Two questions for the panel

[snowman]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

2. I was told that some time ago, Lindsay in anger, actually hit or pushed Stevie during a performance. Is this true?:shocked: Tell me this ain't so...

[strandinthewind]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

Lori Nicks was Stevie's friend and back up singer since like 1978. In the late 80's she married Stevie's brother and they had a child.

2. I was told that some time ago, Lindsay in anger, actually hit or pushed Stevie during a performance. Is this true?:shocked: Tell me this ain't so...

Mick Fleetwood wrote in his bio that LB kicked La Nicks at a concert. LB denies the incident.

[markolas]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

2. I was told that some time ago, Lindsay in anger, actually hit or pushed Stevie during a performance. Is this true?:shocked: Tell me this ain't so...

Lori is her sister-in-law.

Umm...I think I heard that he pushed her against a car while they were making Tango in the Night, or something. No clue if it's true.

[snowman]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

Lori Nicks was Stevie's friend and back up singer since like 1978. In the late 80's she married Stevie's brother and they had a child.

2. I was told that some time ago, Lindsay in anger, actually hit or pushed Stevie during a performance. Is this true?:shocked: Tell me this ain't so...

Mick Fleetwood wrote in his bio that LB kicked La Nicks at a concert. LB denies the incident.


Well if it did happen, you'd think a bunch of people in the audience would have seen it also...

Thanks to you and all the other Ledgies, by the way, for providing all the info and insights. I don't know a whole bunch about FM and Stevie. This forum is like an encyclopedia!! I'm slowly becoming addicted!!!

[Nicksluvver]

What I hear about the LB incidents is what has been said so far, he threw her against a car and was grabbing her arms tightly and cursing at her, and that he kicked her onstage during a concert (not sure if these things are true) and didn't they talk about the fact the he was making fun of her and her dance moves on the Tusk tour, to the point that he had her in tears and Chris went after him and told him to quit it? I remember seeing FM talk about this somewhere...............It is clear in the Angel concert part of the Tusk documentary that he is busting her chops, Stevie looks over at him when he grabs onto her out of nowhere to sing with her in the mike and after he walks away like :eek: , what the heck are you doing, weirdo!

[strandinthewind]

Well if it did happen, you'd think a bunch of people in the audience would have seen it also...

No person I know of has ever come forward. But, it was in like New Zealand in like 1979 or 1980 - so the odds of someone reporting it are remote. So, take Mick's report for what you think it is worth. Also, a little research on this board will reveal previous threads on this issue if you are interested.

[strandinthewind]

What I hear about the LB incidents is what has been said so far, he threw her against a car and was grabbing her arms tightly and cursing at her, and that he kicked her onstage during a concert (not sure if these things are true) and didn't they talk about the fact the he was making fun of her and her dance moves on the Tusk tour, to the point that he had her in tears and Chris went after him and told him to quit it? I remember seeing FM talk about this somewhere...............It is clear in the Angel concert part of the Tusk documentary that he is busting her chops, Stevie looks over at him when he grabs onto her out of nowhere to sing with her in the mike and after he walks away like :eek: , what the heck are you doing, weirdo!

Have you ever seen the outtakes of those sessions :eek:

That she ever went back after the huge success of Bella Donna will never cease to amaze me. But, she did and I think that was way cool of her to do.

[bikerchic]

It is clear in the Angel concert part of the Tusk documentary that he is busting her chops, Stevie looks over at him when he grabs onto her out of nowhere to sing with her in the mike and after he walks away like :eek: , what the heck are you doing, weirdo!
Wow, I so don't think that. I think it's the total opposite :shrug: They look really happy there and having a blast!

[strandinthewind]

Wow, I so don't think that. I think it's the total opposite :shrug: They look really happy there and having a blast!

In that part I agree. And - she even aludes to it when she goes on in some later interview about how that scene was a real peep into how she and LB work together and the palpable chemistry between them.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Have you ever seen the outtakes of those sessions :eek:



Yes. Chris is a major biotch to Stevie.

[danax6]

It is clear in the Angel concert part of the Tusk documentary that he is busting her chops, Stevie looks over at him when he grabs onto her out of nowhere to sing with her in the mike and after he walks away like :eek: , what the heck are you doing, weirdo!Not weird. Cute is the word we are looking for here. Cute. :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

Yes. Chris is a major biotch to Stevie.

Yea Yea Stevie we get it - Angels - yea yea :eek:

[Nicksluvver]

Have you ever seen the outtakes of those sessions :eek:

That she ever went back after the huge success of Bella Donna will never cease to amaze me. But, she did and I think that was way cool of her to do.

No never saw the outtakes! Can you describe what I am not seeing with the regular release? I often wonder what would have happened if she hadn't stayed with The Mac. We will never know! ;)

[strandinthewind]

No never saw the outtakes! Can you describe what I am not seeing with regular release? I often wonder what would have happened if she hadn't stayed with The Mac. We will never know! ;)

I do not have them. Essentially, it is just more of the same working on the songs in the studio, though if I remember correctly, there are other scenes. Someone may have them and post them though. I wish I did.

[Nicksluvver]

Yes. Chris is a major biotch to Stevie.

Wow, I never saw that ! I can't imagine Chris being that way to her :distress:.

[strandinthewind]

Wow, I never saw that ! I can't imagine Chris saying that to her :distress:.

Stevie is sort of floating around being airy fairy and Chris is just over it :laugh:

[Nicksluvver]

Not weird. Cute is the word we are looking for here. Cute. :xoxo:

I never saw it that way, but thats just my opinion. The way they are to each other from The Dance up until Soundstage is the way I love to see them, their joy to be onstage together doing what they love to do, the way they started out as Buckingham Nicks. :thumbsup:

[Mad4stevie]

The Tusk Outtakes are cool - especially the part after Angel when LB turns his back to Stevie when she is talking about her harmonies for that song - Stevie makes fun of him behind his back - its GRRRRRRREEEAT!!!! I wish I could post it for download, but have no idea how to do that.

The Tango era issue was set out in Mick's book as well as a magazine article that came out around the time SYW was released. Supposedly, after LB announced that he was leaving the band, Stevie freaked out and started yelling at him, which caused him to yell back at her (something like "get that schizophrenic bitch away from me!!"). Stevie chased him outside and he slapped her and pushed her backward over the hood of a car. I don't remember what happened after that.

[gldstwmn]

Wow, I so don't think that. I think it's the total opposite :shrug: They look really happy there and having a blast!

Me too. It's a really nice moment between them.

[Mad4stevie]

I do not have them. Essentially, it is just more of the same working on the songs in the studio, though if I remember correctly, there are other scenes. Someone may have them and post them though. I wish I did.

I do have the outtakes on a dvd (thanks again to Brian) - but I don't know how to rip it and post it online.

The scene of Stevie making fun of Lindsey behind his back is truly priceless! :thumbsup: LOVE IT!!

[danax6]

Well, here it is with the recording sessions for Angel (I don't have the entire doc, if someone does, I would *love* to finally see it).

http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ERDTOJM0J2E92975YW4FMFY4E

[bikerchic]

Me too. It's a really nice moment between them.
:nod: The way she keeps looking back at him, smiling with glee. A very special moment indeed.

[David]

I never saw it that way, but thats just my opinion. The way they are to each other from The Dance up until Soundstage is the way I love to see them, their joy to be onstage together doing what they love to do, the way they started out as Buckingham Nicks. :thumbsup:Except for when he starts butting into her abdomen with his head, obviously trying to knock her over. He has a lot of unresolved anger. I hate to see them during the Say You Will tour with all that anger. I can't even watch the "Tusk" performance from "Live in Boston" because that's so brutal to me. What if he gave her a concussion? Then what? I bet that would make him sorry, & Mick & John would break his fingers if he ever did that.

[catinthedark]

No person I know of has ever come forward. But, it was in like New Zealand in like 1979 or 1980 - so the odds of someone reporting it are remote. So, take Mick's report for what you think it is worth. Also, a little research on this board will reveal previous threads on this issue if you are interested.

Didn't Lindsey once own up to the kick on stage? I remember hearing an interview with him where he didn't deny it - he was asked about it, and he said, yeah, it's possible I was little intoxicated and went a little too far. Wasn't it during the show where he pulled his shirt up over his head and mimicked Stevie with her shawls and stuff and danced around the stage making fun of her? The show where Chris and Stevie ran off stage after him at the end, and Chris threw her wine in his face and screamed at him never to do anything like that to the band again? Awful meanness. Amazing that those two have any kind of friendship today.

Am I making all this up? Or mixing up two different stories?

[strandinthewind]

Didn't Lindsey once own up to the kick on stage? I remember hearing an interview with him where he didn't deny it - he was asked about it, and he said, yeah, it's possible I was little intoxicated and went a little too far. Wasn't it during the show where he pulled his shirt up over his head and mimicked Stevie with her shawls and stuff and danced around the stage making fun of her? The show where Chris and Stevie ran off stage after him at the end, and Chris threw her wine in his face and screamed at him never to do anything like that to the band again? Awful meanness. Amazing that those two have any kind of friendship today.

Am I making all this up? Or mixing up two different stories?

LOL - it is all melding together in my mind after all these years :laugh: But, yes, I think remember that too.

[catinthedark]

LOL - it is all melding together in my mind after all these years :laugh:

OMG - I'm so glad it's not just me!!! :laugh: :laugh:

[rbs3676]

Didn't Lindsey once own up to the kick on stage? I remember hearing an interview with him where he didn't deny it - he was asked about it, and he said, yeah, it's possible I was little intoxicated and went a little too far. Wasn't it during the show where he pulled his shirt up over his head and mimicked Stevie with her shawls and stuff and danced around the stage making fun of her? The show where Chris and Stevie ran off stage after him at the end, and Chris threw her wine in his face and screamed at him never to do anything like that to the band again? Awful meanness. Amazing that those two have any kind of friendship today.

Am I making all this up? Or mixing up two different stories?


You aren't making it up. That's the story that Christine relayed...wish I could give you the exact source, but I remember this interview as well.

rbs

[AliP]

Didn't Lindsey once own up to the kick on stage? I remember hearing an interview with him where he didn't deny it - he was asked about it, and he said, yeah, it's possible I was little intoxicated and went a little too far.

Yes, you are correct. Lindsey did not deny it. Here is the quote from Lindsey.

Mojo Magazine 12/03
"Oh, I wouldn’t doubt that I mimicked Stevie on-stage. And kicked her? That could have happened too."



Wasn't it during the show where he pulled his shirt up over his head and mimicked Stevie with her shawls and stuff and danced around the stage making fun of her? The show where Chris and Stevie ran off stage after him at the end, and Chris threw her wine in his face and screamed at him never to do anything like that to the band again? Awful meanness. Amazing that those two have any kind of friendship today.


Here is the quote from Chris regarding the incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey acted up on stage)"I think he's the only person I ever, ever slapped. I actually might have chucked a glass of wine, too. I just didn't think it was the way to treat a paying audience. I mean, aside from making a mockery of Stevie like that. Really unprofessional, over the top. Yes, she (Stevie) cried. She cried a lot."


Here is the quote from Stevie regarding the kicking incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey overreacted at a concert)"Lindsey was angry...just mad at me. That wasn't a one time thing. Lindsey and I had another huge thing that happened onstage in New Zealand. We had some kind of a fight, and he came over, might have kicked me, did something to me, and we stopped the show. He went off, and we all ran at breakneck speed back to the dressing room to see who could kill him first. Christine got to him fist, and then I got to him second... the bodyguards were trying to get in the middle of all of us."

[Moony]

Yes. Chris is a major biotch to Stevie.
It's because Christine is jealous of Stevie.

[sparky]

I saw some outtakes of the Tusk documentary at a video storage place in Hollywood about 6 years ago. It took years to track them down and of course I couldn't get copies. I just happened to finally work with the right people once and asked a lot of questions about the storage. There was some suspicious stuff in there. An awesome video of Rhiannon that I would KILL to get a copy of. I never looked at the members of the band the same way again. That's for sure.

[Neal]

It's because Christine is jealous of Stevie.

the same way youre jealous of me... :cool:

[bikerchic]

It's because Christine is jealous of Stevie.
Dare ya to say that on the Christine board :laugh: I did once and was almost banned from the board :nod:

[Raeven Skye]

I've heard those same stories too about the kicking and mimicking...and Stevie does say a few time about how they'd "kill each other" if left together too long...so...there's a lot of ...something...there!

[reebokandlace]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

Lori/Stevie relationship: I am not going there....(see my previous dream thread)

[Stephanie]

Was Lori still married to her 1st husband when she met Chris?

[catinthedark]

Yes, you are correct. Lindsey did not deny it. Here is the quote from Lindsey.

Mojo Magazine 12/03
"Oh, I wouldn’t doubt that I mimicked Stevie on-stage. And kicked her? That could have happened too."





Here is the quote from Chris regarding the incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey acted up on stage)"I think he's the only person I ever, ever slapped. I actually might have chucked a glass of wine, too. I just didn't think it was the way to treat a paying audience. I mean, aside from making a mockery of Stevie like that. Really unprofessional, over the top. Yes, she (Stevie) cried. She cried a lot."


Here is the quote from Stevie regarding the kicking incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey overreacted at a concert)"Lindsey was angry...just mad at me. That wasn't a one time thing. Lindsey and I had another huge thing that happened onstage in New Zealand. We had some kind of a fight, and he came over, might have kicked me, did something to me, and we stopped the show. He went off, and we all ran at breakneck speed back to the dressing room to see who could kill him first. Christine got to him fist, and then I got to him second... the bodyguards were trying to get in the middle of all of us."

Thanks for pulling out all the quotes! You're clearly far more organized than I. :xoxo: Glad to see my memory isn't as cloudy as I feared...

[chiliD]

Was Lori still married to her 1st husband when she met Chris?

Oh probably. "Fidelity" isn't/wasn't a real high priority in the Fleetwood Mac circle.

[gldstwmn]

I saw some outtakes of the Tusk documentary at a video storage place in Hollywood about 6 years ago. It took years to track them down and of course I couldn't get copies. I just happened to finally work with the right people once and asked a lot of questions about the storage. There was some suspicious stuff in there. An awesome video of Rhiannon that I would KILL to get a copy of. I never looked at the members of the band the same way again. That's for sure.

What scraps I've seen are very telling. :nod:

[David]

Was Lori still married to her 1st husband when she met Chris?Chris knew Lori's previous husband very well. Everybody in the Fleetwood Mac organization did, in fact.

[David]

I saw some outtakes of the Tusk documentary at a video storage place in Hollywood about 6 years ago. It took years to track them down and of course I couldn't get copies. I just happened to finally work with the right people once and asked a lot of questions about the storage. There was some suspicious stuff in there. An awesome video of Rhiannon that I would KILL to get a copy of. I never looked at the members of the band the same way again. That's for sure.Rhiannon from the Tusk Tour?! Why didn't you grab it?

The outtakes I know about all came from you-know-where, but I don't think they included a Rhiannon, just a bunch of stuff at the mixing board, like recording "Sara."

[danax6]

Except for when he starts butting into her abdomen with his head, obviously trying to knock her over. He has a lot of unresolved anger. I hate to see them during the Say You Will tour with all that anger. I can't even watch the "Tusk" performance from "Live in Boston" because that's so brutal to me. What if he gave her a concussion? Then what? I bet that would make him sorry, & Mick & John would break his fingers if he ever did that.You're kidding, right?

I didn't see any anger whatsoever on the LiB DVD. What part are you referring to? They seemed more playful than anything, especially in the (although scripted) Tusk 'dance'. Or are you talking about the guitar power chord he throws away like a lasso before running over to Stevie? That certainly didn't look like a smart thing to do, but I don't think there was any bad intention there though. :shrug:

[DavidMn]

Yes, you are correct. Lindsey did not deny it. Here is the quote from Lindsey.

Mojo Magazine 12/03
"Oh, I wouldn’t doubt that I mimicked Stevie on-stage. And kicked her? That could have happened too."





Here is the quote from Chris regarding the incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey acted up on stage)"I think he's the only person I ever, ever slapped. I actually might have chucked a glass of wine, too. I just didn't think it was the way to treat a paying audience. I mean, aside from making a mockery of Stevie like that. Really unprofessional, over the top. Yes, she (Stevie) cried. She cried a lot."


Here is the quote from Stevie regarding the kicking incident.

Rolling Stone-October 30, 1997
(about an incident where Lindsey overreacted at a concert)"Lindsey was angry...just mad at me. That wasn't a one time thing. Lindsey and I had another huge thing that happened onstage in New Zealand. We had some kind of a fight, and he came over, might have kicked me, did something to me, and we stopped the show. He went off, and we all ran at breakneck speed back to the dressing room to see who could kill him first. Christine got to him fist, and then I got to him second... the bodyguards were trying to get in the middle of all of us." Yeah, Christine really whupped Lindsey's butt aht night. nd rightfully so in my opinion. SHe wasnt gonna stand for any BS from him or whoever that would affect their performance.

[David]

You're kidding, right?

I didn't see any anger whatsoever on the LiB DVD. What part are you referring to? They seemed more playful than anything, especially in the (although scripted) Tusk 'dance'. Or are you talking about the guitar power chord he throws away like a lasso before running over to Stevie? That certainly didn't look like a smart thing to do, but I don't think there was any bad intention there though. :shrug:Sarcasm meter, danax, sarcasm meter -- activate yours!! I was being sarcastic about Nicksluver's view that the live "Angel" from St. Louis revealed LB/SN hostility (or whatever) -- a view that would make a sane person sit up, blink once or twice & then just run with it . . . which is what I did.

As for something some of you guys see in a brief moment of Lindsey's guitar-playing, all I can say is, Haven't you ever seen Lindsey Buckingham play the guitar before? He SLAPS his puppy. If you interpret his every last slap to be an expression of hostility toward his old girlfriend, it's going to be a busy night for you!

Some of you guys could read high drama & interpersonal conflict in a stop sign.

[DavidMn]

Sarcasm meter, danax, sarcasm meter -- activate yours!! I was being sarcastic about Nicksluver's view that the live "Angel" from St. Louis revealed LB/SN hostility (or whatever) -- a view that would make a sane person sit up, blink once or twice & then just run with it . . . which is what I did.

As for something some of you guys see in a brief moment of Lindsey's guitar-playing, all I can say is, Haven't you ever seen Lindsey Buckingham play the guitar before?

Some of you guys could read high drama & interpersonal conflict in a stop sign.Give me your shit?!?!?!:lol: :lol: :lol:

[David]

Yeah, Christine really whupped Lindsey's butt aht night. nd rightfully so in my opinion. SHe wasnt gonna stand for any BS from him or whoever that would affect their performance.Or anything that would have made a show a one-of-a-kind classic event, which is what that little drinking binge must have done for that New Zealand show (which by the way to most of you who can't find your Mick Fleetwood books OR your tour itineraries in your "Fleetwood Mac Live" album, was March 1980).

What I would pay to have seen that show . . . . with Lindsey playing "Marching Through Georgia" during "Rhiannon" & pulling his jacket up over his head in his own witch dance, Stevie looking around confusedly, & the rest of the band having flashbacks to the old Danny Kirwan days.

That show should be on film somewhere, in a time capsule.

[David]

Give me your shit?!?!?!:lol: :lol: :lol:Sure, dude! Stevie collects our shit every show! And then she takes it to the Salvation Army. And then the wacky fans go buy it back from Salvation Army, & then take it to the NEXT Stevie Nicks show!! It's the holiday fruitcake syndrome in the Stevie Nicks world.

[strandinthewind]

Or anything that would have made a show a one-of-a-kind classic event, which is what that little drinking binge must have done for that New Zealand show (which by the way to most of you who can't find your Mick Fleetwood books OR your tour itineraries in your "Fleetwood Mac Live" album, was March 1980).

What I would pay to have seen that show . . . . with Lindsey playing "Marching Through Georgia" during "Rhiannon" & pulling his jacket up over his head in his own witch dance, Stevie looking around confusedly, & the rest of the band having flashbacks to the old Danny Kirwan days.

That show should be on film somewhere, in a time capsule.

Amen - only La Nicks was probably thinking - look at all the amazingly bright colors all running together :laugh:

[DavidMn]

Sure, dude! Stevie collects our shit every show! And then she takes it to the Salvation Army. And then the wacky fans go buy it back from Salvation Army, & then take it to the NEXT Stevie Nicks show!! It's the holiday fruitcake syndrome in the Stevie Nicks world.I just like the way you put that on there. I would laugh so hard if she actually said that to someone at a show.:lol:

[danax6]

Sarcasm meter, danax, sarcasm meter -- activate yours!! I was being sarcastic about Nicksluver's view that the live "Angel" from St. Louis revealed LB/SN hostility (or whatever) -- a view that would make a sane person sit up, blink once or twice & then just run with it . . . which is what I did.
That's why I asked if you were kidding, I could hardly believe it. :xoxo:

[Ghost_Tracker]

1. What relation is Lori Nicks to Stevie?

2. I was told that some time ago, Lindsay in anger, actually hit or pushed Stevie during a performance. Is this true?:shocked: Tell me this ain't so...


1). Chris Nicks, who is Stevie's "kid brother," fell in love with and
married Stevie's backup singer, Lori Perry ( no relation to Steve
Perry, I'm told ). They got married and so Lori is Stevie's sister-
in-law as well as being one of her best friends. They all live
together in a blissful state of Shangri-la in Phoenix, and life is wonderful.

2). Uh-oh. Yeah, okay, you've discovered one of the two H-bombs
in Nicksville. There's an interview easily available on Nicksfix where
Stevie actually took part of the blame for the "altercation" that
apparently - yeah - did occur. The surface issue seemed to
be that Lindsey backed out of touring at the last moment and
"left them in the lurch." "A Great Hue and Cry" ensued, and MY
does Mick have a talent for understatement! :rolleyes:
I'm not sure if Lindsey admits to any of that, but in an interview I
saw (at a site I found through his own official website, conspicuosly
easily...) he said that "I honestly don't remember - but it wouldn't
surprise me." (That was specifically about the incident on stage -
the story I've heard several times is that he got really drunk and
started mocking her on stage, and also was playing everything on
his guitar except the right song at the right time.) Then - yeah,
supposedly he went over to her and started kicking her - I don't
think it was hard, though, more like, kinda taunting her. Not that
that's much better, of course. Reportedly afterward Christine McVie
threw her drink in his face and slapped him and yelled "Don't you EVER
do that to this band again!!!" (The other version that I heard,
frankly, is that Stevie and Christine beat the snot out of him...)
Anyway - who's to say - literally even THEY don't remember.
And I think they consider it to be water under the bridge and stuff
that happened a long, long time ago before they got off of the drugs.
And so Stevie and Lindsey are all lovey-dovey and the best of friends
and they lived happily ever after. The End. :lol: :shocked: :)

And yet - isn't a picture worth 1000 words?

[DavidMn]

1). Chris Nicks, who is Stevie's "kid brother," fell in love with and
married Stevie's backup singer, Lori Perry ( no relation to Steve
Perry, I'm told ). They got married and so Lori is Stevie's sister-
in-law as well as being one of her best friends. They all live
together in a blissful state of Shangri-la in Phoenix, and life is wonderful.

2). Uh-oh. Yeah, okay, you've discovered one of the two H-bombs
in Nicksville. There's an interview easily available on Nicksfix where
Stevie actually took part of the blame for the "altercation" that
apparently - yeah did occur. The surface issue seemed to
be that Lindsey backed out of touring at the last moment and
"left them in the lurch." "A Great Hue and Cry" ensued, and MY
does Mick have a talent for understatement! :rolleyes:
I'm not sure if Lindsey admits to any of that, but in an interview I
saw (at a site I found through his own official website, conspicuosly
easily...) he said that "I honestly don't remember - but it wouldn't
surprise me." (That was specifically about the incident on stage -
the story I've heard several times is that he got really drunk and
started mocking her on stage, and also was playing everything on
his guitar except the right song at the right time.) Then - yeah,
supposedly he went over to her and started kicking her - I don't
think it was hard, though, more like, kinda taunting her. Not that
that's much better, of course. Reportedly afterward Christine McVie
threw her drink in his face and slapped him and yelled "Don't you EVER
do that to this band again!!!" (The other version that I heard,
frankly, is that Stevie and Christine beat the snot out of him...)
Anyway - who's to say - literally even THEY don't remember.
And I think they consider it to be water under the bridge and stuff
that happened a long, long time ago before they got off of the drugs.
And so Stevie and Lindsey are all lovey-dovey and the best of friends
and they lived happily ever after. The End. :lol: :shocked: :)

And yet - isn't a picture worth 1000 words?Very well said.:thumbsup:

[Ghost_Tracker]

What I hear about the LB incidents is what has been said so far, he threw her against a car and was grabbing her arms tightly and cursing at her, and that he kicked her onstage during a concert (not sure if these things are true) and didn't they talk about the fact the he was making fun of her and her dance moves on the Tusk tour, to the point that he had her in tears and Chris went after him and told him to quit it? I remember seeing FM talk about this somewhere...............It is clear in the Angel concert part of the Tusk documentary that he is busting her chops, Stevie looks over at him when he grabs onto her out of nowhere to sing with her in the mike and after he walks away like :eek: , what the heck are you doing, weirdo!


Maybe I misinterpreted that but I really received the impression
that Stevie wasn't exactly bothered by it. But actually I've started
to suspect that the things they have going on, onstage these days,
were already starting in a simpler, less-developed way even back then.
They're instictive performers, more than anything,
and they both live for The Show....

[Ghost_Tracker]

Very well said.:thumbsup:
"Remember when we were angels, before we stole cars and when sex and drugs lived up in another world-Stereophonics

I'm Ron Burgundy, You stay classy San Diego.. "

Thank you! :)
Uh - does this mean I can have my CAR back? yuk-yuk! :laugh:

[Jessica Leigh]

Yea Yea Stevie we get it - Angels - yea yea :eek:

i wasn't sure which vid you guys were talking about... is this the one where stevie's talking about angels in the background and chris goes (totally sarcastically) "Angels in theee, uh, background." so mean, but so funny. and stevie describes something as being "mills brother-ish" and lindsey makes some a$$hole remarks and stevie twirls her index finger next to her head as if to say he's crazy? i freaking love that video!!!

[ontheEdgeof17]

i wasn't sure which vid you guys were talking about... is this the one where stevie's talking about angels in the background and chris goes (totally sarcastically) "Angels in theee, uh, background." so mean, but so funny. and stevie describes something as being "mills brother-ish" and lindsey makes some a$$hole remarks and stevie twirls her index finger next to her head as if to say he's crazy? i freaking love that video!!!


Yup. That is the Tusk Outtakes video. :nod:

[strandinthewind]

i wasn't sure which vid you guys were talking about... is this the one where stevie's talking about angels in the background and chris goes (totally sarcastically) "Angels in theee, uh, background." so mean, but so funny. and stevie describes something as being "mills brother-ish" and lindsey makes some a$$hole remarks and stevie twirls her index finger next to her head as if to say he's crazy? i freaking love that video!!!

that's the one :laugh:

[Jessica Leigh]

1). Chris Nicks, who is Stevie's "kid brother," fell in love with and
married Stevie's backup singer, Lori Perry ( no relation to Steve
Perry, I'm told ).


Perry isn't HER name... it's her first husband's last name... Gordon Perry... she just didn't go back to her maiden name after they divorced and before she married Chris.

[sparky]

Rhiannon from the Tusk Tour?! Why didn't you grab it?

The outtakes I know about all came from you-know-where, but I don't think they included a Rhiannon, just a bunch of stuff at the mixing board, like recording "Sara."


I didn't really know the guy who was there very well. In fact, I had no real business being there and he knew it. I tried to buddy up with him, but he wasn't having any of it. He just pulled out some of these big assed old tapes and played them for me. He never left the room. Of course I pushed dubbing copies onto the agenda. He didn't bite.
The place isn't there anymore, and it wouldn't surprise me if the outtakes were lost in the fray somewhere.

[snowman]

1). Chris Nicks, who is Stevie's "kid brother," fell in love with and
married Stevie's backup singer, Lori Perry ( no relation to Steve
Perry, I'm told ). They got married and so Lori is Stevie's sister-
in-law as well as being one of her best friends. They all live
together in a blissful state of Shangri-la in Phoenix, and life is wonderful.

2). Uh-oh. Yeah, okay, you've discovered one of the two H-bombs
in Nicksville. There's an interview easily available on Nicksfix where
Stevie actually took part of the blame for the "altercation" that
apparently - yeah - did occur. The surface issue seemed to
be that Lindsey backed out of touring at the last moment and
"left them in the lurch." "A Great Hue and Cry" ensued, and MY
does Mick have a talent for understatement! :rolleyes:
I'm not sure if Lindsey admits to any of that, but in an interview I
saw (at a site I found through his own official website, conspicuosly
easily...) he said that "I honestly don't remember - but it wouldn't
surprise me." (That was specifically about the incident on stage -
the story I've heard several times is that he got really drunk and
started mocking her on stage, and also was playing everything on
his guitar except the right song at the right time.) Then - yeah,
supposedly he went over to her and started kicking her - I don't
think it was hard, though, more like, kinda taunting her. Not that
that's much better, of course. Reportedly afterward Christine McVie
threw her drink in his face and slapped him and yelled "Don't you EVER
do that to this band again!!!" (The other version that I heard,
frankly, is that Stevie and Christine beat the snot out of him...)
Anyway - who's to say - literally even THEY don't remember.
And I think they consider it to be water under the bridge and stuff
that happened a long, long time ago before they got off of the drugs.
And so Stevie and Lindsey are all lovey-dovey and the best of friends
and they lived happily ever after. The End. :lol: :shocked: :)

And yet - isn't a picture worth 1000 words?

so what's the other Hbomb?

[gldstwmn]

i wasn't sure which vid you guys were talking about... is this the one where stevie's talking about angels in the background and chris goes (totally sarcastically) "Angels in theee, uh, background." so mean, but so funny. and stevie describes something as being "mills brother-ish" and lindsey makes some a$$hole remarks and stevie twirls her index finger next to her head as if to say he's crazy? i freaking love that video!!!

That's the one. :nod:

[Moony]

Dare ya to say that on the Christine board :laugh: I did once and was almost banned from the board :nod:
Haha, I meant it to be tounge-in-cheek, but I wouldn't be afraid to say it over there. Perhaps I shall.

[GypsySongbird]

Haha, I meant it to be tounge-in-cheek, but I wouldn't be afraid to say it over there. Perhaps I shall.

i wouldnt bother. thats the absolute most ignorant remark anyone could come up with. even if it was toungue in cheek, christine has absolutely no reason to be jealous of stevie! - and thats coming from a major stevie fan!

[strandinthewind]

i wouldnt bother. thats the absolute most ignorent remark anyone could come up with. even if it was toungue in cheek, christine has absolutely no reason to be jealous of stevie! - and thats coming from a major stevie fan!

Well, Stevie says that she was not, but would have had reason to be as Stevie took the center stage, which CM willingly gave to her. Also, clearly La Nicks was the most recognizeable member, etc. This does not mean she was more talented or better than CM, just more popular, which often is a cause for jealousy in many. So, I think there might have been some initial resentment becuase CM is only human. But, I think they all got over it and Stevie and CM truly are very good friends to this day even though they apparently are not in contact with each other too much. In many ways, I think that lack of contact is a mutual respectful thing in that FM toured for like two years and CM wanted no part of that world. Anyway, my $0.02.

[gldstwmn]

i wouldnt bother. thats the absolute most ignorant remark anyone could come up with. even if it was toungue in cheek, christine has absolutely no reason to be jealous of stevie! - and thats coming from a major stevie fan!

Didn't Chris actually admit it recently in some print interview somewhere? :confused:

[Ghost_Tracker]

You're kidding, right?

I didn't see any anger whatsoever on the LiB DVD. What part are you referring to? They seemed more playful than anything, especially in the (although scripted) Tusk 'dance'. Or are you talking about the guitar power chord he throws away like a lasso before running over to Stevie? That certainly didn't look like a smart thing to do, but I don't think there was any bad intention there though. :shrug:

That's all scripted and rehearsed.
If you watch closely, Lindsey is very obviously
being extremely careful with both the
microphone and the guitar so that he doesn't
hit anyone with them. By the way I've asked
around and yes, the show was pretty much exactly
the same each time. I believe the brains behind
the whole thing was Joe Thomas, although they
certainly know what to do, in general, by now.
Believe it or not, I think the song that's ACTUALLY
most emotional for Stevie is "So Afraid."
That's hard-core F.M. from back in the day,
and even from before, in their "Fritz" days.
Could be my imagination but I think Stevie's wiping
away tears during it in "The Dance," and I felt she
seemed a LITTLE emotional there during LiB.
If I had to pick a place where Lindsey was
showing anger I would guess "Big Love" but
it was certainly nothing out of control -
just "reliving the memories," as they always do.
Anyway if you'll excuse me I need to go get
my Sarcasm Meter tuned up. :rolleyes:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Sure, dude! Stevie collects our shit every show! And then she takes it to the Salvation Army. And then the wacky fans go buy it back from Salvation Army, & then take it to the NEXT Stevie Nicks show!! .


DO they REALLY!!!???
I did NOT know that! SHEESH! :rolleyes:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Yes. Chris is a major biotch to Stevie.


Maybe this is naive but I really do feel that they eventually got to
be good friends. I think maybe Chris's main problem was that before
things really took off, she felt that Stevie's songs were "simple" and
therefore would never sell. (Few chords = no sales, in her mind,
somehow...) Apparently it was actually Lindsey who stuck up for
her and basically said "trust us - I can work in the studio and turn it
into gold." But it's somehow easy to picture Chris not-really-Perfect
feeling jealous and feeling that this "upstart" was trying to march in
and take over the band on her, especially when Lindsey is the one
they had wanted to hire. Now throw hard liquor and serious drugs
in to the mix, with 5 type-A personalities and sudden, unexpected
wealth and fame. Yeah THAT was a good idea! :rolleyes:

[David]

Also, clearly La Nicks was the most recognizeable member, etc. This does not mean she was more talented or better than CM, just more popular, which often is a cause for jealousy in many. So, I think there might have been some initial resentment becuase CM is only human.Britney Spears is more popular than I am. But I'm not jealous of her. In fact, I basically just think of her as a big ditz.

As far as center stage, Chris really had no choice but to cede to Stevie. What do you guys think Chris was going to do? stomp around in front wearing one of these?
http://www.korgmidwest.com/images/products/korg/microkorg_gig_bag/3.jpg

[strandinthewind]

Britney Spears is more popular than I am. But I'm not jealous of her. In fact, I basically just think of her as a big ditz.

As far as center stage, Chris really had no choice but to cede to Stevie. What do you guys think Chris was going to do? stomp around in front wearing one of these?
http://www.korgmidwest.com/images/products/korg/microkorg_gig_bag/3.jpg

True - but Brit. Spears is not usurping your light in any way as La Nicks did with CM. I think there was a little jealousy or resentment as there would be with any human being in such a situation. But, I think they got over it.

and - LOL she whould have done that and worn lederhosen :cool:

[Ghost_Tracker]

Perry isn't HER name... it's her first husband's last name... Gordon Perry... she just didn't go back to her maiden name after they divorced and before she married Chris.


Oh OKAY THANKS i've been WONDERING about this! :)

[Ghost_Tracker]

so what's the other Hbomb?



Uhmmm . . . . Stevie once said "DRAT" in church!
;) to those who know it and SHHHHHH!
It's ancient history - let's leave it be.

[Ghost_Tracker]

Britney Spears is more popular than I am. But I'm not jealous of her. In fact, I basically just think of her as a big ditz.

As far as center stage, Chris really had no choice but to cede to Stevie. What do you guys think Chris was going to do? stomp around in front wearing one of these?
http://www.korgmidwest.com/images/products/korg/microkorg_gig_bag/3.jpg

Uhhh, that was apparently the PLAN, yes! :rolleyes:
I really remember Stevie being much different back then,
although I was just a kid at the time. But from what I've
been able to make out and things she's said in interviews,
she was a lot more diminuitive and even a little shy, at
least at times. Although still ambitious just the same, I bet.
So I could easily imagine Christine feeling this "kid" was
acting like a bit of an "upstart" and so forth - especially
after Christine had "taken her under her wing."
Don't forget that Christine M. went to what is basically
London's equivalent of Juiliard, and if I remember right
her Dad works somehow with a symphony - she knows her stuff.
And remember - add hard drugs, sex, sudden wealth and fame,
and hard liquor and partying in to the mix.
Truth be told, this thing wrote itself, i m o,
including all the jealousies that arose.
By the way believe it or not Britney Spears (i.m.o.) is a freaking genius.
But at least from one point of view (which Stevie might have agreed with
back in the seventies, at least more so than the less-hungry Chris M.),
why write Quality Stuff when you can literally make a BILLION dollars???
Not a billionaire?
Dude - she's gonna be.

"The little f***** with the earring and the makeup
Yeah, buddy, that's his own hair
That little f***** got his own jet airplane
That little f***** he's a millionaire."

( No offense intended against gay persons - I'm only trying to make the point that -
these guys and girls ain't dumb. Including Chris McVie, who felt she knew her s**t. )

Is it possible that you're a little . . . . jealous of Britney Spears??? (yuk-yuk!) . . . . :lol:

[David]

Don't forget that Christine M. went to what is basically London's equivalent of Juiliard, and if I remember rightYou don't, apparently.

Christine went to art college & got some sort of degree in sculpture. It had nothing to do with music. Chris's classical training was probably just like every other kid's classical training: regular lessons with a traditional-minded teacher using method books like Schaum or Thompson to give the kid a familiarity with the canon composers (Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, etc.) as well as on notation & foundational theory.

It's no big deal, really. Millions of piano students have had classical training. I had classical training. It doesn't make you Alfred Brendel. But it's like that expression "classical training" has some sort of magical conjuring power to the general public.

My point about Chris ceding center stage to Stevie was a simple, obvious one: Chris is standing behind several keyboards throughout the show, whereas Stevie is right up front with nothing obstructing the view of her. Chris being non-dynamic didn't have anything to do with Stevie being there -- it was just her personality & the logistics of her situation.

[GypsySorcerer]

Well, Stevie says that she was not, but would have had reason to be as Stevie took the center stage, which CM willingly gave to her. Also, clearly La Nicks was the most recognizeable member, etc. This does not mean she was more talented or better than CM, just more popular, which often is a cause for jealousy in many. So, I think there might have been some initial resentment becuase CM is only human. But, I think they all got over it and Stevie and CM truly are very good friends to this day even though they apparently are not in contact with each other too much. In many ways, I think that lack of contact is a mutual respectful thing in that FM toured for like two years and CM wanted no part of that world. Anyway, my $0.02.
Agreed. I think Chris and Stevie genuinely like(d) each other. I do not know if jealousy was an issue; rather, I just think they are night and day. You can tell when Chris looked at Stevie like "WTF?" And really, haven't we all done that? :laugh:

[Ghost_Tracker]

You don't, apparently.

Christine went to art college & got some sort of degree in sculpture. It had nothing to do with music. Chris's classical training was probably just like every other kid's classical training: .


Could it be that her Mom or Dad taught at that sort of a place???

[AliP]

i wouldnt bother. thats the absolute most ignorant remark anyone could come up with. even if it was toungue in cheek, christine has absolutely no reason to be jealous of stevie! - and thats coming from a major stevie fan!

Well, Chris has admitted she was jealous of Stevie. Who cares, though, really?? I would think something was wrong with both of them if they didn't have a little bit of jealousy going back and forth.. It's just a normal human reaction.

Undedited Interview with Laura Gross - 1987
Christine: (About Stevie)“We are so totally different onstage and off. I would be totally ill at ease prancing around with a top hat and a gossamer shawl and Stevie would probably feel uncomfortable stuck behind a piano all night, although maybe she wouldn’t. But that’s my role and I enjoy my role. I think I did get a little jealous of the limelight, the attention she was getting for awhile back then, but that sorted itself out. We’re not competitive anymore.”

[David]

Are we even sure that Chris knows Stevie ......??

[catinthedark]

Are we even sure that Chris knows Stevie ......??

OhmyGod. The first thing that's made me laugh tonight. :xoxo: