades...I'll go! :)

You're guaranteed the first one and can forget about the other two.

I'll go if she tours with Henley again. I'm kind of bummed I missed that tour.

[LiquidBlue5000]

It wouldn't surprise me if she went out with Henley again.

That's what i was thinking, too.. Didn't she mention going back out on the road with him this summer in an interview a few months back?

I personally would love to see another "Two Voices" tour come this June...

[Brwn_eyes0511]

You're guaranteed the first one and can forget about the other two.

I'll go if she tours with Henley again. I'm kind of bummed I missed that tour.

Does she perform Enchanted a lot? I have never been to a Stevie show so I'm not too sure what her usual set list is...

Has she ever done Gold and Braid (besides the Bella Donna tour) or After the Glitter Fades for any tours...I LOVE these songs.

[David]

Has she ever done Gold and Braid (besides the Bella Donna tour) or After the Glitter Fades for any tours.She did Enchanted, Braid & Glitter in 1998, too, & she did Braid a couple of times on the Wild Heart Tour, before the set list hardened like hydrogenated fat in the arteries.

[Rickypt]

Does she perform Enchanted a lot? I have never been to a Stevie show so I'm not too sure what her usual set list is...

Has she ever done Gold and Braid (besides the Bella Donna tour) or After the Glitter Fades for any tours...I LOVE these songs.

Enchanted has been in the setlist for her past 3 tours (and opened the Gold Dust Tour). I'd be surprised if she ever took it out. Gold and Braid made a comeback in her '98 Enchanted Tour and the House of Blues shows around the Millennium, but appears to be gone for good. After the Glitter Fades was also in the Enchanted Tour (what a great setlist). I think it would make a nice closer myself.

[gldstwmn]

That's what i was thinking, too.. Didn't she mention going back out on the road with him this summer in an interview a few months back?

I personally would love to see another "Two Voices" tour come this June...

I think she did mention it at some point. I wonder what Henley's schedule is like?
I never got to see the Two voices tour because it never got this far. I was pretty apprehensive about what would come of those shows. But as soon as i heard the boots and saw the DVD's, I loved it. So I hope she does do it again. I'm ready for some more solo Stevie. I wish I was in Australia right now.

[gldstwmn]

Enchanted has been in the setlist for her past 3 tours (and opened the Gold Dust Tour). I'd be surprised if she ever took it out. Gold and Braid made a comeback in her '98 Enchanted Tour and the House of Blues shows around the Millennium, but appears to be gone for good. After the Glitter Fades was also in the Enchanted Tour (what a great setlist). I think it would make a nice closer myself.

That was the best setlist ever.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Enchanted has been in the setlist for her past 3 tours (and opened the Gold Dust Tour). I'd be surprised if she ever took it out. Gold and Braid made a comeback in her '98 Enchanted Tour and the House of Blues shows around the Millennium, but appears to be gone for good. After the Glitter Fades was also in the Enchanted Tour (what a great setlist). I think it would make a nice closer myself.

Wow...sounds like I should have been a fan around the Enchanted tour...Enchanted Gold and Braid AND After the Glitter Fades all in one show...JESUS! After getting to hear those songs...I might not even mind having to sit through Rooms on Fire...;)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

That was the best setlist ever.

What was the setlist for that show...?

[Rickypt]

I might not even mind having to sit through Rooms on Fire...;)

Nothing to worry about, she'll never do that one again. Which is sad for many of us.

She also did Sleeping Angel in '98, which I imagine you have fallen in love with after listening to it all last weekend. :D

[gldstwmn]

What was the setlist for that show...?

Oh man. Let's see if I can remember without having to look it up. These aren't in order.
Enchanted
Outside The Rain/Dreams
Gold & Braid
Whole Lotta Trouble
Rooms On Fire
Gold Dust Woman
Landslide
Twisted
Garbo
After The Glitter Fades
Rose Garden/Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
HAEWAFY
Edge Of Seventeen

And I'm not sure of the rest.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Nothing to worry about, she'll never do that one again. Which is sad for many of us.

She also did Sleeping Angel in '98, which I imagine you have fallen in love with after listening to it all last weekend. :D

heh...oh...yea...about...that...

I couldn't stop listening to Temporary One long enough. :D :sorry:

I PROMISE, now that disc 3 is in my iPod (SHAME ON ME FOR HAVING AN iPod, Stevie wouldn't like that at all! :p ) I will listen to Sleeping Angel a lot more, until I have fallen in love with it!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Oh man. Let's see if I can remember without having to look it up. These aren't in order.
Enchanted
Outside The Rain/Dreams
Gold & Braid
Whole Lotta Trouble
Rooms On Fire
Gold Dust Woman
Landslide
Twisted
Garbo
After The Glitter Fades
Rose Garden/Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
HAEWAFY

And I'm not sure of the rest.


Edge Of Seventeen

Garbo and Rooms On Fire are about the only ones in there that I don't like...Wow...sounds like a great tour! :thumbsup:

[Rickypt]

Oh man. Let's see if I can remember without having to look it up. These aren't in order.
Enchanted
Outside The Rain/Dreams
Gold & Braid
Whole Lotta Trouble
Rooms On Fire
Gold Dust Woman
Landslide
Twisted
Garbo
After The Glitter Fades
Rose Garden/Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
HAEWAFY

And I'm not sure of the rest.


Edge Of Seventeen

are you sure she did Rooms on Fire that tour?

Add:

I Need To Know of course
Rhiannon of course

[gldstwmn]

are you sure she did Rooms on Fire that tour?



Maybe I'm confusing it with the Millenium tour?

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Maybe I'm confusing it with the Millenium tour?

OHHHHH NO ROF!!! :)....Well then I would have REALLY liked that tour!

Why wasn't it recorded! :mad: :lol:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Maybe I'm confusing it with the Millenium tour?

Yeah, last time she did "Rooms On Fire" was on the Millenium tour... and she cut it from the setlist halfway through it..

[gldstwmn]

OHHHHH NO ROF!!! :)....Well then I would have REALLY liked that tour!

Why wasn't it recorded! :mad: :lol:

A Day In The Garden is out there. It's a good show. In fact, I may have to go watch it right now.:)

[bushesandbriars]

Ryan and Janet--You two have been the voices of sanity in these threads. Thank you both for that. I don't think I cold say anything better than you have, so I'm just going to toss my two cents in here.

Stevie says and does things that drive me nuts, too, in a pissy sort of way. But this interview strikes me more as a tired person who is more than a little sick of running the gamut. Women still very often get treated like, no matter what they do professionally, if they don't marry and reproduce they may as well not exist. Even some people who claim to be her hardcore fans perpetuate these stereotypes, with the questions of why doesn't she marry or date, or the psycho-babble speculations that what she really means when she says she doesn't want children or to marry Lindsey is that she actually pines for both those things. I find it tiresome. I would imagine she does, too, when being interrogated on personal life choices by total strangers who then get to present her life and work in print any way they want. Why she should she have to justify not being a mother or wife when she's been one of the most beloved women in rock for 35 years now? Where does the idea that being married equals happiness come from? I know happy single people, and miserable married people. It seems to me that the answer ti being happy lies in working on yourself rather than conforming to society's expectations.

Also, I find this whole "Lindsey-saved-her-butt" thing curious and a little silly. No, he didn't, or not any more than she saved his. She was the one working the scut jobs so he could tour and polish his chops--where's her thanks, or the thread demanding he recognize her contributions? And up until the last few years, all the credit for the brilliance of her Mac stuff has gone to him, something I just don't buy. If it were "his magic" making her songs work, her demos and solo stuff wouldn't be the frequently moving, sometimes astonishing stuff that it is, imperfections and all. I think she's often felt the need to protect the band's dynamic and Lindsey's not-inconsiderably proportioned ego by giving him all the credit, and now she wants to reclaim her work a bit. And either way, he didn't give her her talent, her drive, her charisma, or that crazy-amazing voice.

Jason--I see your point; I really do. I don't agree with everything you've posted, but I like the fact you'll go to the mat for Stevie. You're a passionate fan; when I read your posts I often admire that about you. Most people would be blessed beyond belief to have someone who cared for them as fervently as you care for Stevie. I hope you won't leave the board.

Brandon--I don't know you, though I've read some of your posts. The impression I got was that you weren't launching a full-on attack, but I do sense a little disingenuousness. You aren't a huge Stevie fan, so I can't imagine you really care about her creativity one way or the other. Maybe I'm wrong. But that is the conflict as I see it, and maybe that clarifies it a little for you.

I don't want to see her become a Vegas lounge act any more than anyone else does. I don't think it's what she is. Neither do I want to see her recording material just to please the masses. I think she's tired and discouraged. Maybe she's homesick. I don't know her personally, but I do know that there are days when I say I'm sick of everything and feel like giving up, and mean it wholeheartedly; I can't believe no one else ever feels that way. Then I get over it and get on with it. So many people want Stevie to make these absolute, 100% concrete statements for every single thing she says, does, feels, thinks, and believes all the time, which is not only unfair but impossible. We all have contradictions, bad days, doubts, down periods. Human beings aren't static. No one feels absolutely one thing all the time. No celebrity is perfectly precise in every statement they make to the press. Even if they were, the interviewer's ability to correctly interpret and communicate those statements would still be an unpredictable factor.

All I know is, I love her music. It's part of my life. It always will be, even if she gives lousy interviews, can't make up her mind, or says things that appall me sometimes. There's something in my relationship to that voice, that sound, that transcends both the person making it and the person hearing it. Even if she quits tomorrow, even if she never sings another note, even if she only does "Dreams" and "Rhiannon" from now until she's eating clear soup, I'll never be sorry for engaging in her music.

And not that it matters, but I did think SYW was disappointing--it didn't sound new or fresh to me; just Lindsey overproducing to death. He goes for high art, and at moments that works, but often I think he just ends up sounding precious and hyper-studied, like the breathy vocals and the effects. Stevie's music needs warmer, earthier production at this point. Christine is absolute necessity, not a luxury; it is not iconic Fleetwood Mac without her. She grounds and mediates the two styles of Buckingham/Nicks with her playing.

Now that Sheryl and Lance are kaput, there's a wild card on the table. If Lindsey can no longer inspire Stevie, maybe a good friend whom she certainly seems to trust can.

[Rickypt]

^wonderful post

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Stevie's music needs warmer, earthier production at this point. Christine is absolute necessity, not a luxury; it is not iconic Fleetwood Mac without her. She grounds and mediates the two styles of Buckingham/Nicks with her playing.


Very interesting points, especially this one! I agree. Bleed To Love Her and especially Steal Your Heart Away are in true Mac fashion...and are among the best, IMO, on SYW! Now imagine how some of Stevie's songs would have benefited from three part harmonies and more developed keyboard playing!:thumbsup:

[jwd]

And despite the ups and downs, the struggles with lovers, bandmates and addiction, Nicks is well aware that she has led a charmed - some might say magical - life. "I've had a lot of amazing experiences, and it is all good," she says. "Even the bad stuff is interlaced with the good, so it wouldn't be just one depressing monologue. It's a fabulous story. A Cinderella story for all of us, not just me."

I think that sums it up nicely. What's everyone so upset about?! Of any Maccer, Stevie is the most active and engaging member. I think that the Lindsey and Christine fans are the ones who really have something to be depressed about.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I think that sums it up nicely. What's everyone so upset about?! Of any Maccer, Stevie is the most active and engaging member. I think that the Lindsey and Christine fans are the ones who really have something to be depressed about.

Yea...I'm really depressed...hand me a razor...:rolleyes:

Hmmm...who was the last one to actually come out with an album full of new material?

[jkmaletic]

WOW.

I wonder if this interview came a few days after this Fleetwood Mac "meeting"? Sounds like Stevie and Lindsey have just had a spat and she's freshly pissed.

I love the interview. It helps me see Stevie as a whole person, someone who can convey disappointment, ambivalence, and lack of confidence.

I really think she is unsure that she can top TISL (which she considers her masterpiece, doesn't matter what we think).

I also don't really believe that she has moved past her father's death. I sense a lot of sadness and maybe even a bit of depression in her words. I'm sure she is glad he is out of pain, but that doesn't mean she isn't grieving. Maybe even a bit of denial going on.

Yes, a bit of a depressing interview, but a very human one. She's not beginning to die, she's showing the ups and downs of living.

God- I didn't know how to describe what I felt after reading this article until I read this post- - I agree whole-heartedly.
Still sad though... :(
As far as demos go, I always thought Lindsey F-ed up "Not Make Believe" on the SYW CD.

[jwd]

Again, No one is really attacking Stevie. I love Stevie...as do her hardcore fans...but after reading her recent comments, I don't understand how a Stevie fan CAN'T get upset. She makes it seem as if she is ready to just call it quits...:shrug:


Yea...I'm really depressed...hand me a razor...:rolleyes:


Well, since Christine basically has called it "quits", I'd be afraid to hand you that razor, if given what you said in the first post was what you really meant. :shrug:

Hmmm...who was the last one to actually come out with an album full of new material?


Few and far between I'm afraid. And when was the last time you saw Chris on the road touring?

[Livia]

Excellent post, bushesandbriars!!! :thumbsup:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Well, since Christine basically has called it "quits", I'd be afraid to hand you that razor, if given what you said in the first post was what you really meant. :shrug:

Stevie and Christine are two different types of performers.

Christine has hated live performing since DAY ONE! She was going to retire after she left Chicken Shack...but we all know that didn't happen. Stevie on the other hand is a "rock and roller" who has always loved the spot light and enjoyed all its benefits...so I figured that most fans would be upset that she seemed so "blah" about putting out any new material.

With Christine its totally different. We had accepted her calling it "quits" long ago...but boy what a nice surprise it was in 2004 to discover she had been working on a (brilliant) new solo album in her spare time. The ironic thing is...she is retired and she STILL beat both Lindsey and Stevie in getting a solo project out there.

But anyway…you can’t really compare apples and oranges…which is what you would be doing if you compared Christine’s situation with Stevie’s…

[ShangriLaTroubl]

I agree with you Bushesandbriars...I think that a lot of what she said also probably didn't make it in the article. I'm thankful she's doing anything, and enjoying...I just hope she KNOWS that there is a big group of us fans who do want new music, and there is interest...even if on a smaller label.. As long as she knows we care and want her to continue, I hope she doesnt think no1 is interested is all I worry about....

Chris

[jkmaletic]

I agree with much of your post. That being said, I will not totally stop hoping for new solo material (whether it be a live DVD, some soundtrack tunes, or a whole CD) but I won't be holding my breath either.

BTW - has she ever said that any of her recording sessions with Mac were fun? Doesn't she always bitch that it's dull, and they fight all the time? And don't they always bitch that she's not in the studio enough? Nothing new to me.

LOL! Good points Paula! Made me laugh and be a little more optimistic at the same time! You rock! :thumbsup:

~jamie

[jwd]

Stevie and Christine are two different types of performers.

Christine has hated live performing since DAY ONE! She was going to retire after she left Chicken Shack...but we all know that didn't happen. Stevie on the other hand is a "rock and roller" who has always loved the spot light and enjoyed all its benefits...so I figured that most fans would be upset that she seemed so "blah" about putting out any new material.

With Christine its totally different. We had accepted her calling it "quits" long ago...but boy what a nice surprise it was in 2004 to discover she had been working on a (brilliant) new solo album in her spare time. The ironic thing is...she is retired and she STILL beat both Lindsey and Stevie in getting a solo project out there.

But anyway…you can’t really compare apples and oranges…which is what you would be doing if you compared Christine’s situation with Stevie’s…


I'm just thankful as a Stevie fan that she has been so much more prolific in her writing, touring, and recording than either Lindsey or Chris. Stevie fans have a lot to be thankful for in comparison, don't you think?

[Johnny Stew]

I read the article, so I thought I'd come out of semi-lurkerdom and post a few of my thoughts. Not about to get in the middle of a huge debate though... I don't feel like expending too much energy in useless areas anymore.

I'm definitely disappointed by her belief that there's "no point" to record an album any longer. If she simply doesn't feel creative right now, I can respect that. I go through lonnnng periods where I'm just not inspired in any way to draw or create. But if her reason for not recording is that her albums no longer sell one or two million copies or that some kid in Peoria is downloading her songs for free, I think that's pretty lame.

I noticed a few people damning her (for lack of a better word) for her reliance on commercial success. I honestly don't think Stevie's "in it for the money" when she records an album (tours are a different story)... but I do think she tends to equate commercial success with "reaching the masses." And I think she really does believe that if her albums aren't selling, then it means people aren't hearing her songs. Therefore, in her mind, if people aren't hearing her songs then she's wasting her time crafting them and sending them out into the world.

I remember a comment she made years ago regarding "Rhiannon" being released as a single. She said that she never wrote "Rhiannon" for commercialism, and that she was deeply worried that the song would fail as a single and it would hurt her confidence as a songwriter.

My take on it, is that she feels having a hit single/hit album is important not because of the money it brings in, but because it means people are responding to your art. It definitely seems like a confidence thing to me. Rightly or wrongly, she needs that validation.
It's almost the same as her saying that she was never going to go up on stage again at her 'Street Angel' weight, because fans and critics responded so negatively. Most other people would have said, "f*** 'em -- if they don't want to come to my shows, they can stay home. I'm going to sing for the people who do still want to see me."
But, again, Stevie needs that validation.

In an ideal world, I would hope that her (typically) loyal fanbase would be reason enough for Stevie to want to continue writing and recording. Knowing that it really doesn't matter if millions of people are hearing your work, as long as it's touching someone's life.

Of course, I also have a theory that she's posturing so she can get out of her current contract with Warner Bros. I mean, what better way to get out of a contract without having to lose money in the process, than to convince your bosses (who are much more interested in signing the next 'American Idol,' than working with some chick singer who's pushing 60) that you're no longer writing and have no interest in recording again?
They dump you, you wait a little while, then come back with a great album on some indie label that treats you like royalty.

Or, hell, maybe she caught wind of the posts here on the Ledge, which make it seem as if only about 25% of her output over the last 20 years has been worthwhile, and she figures "why bother." :p

Anyway... God only knows what's going on in Stevie's world right now. And while I'm not happy with the idea that she no longer wants to record, I'm definitely not going to jump ship or lose interest either. The reasons I love Stevie's music and why I became a fan in the first place never change, no matter what career choices she's made or makes. It's never been a conditional thing for me... it's a simple matter of no other singer or songwriter having ever touched me as deeply and as consistenly as Stevie has.
I really couldn't ask for more than that. :)

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm just thankful as a Stevie fan that she has been so much more prolific in her writing, touring, and recording than either Lindsey or Stevie. Stevie fans have a lot to be thankful for in comparison, don't you think?

Oh well of course you have a lot to be thankful for, Stevie has done quite a lot in her career. But again you can't compare...at least to Christine. She will be the FIRST to tell you she isn't really a solo artist...she much more likes the company of a band.

But of course Stevie fans have a lot to be thankful for...but there is no reason to say that Christine fans don't have anything to be thankful for. :shrug:

[Johnny Stew]

But of course Stevie fans have a lot to be thankful for...but there is no reason to say that Christine fans don't have anything to be thankful for. :shrug:I shouldn't speak for Joe, but I don't think that's at all what he was trying to say.
It wasn't a "Christine fans don't have anything to be thankful for" comment, it was a "Stevie fans should step back and realize how much they do have to be thankful for." :)

[jkmaletic]

Sweet....since alot of you won't be attending more Stevie or FM concerts (judging by your posts) I'll be able to get better seats!!!!

Sarah

LOLOLOLOLLL~~~!!!! Good One!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I shouldn't speak for Joe, but I don't think that's at all what he was trying to say.
It wasn't a "Christine fans don't have anything to be thankful for" comment, it was a "Stevie fans should step back and realize how much they do have to be thankful for." :)

Oh, well if that's the case then I totally agree...

Sorry I read it wrong.

[jwd]

It wasn't a "Christine fans don't have anything to be thankful for" comment, it was a "Stevie fans should step back and realize how much they do have to be thankful for." :)

Thank you kind sir, that is indeed what I was trying to say. I'd also like to add that when Chris was ready to call it quits, we all accepted that as her right. Stevie certainly doesn't deserve to get raked over the coals for the professional decisons she makes at this point in her career either.

[Livia]

Excellent post, JS!

To put what you said in another perspective. We all know the story - "I don't want to be a cleaning lady..." Reminds me of Madonna being interviewed by Dick Clark on American Bandstand when he asked her, "What's next for you?" And she said, "I want to rule the world." Well, Stevie and LB went from being unknowns to being part of what became the biggest band of that era, and the most commercially successful, practically overnight. So when you start at the very TOP, where else is there to go? Which is not to say it's been ALL downhill since then. Just that when you get used to things being a certain way, and they're not that way anymore, it's frustrating...

When she's promoting a FM album, she's a team player. Hence, the same pat answers to the same interview questions. When she's doing solo stuff, she's more honest. And that ties into her reluctance, or inability or whatever, to understand the power of the world wide web. Remember, we're talking about a woman who had to tape labels on the buttons of her tape deck in order to use it. She's old school... My first impression when I read this interview was, "Wha? Does she think that what she says in Australia stays in Australia?" I was kinda bummed too, at first, but time will tell if she really meant everything she said. Maybe she'll change her tune once she's done decorating, nesting, and making the new house in LA beautiful. Then she'll get bored and put out a new album...I'd be thrilled if she could get out of her contract...musicians these days don't need no stinking label to sell albums anyway...I hope she realizes that and can embrace the new technology and use it to her benefit, instead of being pissed about it.

On edit: How about re-releasing Bella Donna in 5.1 surround sound as her remaining obligation to the label?? With maybe a few gems and demos thrown on it as well? I'd rather have that than a Timespace Part Deux.

[jkmaletic]

Here are my thoughts on this whole thing...

She doesn't want to go through the hassle of recording a new album, because she feels an album of new material simply will not sell... She still seems to base her worth as an artist on record sales, which is a shame..

She really needs to re-evaluate her recording career and perhaps put out an EP or a few songs on i-Tunes every other year or so... She usually only tours using 3 or 4 new songs anyway, so if she wants to continue touring (and nothing in this article indicates she wants to stop), that might be the best route for her..

As far as her comments about not liking the way her Say You Will songs turned out, again, i think she is basing that off record sales... Were they really that terrible, Stevie? The only song on that entire CD with questionable production, would be "Smile At You".. I don't care for what Lindsey did to that song and it seems many other people feel the same way, including Stevie..

Either way, I honestly don't think this is "the end"... I still think she has many more years left to her career with Fleetwood Mac and as a solo artist..

And i'll put my money on her touring the U.S. again this summer..

I hope you're right about EVERYTHING you said!!!

[Phoenix]

I read the article, so I thought I'd come out of semi-lurkerdom and post a few of my thoughts. Not about to get in the middle of a huge debate though... I don't feel like expending too much energy in useless areas anymore.

I'm definitely disappointed by her belief that there's "no point" to record an album any longer. If she simply doesn't feel creative right now, I can respect that. I go through lonnnng periods where I'm just not inspired in any way to draw or create. But if her reason for not recording is that her albums no longer sell one or two million copies or that some kid in Peoria is downloading her songs for free, I think that's pretty lame.

I noticed a few people damning her (for lack of a better word) for her reliance on commercial success. I honestly don't think Stevie's "in it for the money" when she records an album (tours are a different story)... but I do think she tends to equate commercial success with "reaching the masses." And I think she really does believe that if her albums aren't selling, then it means people aren't hearing her songs. Therefore, in her mind, if people aren't hearing her songs then she's wasting her time crafting them and sending them out into the world.

I remember a comment she made years ago regarding "Rhiannon" being released as a single. She said that she never wrote "Rhiannon" for commercialism, and that she was deeply worried that the song would fail as a single and it would hurt her confidence as a songwriter.

My take on it, is that she feels having a hit single/hit album is important not because of the money it brings in, but because it means people are responding to your art. It definitely seems like a confidence thing to me. Rightly or wrongly, she needs that validation.
It's almost the same as her saying that she was never going to go up on stage again at her 'Street Angel' weight, because fans and critics responded so negatively. Most other people would have said, "f*** 'em -- if they don't want to come to my shows, they can stay home. I'm going to sing for the people who do still want to see me."
But, again, Stevie needs that validation.

In an ideal world, I would hope that her (typically) loyal fanbase would be reason enough for Stevie to want to continue writing and recording. Knowing that it really doesn't matter if millions of people are hearing your work, as long as it's touching someone's life.

Of course, I also have a theory that she's posturing so she can get out of her current contract with Warner Bros. I mean, what better way to get out of a contract without having to lose money in the process, than to convince your bosses (who are much more interested in signing the next 'American Idol,' than working with some chick singer who's pushing 60) that you're no longer writing and have no interest in recording again?
They dump you, you wait a little while, then come back with a great album on some indie label that treats you like royalty.

Or, hell, maybe she caught wind of the posts here on the Ledge, which make it seem as if only about 25% of her output over the last 20 years has been worthwhile, and she figures "why bother." :p

Anyway... God only knows what's going on in Stevie's world right now. And while I'm not happy with the idea that she no longer wants to record, I'm definitely not going to jump ship or lose interest either. The reasons I love Stevie's music and why I became a fan in the first place never change, no matter what career choices she's made or makes. It's never been a conditional thing for me... it's a simple matter of no other singer or songwriter having ever touched me as deeply and as consistenly as Stevie has.
I really couldn't ask for more than that. :)


Thank you for your slightly positive and very level headed post. I hope this thread dies, and goes away quickly.

[Johnny Stew]

I'd be thrilled if she could get out of her contract...musicians these days don't need no stinking label to sell albums anyway...I hope she realizes that and can embrace the new technology and use it to her benefit, instead of being pissed about it.I absolutely agree.
Stevie has a lot of fans who might be left "out in the cold" if she only released material on iTunes (I'd be one of them, since my OS and iTunes are incompatible), but some kind of internet release (perhaps through Nicksfix) would be such a great thing for her and for the fans.
No worries about bloated marketing schemes that cost hundreds of thousands but don't really boost sales in any major way. No worries about "filler tracks." No worries about eating unsold copies.
Stevie could do exactly what she said: periodically record a handful of songs that she's really enthusiastic about, and then put them out there for her fanbase at 99 cents a piece. Or even $1.99 a piece.

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of us would actually prefer that method.

[Livia]

I absolutely agree.
Stevie has a lot of fans who might be left "out in the cold" if she only released material on iTunes (I'd be one of them, since my OS and iTunes are incompatible), but some kind of internet release (perhaps through Nicksfix) would be such a great thing for her and for the fans.
No worries about bloated marketing schemes that cost hundreds of thousands but don't really boost sales in any major way. No worries about "filler tracks." No worries about eating unsold copies.
Stevie could do exactly what she said: periodically record a handful of songs that she's really enthusiastic about, and then put them out there for her fanbase at 99 cents a piece. Or even $1.99 a piece.

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of us would actually prefer that method.

She needs to reconnect with "the artist formerly a slave to the label" Prince. His career certainly hasn't suffered.

[Johnny Stew]

Thank you for your slightly positive and very level headed post. I hope this thread dies, and goes away quickly.Thanks. :)
I try to be pragmatic about these kinds of things... with a little of that "the glass is always half-full" mentality thrown in for good measure. It really doesn't do us any good to lose sleep over it and let it depress us. "What will be, will be," as Christine says.

As far as the thread dying... I think maybe people need to vent a little for the time being. But I'm sure everyone will soon move on to something else.
After all, we have the Australian concerts looming on the horizon, and the filming of a new DVD to get excited about. :D

[diamondsnake]

as usual, your post reaks of words you probably had to look up on dictionary.com.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ha Ha Ha!!!!

[jwd]

As far as the thread dying... I think maybe people need to vent a little for the time being. But I'm sure everyone will soon move on to something else.
After all, we have the Australian concerts looming on the horizon, and the filming of a new DVD to get excited about. :D


I feel so much better when you're around. :)

[diamondsnake]

I'm utterly annoyed by this article, but it seems like the journalist tried to put a negative spin on things. And, even if Stevie really is "done" with recording new material (Which would suck!), that really is her choice. And, it doesn't make her a sell out or make her any less of an artist. She is almost sixty. Most people her age are thinking about retirement. If Stevie was a school teacher and gave up her life to be a teacher, would anyone blame her if she decided to retire at age 57? I don't think so.

That being said, I really think she is just depressed about her Dad. I think she'll get back on the record making band wagon soon enough. And even if she doesn't, it sounds like she's exploring other options, like her iTunes idea.

I just feel bad that she doesn't care for SYW. It really is a great album, regardless of what she thinks. Then again, I love OSOTM and SA, two albums she's not too fond of!

And, I've never been big into Lindsey, so I really don't care if Stevie likes him or not.

[BombaySapphire3]

I think she is being pretty honest in this article and I'm not surprised by anything she has stated in it..Five years ago I would have been but it all jives with her recent actions.I don't blame any fans who choose to deboard the Stevie train after reading it and other recent comments and actions by MS. Nicks.I'd be joining them but for the fact that I have been a fan since I was a kid and the Rumours era and the wild and creative Stevie that once was is just so make a part of those years to me that to stop listening to her and remembering the times in my life that her voice and music or even gazing at her picture seemed to pull me out of the worst depths of despair or tribulation is something I'm not willing to do,as corny as that may sound.Sure I am disappointed by her apparent choice to continue as an oldies act and turn her back on her creative muse.But I cannot and will not ever turn my back on what she has given me in her time.

[David]

She is almost sixty. Most people her age are thinking about retirement.I just thought of something: Stevie can start taking distributions from her 401(k) in eighteen months!!

[tuigirl]

I would venture to say she has thanked him quite enough.

As far as keeping it to herself, what does the fact that she's 57 have to do with it?

It's called being mature and old enough to keep things private and not keep airing this in public.At 57 , I'm thinking she might have figured this out by now, she could have been excused when she was a hot headed 20 something as loudness seems to go with the territory at that age, but now, really, it's time to calm it down maybe.Just my opinion.

[shackin'up]

your location says it all

if you don't like Stevie or her recent caricature, then you shouldn't have any reason to post on the forum for fans that actually do appreciate her.

What a crap. I love her to death since I was twelve years old. So that's 29 years. But I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan first of all. And I'm responding to an interview in which she says things about my favourite band. If she becomes a caricature and says things that doesn't fit in my perception of her art I'm allowed to post about that and not give too much attention to easy hurted fansouls.

[danax6]

Here are my thoughts on this whole thing...

As far as her comments about not liking the way her Say You Will songs turned out, again, i think she is basing that off record sales... Were they really that terrible, Stevie? I was thinking about this last night in bed. I bet that had SYW sold 5 million copies or even more, she would have said that the songs were brilliant. It's just something that she does...

Now that I've had a good night's sleep, I feel more positive towards things again. I tried to read between the lines and rethought Jannie's and Jason's posts and I am not as disappointed with her anymore as I was yesterday. I do still think the comments towards SYW were uncalled for, but I now at least see her line of reasoning. :wavey:

[Jyqm]

Okay, I am in agreement here. But if you look back on the posts, it sounded (to me, anyway) like people were ready to completely write her off. Out of anger, not fear. Anger says one thing, fear something completely different. :shrug:

I can see that. Although I also sense some of the reasons I'm writing her off: boredom and just being generally tired of and fed up with these kinds of comments from her, which are beyond disheartening to me when looked at on top of her touring practices and everything else of late.

I am absolutely one of the people who does not want Stevie to become a nostalgia act. I am pretty devastated that Stevie is not ever going to be what she once was (see Amber's thread, "Has everyone seen the UNCUT SN behind..."). But it seems as though some jump on the bandwagon to talk sh*t about Stevie at any and every opportunity.

Yeah, there are some of those people around here, but I didn't notice any of them in this thread.

Maybe we need a separate forum for disenchanted Stevie fans?

We might need one for disenchanted Stevie and Mac fans. Unfortunately, there are far too many of us these days.

[BlackWidow]

Perfect. :nod: A huge mistake was made in not allowing Christine to only work in the studio with them.
They are better off without Christine..if they want piano or keyboards..they can hire out

[BlackWidow]

[QUOTE=Alexbt]While I think that the Christine element is really necessary in a FM album, some major mistakes were made in the recording of SYW, notably in Stevie's vocal performances.

I think that the home studio setting was far too casual to get optimal results.
As I've finally seen Destiny Rules, I can now see why Stevie's vocals all sound like utter crap.

SHE'S SITTING DOWN THE WHOLE TIME.

I saw her on the Gold Dust Tour and she sounded fantastic. Even on Live in Boston she sounded great. She was obviously not getting the breath support she needs to sing well...

That's just what eats at me most about the SYW recordings.[/QUOT
I dont remember seeing Stevie being forced to sit in a chair......

[BlackWidow]

[QUOTE=BlackWidow][QUOTE=Alexbt]While I think that the Christine element is really necessary in a FM album, some major mistakes were made in the recording of SYW, notably in Stevie's vocal performances.

I think that the home studio setting was far too casual to get optimal results.
As I've finally seen Destiny Rules, I can now see why Stevie's vocals all sound like utter crap.

SHE'S SITTING DOWN THE WHOLE TIME.

I saw her on the Gold Dust Tour and she sounded fantastic. Even on Live in Boston she sounded great. She was obviously not getting the breath support she needs to sing well...

That's just what eats at me most about the SYW recordings.[/QUOTE)
I dont remember seeing Stevie being forced to sit in a chair...

[BlackWidow]

:shrug:

Did you think that those interactions were genuine? I did, when I saw them for the first time. But once you've seen them do the same thing each show, it kind of loses it's punch. Truthfully, I was <i>glad</i> to hear her say this in the interview- if just to dispel the whole shipper thing. Which of course, it won't- people will just say she's full of sh*t now.

Anyway, let's cut Stevie some slack. Maybe she was just in a bad mood when this interview took place.
Its called SHOW BUSINESS darlings......

[BlackWidow]

Yea...I'm really depressed...hand me a razor...:rolleyes:

Hmmm...who was the last one to actually come out with an album full of new material?
....that no one bought..heard..or cares about...:lol:

[Rickypt]

As far as the thread dying... I think maybe people need to vent a little for the time being. But I'm sure everyone will soon move on to something else.


I guess I don't see any of this discusson as "venting" and I don't know why people want the thread to die. Maybe Stevie was having an off day, but she said what she said. They are direct quotes. She is now on record saying that she doesn't like what was done with her SYW songs, that the chemistry between she and Lindsey on stage is an act, and that she isn't sure she'll record again due to the internet.

If that isn't grounds for significant discussion, then I really don't know what is.

Her comments are going to provoke strong reactions. For those of you who are able to just say "that's just Stevie", good for you. I mean that. But as I said before, to expect others to have a standard of 100% positive comments towards Stevie is unreasonable. As long as it is done respectfully (and I haven't seen any insults thrown at Stevie, just at other posters), then it makes for a great thread.

By the way, I think people are misinterpreting. I really don't think those who are saying they are "jumping ship", are saying they are going out and throwing away all their Stevie/FM albums and ripping up all their pictures. I think they are saying that they prefer to enjoy Stevie/FM up to this point and are done worrying about what they will do in the future. Since Stevie herself is quoted as not giving much reason to hope for anything in the future, I can see where people are coming from.

(My post isn't directed to you, JS, just an overall reaction to this thread)

[Christopher]

The people that seem to be getting all up in arms about Stevies comments about Say You Will, need to remember that when promotions began in early 03 there was alot of discussion about how Stevie seemed really cool towards Lindsey and indifferent in the press. And it was no secret that Stevie hated the running order and what made the final cut in song choices. Her and Lindsey had major fights about everything from who was going to mix the songs to finalizing the CD.

Many fans agree that the running order of SYW is less that perfect themselves. And generally many fans prefer the Smile at you, Running through the garden and The Tower demos over what was released. So Stevies recent comments seem to ring true.... I think she was a good sport and kept her mouth shut during promoting the disc and the tour, but as she has said now..."It wasn't much fun"...and I admire that she is being candid and truthful now that there is some distance from that CD.

Her comments do not deter my enjoyment of having her 10 songs from Say You Will, which has some of her finest songcraft in memory. But I tend to agree with her in as much as I think that SYW is uneven and bloated and some of the production should have been better.

To be positive I think Lindsey did a brilliant job on Illume, Thrown Down, & Destiny Rules.

Stevie will come around and get the bug to record again...I have faith in that...at least one more...it remains to be seen if it will be with FM or solo...but my money is on a solo recording.

[JohnL]

oh please...

I surely don't want to look at that for 2 1/2 hrs

You go buddy! Love it!!:blob2:

[Jyqm]

By the way, I think people are misinterpreting. I really don't think those who are saying they are "jumping ship", are saying they are going out and throwing away all their Stevie/FM albums and ripping up all their pictures. I think they are saying that they prefer to enjoy Stevie/FM up to this point and are done worrying about what they will do in the future. Since Stevie herself is quoted as not giving much reason to hope for anything in the future, I can see where people are coming from.

Bingo, at least for me. I wont regurgitate any train or ship metaphors, but of course I'm going to suddenly stop liking all of the music Stevie has written and performed in the past. I simply have no interest in supporting or caring about her future endeavors, if this is the attitude she's taking towards her career now.

[Jyqm]

The people that seem to be getting all up in arms about Stevies comments about Say You Will, need to remember that when promotions began in early 03 there was alot of discussion about how Stevie seemed really cool towards Lindsey and indifferent in the press. And it was no secret that Stevie hated the running order and what made the final cut in song choices. Her and Lindsey had major fights about everything from who was going to mix the songs to finalizing the CD.

Many fans agree that the running order of SYW is less that perfect themselves. And generally many fans prefer the Smile at you, Running through the garden and The Tower demos over what was released. So Stevies recent comments seem to ring true.... I think she was a good sport and kept her mouth shut during promoting the disc and the tour, but as she has said now..."It wasn't much fun"...and I admire that she is being candid and truthful now that there is some distance from that CD.

Her comments do not deter my enjoyment of having her 10 songs from Say You Will, which has some of her finest songcraft in memory. But I tend to agree with her in as much as I think that SYW is uneven and bloated and some of the production should have been better.

To be positive I think Lindsey did a brilliant job on Illume, Thrown Down, & Destiny Rules.

I agree with you that the production on some of Stevie's SYW songs is a little uneven and that her reaction to them is understandable. However, a good point that a number of people have made in this thread is that if this is how Stevie has felt all along, then why on earth didn't she bring it up during the recording process? What prevented her from saying, "Uh, hey Lindsey, I think the direction you're going with this song of mine is downright terrible. Let's try something else."? Why sit there stewing and then complain about it three years later?

[David]

I agree with you that the production on some of Stevie's SYW songs is a little uneven and that her reaction to them is understandable.I think a hundred different people here are talking about "production" in a hundred different ways. What is meant exactly by production in the context of each person's post? Does it refer to the sonic space on the CD (akin to engineering)? To the mix itself (the layering & dynamic placement of instruments & voices)? Compression? or to more organic aspects of the recording, such as arrangement & musical voicings?

Or are we talking about the "production" in terms of the product: the package--the look & feel of the CD, including the visual design?

[David]

As long as it is done respectfully (and I haven't seen any insults thrown at Stevie, just at other posters)A pattern I notice constantly on the ledge.

[chiliD]

I just thought of something: Stevie can start taking distributions from her 401(k) in eighteen months!!


I thought the minimum age was raised to 65...or was that for 403(b)'s?

[cliffdweller]

She is always changing her tune. This is news to me that she wasn't "happy" with SYW...at least HER songs. This just shows to me that she is loosing interest in making any new music...and just being creative in general.

I was thinking this exact thing just the other day before even reading this article. I was thinking about other, older, accomplished artists that are still out there interested in making music, trying new things, collaborating, writing, being creative, and then I thought of Stevie who is quite content with doing none of the above. Let's face it, she's in semi-retirement. She may continue to tour but I expect very little new material from her. I just flat don't think she has the energy for another solo album. And the saddest thing I took away from the article is that she is not really even interested in writing what she truly feels. Who cares if that line you just came up with is "too heavy" for people to appreciate? If that's what you're feeling Stevie, then just write it! Your fans love your writing, or haven't you figured that out yet? :laugh: Anyway, I don't agree with the writing-for-the-fans bit she included in that interview, that just sounds almost corporate!

[Jyqm]

I think a hundred different people here are talking about "production" in a hundred different ways. What is meant exactly by production in the context of each person's post? Does it refer to the sonic space on the CD (akin to engineering)? To the mix itself (the layering & dynamic placement of instruments & voices)? Compression? or to more organic aspects of the recording, such as arrangement & musical voicings?

I'm talking about almost all of those things, actually: the arrangement, mix and engineering. I'm guessing that's the same for most people in this thread, too. Since Stevie just contributes her demos and then lets Lindsey and whoever else do the rest, I think when people talk about the "production" on Stevie's songs they're referring to all those things that everybody else does.

[strandinthewind]

I'm talking about almost all of those things, actually: the arrangement, mix and engineering. I'm guessing that's the same for most people in this thread, too. Since Stevie just contributes her demos and then lets Lindsey and whoever else do the rest, I think when people talk about the "production" on Stevie's songs they're referring to all those things that everybody else does.

Not to mention she specifically refers to the "music" in that interview, which is I think what most people mostly are talking about - though the post production was not that great IMO - and as for the tin can voice gimmick -OY!!!!

[chiliD]

Anyway, I don't agree with the writing-for-the-fans bit she included in that interview, that just sounds almost corporate!


Well, jeez...isn't about time for her to jump on the Linda Ronstadt/Rod Stewart bandwagon and do HER trilogy of "standards" albums? :rolleyes: She already has a start with "Stormy Weather" & "At Last".

[amber]

The people that seem to be getting all up in arms about Stevies comments about Say You Will, need to remember that when promotions began in early 03 there was alot of discussion about how Stevie seemed really cool towards Lindsey and indifferent in the press. And it was no secret that Stevie hated the running order and what made the final cut in song choices. Her and Lindsey had major fights about everything from who was going to mix the songs to finalizing the CD.

Many fans agree that the running order of SYW is less that perfect themselves. And generally many fans prefer the Smile at you, Running through the garden and The Tower demos over what was released. So Stevies recent comments seem to ring true.... I think she was a good sport and kept her mouth shut during promoting the disc and the tour, but as she has said now..."It wasn't much fun"...and I admire that she is being candid and truthful now that there is some distance from that CD.

Her comments do not deter my enjoyment of having her 10 songs from Say You Will, which has some of her finest songcraft in memory. But I tend to agree with her in as much as I think that SYW is uneven and bloated and some of the production should have been better.

To be positive I think Lindsey did a brilliant job on Illume, Thrown Down, & Destiny Rules.

Stevie will come around and get the bug to record again...I have faith in that...at least one more...it remains to be seen if it will be with FM or solo...but my money is on a solo recording.

Wait...did someone just say something reasonable???
Nice post, my attitude mirrors yours.

Oh, and Stevie probably did say something during the making of, but she probably had to compromise some, that's how these things go. And so it wasn't all exactly how she wanted it.
Either way, this whole thing just isn't that big a deal.

[JohnL]

Well, jeez...isn't about time for her to jump on the Linda Ronstadt/Rod Stewart bandwagon and do HER trilogy of "standards" albums? :rolleyes: She already has a start with "Stormy Weather" & "At Last".

Although I would love to hear anything new from Stevie, I hope she does not do that. Her claim to fame is her songwriting. I want her to stick to mostly her own stuff...not any old standards...at least not as the major contribution to a CD.

[estranged4life]

What a crap. I love her to death since I was twelve years old. So that's 29 years. But I'm a Fleetwood Mac fan first of all. And I'm responding to an interview in which she says things about my favourite band. If she becomes a caricature and says things that doesn't fit in my perception of her art I'm allowed to post about that and not give too much attention to easy hurted fansouls.

he is a fan...Saw him rocking out to FM live in person.

Rock on ya freaky deeky Dutch dude!!!

[Brwn_eyes0511]

....that no one bought..heard..or cares about...:lol:

I bought it...and so did some of the people that actually post on this board. I also care about the music a great deal...it happens to be one of my favorite albums...

[Johnny Stew]

I agree with you that the production on some of Stevie's SYW songs is a little uneven and that her reaction to them is understandable. However, a good point that a number of people have made in this thread is that if this is how Stevie has felt all along, then why on earth didn't she bring it up during the recording process? What prevented her from saying, "Uh, hey Lindsey, I think the direction you're going with this song of mine is downright terrible. Let's try something else."? Why sit there stewing and then complain about it three years later?I interpreted this quote as meaning that she did bring it up during the recording process: "I'd be totally lying if I said that record is what I wanted, because it isn't. I argued with Lindsey all the way through it, and he argued with me."

I can only assume that, in the end, she made compromises that she regrets having made.

Interesting thing is that a lot of fans weren't happy with 'Say You Will' either, for a variety of reasons. From the "over production" on some numbers (their words, not mine), to the way songs like "Smile At You" and "Goodbye Baby" were changed from the demos, to the mixing, to the running order and so on. Beyond all that, I think the single biggest complaint (or at least the one I've heard most often) is that it's not "Fleetwood Mac" enough. Something that many fans feel would have been fixed had Christine still been there.
Perhaps Stevie was fighting to keep it closer to that "Fleetwood Mac sound," but was ultimately outnumbered by the guys in the band. Even from the beginning of the 'SYW' promotions she made no bones about the fact that she deeply missed Christine, both as a friend and for the balance that she helped bring to FM.

So her comments in this article really don't come as any surprise to me.
"It's nothing that I didn't know."

[SuzeQuze]

I'm listening to SYW and I really think it is an excellent piece of work. I am surprised Stevie disliked it that much. She may be more disappointed in it after the fact because it wasn't a huge seller. Maybe she feels she shouldn't bother if its not going to sell a boat load of CDs. That makes sense but I was hoping that the drive to record was still there for her. I guess it has waned. This is very depressing to me.

Since you don't want to record Stevie, and you think your demos are better, how about releasing some! Pretty please. :-D Let's start with a remastered Smile at You. Ahh yes...

[cliffdweller]

And I think she really does believe that if her albums aren't selling, then it means people aren't hearing her songs. Therefore, in her mind, if people aren't hearing her songs then she's wasting her time crafting them and sending them out into the world.

She probably does think this, and it's a shame to put so much stock in what "the masses" are listening to because I'm here to tell ya, what the masses are listening to these days is not an accurate barometer of what constitutes good music. It's also a shame because when i think about my other favorite artists, older, accomplished artists like Stevie, they don't measure their worth as songwriters by the number of copies their recent albums have sold. They're really more invested in continuing to grow and experiement as musicians and songwriters. I think of uncompromising artists like Neil Young and how music is not only his one true passion in life, but it is also an extention of his very existence, I mean, you never expect him to stop because he IS music, ya know? He would never stop making music because his albums don't sell like they used to in the 70's. Actually the thought of that would probably make him laugh because commercialism means nothing to him, and when did this post become about Neil Young? :laugh: Anyway, I hope Stevie becomes re-inspired to jump back into making music again, but if she isn't, then I hope she finds another creative outlet that inspires her. But more importantly, I don't want anymore uninspired albums from her that feature, for the most part, old songs written back in the day about her love/hate relationship with Lindsey Buckingham. That shit is played yo.

[Johnny Stew]

I'm listening to SYW and I really think it is an excellent piece of work.The only "complaint" I've ever had with 'Say You Will,' is the track-listing. But then I've never been wild about FM's running order choices anyway. :shrug:

I'm one of the (few?) fans who actually loved the fresh take on "Smile At You," and I preferred Lindsey's production on "Thrown Down" over Stevie's solo version for 'TISL.'
And yet I realized the other day that I haven't listened to this album in a good six or seven months... which is strange for me. So go figure.

She may be more disappointed in it after the fact because it wasn't a huge seller.From what both she and Lindsey have said though, it seems she was disappointed with it even before it was released... way before the numbers ever came in.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

I'm one of the (few?) fans who actually loved the fresh take on "Smile At You,"

Oh thank God I'm not the only one...No...it actually is my fav. Stevie song on the entire album. :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

...

I'm one of the (few?) fans who actually loved the fresh take on "Smile At You," and I preferred Lindsey's production on "Thrown Down" over Stevie's solo version for 'TISL.'
...

I agree with you! I love TD and enjoyed the arrangement of SaY. I thought I was the only one who liked SaY.

From what both she and Lindsey have said though, it seems she was disappointed with it even before it was released... way before the numbers ever came in.

Ah, I must have blocked that out. I agree with folks that have said it was in bad taste for her to say these things publicly. I also agree with those who've said she sounds depressed. When she feels better she will be singing a different tune. Maybe she is bipolar! Who knows. This is so depressing though, I hate this article.

[danax6]

From what both she and Lindsey have said though, it seems she was disappointed with it even before it was released... way before the numbers ever came in.I must have missed that. This is the first time I have heard speak about it so negatively. I've heard her talk about fighting with Lindsey and such, but nothing directly about the album or her songs, like in this article.

[SuzeQuze]

While I think that the Christine element is really necessary in a FM album, some major mistakes were made in the recording of SYW, notably in Stevie's vocal performances.

I think that the home studio setting was far too casual to get optimal results.
As I've finally seen Destiny Rules, I can now see why Stevie's vocals all sound like utter crap.

SHE'S SITTING DOWN THE WHOLE TIME.

I saw her on the Gold Dust Tour and she sounded fantastic. Even on Live in Boston she sounded great. She was obviously not getting the breath support she needs to sing well...

That's just what eats at me most about the SYW recordings.

I wondered about that too when I saw the documentary. She was sitting AND sort of hunched over, not exactly giving enough room for your diaphragm to expand properly. And also what some have mentioned, using too much of her "head voice". Damn, to think this is the last FM record is so frigging depressing, I need a drink! Some brandy or champaigne? Screw it, just bring on the cocaine. Oh yeah, I don't do that. :lol:

[Livia]

I prefer the wall of sound version of Thrown Down to any of the others...

SYW was a Lindsey solo album with John's bass, Mick's drums and Stevie's vocals laid on top of what was already 90% completed. Moreover, the "Phoenix Four" that Stevie brought in were merely "pissed on" by Lindsey so he could put his scent on 'em. Those were not "Stevie tinkering on a Casio keyboard and they REALLY need some work" demos. They were fully produced, with real musicians playing on them, and could have easily ended up just as they were, on a solo album. I'm not saying I don't like SYW, because I do. But from a production standpoint, it was not a collective, group effort. And it shows.

[jkmaletic]

She probably does think this, and it's a shame to put so much stock in what "the masses" are listening to because I'm here to tell ya, what the masses are listening to these days is not an accurate barometer of what constitutes good music. It's also a shame because when i think about my other favorite artists, older, accomplished artists like Stevie, they don't measure their worth as songwriters by the number of copies their recent albums have sold. They're really more invested in continuing to grow and experiement as musicians and songwriters. I think of uncompromising artists like Neil Young and how music is not only his one true passion in life, but it is also an extention of his very existence, I mean, you never expect him to stop because he IS music, ya know? He would never stop making music because his albums don't sell like they used to in the 70's. Actually the thought of that would probably make him laugh because commercialism means nothing to him, and when did this post become about Neil Young? :laugh: Anyway, I hope Stevie becomes re-inspired to jump back into making music again, but if she isn't, then I hope she finds another creative outlet that inspires her. But more importantly, I don't want anymore uninspired albums from her that feature, for the most part, old songs written back in the day about her love/hate relationship with Lindsey Buckingham. That shit is played yo.

Another great post that makes total sense! :wavey: Well said, Cliffdweller. Wanna help me with my resume? :lol:

[JWS]

I wondered about that too when I saw the documentary. She was sitting AND sort of hunched over, not exactly giving enough room for your diaphragm to expand properly. And also what some have mentioned, using too much of her "head voice". Damn, to think this is the last FM record is so frigging depressing, I need a drink! Some brandy or champaigne? Screw it, just bring on the cocaine. Oh yeah, I don't do that. :lol:

Love the mouse! Where did you find that pic.:laugh:

[cliffdweller]

Moreover, the "Phoenix Four" that Stevie brought in were merely "pissed on" by Lindsey so he could put his scent on 'em.

Hmmm, kitty metaphors! I think you've been spending too much time with your cat, Liv :laugh:.

[Livia]

Hmmm, kitty metaphors! I think you've been spending too much time with your cat, Liv :laugh:.

Hey, they could be doggie metaphors too! See a fire hydrant? Pee on it! Oooh, a tree! Pee on it! :wavey:

[SuzeQuze]

are you sure she did Rooms on Fire that tour?

Add:

I Need To Know of course
Rhiannon of course

Yes, according to the Nicksfix this was the setlist:

Enchanted Tour - 1998

Outside The Rain
Dreams
Enchanted
Gold Dust Woman
Gold and Braid
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
After The Glitter Fades
Garbo
Rose Garden
Sleeping Angel
Stand Back
Rhiannon
(Band Intros)
Whole Lotta Trouble
Landslide
Twisted
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)
Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You (encore)

[cliffdweller]

Hey, they could be doggie metaphors too! See a fire hydrant? Pee on it! Oooh, a tree! Pee on it! :wavey:

Pfffff :laugh: But it's the whole "leaving a scent" that had me totally picturing your kitty. I wish you're kitty had been the one to leave a scent on Stevie's SYW songs instead of Lindsey Buckingham! :laugh: That made no sense whatsoever (or did it? hmmmm) okay, back to more caffeine, as if I need it :]

[SuzeQuze]

Love the mouse! Where did you find that pic.:laugh:

Hehe, someone sent it to me in a joke mail and I figured I'd add some levity to the board and stick it on my sig! :laugh:

[SuzeQuze]

Hey, they could be doggie metaphors too! See a fire hydrant? Pee on it! Oooh, a tree! Pee on it! :wavey:

Or a snowbank! Don't eat the yellow snow! :o

[cliffdweller]

Or a snowbank! Don't eat the yellow snow! :o


Blech! yellow snow. That was just wrong Suze, you have really crossed the line this time young lady! :laugh:

[amber]

Sleeping Angel
Twisted


I really want these back.
I went to an Enchanted show, but at the time I mainly knew Stevie's hits, and SA - so I didn't know what a cool setlist it was. Plus, my friend convinced me to take mushrooms before that show. :rolleyes: What a retard.

Oh, on topic....uh....I'm really glad I hadn't heard any of the demos when I got SYW. I prefer the SYW version of TD (wall of sound is too much) - the only song I liked a bit better as demo is The Tower, but I like Goodbye Baby a lot, too - so no big.

[cliffdweller]

Plus, my friend convinced me to take mushrooms before that show. :rolleyes: What a retard.

:laugh: I can't even imagine a Stevie show on 'shrooms. I mean, I actually want to watch the show not stare at my knees for 2 hours :laugh:.

[SuzeQuze]

Blech! yellow snow. That was just wrong Suze, you have really crossed the line this time young lady! :laugh:

:lol: Couldn't help it, saw some on the way to work this morning!

[amber]

:laugh: I can't even imagine a Stevie show on 'shrooms. I mean, I actually want to watch the show not stare at my knees for 2 hours :laugh:.
Well, Stand Back was awesome, I tell you what. The drum solo just seemed to go on and on. Oh, wait...it does go on and on... :laugh:
I was on the lawn anyway, soooo. :shrug:
I guess that was the Concord show where the guy hung himself? I didn't see though. Thank goodness, talk about a bad trip.

[Serrart]

Which is all in fun. I have never calmed to be a huge Stevie fan...nor have I said I hated her.

But in this specific thread I was simply discussing my impressions of the article...This is a serious discussion, but not as serious as Jason was making it out to be...There is no reason to get so worked up about comments someone makes on an internet chat site.

It's more and more fascinating to read your reflections on your posts. You should seriously write the Phenomenology of Brandon.

Romy

[Serrart]

I agree with you that the production on some of Stevie's SYW songs is a little uneven and that her reaction to them is understandable. However, a good point that a number of people have made in this thread is that if this is how Stevie has felt all along, then why on earth didn't she bring it up during the recording process? What prevented her from saying, "Uh, hey Lindsey, I think the direction you're going with this song of mine is downright terrible. Let's try something else."? Why sit there stewing and then complain about it three years later?

Who said she didn't? But probably to have the album she compromised (as we saw her doing on Chris Lord Alge) and now maybe she's regretting it. I still don't understand why can't she say it.

Romy

[Brwn_eyes0511]

It's more and more fascinating to read your reflections on your posts. You should seriously write the Phenomenology of Brandon.

Romy

If only your reflections were half as interesting...;)

[Serrart]

If only your reflections were half as interesting...;)

I don't reflect on message boards.

Romy

[Janis_no1]

omg ITS GOING TO TAKE ME AN HOUR JUST TO READ THROUGH THE 16 PAGES OF THIS THREAD :laugh: maybe later... after ribbon making

[Serrart]

omg ITS GOING TO TAKE ME AN HOUR JUST TO READ THROUGH THE 16 PAGES OF THIS THREAD :LOL:

You can make it Jayne. By the way, it starts to get heated towards page 10...

Romy

[Jyqm]

:laugh: I can't even imagine a Stevie show on 'shrooms. I mean, I actually want to watch the show not stare at my knees for 2 hours :laugh:.

I'm not sure which would be more interesting these days...

I mean, I've got some very pretty knees.

[amber]

If only your reflections were half as interesting...;)
If they were half as interesting as yours, they'd be negative 1/2.

[Jyqm]

Who said she didn't? But probably to have the album she compromised (as we saw her doing on Chris Lord Alge) and now maybe she's regretting it. I still don't understand why can't she say it.

Well, she can. And she did. And some people thought it was rude and catty, and some people don't.

[Serrart]

Well, she can. And she did. And some people thought it was rude and catty, and some people don't.

I thought the problem was she didn't say it during the making of the album. Personally I just found her honest and probably sad for the compromises.

Romy

[David]

omg ITS GOING TO TAKE ME AN HOUR JUST TO READ THROUGH THE 16 PAGES OF THIS THREAD :laugh: maybe later... after ribbon makingBe sure to read my comments on pages 4 & 14! :wavey:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

If they were half as interesting as yours, they'd be negative 1/2.

Well at least one can read and at least somewhat comprehend what I am trying to say...


Idon'tTypeLiketHiSallTheTime:woohoo: :wavey:


:xoxo:

[Janis_no1]

You can make it Jayne. By the way, it starts to get heated towards page 10...

Romy

:laugh: does it? we all get a bit stevie sensitive at times.....
i shall read them all tonight if i get the chance

[amber]

Well at least one can read and at least somewhat comprehend what I am trying to say...

unfortunately for them.


Idon'tTypeLiketHiSallTheTime:woohoo: :wavey:


:xoxo:

Yeah, so? Who does? :confused:

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Be sure to read my comments on pages 4 & 14! :wavey:

And my comments about having Jyqm's children! :wavey:

[SapphireSister]

Ok it took me over an hour to read through all 17 pages of this thread and I have a lot of mixed emotions. I'm able to see where a lot of you are coming from as well...

My initial reaction was surprise, especially in reference to her not seeing the worth in putting out an entirely new solo project. We all know Stevie is a very difficult person to read. There are times I think she is from another planet and no one in this world can possible understand what she is trying to say so we form our own theories. It has been mentioned here numerous times that her stories and opinions change on a daily basis and this interview is no exception. A lot of what she says here is totally inconsistent with what she has said in the past re: songwriting to please the masses as opposed to doing it for herself, blah blah blah. I think a lot of things could be taken out of proportion depending on your own personal beliefs about Stevie and her relationship to Lindsey, your overall perception of her, her music, etc.

Regarding her SYW comments, I do not think it was in bad taste (given I am not a huge Lindsey fan). She's being honest and even if you don't like what she has to say you have to respect her for speaking up about it. Why shouldn't she be honest ? I'm sure she spent many years conceding as a member of a 5 person band and SYW is no different. The only exception is that she's talking about it now and it's the first any of us have ever heard. I'm sure this is nothing new. If anything I have more respect for her for saying how she really feels. Whether or not I agree is irrelevant.

I don't think people should get too bent out of shape about it. This is a bit disheartening but as someone mentioned earlier I think she may have been caught in a bad place at a bad time. We all have our good days and bad days. It is not written in stone she will never put out another solo album. Maybe I'm being an optimist but the woman has changed her mind countless times on this same issue.

I have to agree 100% with Johnny Stew regarding her perception of record sales. I don't think she cares so much about the money making aspect, rather she thinks if people don't buy her music that is the standard buy which her art should be judged. In other words, "if people don't buy my music, it must suck" (if that is even what she's saying, again just my theory as many of you have yours). It's sad that she feels that way but she does and we have to accept it. There are so many things that go on in the music business that most of us haven't a clue about. Not only that we don't know her personally or what has gone on behind the scenes. Anyone who takes this interview to heart I ask you to reconsider - she is only human and flawed just like you and I. Don't ask too much, be grateful and kind to her just like she has asked us to be kind to ourselves all these years.

On edit: I know I tend to defend this woman till doomsday but there's no getting around it, I'm seriously perturbed by this interview (mainly due to her negative sentiment, not necessarily the content) :( I was in a bummed out mood to begin with this morning because I saw a dead cat that had been run over on the on-ramp to the freeway so this just added insult to injury. Damn I wish I had become a die-hard Stevie fan before 2003! Seriously though, I just hope she's content.

[David]

Regarding her SYW comments, I do not think it was in bad taste (given I am not a huge Lindsey fan). She's being honest and even if you don't like what she has to say you have to respect her for speaking up about it. Why shouldn't she be honest? I'm sure she spent many years conceding as a member of a 5 person band and SYW is no different. The only exception is that she's talking about it now and it's the first any of us have ever heard. I'm sure this is nothing new. If anything I have more respect for her for saying how she really feels.I always wanted to hear more in depth what Stevie thought of the other Fleetwood Mac albums.

About the 1975 album, all she said was that she took the album to Hawaii & played it dozens of times & really liked it, & that's how she knew the public would like it. Also, the tag out on "Crystal" reminds her of that whole era in a nostalgic way (as it does me).

About Rumours, she indirectly said it was good.

About Tusk, she vacillated. First she said it was "our masterpiece." But later she didn't like it & thought it was self-indulgent. Finally by around 1986, she started responding to the languid tempi -- she dubbed it "warrioresque" -- & the overall atmosphere as being something very fascinating.

About Live, nada.

About Mirage, only that she thought Christine's song they were then working on was really cool (probably "Hold Me").

About Tango, very little. I can't even remember. Maybe she talked about it with Laura Gross in 1987.

About Mask, very little.

About Time, nada.

About the box set, nada.

About the Greatest Hits album, I don't remember.

About The Dance, I don't remember.

About the Very Best Of, nada.

About the three reissues, nada.

About Say You Will, she didn't really love it, as we just found out.

[Livia]

^^^^ She loved the Rumours 5.1 surround sound re-release. :thumbsup: