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MacMan

10-31-2005, 01:05 PM

By Daniel Ziffer, Entertainment Reporter
November 1, 2005
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http://www.theage.com.au/news/music/stevie-nicks-a-few-tips-from-led-zep/2005/10/31/1130720485621.html

ROCK star Stevie Nicks will be backed by the sonorous harmonies of the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra when she performs next year. But do not expect a timid show.

"Led Zeppelin. That's what I want," she said emphatically yesterday.

"Like the strings in Kashmir. I don't want this to be (like the film) The Sound of Music."

The former Fleetwood Mac frontwoman will hit the Rod Laver Arena stage on February 18 as part of her "Gold Dust" tour.

Nicks' promoter has previously lured 1970s rockers Kiss and Meat Loaf to perform with the orchestra, and the 57-year-old singer is working on compositions to accompany her hit songs.

The decision about which songs to perform with the orchestra will come down to their suitability, she said.

"Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, you don't know," she said.

Nicks has sung orchestra-backed versions of Etta James' classic ballads A Sunday Kind Of Love and At Last at festivals and both may be included in the six or so songs she will perform with MSO backing.

The Melbourne show will be the only place she will perform with the orchestra and her band. Nicks' other dates in Australia and New Zealand will feature her nine-piece band only.

Local legend John Farnham will play Brisbane and Perth, with US singer Vanessa Carlton supporting all shows.

Fleetwood Mac sold tens of million of albums off the back of such hit singles as Dreams, Everywhere and Go Your Own Way. Nicks has toured prolifically around the world as a solo artist.

On Stakes Day, Saturday, the Stevie Nicks Plate will be race seven on the card. Nicks will present the record-shaped trophy then.

She will be at the Melbourne Cup today and is tipping Eye Popper or Makybe Diva to win the big race. She is laying a bet on Xcellent for her mum.

So, if you see a 155-centimetre blonde rock star in a black slouch hat, pearled cape and heels - it's her.

Neal

10-31-2005, 01:12 PM

The decision about which songs to perform with the orchestra will come down to their suitability, she said.

"Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, you don't know," she said.

I think we do know. :rolleyes: We heard similar stuff prior to the 'Dreams' shows in Vegas. She'll find a way to work in all the old standards.

Great article and pic though, thanks for posting! :wavey:

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 01:15 PM

Mokona

10-31-2005, 01:16 PM

Sorry to any Aussies or New Zealanders, but damn, I wanted her to stay in the US and work on a new album, not tour again!

I guess if she's set on not doing any new music, it's better for people around the world to get to see her, but sigh, I was so hoping to hear news about a new album.

Cool article though (and a nice smiling pic!) - thanks for posting!

Livia

10-31-2005, 01:18 PM

She will be at the Melbourne Cup today and is tipping Eye Popper or Makybe Diva to win the big race. She is laying a bet on Xcellent for her mum.

She's got to bet on the diva horse, of course! ;)

Neal

10-31-2005, 01:21 PM

Anyone who thinks she is not going to perfrom 3/4 of the set list as old standards is not listening to what she repeatedly says, which is she has certain songs she feels she must do on stage. That is always going to be the ones she does not (Dreams, Rhiannon, EO17, SB, etc.) - I do think she will have cool orchestration. I mean look at that cool rendition of Landslide she did with that orchestra awhile back :shrug:

In the end, I really want to go to this, but am scared I will not due to work :mad:

I'm not expecting anything unrealistic; I'd be happy with 'ROF' and 'TTM' (both of which would sound great with an orchestra, imho).

But for her to even imply 'EO17' and 'SB' might not work out, made me roll my eyes. But then again what doesn't...? :p

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 01:22 PM

Thanks for posting. I'd love to hear a full orchestration of Edge..that could be really interesting and highly dramatic.

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 01:23 PM

blinker12

10-31-2005, 01:31 PM

Wow, she looks a lot like Debbie Harry in that picture! Nice to see her happy.

danax6

10-31-2005, 01:31 PM

At Last and Sunday Kind of Love? Splendid! :blob2:

Btw, former Fleetwood Mac frontwoman? :shrug:

danax6

10-31-2005, 01:32 PM

I guess the Melbourne show is the place to be then. ::starts checking flight schedules::

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 01:47 PM

Oh my FREAKING god she looks so pretty here! :nod:
And happy, TOO, i think! :nod:
Course, there may be a reason for that ;)
Still, this is NICE to SEE!

Thanks for posting this - I think this is the best photo of Stevie taken
all YEAR! :cool:

Rock ON GDW!

jkmaletic

10-31-2005, 01:50 PM

Ok, I know those things under her left eye could very well be wrinkles, but I don't see them under the right eye. :shrug: Wrinkles are usually bilateral as far as I know... :confused: Don't get me wrong- it's a great photo of her smiling, but what is that under her left eye?? What do you guys think?

paleshadow

10-31-2005, 01:52 PM

ELIUD

10-31-2005, 01:54 PM

Isn't it a given that, at the very least, Beauty and the Beast will be one of the orchestra songs?

ELIUD

10-31-2005, 01:56 PM

jkmaletic

10-31-2005, 02:00 PM

I don't know, maybe she's back with Lindsey again.

:lol: I just NOW got that- good one! :nod:
It kinda looks like smeared mascara a little bit..:shrug: Stupid photographer.

~jamie

dissention

10-31-2005, 02:02 PM

Wow. That picture is atrocious. I thought it was all about the glamour, Stevie?

I really hope she does something fresh for this. If you're going to film a concert with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra for DVD, why would you want to do the same old thing? This is a grand opportunity to do something really fantastic. Stop resting on your laurels for once.

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 02:04 PM

Wow. That picture is atrocious. I thought it was all about the glamour, Stevie? . . . .

LOL - I'd have bet you would have said that :laugh: Mikey - he hates everything.

I think it is a cute pic.

Neal

10-31-2005, 02:06 PM

Midol dear :xoxo: :xoxo:

See my post in the "Periods For Men" thread... :xoxo:

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 02:07 PM

See my post in the "Periods For Men" thread... :xoxo:

I know - thus the link! :wavey:

amber

10-31-2005, 02:14 PM

Thanks for posting. I'd love to hear a full orchestration of Edge..that could be really interesting and highly dramatic.
I agree. It could be monumental. So could stand back.
But anyways.
Thanks for posting. I think that is a cute pic, although the lighting is not great. She looks cute, though.
That sucks the orchestra will only be on the 18th date. I'm pretty sure that's too early for me to see. :(

Jessica Leigh

10-31-2005, 02:16 PM

dissention

10-31-2005, 02:19 PM

or airbrush it?

Depends. Newspapers pretty much don't airbrush photos before sending them to the presses. The New York Times is infamous for refusing to airbrush.

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 02:26 PM

Isn't it a given that, at the very least, Beauty and the Beast will be one of the orchestra songs?

If it isn't then up is down, right is left and the moon is made of green
cheese. . . . :shocked: Then again this IS Stevieland so . . . .

ELIUD

10-31-2005, 02:28 PM

I think this is a snapshot of her done by a staff photographer when they interviewed her for the story. Based on the glaring imperfections that have been noted, it hardly comes across as a professionally lit glamour shot since little or no photoshopping was done. And I think she looks cute as hell.

JazmenFlowers

10-31-2005, 02:28 PM

i think the pic is cute except for what appears to be shadows btwn her teeth... making it look like she has a giant gap btwn her two front teeth... bubba stevie....

my first reaction was "ew ew ew ew ew ew" oh, and the smeared/ clumped mascara on the one eye... we all get it from time to time, but aren't they supposed to photograph diff angles to avoid that... or airbrush it?
yeah, something is askew about that picture :lol: I was like, trying to make myself like it, but I don't...I LOVE the happy smile, but the angle is bad bad. But I'm not gonna dog here...I'm happy she looks happy and hopefully will do awesome shows - SOMEONE BETTER RECORD AND TAKE MAJOR PICS!!!

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 02:29 PM

i think the pic is cute except for what appears to be shadows btwn her teeth... making it look like she has a giant gap btwn her two front teeth... bubba stevie....

my first reaction was "ew ew ew ew ew ew" oh, and the smeared/ clumped mascara on the one eye... we all get it from time to time, but aren't they supposed to photograph diff angles to avoid that... or airbrush it?

Think, "See this smile? Want it to STAY here???
TAKE THE DAMN PIC, please, I have stuff to do,
THANK you! :D "

But HEY if some moron was paying ME 200 large for sitting on my butt
all day I'D have a big huge happy grin TOO! :lol:

I DO love the pic. though and I really do think she looks happy.
Hey, maybe her HORSE won!!! :thumbsup:

golden braid

10-31-2005, 02:33 PM

Wow. That picture is atrocious. I thought it was all about the glamour, Stevie?
It's not a very good picture. I think Stevie's looks cute but her eyemake looks awful. I do like that she's smiling since she doesn't do that very often for photos.

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 02:40 PM

It's not a very good picture. I think Stevie's looks cute but her eyemake looks awful. I do like that she's smiling since she doesn't do that very often for photos.

I wonder if maybe this was taken by a friend or someone in her
entourage, rather than a professional photographer?
If it was a pro there probably would have been artificial
lighting, and there's clearly not.
LOVE the smile too, though! :cool: :woohoo:

I know she's working here, but it's sorta a fun vacation too, I think -
so maybe someone in her "group" took the photo for them, basically
said in a polite way "take it or leave it" and then she did the interview
over the phone. . . .

skcin

10-31-2005, 02:41 PM

This pic bugs. Not sure why. She looks kinda cute, but there's something odd about it. :shrug:

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 02:45 PM

This pic bugs. Not sure why. She looks kinda cute, but there's something odd about it. :shrug:

I think maybe it's 'cause she's 50%, "WOW this is gonna be FUN!"
and 50% "Go AWAY! It's TOO EARLY! This is supposed to be a
f'g VACATION! See? SMILING!!! Take the damn PIC please!"

yuk-yuk! :lol:

Come to think of it, I think maybe there's also something you're noticing
"subconsciously" but not consciously -
she's wearing her normal, everyday clothes, and not acting all "mystical"
and "magical" - she's not being Stevie Nicks Big Huge Stage Presence/
Rock Star, but rather, Stephanie Nicks, Excited Guest at the Melbourne
Cup/ Tired Traveller Who's About To Go See If They Have "Judging Amy"
on TV in This Hotel Room and Then Check Out Room Service.

sparky

10-31-2005, 02:55 PM

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 02:56 PM

blinker12

10-31-2005, 03:05 PM

I think it's cool that she feels comfortable enough with herself to allow herself to be photographed without a bunch of special lighting, photoshopping, etc. Maybe she's turned over a new leaf and is just thinking -- to hell with it, I'm 57, deal!

amber

10-31-2005, 03:06 PM

I know :mad:
Use your awesome lawerly skills to try to justify it to yourself. Maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to put one over on ol' Strand.
:laugh:

jkmaletic

10-31-2005, 03:09 PM

EnchantedSLN

10-31-2005, 03:16 PM

The Tower

10-31-2005, 03:19 PM

I don't think that EO17 or Stand Back would be great choices for an orchestra. Not with their current pacing or structure. I agree with her there.

FIVE OR SIX SONGS ?

:eek: :mad:

I can't justify the trip for that.
Yep. As usual, this whole thing is lame. I'm sooooooo tired of the quarter-assed execution of her stuff.

She will have about a total of six months to prepare for one show and five or six songs is the best she can do??? Lame. Lame. Lame.

"Stand Back" with an orchestra would be awful. Please do not do it.

There will be nothing creative or new on this thing. Just the same old recycled, tired show. Record a new album or retire already...

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 03:20 PM

I think it's cute! It's a candid photo of her in her hotel room, not the cover of next month's Vogue :p. Now, Tiff, don't go ruining everyone's chance to grouse and nitpick! Party pooper!

Neal

10-31-2005, 03:21 PM

Kinda off subject, but when I see pictures like this it reminds me that she's not getting younger (even though it's a good picture for a 57-year-old). Anyway, do you guys really think she will take an ENTIRE YEAR off after this Australia mini-tour? I'm guessing Mr. Fleetwood will have her back touring with the Mac sooner than she thinks. What do you guys think?

I've decided that I would be happy with the Gold Dust Tour being her last if it meant more new music; but if she really has no intention of recording again, I say tour away! :nod:

dissention

10-31-2005, 03:23 PM

Kinda off subject, but when I see pictures like this it reminds me that she's not getting younger (even though it's a good picture for a 57-year-old). Anyway, do you guys really think she will take an ENTIRE YEAR off after this Australia mini-tour? I'm guessing Mr. Fleetwood will have her back touring with the Mac sooner than she thinks. What do you guys think?

I think she should retire from the road and concentrate on recording. But the road is where the money's at right now, not in recording albums.

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 03:25 PM

She will have about a total of six months to prepare for one show and five or six songs is the best she can do??? Lame. Lame. Lame.A full-length set, with five or six songs backed by an orchestra... sounds pretty cool to me.

But then I wasn't expecting her to come out and do 18 songs backed by an orchestra, with the night's hightlight being a stirring rendition of "Battle Of The Dragon."

amber

10-31-2005, 03:26 PM

Except that Ms. Rice is a lizard-hag to begin with.

:lol: :lol:
yeah. the frightening cross breed "lizard hag".
I think it's cute, too. Everyone's being bitchezzzzzzz....

mcboo

10-31-2005, 03:26 PM

I like the pic :woohoo: if that's what 57 looks like....bring it on!!!;)

dissention

10-31-2005, 03:28 PM

But then I wasn't expecting her to come out and do 18 songs backed by an orchestra, with the night's hightlight being a stirring rendition of "Battle Of The Dragon."

Of course you wouldn't, this is Stevie Nicks we're talking about here. :laugh:

I'm kind of curious as to how they're going to blend the songs with the orchestra with the songs done by her touring band.

jkmaletic

10-31-2005, 03:40 PM

"Lizard hag"?? I love that! :D Good one Tiffany!

The Tower

10-31-2005, 03:43 PM

A full-length set, with five or six songs backed by an orchestra... sounds pretty cool to me.
Of course it does. You would be satisfied if they wheeled her out on a guerney wearing that same old dress and frankenboks, she farted, said the word "Rhiannon" and then they wheeled her off.

"She's still got it!", raves complacent Stevie Nicks fans throughout the world.

A reporter after the show walked up to a hysterical, sobbing fan- a woman in her 40's wearing a shawl and a top hat, "Oh my gawd- 'Rhiannon' was the best I've heard in a long time. She's really come back from her Street Angel days. She can still hit those high notes on 'Rhiannon'..." The woman broke into sobs and was helped away by her daughter Sara, aged 21.

But then I wasn't expecting her to come out and do 18 songs backed by an orchestra, with the night's hightlight being a stirring rendition of "Battle Of The Dragon."
I don't think anyone was, but we can still hope for it. Elton John managed to release a live performance of fourteen song with the MSO from all different points of his career while being high as a kite on coke and booze with his vocal cords shredded to the point where he immediately when into throat surgery after the experience.

Stevie is lazy. She can do anything she wants for this performance. Instead of trying for something fresh, it will just be Dinosaur City.

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 03:48 PM

I think maybe it's 'cause she's 50%, "WOW this is gonna be FUN!"
and 50% "Go AWAY! It's TOO EARLY! This is supposed to be a
f'g VACATION! See? SMILING!!! Take the damn PIC please!"

yuk-yuk! :lol:

Come to think of it, I think maybe there's also something you're noticing
"subconsciously" but not consciously -
she's wearing her normal, everyday clothes, and not acting all "mystical"
and "magical" - she's not being Stevie Nicks Big Huge Stage Presence/
Rock Star, but rather, Stephanie Nicks, Excited Guest at the Melbourne
Cup/ Tired Traveller Who's About To Go See If They Have "Judging Amy"
on TV in This Hotel Room and Then Check Out Room Service."

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 03:52 PM

I don't think that EO17 or Stand Back would be great choices for an orchestra. Not with their current pacing or structure. I agree with her there.

FIVE OR SIX SONGS ?

:eek: :mad:

I can't justify the trip for that.

remember to take Modern Expectations and divide by two to convert
to seventies/hippy units. Remember how she spoke about the
"incredible special effects" planned for the Vegas show???
God Bless Her but i.m.o. she's not up to speed on this.
It's time to contract out. . . . :rolleyes:

Then again, who's the one who just got paid 200 large for sitting in a CHAIR all day, me or her??? :shocked:

Neal

10-31-2005, 03:56 PM

gldstwmn

10-31-2005, 03:56 PM

I love, love, love that picture of Stevie. Thank you for posting. :wavey:

HejiraNYC

10-31-2005, 03:57 PM

A full-length set, with five or six songs backed by an orchestra... sounds pretty cool to me.

But then I wasn't expecting her to come out and do 18 songs backed by an orchestra, with the night's hightlight being a stirring rendition of "Battle Of The Dragon."

I saw Sheryl Crow w/ strings last night at Lincoln Center (which they filmed BTW), and I couldn't help but wonder how Stevie was going to pull this off. I am sure it's no coincidence that Stevie happened to be seen attending one of Sheryl's recent shows. My overall impression was: eh :shrug: . It just meant that there were strings where there would normally be a keyboard or organ part. But then again, it occurred to me last night that a lot of Sheryl's recordings already had strings in them anyway, so the strings didn't seem particularly novel. It was more like, what would she have done without them?

Stevie, on the other hand, hasn't had much use for strings or string keyboard sounds on her recordings:

-Django/Races are Run
-Beauty and the Beast
-Crystal

Some songs that I think would really sound hot with strings:

-Rhiannon (the arrangements should mirror Christine's Fender Rhodes parts)
-At Last
-Sorcerer
-Trouble in Shangri-la (lots of rhythmic cello on the choruses!)
-If Anyone Falls (to mirror the synth parts).
-Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You

This is really tempting... gah! I do want to go very badly. But it's not helping that ticket prices to all of these shows are so high. I realize that it is a large expense to lug her equipment and entourage (and supposedly furniture too! :eek: ) all the way down there, but US$150 per ticket is insane. I mean, can't she do some warmup shows in Vegas or something? :thumbsup: So when does Screechine take another vacation from Caesar's? :lol:

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 03:57 PM

I love, love, love that picture of Stevie. Thank you for posting. :wavey:

I know - I do too :cool:

mcboo

10-31-2005, 04:02 PM

i'd REALLY be impressed if she farted Rhiannon :laugh:

amber

10-31-2005, 04:03 PM

i'd REALLY be impressed if she farted Rhiannon :laugh:
Bet she can burp Dreams, too.

The Tower

10-31-2005, 04:03 PM

i'd REALLY be impressed if she farted Rhiannon :laugh:
The chorus is surprisingly easy, as long as you've got enough gas to hold out the note....

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:07 PM

Of course it does. You would be satisfied if they wheeled her out on a guerney wearing that same old dress and frankenboks, she farted, said the word "Rhiannon" and then they wheeled her off.

"She's still got it!", raves complacent Stevie Nicks fans throughout the world.

A reporter after the show walked up to a hysterical, sobbing fan- a woman in her 40's wearing a shawl and a top hat, "Oh my gawd- 'Rhiannon' was the best I've heard in a long time. She's really come back from her Street Angel days. She can still hit those high notes on 'Rhiannon'..." The woman broke into sobs and was helped away by her daughter Sara, aged 21.

I don't think anyone was, but we can still hope for it. Elton John managed to release a live performance of fourteen song with the MSO from all different points of his career while being high as a kite on coke and booze with his vocal cords shredded to the point where he immediately when into throat surgery after the experience.

Stevie is lazy. She can do anything she wants for this performance. Instead of trying for something fresh, it will just be Dinosaur City.

My words cannot express your awful loveliness.

jannieC

10-31-2005, 04:07 PM

This pic bugs. Not sure why. She looks kinda cute, but there's something odd about it. :shrug:

I think she just has too much make-up on. I think she always looks best when she's not so made up.

sparky

10-31-2005, 04:13 PM

I know :mad:

I just sat my ass down, and did some calculations.

Figuring in the flight, a decent hotel, tix, spending money, and the possibility that I would lose a week of salary...without question this little week long vacation (and I am only thinking six days) would knock a 6k hole in the Sparky budget. Maybe more. Considering the fact that I will feel self indulgent and silly it could be 7k.

Wouldn't bankrupt me, but it seems a bit silly for 6 songs that I never heard before. Ooops. Subtract At Last, SKOL, and Landslide, as I bet she will recycle those and it means three. That 2k a song.

Looking like a foolish expenditure of money.:shrug:

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 04:15 PM

I just sat my ass down, and did some calculations.

Figuring in the flight, a decent hotel, tix, spending money, and the possibility that I would lose a week of salary...without question this little week long vacation (and I am only thinking six days) would knock a 6k hole in the Sparky budget. Maybe more. Considering the fact that I will feel self indulgent and silly it could be 7k.

Wouldn't bankrupt me, but it seems a bit silly for 6 songs that I never heard before. Ooops. Subtract At Last, SKOL, and Landslide, as I bet she will recycle those and it means three. That 2k a song.

Looking like a foolish expenditure of money.:shrug:

Well, I would be going to see Australia and NZ, which I have always wanted to do. But, the timing is not great for me then. So, I am most like not going.

The Tower

10-31-2005, 04:16 PM

Looking like a foolish expenditure of money.:shrug:
Tell me about it.

Let's compare $7,000.00 with no guarantee of anything fresh to $25.00 for a DVD and/or free possible show recordings. I'm planning on keeping my $6,975.00....

ELIUD

10-31-2005, 04:20 PM

I can't even afford to think about going. This concert is clearly for Australians, rich people and crazy fans with credit cards.

ontheEdgeof17

10-31-2005, 04:23 PM

Tell me about it.

Let's compare $7,000.00 with no guarantee of anything fresh to $25.00 for a DVD and/or free possible show recordings. I'm planning on keeping my $6,975.00....

At least we will have great overdubbed vocals to look forward to.....instead of tired, uninspired vocals in person. :wavey: :p

danax6

10-31-2005, 04:27 PM

This pic bugs. Not sure why. She looks kinda cute, but there's something odd about it. :shrug:I'm not really loving it either. Most of that can be blamed on the bad lighting (I sure hope this wasn't taken by a professional photographer) but the make-up is off also. She still looks darn cute though, if you are willing to look past what I just mentioned. :xoxo:

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:30 PM

i think the pic is cute except for what appears to be shadows btwn her teeth... making it look like she has a giant gap btwn her two front teeth... bubba stevie....

Pffffffffft! :laugh:

Yeah, the pic leaves a lot to be desired. She is looking her age here, which is not a bad thing, I'm just used to all those "touched up" "good lighting" pics of her. She clearly was not groomed for this shot.

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:32 PM

Pffffffffft! :laugh:

Yeah, the pic leaves a lot to be desired. She is looking her age here, which is not a bad thing, I'm just used to all those "touched up" "good lighting" pics of her. She clearly was not groomed for this shot.

It's the whoreanus hair that is most offensive. The rest? Meh. But the hair is criminal.

ontheEdgeof17

10-31-2005, 04:32 PM

UGH.

Her eye makeup has got to go! It always looks too thick and smudged.....this pic is no different.

Livia

10-31-2005, 04:32 PM

Speaking of gas:

I went into the 7-11 gas station the other day
and asked for five dollars worth of gas.

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt!
:wavey:

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 04:33 PM

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 04:34 PM

Speaking of gas:

I went into the 7-11 gas station the other day
and asked for five dollars worth of gas.

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt!
:wavey:

I love you for that!:wavey:

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:34 PM

Speaking of gas:

I went into the 7-11 gas station the other day
and asked for five dollars worth of gas.

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt!
:wavey:

Bless your heart, you must stop making me laugh like this. First it was the "GOD WARRIOR!!!" and now this. You silly thang. :xoxo:

Jyqm

10-31-2005, 04:35 PM

I just sat my ass down, and did some calculations.

Figuring in the flight, a decent hotel, tix, spending money, and the possibility that I would lose a week of salary...without question this little week long vacation (and I am only thinking six days) would knock a 6k hole in the Sparky budget. Maybe more. Considering the fact that I will feel self indulgent and silly it could be 7k.

Wouldn't bankrupt me, but it seems a bit silly for 6 songs that I never heard before. Ooops. Subtract At Last, SKOL, and Landslide, as I bet she will recycle those and it means three. That 2k a song.

Looking like a foolish expenditure of money.:shrug:

I'm amazed that people are actually considering going to these.

Jessica Leigh

10-31-2005, 04:35 PM

UGH.

Her eye makeup has got to go! It always looks too thick and smudged.....this pic is no different.

you know what it is? it's like, after you've had a long day and your makeup has started smearing, falling off etc... and you HAVE to be somewhere like, NOW for something really important and you have no time to wash off your face and start over with nice, new makeup, so you clean up the smear marks and you put new makeup over it.... that's what it looks like.... and the lighting is bad. :D

GypsySorcerer

10-31-2005, 04:36 PM

This pic bugs. Not sure why. She looks kinda cute, but there's something odd about it. :shrug:
Ditto. It must be the angle and the eye make-up. :shrug:

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:37 PM

It's the whoreanus hair that is most offensive. The rest? Meh. But the hair is criminal.

She needs a deep conditioner like nobody's business!

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:38 PM

Speaking of gas:

I went into the 7-11 gas station the other day
and asked for five dollars worth of gas.

The clerk farted and gave me a receipt!
:wavey:

:laugh::]:thumbsup:

ontheEdgeof17

10-31-2005, 04:38 PM

you know what it is? it's like, after you've had a long day and your makeup has started smearing, falling off etc... and you HAVE to be somewhere like, NOW for something really important and you have no time to wash off your face and start over with nice, new makeup, so you clean up the smear marks and you put new makeup over it.... that's what it looks like.... and the lighting is bad. :D

"My makeup's dark and it's careless".....Girl ain't kiddin'

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:38 PM

She needs a deep conditioner like nobody's business!

:laugh:

Stevie, VO5 hot oil is your friend. Do not be scared.

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:39 PM

:laugh:

Stevie, VO5 hot oil is your friend. Do not be scared.

She really needs to take a few inches off, I know, I know, the sanctimonous long hair, but really, it wouldn't make that much difference.

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=ontheEdgeof17]"My makeup's dark and it's careless".....

Sweet :thumbsup:.

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:41 PM

She really needs to take a few inches off, I know, I know, the sanctimonous long hair, but really, it wouldn't make that much difference.

My stylist Hilda needs to attack homegirl with her thinning shears. It needs a few inches lopped off and it needs to be thinned out like Marlon Brando post Streetcar.

jkmaletic

10-31-2005, 04:41 PM

:laugh:

Stevie, VO5 hot oil is your friend. Do not be scared.

I think her hair is victim to the straightening iron. Besides that, I like it, but then this is coming from a person who's been accused of having "80's hair" (me - :o )

Livia

10-31-2005, 04:42 PM

Bless your heart, you must stop making me laugh like this. First it was the "GOD WARRIOR!!!" and now this. You silly thang. :xoxo:

I'm posting "gargYle" lady on chit-chat....cuz she's a good CHRISTIAAAAAN-AAAAH!

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:44 PM

I'm posting "gargYle" lady on chit-chat....cuz she's a good CHRISTIAAAAAN-AAAAH!

GET OUT OF MAH HOUSE! In the name of Jesus almighty, I PRAY! Everything is TAINTED!

LeighB04

10-31-2005, 04:44 PM

It's just stage or television make-up photographed under natural lighting.... looks like cr*p in real life, but on film, she looks years younger. Hate that stuff, but it really does make even young women look older when shot like that. (Concealer - yuk) This pic could have been taken after her recent Today Show spot...

sparky

10-31-2005, 04:45 PM

Totally OFF TOPIC.

It's 90 degrees in Los Angeles. The sky is clear blue. The sun is bright. I am slathered in sunscreen and I am going swimming.

Eat your heart out, East Coasters.:wavey:

dissention

10-31-2005, 04:46 PM

danax6

10-31-2005, 04:46 PM

Well, she either needs to chop it, or add those frisky extensions again. :nod:

amber

10-31-2005, 04:47 PM

Totally OFF TOPIC.

It's 90 degrees in Los Angeles. The sky is clear blue. The sun is bright. I am slathered in sunscreen and I am going swimming.

Eat your heart out, East Coasters.:wavey:

It is incredibly blue and sunny here today. It smells like fall. There is a slight breeze. The trees are riotous colors. It's about 70 degrees.
Eat your heart out, East Coasters who like it to be a bit cooler than ninety degrees!!!:laugh:

cliffdweller

10-31-2005, 04:47 PM

My stylist Hilda needs to attack homegirl with her thinning shears. It needs a few inches lopped off and it needs to be thinned out like Marlon Brando post Streetcar.

:laugh::laugh: So true, so true. Stevie needs a good razor cut. I'd love to design a new hairstyle for her.

Jessica Leigh

10-31-2005, 04:48 PM

Totally OFF TOPIC.

It's 90 degrees in Los Angeles. The sky is clear blue. The sun is bright. I am slathered in sunscreen and I am going swimming.

Eat your heart out, East Coasters.:wavey:

i was just thinking the same thing an hour ago while sitting in my backyard, looking at my palm trees and enjoying the heat... then i had to go inside cause my t shirt was too warm for me

danax6

10-31-2005, 04:48 PM

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 04:50 PM

I was a beautiful day and weekend in Hotlanta. Sadly, I think I am coming down with the flu as my throat is sore.

Livia

10-31-2005, 04:52 PM

We've been having gorgeous weather lately - a thunderstorm rolled through today, but I think it will be clear the rest of the evening. :wavey:

The Tower

10-31-2005, 04:55 PM

I don't consider myself complacent... I'm just not unreasonable in my expectations
Since when has demanding fresh material been unreasonable expections??

or interested in shitting all over everything the woman does
Holy Exaggeration, Batman! Same old story from you Brian- I make a comment about how lazy she's getting and now I'm shitting all over EVERYTHING she does. I guess you missed my "Long Way To Go" Appreciation Thread.

Just because Stevie can do no wrong as far as you are concerned does not mean that others would prefer her to strive for greatness.

Stevie's touring Australia solo for the first time in 20 years, and she'll be performing a half dozen songs with a full orchestra backing... that's something out of the ordinary and worth being excited about.
It will only be out of the ordinary if she's does some fresh material and puts some OOMPH into the vocals. Otherwise it will be very ordinary.

I haven't noticed any of the Australian fans pissing or moaning. :shrug:
I wouldn't think they would. However, I did notice some of the Aussie's pissing and moaning about the Vegas performances- as well they should have. If I lived in Australia, I would have been torn between spending a lot of money and missing a potential "lifetime moment". Same thing for me- I was seriously considering laying out the cash to go and make a trip out of it with Gay Mardi Gras and all. However, after reading the "five or six songs" routine, I can imagine that it will not be worth it. Let's see....

"Dreams"
"Rhiannon"
"Gold Dust Woman"
"Landslide"
"Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You?"
"Stand Back"

instead of

"Crystal"
"Trouble In Shangri-La"
"Ooh, My Love"
"Kind of Woman"
"Battle of the Dragon"
"Storms"

All six of those songs are perfectly within her vocal ability these days- and would be phenomenal with a full orchestra. She could make the MSO songs magical and fresh and then leave her standard rock stuff for the nine-piece band. Heart was able to pull off the strings/woodwinds thing on The Road Home and they also pulled out some great stuff that hadn't be performed to death. Why Stevie can't give her fans just a little bit this, I'll never understand.

The Tower

10-31-2005, 04:58 PM

I was a beautiful day and weekend in Hotlanta. Sadly, I think I am coming down with the flu as my throat is sore.
Is your sore throat from the flu or from your night out on Saturday??? ;)

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 04:58 PM

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 04:59 PM

Is your sore throat from the flu or from your night out on Saturday??? ;)

Yes, my tonsils are inflamed and have required medication in the form of a large red pill, that goes nicely with my small yellow and small white ones. Mamma is gonna be in a fog in about 20 minutes :laugh:

The Tower

10-31-2005, 05:02 PM

^^^^

With all due respect, she has not toured Australia solo in decades - so for her to haul out without the hits would go over like a lead baloon no matter how much I want to hear something different.
Which is why I said this:
She could make the MSO songs magical and fresh and then leave her standard rock stuff for the nine-piece band.

She should make the MSO songs special for everyone and rock out on the hits for the Aussies- I wouldn't have a problem with that. I went Vegas and spent some cash and the setlist was tired, but it was all worth it for "Beauty and the Beast".

Ghost_Tracker

10-31-2005, 05:03 PM

Bless your heart, you must stop making me laugh like this. First it was the "GOD WARRIOR!!!" and now this. You silly thang. :xoxo:

God, people should print this stuff out
and USE it some where lol . . . .
a BAR or . . . SOME-place! :shocked: :rolleyes:
FREE for the TAKING ! :laugh:

SapphireSister

10-31-2005, 05:26 PM

I think it's cute! It's a candid photo of her in her hotel room, not the cover of next month's Vogue :p. Consider too that the main light source is coming from an adjacent window, and one made of obscured glass at that. Not really optimal conditions for an early morning photoshoot.

I think the "eye thing" is just a combo of shadows, cake-y makeup, and a little wrinkle or two made worse than it actually is by sharpening of the photo for publication (kinda like the Condi Rice pic people were in an uproar about. Except that Ms. Rice is a lizard-hag to begin with.)

Thanks for that Tiff (great points!) but even with all of these things taken into consideration the picture is still god-awful. I cringed when I saw it. She is so much prettier than this. You know what thought, so what? It's a bad picture, I could think of worse things.

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 05:43 PM

Since when has demanding fresh material been unreasonable expections??I think it's unreasonable when you and I and everyone here knows it's not going to happen, and yet you still demand it.

Every time Stevie tours, the same old tired complaints about her "same old tired" setlist crop up.
The irony isn't lost on me as you guys endlessly repeat yourselves complaining about Stevie endlessly repeating herself.

I make a comment about how lazy she's getting and now I'm shitting all over EVERYTHING she does. I guess you missed my "Long Way To Go" Appreciation Thread.I was referring to tours and performances.... which, aside from one or two songs in the setlist, you tend to consistently complain about.
Funny thing... "Long Way To Go" isn't really a favorite of mine. Go figure.

Just because Stevie can do no wrong as far as you are concerned does not mean that others would prefer her to strive for greatness.Again, I've never said that every little thing Stevie does knocks my socks off. You only assume that because I don't waste my time whine-bagging about it. ;)

And for the record, yes, I would love it if Stevie pulled out more rare songs and put together a setlist that would blow us all away (and shut a few people up in the process :laugh: ), but I'm not going to complain every. single. time. she doesn't.

At any rate, I'm not taking this little debate seriously... just fun to give you guys a hard time once in a while. :xoxo:

Jyqm

10-31-2005, 05:47 PM

^^^^

With all due respect, she has not toured Australia solo in decades - so for her to haul out without the hits would go over like a lead baloon no matter how much I want to hear something different.

Bull shit. Stevie supposedly has such devoted fans all over the world, I think they'll be able to handle a concert in which Stevie doesn't hold their hands like children as she walks them through every one of her warhorses.

Why is it that the people who carp on others for wishing Stevie/FM would mix up her/their setlists always take that wish to mean, "They shouldn't play any hits whatsoever"? For the hundredth time, this is not an all-or-nothing proposition. Stevie plays between fifteen and twenty songs a night, there's no reason half of those can't be "rarities."

If she went out on stage and performed "Dreams," "Rhiannon," "Stand Back," "Edge of Seventeen" and "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," and the rest were all b-sides and long-forgotten album tracks, I can't imagine that anybody would leave feeling disappointed that she didn't do "Outside The Rain" or "Enchanted."

And again, take a look at the Enchanted tour "acoustic set" for evidence that Stevie can do this and fans are appreciative of it.

The Tower

10-31-2005, 05:56 PM

I think it's unreasonable when you and I and everyone here knows it's not going to happen, and yet you still demand it.
It's not even close to unreasonable. It's perfectly within reason. Stevie's just too lazy and scared.

Every time Stevie tours, the same old tired complaints about her "same old tired" setlist crop up.
The irony isn't lost on me as you guys endlessly repeat yourselves complaining about Stevie endlessly repeating herself.
Meh. I would rather stay vigilant and hope for something then sit back and say "Yippee!!!".

I was referring to tours and performances....
Thanks for the clarification...

which, aside from one or two songs in the setlist, you tend to consistently complain about.
Damn right I do. If she would mix it up a little bit and release a new album every once in awhile I wouldn't be complaining at all.

Funny thing... "Long Way To Go" isn't really a favorite of mine. Go figure.
Eh, I can't expect everyone to have good taste.

Again, I've never said that every little thing Stevie does knocks my socks off. You only assume that because I don't waste my time whine-bagging about it. ;)
As opposed to wasting your time flying to the rescue anytime you feel Stevie's honor has been slighted.

JazmenFlowers

10-31-2005, 06:00 PM

lordy lordy people. things getting a little hot up in herre...again...

The Tower

10-31-2005, 06:01 PM

If she went out on stage and performed "Dreams," "Rhiannon," "Stand Back," "Edge of Seventeen" and "Stop Draggin' My Heart Around," and the rest were all b-sides and long-forgotten album tracks, I can't imagine that anybody would leave feeling disappointed that she didn't do "Outside The Rain" or "Enchanted."

And again, take a look at the Enchanted tour "acoustic set" for evidence that Stevie can do this and fans are appreciative of it.
I'm loving you more every day.....

I was really proud of her on the Enchanted tour. "Garbo", "Sleeping Angel" (!!!!), "Enchanted", "Gold and Braid", "After The Glitter Fades", "Rose Garden" and "Twisted". Yes, Stevie- it is possible to play rarities to an appreciative crowd.

Kelly

10-31-2005, 06:01 PM

I am not thinking the photo is all that bad. The makeup is a mess but shit happens. I like to see her smile because that is a rarity when she is photographed. We always get the "canned, serious, I am so sexy" pose.
I like candid Stevie moments and her hotel room is certainly pretty casual.

Jyqm

10-31-2005, 06:14 PM

I was really proud of her on the Enchanted tour. "Garbo", "Sleeping Angel" (!!!!), "Enchanted", "Gold and Braid", "After The Glitter Fades", "Rose Garden" and "Twisted". Yes, Stevie- it is possible to play rarities to an appreciative crowd.

And she clearly loved doing it! Why she has this idea that she could only ever do it on that tour is beyond me.

The true irony here is not that folks like us complain about stale setlists every tour. The true irony is this: The fact that there are so many fans who actually defend these tired song choices is exactly the reason that she should feel more comfortable mixing things up. Stevie has some of the most hardcore, dedicated, ass-licking fans in the world! They own every variation of every record she's ever put out, they know every song by heart backwards, they own all kinds of ridiculous memorabilia. As you said earlier, there is just a huge protion of her audience that would give her a standing ovation if she were wheeled out onstage, farted "Rhiannon," and left. I don't think these fans would somehow falter in their undying devotion if she pulled out "Nightbird" or "Bella Donna" or "Storms."

AliceLover

10-31-2005, 06:31 PM

Rooms on Fire would TOTALLY work with an Orchestra. I would love to see that. As for this little set list debate that happens everytime, I would rather still see Enchanted and Outside the Rain then Dreams and Stop Draggin My Heart Around. :wavey:

MelbourneDodger

10-31-2005, 06:56 PM

Although more of a "Chrissie guy" than a "Stevie guy", this seems exciting, and something that I'll go to.....especially because its literally just down the road from my house!!:D

...bring Lindsey!! :thumbsup:

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 07:25 PM

It's not even close to unreasonable. It's perfectly within reason. Stevie's just too lazy and scared.If she really were that lazy, she'd just stay home. But I do agree with you that she's afraid of trying anything new or out of her comfort range.

Damn right I do. If she would mix it up a little bit and release a new album every once in awhile I wouldn't be complaining at all.Did you manage to say that with a straight face? :p

As opposed to wasting your time flying to the rescue anytime you feel Stevie's honor has been slighted.I well and truly don't give a flying fig what you or anyone else thinks of Stevie at this point. I've been on the Ledge since 1997... there isn't a single thing that anyone can say about her that hasn't already been said.

If you pay attention, you'll see that I'm not defending her... but questioning the need to always take the piss out of anything that someone might be remotely excited about.
I'm sure the Australian fans who haven't seen her solo in twenty years are happy to hear what the jaded Americans who've seen her in concert two and three dozen times, think of the show they're looking forward to seeing.

Why not let someone else have a good time, instead of ranting about all the reasons you're convinced it's going to suck?

That's all I'm trying to say.

AliceLover

10-31-2005, 07:31 PM

If she really were that lazy, she'd just stay home. But I do agree with you that she's afraid of trying anything new or out of her comfort range.

Did you manage to say that with a straight face? :p

I well and truly don't give a flying fig what you or anyone else thinks of Stevie at this point. I've been on the Ledge since 1997... there isn't a single thing that anyone can say about her that hasn't already been said.

If you pay attention, you'll see that I'm not defending her... but questioning the need to always take the piss out of anything that someone might be remotely excited about.
I'm sure the Australian fans who haven't seen her solo in twenty years are happy to hear what the jaded Americans who've seen her in concert two and three dozen times, think of the show they're looking forward to seeing.

Why not let someone else have a good time, instead of ranting about all the reasons you're convinced it's going to suck?

That's all I'm trying to say.

I agree!!! The Austraillian Fans must be so thrilled! Im so happy for them!

sparky

10-31-2005, 07:34 PM

i was just thinking the same thing an hour ago while sitting in my backyard, looking at my palm trees and enjoying the heat... then i had to go inside cause my t shirt was too warm for me

It was just beautiful. I actually laid out in my speedo for about 15 minutes after my swim. Fantastic.

Phuck you. :wavey:

Plane tickets are on sale. Bring the dog along.

EnchantedSLN

10-31-2005, 07:36 PM

Now, Tiff, don't go ruining everyone's chance to grouse and nitpick! Party pooper!

Sorry... I'm a mindless lemming who adores everything Stevie has ever done. It's what I do! :laugh:

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 07:44 PM

Sorry... I'm a mindless lemming who adores everything Stevie has ever done. It's what I do! :laugh::laugh:

I hear ya... we mindless lemmings have to stick together! ;)

ontheEdgeof17

10-31-2005, 07:44 PM

Sorry... I'm a mindless lemming who adores everything Stevie has ever done. It's what I do! :laugh:

...and that's why we are twins.

JazmenFlowers

10-31-2005, 08:19 PM

:laugh:

I hear ya... we mindless lemmings have to stick together! ;)
mindless lemming reporting for duty

The Tower

10-31-2005, 08:22 PM

Did you manage to say that with a straight face? :p
Of course I did. I love Stevie. She is my favorite artist of all time. Which is why I want her to sing songs like "Sable on Blonde" live.

I well and truly don't give a flying fig what you or anyone else thinks of Stevie at this point. I've been on the Ledge since 1997...
All that time??? Man, did they even have long playing albums back then??

If you pay attention, you'll see that I'm not defending her... but questioning the need to always take the piss out of anything that someone might be remotely excited about.
If one really is excited about the prospect of seeing Stevie and is deflated by a comment of mine on an internet message board, then I doubt the strength of their excitement to begin with. I'm on exactly the same side as that giddy Aussie, it's just that I wanna see it good and I don't wanna flush $6,000.00 only to be disappointed.

I'm sure the Australian fans who haven't seen her solo in twenty years are happy to hear what the jaded Americans who've seen her in concert two and three dozen times, think of the show they're looking forward to seeing.
Again, if one's character is weak enough to be affected by stuff like this, it wasn't that strong to begin with.

Why not let someone else have a good time, instead of ranting about all the reasons you're convinced it's going to suck?
I hope everyone has a good time. I don't think her tired set lists suck- I just think she could do a better job.

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 08:45 PM

Of course I did. I love Stevie. She is my favorite artist of all time. Which is why I want her to sing songs like "Sable on Blonde" live.Truth be told, there are so many songs that, to me, are utter perfection in their studio versions, that I'm happy she's never performed them live.

But I express all of these opinions from the angle that I'm much more of a fan of recordings than live performances. For me, the "magic" comes from being alone with my headphones on, listening to the albums, and connecting with the songs in a private way. Being surrounded by hundreds or thousands of other people draws me out of the moment and my enjoyment of the music suffers.

So it doesn't disappoint me at all that she's never done "Sable On Blond" or "Battle Of The Dragon" or so many others, because I have my perfect little studio versions, which, in my mind, can't be topped.

If one really is excited about the prospect of seeing Stevie and is deflated by a comment of mine on an internet message board, then I doubt the strength of their excitement to begin with.

Again, if one's character is weak enough to be affected by stuff like this, it wasn't that strong to begin with.I know that's always the argument... "if someone is hurt by what I say, then too bad for them"... but what's wrong with having consideration for someone else's feelings? Life sucks the big one enough as it is, why not let people have something that brings them enjoyment without tainting it?

This isn't a good example at all, but in 1st or 2nd grade, my friend Mark went around telling everyone that Santa Claus wasn't real. Resulting in a lot of tears from our classmates and a lecture from our teacher.
I had already figured out for myself that "Santa" was in fact my mother and father, but I could tell that believing in Santa Claus made other kids happy, so I never said a word.

If something brings enjoyment to someone's life, I'd rather not be the one to piss on it for them.

Rumour0323

10-31-2005, 08:53 PM

As you said earlier, there is just a huge protion of her audience that would give her a standing ovation if she were wheeled out onstage, farted "Rhiannon," and left. I don't think these fans would somehow falter in their undying devotion if she pulled out "Nightbird" or "Bella Donna" or "Storms."

This is priceless and oh so true. Another lemming reporting for duty. :laugh:

Mokona

10-31-2005, 09:11 PM

I'm amazed that people are actually considering going to these. Me too! That's a whole lot of clams for just a few songs. Now if she was touring Japan, my dream vacation spot, I'd be booking a flight as we speak...:o

gldstwmn

10-31-2005, 09:36 PM

So, if you see a 155-centimetre blonde rock star in a black slouch hat, pearled cape and heels - it's her.

God, someone get a picture, please.

strandinthewind

10-31-2005, 09:49 PM

God, someone get a picture, please.

I know - and all I could think of when I read that for some reason was you in the red/pink boa hat in Sak's in May, which was FIERCE :eek:

Rickypt

10-31-2005, 09:52 PM

I'm glad this info is coming through before I put a bunch of charges on my credit card.

Of course it's great that fans in Australia will get to see Stevie. It would be nice for her to take the Gold Dust Tour around the world and please her fans.

But this orchestra thing is turning out to be nothing like I imagined. Which is my fault; I'm the eternal optimist. I thought I'd actually meet Stevie at the first AHI benefit when promised; I thought she was going to take chances in Vegas when she said the concert would be like nothing anyone's seen, etc.

I first read about this Melbourne Symphony idea in the SF Chronicle. The way it was written, it seemed like Stevie was going to rework her classics with an orchestra for a special performance. That led me to think she would actually play in a theater that was created for orchestras and was planning something very unique and special.

Instead, it is another arena tour with one concert offering a few songs with the symphony to make a DVD. And Stevie is now saying her typical "....you never know" when, as Neal has stated, we do know.

I highly doubt she will even do At Last or Sunday Kind of Love. She'll probably do HAEWAFY, Landslide, Beauty and the Beast, and maybe Circle Dance and Rhiannon with the orchestra, and that's it.

To me, the issue isn't about changing the setlist for this tour, it's why she won't go all out and make it something truly special: an elegant theater with quality of sound and an entire concert with all songs reworked to accomodate an orchestra.

I'm happy to wait for the DVD, which will be rerecorded after everyone goes home anyway.

sparky

10-31-2005, 10:42 PM

To me, the issue isn't about changing the setlist for this tour, it's why she won't go all out and make it something truly special: an elegant theater with quality of sound and an entire concert with all songs reworked to accomodate an orchestra.

Extremely well put.

I understand that this sort of thing is expensive and time consuming. However, doing something on that scale says something about an artist. It says that they believe their work is worthy of such a treatment. If she did this kind of thing, a great example of which is Joni Mitchell's Travelogue, the kind of respect generated by it might be of a different sort than she has ever managed to attain. It is the type of Bob Dylan stature to which she has always aspired. I'm disappointed that it isn't going to be on that grand scale because I would love to go see it in person, no matter the cost. I am more disappointed however, that she doesn't seem to think that her catalogue is worthy of such a grand statement. That package, not TISL, would be her true "masterpiece".

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 11:11 PM

I understand that this sort of thing is expensive and time consuming. However, doing something on that scale says something about an artist. It says that they believe their work is worthy of such a treatment. If she did this kind of thing, a great example of which is Joni Mitchell's Travelogue, the kind of respect generated by it might be of a different sort than she has ever managed to attain. It is the type of Bob Dylan stature to which she has always aspired. I'm disappointed that it isn't going to be on that grand scale because I would love to go see it in person, no matter the cost. I am more disappointed however, that she doesn't seem to think that her catalogue is worthy of such a grand statement. That package, not TISL, would be her true "masterpiece".Something like that would truly be a highmark in her latter-day career, and I think she could pull it off beautifully.

I wonder if she'd be more inclined to do something on that level if there weren't such time limitations on these proposals. Instead of having to put something together for just a handful of nights in Vegas, or having the MSO available to her for only one performance, maybe if she were in a situation where she could stay in one place and perform for a few weeks at a time, it might be different.

Then again, I also wonder if Stevie believes that she doesn't have enough wide-range appeal to successfully pull off something riskier than a standard classic rock shed tour with a setlist that will be automatically familiar to the audience.

sparky

10-31-2005, 11:24 PM

I wonder if she'd be more inclined to do something on that level if there weren't such time limitations on these proposals.

Time limitations ? Dude. It's November. February 18th is four months away.

A professional orchestra can rehearse a full length symphony in a few weeks. I am sure an hour and a half of pop songs, in two keys tops, would be a five day rehearsal.
Paul Buckmaster or some such contemporary could rustle up arrangements of 15-18 songs in a similar amount of time. A few weeks tops. I just think she can't be bothered at this point. That's what bugs me. Although she may be warming up to do just that. It would be easier to predict the rain patterns in Portland.

Johnny Stew

10-31-2005, 11:36 PM

Time limitations ? Dude. It's November. February 18th is four months away.I didn't mean limitations on rehearsal time... but rather on the amount of shows. She only did, what, five shows in Vegas? And she only has the MSO for one night. And, in both cases, she had/has to put together a show that will translate to a shed tour that quickly follows.

So what I was saying, is that maybe if they were multi-week engagements, without then having to adapt the show into something suitable for the sheds, she'd be more inclined to try something a little more different?
I don't know. Just a thought.

Although she may be warming up to do just that.True, and for all we know, she could be dipping her toes in the water, to gauge the reaction and see if there's any kind of serious interest in this type of show from her, beyond that of the die-hards.

sparky

10-31-2005, 11:48 PM

I didn't mean limitations on rehearsal time... but rather on the amount of shows. She only did, what, five shows in Vegas? And she only has the MSO for one night. And, in both cases, she had/has to put together a show that will translate to a shed tour that quickly follows.

True, and I suspect she made a shitload of cash for Vegas, which offset any of the cost for that prodcution.

So what I was saying, is that maybe if they were multi-week engagements, without then having to adapt the show into something suitable for the sheds, she'd be more inclined to try something a little more different?

Possible. And for all we know, the promoter might only have wanted her to do a short symphony set, in order to ensure more tickets sold. Who knows how booked that venue is ?

True, and for all we know, she could be dipping her toes in the water, to gauge the reaction and see if there's any kind of serious interest in this type of show from her, beyond that of the die-hards.

It looks that way. God knows she is a creature of habit, and the first Stormy Weather thing was 7-8 years ago. I think she is using Joni as a template, and working her way into it. And making someone else pay for the symphony, basically, which is smart.

Though, even with the die hards she could sell enough copies of such an extravaganza to make money. I mean, who the hell else bought the box set ?

amber

10-31-2005, 11:48 PM

Extremely well put.

I understand that this sort of thing is expensive and time consuming. However, doing something on that scale says something about an artist. It says that they believe their work is worthy of such a treatment. If she did this kind of thing, a great example of which is Joni Mitchell's Travelogue, the kind of respect generated by it might be of a different sort than she has ever managed to attain. It is the type of Bob Dylan stature to which she has always aspired. I'm disappointed that it isn't going to be on that grand scale because I would love to go see it in person, no matter the cost. I am more disappointed however, that she doesn't seem to think that her catalogue is worthy of such a grand statement. That package, not TISL, would be her true "masterpiece".
Nice. I agree. I wish we could tell her, and she would listen. Especially the part about her thinking her catalogue isn't worthy of such a grand statement. It's hard to believe she would think that, but judging by her actions you kind of have to. Perhaps age and that career low made a bigger blow to her confidence than suspected. But she should know that she really does have the most loyal and forgiving fans. It's hard for me to believe that Stevie couldn't imagine and conceive of something spectacular. Honestly. Stevie's always been about big, otherworldly dreams. And fantasy concepts. And stuff. :laugh: She's not just selling us short, she's selling her veryownself short.

sparky

10-31-2005, 11:58 PM

She's not just selling us short, she's selling her veryownself short.

Bingo. My Homegirl Jackie gets the prize.

But, she may be gearing up for real deal.:nod:

dissention

11-01-2005, 12:03 AM

But, she may be gearing up for real deal.:nod:

Then why the hell isn't she waiting to film the "real deal" for DVD?

amber

11-01-2005, 12:04 AM

Bingo. My Homegirl Jackie gets the prize.

But, she may be gearing up for real deal.:nod:
Plz. When, when she's 80? I hope you're right, though.
And is that...Jackie Suzanne, or Jackee? (from 227). Either way, pretty cool. I was very curvy tonight, too. (a la Jackee) I think my teacher almost asked me out...:laugh:

sparky

11-01-2005, 12:10 AM

Then why the hell isn't she waiting to film the "real deal" for DVD?

Probably because whoever ponied up the cash for the dvd isn't convinced one without the hits would sell enough to make them the profit they want.

This way she gets to retread the act again and sell another friggin dvd in five years or whenever. If one sells with six symphony songs, the next time she cuts a deal on an entire symphony dvd, she will have proof people will buy it and therefore be able to demand a bigger cut of the money.

desrtangl

11-01-2005, 12:58 AM

I'm not expecting anything unrealistic; I'd be happy with 'ROF' and 'TTM' (both of which would sound great with an orchestra, imho).

But for her to even imply 'EO17' and 'SB' might not work out, made me roll my eyes. But then again what doesn't...? :p
i think what she ment by this is not that they won't be played, but they won't be backed my orchestra...didn't the article say only like 7 songs would be backed by the orchestra?? At Last would be cool to see live!!!...I can't wait to hear more about this!!!:blob2:

Moony

11-01-2005, 01:35 AM

. Except that Ms. Rice is a lizard-hag to begin with.)
:laugh: I think I love you.

dissention

11-01-2005, 01:37 AM

:laugh: I think I love you.

When I watched her 9/11 Commission testimony, I half expected her to shoot her tongue out and catch a fly.

Have you ever heard "She Still Looks Reptilian To Me"? I'm so going to send it to you tomorrow.

Moony

11-01-2005, 01:46 AM

When I watched her 9/11 Commission testimony, I half expected her to shoot her tongue out and catch a fly.

Have you ever heard "She Still Looks Reptilian To Me"? I'm so going to send it to you tomorrow.
Ha. No I haven't heard that one. Yay, I'm getting a present tomorrow!

By the way, back to the subject of this thread..
I think that picture of Stevie is really frightening. :eek:

amber

11-01-2005, 02:24 AM

:laugh: I think I love you.
Wow, I said the exact same thing, yet....
I don't get a present. a CONDI present.
Business as usual.
If only I was gay gayerson. :laugh:

Janis_no1

11-01-2005, 02:57 AM

I don't consider myself complacent... I'm just not unreasonable in my expectations or interested in shitting all over everything the woman does.

Stevie's touring Australia solo for the first time in 20 years, and she'll be performing a half dozen songs with a full orchestra backing... that's something out of the ordinary and worth being excited about.

I haven't noticed any of the Australian fans pissing or moaning. :shrug:

I completely agree,

Im an aussie and im the one hopefully meeting her come this sat. I think it s damn fabulous that she has even thought about let alone agreed to tour here!! And with an orchestra that will be taped for dvd release!! friken woohoo guys!! Im going to be in the croed up the front for that! Nothing taking me away!

And since this is the photo discussion: i think the photo looks nice, she's smiling people, how many shots have her smiling??? huh? she looks more at ease and i LIKE that she hasn't demanded for her hair and make up to be perfect as per usual. So good on her for doing it and love it, a much more flattering pic to me!

dissention

11-01-2005, 11:36 AM

Wow, I said the exact same thing, yet....
I don't get a present. a CONDI present.
Business as usual.
If only I was gay gayerson. :laugh:

Everyone can hear it, babe! It's hilarious. I'm ripping it from my CD right now.

markolas

11-01-2005, 11:43 AM

Im an aussie and im the one hopefully meeting her come this sat. I think it s damn fabulous that she has even thought about let alone agreed to tour here!! And with an orchestra that will be taped for dvd release!!

I'm not independently wealthy like some other Ledgies apparently are :p so I have to content myself with new releases. And if I can't get a new solo album out of her, then I guess a new concert DVD is almost as good.

markolas

11-01-2005, 11:44 AM

Her hair does look a little thirsty in that pic. And she's getting to the age where she really should think about cutting it.

Jyqm

11-01-2005, 11:46 AM

Her hair does look a little thirsty in that pic. And she's getting to the age where she really should think about cutting it.

Or least tie it back or style it in some way. She looks like a scary china doll.

jkmaletic

11-01-2005, 11:49 AM

markolas

11-01-2005, 11:52 AM

No cutting- just stop with the straightening and maybe condition it. We've all seen her hair very beautiful-looking onstage, so I don't think it's at a point that it needs to be cut. We all have our own opinions though.

I honestly haven't cared for the way her hair looked since Enchanted.

She's had it shorter before (even if it was 20 years ago), so I don't see why it would be a big deal now. :shrug:

SillyDreamer

11-01-2005, 03:46 PM

My words cannot express your awful loveliness.

ah, but in the silence of her steps, can you see into the depths? :rolleyes:

dissention

11-01-2005, 03:50 PM

ah, but in the silence of her steps, can you see into the depths? :rolleyes:

And my heart beats loud in ecstasy. :laugh:

SillyDreamer

11-01-2005, 03:56 PM

And my heart beats loud in ecstasy. :laugh:

If I'm not mistaken, Rolling Stone used the line I referenced to basically condemn the entire album. Unfair, yes, but generally accurate :angel: No, all kidding aside, I like No Exit.. for all its flaws, I think it's a pretty enjoyable album. So come with me... through smoke and mirrors... we'll bring our differences nearer....

(sorta recalls such similar lyrical genius as "Our voices stray from the common ground where they could meet," no? :D)

Nicksluvver

11-01-2005, 09:31 PM

I completely agree,

Im an aussie and im the one hopefully meeting her come this sat. I think it s damn fabulous that she has even thought about let alone agreed to tour here!! And with an orchestra that will be taped for dvd release!! friken woohoo guys!! Im going to be in the croed up the front for that! Nothing taking me away!

And since this is the photo discussion: i think the photo looks nice, she's smiling people, how many shots have her smiling??? huh? she looks more at ease and i LIKE that she hasn't demanded for her hair and make up to be perfect as per usual. So good on her for doing it and love it, a much more flattering pic to me!

I agree with you both. Janis_no1 let me share, the chance you have to be at a taping of a Stevie event is not to be missed. As I constantly have to remind all of the Ledgies of my being at the Storytellers taping in the first row:lol: , you will have the time of your life !! ENJOY ! :wavey: