Fleetwood Mac 40 Years Tour

[UnwindedDreams]

Since there is so much gossip going around about a 40 years Mac tour what do the ledgies think? will it happen? will it not happen? what year will it happen? will there be new material? what will be the setlist? :shrug:

[skcin]

Not sure what I think about this. I was thinking they would tour in 2007, to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Rumours. But I think they'd want Chris & I don't know if that will ever happen again. Then I heard that things are being set up for a tour in summer of 2006, so I don't know what to think anymore. :shrug:

[chiliD]

Since there is so much gossip going around about a 40 years Mac tour what do the ledgies think? will it happen? will it not happen? what year will it happen? will there be new material? what will be the setlist? :shrug:


Check out Bob Welch's message board for Bob's own views on it:

Bob Welch's Official Website (http://www.bobwelch.com)

[UnwindedDreams]

Check out Bob Welch's message board for Bob's own views on it:

Bob Welch's Official Website (http://www.bobwelch.com) Where do I go to look for it? meaning where do I find it? Under his picture?

[Rickypt]

I can't imagine any kind of anniversary or farewell tour without Christine.

[ELIUD]

Since there is so much gossip going around about a 40 years Mac tour what do the ledgies think? will it happen? will it not happen? what year will it happen? will there be new material? what will be the setlist? :shrug:
I haven't heard or read a word about such a thing. But it they were going to recognize the 40th anniversary of the band with a tour, I guess they could include members who were there before Stevie and Lindsey and therefore change up the setlist. I'm not sure I'd care to listen to any of it though.

And as for a tour honoring the 30th anniversary of Rumours, I think they've already commemorated this album to the point of exhaustion. It's time to release Buckingham Nicks on CD with new material and tour with it.

[UnwindedDreams]

There probably will not be any new material which makes the setlist short I guess it will look like this:
The Chain
Dreams
Eyes of the World or IKINW
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
Rhiannon
Gypsy or Sara
Big Love
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
I'm So Afraid
Silver Springs
Tusk
Stand Back
Go Your Own Way
encore(s)
World Turning
Don't Stop

I'd like to see Christine come out at least for Don't Stop.

[Serrart]

I don't like commemorative tours or albums, especially if there isn't new material included, I find them too melancholic. But if there is a chance to bring back Christine, I hope they'll go on with the idea.

Romy

[LiquidBlue5000]

I don't like commemorative tours or albums, especially if there isn't new material included, I find them too melancholic. But if there is a chance to bring back Christine, I hope they'll go on with the idea.

Romy

Christine has been retired from Fleetwood Mac for over 7 1/2 years... i doubt very highly she will return for even 1 show, let alone an entire tour..

[Serrart]

Christine has been retired from Fleetwood Mac for over 7 1/2 years... i doubt very highly she will return for even 1 show, let alone an entire tour..

I know you're right Brian, but it's nice to dream. :)

Romy

[chiliD]

Where do I go to look for it? meaning where do I find it? Under his picture?


Click on his picture...then click on "Message Board". The weird thing about Bob's message board is that it is kinda upside-down...the new posts show up at the bottom.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I know you're right Brian, but it's nice to dream. :)

Romy


although... i think if they DO decide to do another album as part of a 40th anniversary thing, that they absolutely should include Christine's work as part of it whether she will tour or not.. i think it was sort of a selfish thing for the band to say no to Christine after she offered participation on "Say You Will".... Just because she refused to tour, doesn't mean she couldn't at least contribute to the project itself.... it seemed as if Lindsey and Stevie wanted as much of their work on there as possible, which imo led to far too many tracks... some of which ("Not Make Believe", etc) were unused...

they could have gotten 3 different CD's out of the whole "Say You Will" experience if they had included Christine's work as well...

[Serrart]

although... i think if they DO decide to do another album as part of a 40th anniversary thing, that they absolutely should include Christine's work as part of it whether she will tour or not.. i think it was sort of a selfish thing for the band to say no to Christine after she offered participation on "Say You Will".... Just because she refused to tour, doesn't mean she couldn't at least contribute to the project itself.... it seemed as if Lindsey and Stevie wanted as much of their work on there as possible, which imo let to far too many tracks... some of which ("Not Make Believe", etc) were unused...

they could have gotten 3 different CD's out of the whole "Say You Will" experience if they had included Christine's work as well...

Honestly, even if it can sound irrational I would have a problem listening live a Christine classic without Christine, I didn't hate Don't stop probably because they changed it a bit, but to do the same with Why, Oh Daddy, Brown Eyes or Little Lies (I doubt they'd dare to touch Songbird) would make everything even more melancholic. About SYW, I would have loved Christine material too, but the 'hit issue' sounded logic. Even if they could have simply decide not to use one of her songs as a single... but what if there was the potential? I'm not sure what was the right thing to do.

Romy

[LiquidBlue5000]

About SYW, I would have loved Christine material too, but the 'hit issue' sounded logic. Even if they could have simply decide not to use one of her songs as a single... but what if there was the potential? I'm not sure what was the right thing to do.

Romy

Well, Christine is still a member of Fleetwood Mac.. the fact that they turned her music away simply because she retired from touring seemed a little disrespectful, imo... i think Christine was maybe a little hurt by that... didn't she say something sassy about "Say You Will" in an interview?? Something to the effect of "not enough keybords" or something like that? ;)

[Serrart]

Well, Christine is still a member of Fleetwood Mac.. the fact that they turned her music away simply because she retired from touring seemed a little disrespectful, imo... i think Christine was maybe a little hurt by that... didn't she say something sassy about "Say You Will" in an interview?? Something to the effect of "not enough keybords" or something like that? ;)

Well, I hope at least it was a mutual decision. By the way, she definitely said something like that... and she was right.

Romy

[UndoingTheLaces]

Well, Christine is still a member of Fleetwood Mac.. the fact that they turned her music away simply because she retired from touring seemed a little disrespectful, imo... i think Christine was maybe a little hurt by that... didn't she say something sassy about "Say You Will" in an interview?? Something to the effect of "not enough keybords" or something like that? ;)

She said it was basically a Buckingham Nicks album with Mick and John on it. Which, actually kind of tickled me a little. You know, hey a new Buckingham Nicks album, cool. LOL!

[Macfanforever]

wow I hope i'm alive by then.
If the Stones can keep touring. so will Fleetwood Mac...

[Rickypt]

She said it was basically a Buckingham Nicks album with Mick and John on it.

I thought it was basically Lindsey and Stevie solo albums mixed in a pot. Which doesn't mean I didn't like it.

I would hope Christine would consider coming out of retirement for a farewell tour.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I thought it was basically Lindsey and Stevie solo albums mixed in a pot. Which doesn't mean I didn't like it.

I would hope Christine would consider coming out of retirement for a farewell tour.


perhaps she will if it's a shortened 3 month tour.... but you just know that it's gonna last for the better part of two years :rolleyes:

[SteveMacD]

For the record, Christine only offered out of a sense of obligation to the band. She gave them her blessing to continue without her. If you read any of her comments since SYW, she seems quite happy to be retired from Fleetwood Mac as a whole. If anybody in the band thought that she really wanted to be on SYW, she would have been on SYW.

[ThePenguin]

Well, Christine is still a member of Fleetwood Mac.. the fact that they turned her music away simply because she retired from touring seemed a little disrespectful, imo... i think Christine was maybe a little hurt by that... didn't she say something sassy about "Say You Will" in an interview?? Something to the effect of "not enough keybords" or something like that? ;)

She said it had too much guitar, I think. Which may be a roundabout way of saying it didb't have enough keyboards. :rolleyes:


Is it a true fact that they actually 'turned her music away' from SYW because she didn't want to tour? I thought Mick said she sort of hemmed and hawed about participating, and then decided not to. I didn't know she had really offered them anything.

-Lis

[LiquidBlue5000]

Is it a true fact that they actually 'turned her music away' from SYW because she didn't want to tour? I thought Mick said she sort of hemmed and hawed about participating, and then decided not to. I didn't know she had really offered them anything.

-Lis


i heard they told her that if she wasn't going to be part of the tour to follow, that they prefered that she didnt be on the album as well... from what i heard, she was more than willing to be a part of recording aspect of it.. perhaps, just perhaps, some of the songs that were used on her solo album were originaly intended for "Say You Will"....

[DavidMn]

There probably will not be any new material which makes the setlist short I guess it will look like this:
The Chain
Dreams
Eyes of the World or IKINW
Second Hand News
Never Going Back Again
Rhiannon
Gypsy or Sara
Big Love
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
I'm So Afraid
Silver Springs
Tusk
Stand Back
Go Your Own Way
encore(s)
World Turning
Don't Stop

I'd like to see Christine come out at least for Don't Stop.
Oh Well needs to be done live again!!!!! that's a must for me.

[DavidMn]

CHristine has nothing to apologize for whatsoever. I'm not making any particular comment on what anyone says, but she gave 25+ years of her life to the band and as much as I love Lindsey, she never walked out of Fleetwood Mac like he did.

[Cour]

CHristine has nothing to apologize for whatsoever. I'm not making any particular comment on what anyone says, but she gave 25+ years of her life to the band and as much as I love Lindsey, she never walked out of Fleetwood Mac like he did.


Was someone asking her to apologize? What does Lindsey leaving FM in 1987 have to do with the discussion of possible 40th reunion tour? Is there are a reason to drag that into this discussion because you didn't elaborate on it and I'm just wondering? I'm having a hard time following certain posts tonight. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

CHristine has nothing to apologize for whatsoever. I'm not making any particular comment on what anyone says, but she gave 25+ years of her life to the band and as much as I love Lindsey, she never walked out of Fleetwood Mac like he did.

I agree. I also think when CM left it was okay with everyone once people got over their shock at her walking away from what certainly would have been a highly lucrative second and or third legs of The Dance. I also think they are friends. I know many do not think this way, but I do :cool:

[SteveMacD]

I agree. I also think when CM left it was okay with everyone once people got over their shock at her walking away from what certainly would have been a highly lucrative second and or third legs of The Dance. I also think they are friends. I know many do not think this way, but I do :cool:
I don't think anybody was surprised. She retired from the road in 1990, eighteen years after she made it known she hated touring on "Homeward Bound." If you listen to her songs on "Time," she was clearly leaving the band all together after that album was relased. I think "The Dance" was a way for her to sign off with Fleetwood Mac on a high note.

[face of glass]

She said it had too much guitar, I think. Which may be a roundabout way of saying it didb't have enough keyboards.
Kind of ironic, considering how guitar-driven In The Meantime is. But maybe she was just put off by the "Come" solo. :nod:

[Gailh]

Kind of ironic, considering how guitar-driven In The Meantime is. But maybe she was just put off by the "Come" solo. :nod:

when she made a comment about SYW having "maybe a little too much guitar" she went on to say that In the Meantime had a lot of guitar on it because she was a "frustrated guitar player".

Much as I love Christine to bits she seems to be contradicting herself there.

I don't think she would tour with them again. Apparently she could have come out and done Don't Stop on the last night of the European tour at Earls Court (some of us bought another ticket on the strength of that) but she didn't want to.

If they do a 40th anniversary tour then I think she might be persuaded to at least appear on the stage but I very much doubt if she'll perform live again

Gail

[ELIUD]

I respect Christine's decision to retire and live her life in England like she's been wanting to for some time. But I've never cared for her stuff live in concert because they would only play her mainstream hits - which I really have never liked; the exception being the revamped "Say You Love Me" from The Dance Tour. I've always had more appreciation for her album cuts that were never played live so I really don't miss her on tour and don't care if she ever comes back.

[chiliD]

I think if they did a one-off performance (filmed/taped for PPV & DVD) with as many members* as they could round up, I think Christine would agree to do it...if they decided to "take it on the road", I think Christine would gracefully decline.

*-Mick, John, Stevie, Lindsey, Bob Welch, Bob Weston, Bob Brunning, Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Rick Vito, Billy Burnette, Bekka Bramlett, & Christine...would be my guesses as to the participants. Sorry to both Daves & obviously Danny isn't in any shape to perform (from last accounts of his whereabouts & state-of-mind)

[Richard B]

I think if they did a one-off performance (filmed/taped for PPV & DVD) with as many members* as they could round up, I think Christine would agree to do it...if they decided to "take it on the road", I think Christine would gracefully decline.

*-Mick, John, Stevie, Lindsey, Bob Welch, Bob Weston, Bob Brunning, Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Rick Vito, Billy Burnette, Bekka Bramlett, & Christine...would be my guesses as to the participants. Sorry to both Daves & obviously Danny isn't in any shape to perform (from last accounts of his whereabouts & state-of-mind)

This would be a strange show and lot's of egos to contend with on what to perform. I hope it never happens.

[chiliD]

This would be a strange show and lot's of egos to contend with on what to perform. I hope it never happens.


Yeah, you say that now, but if it did, you'd be scrambling for tickets, though, woudn't ya? :shrug:

[David]

She said it had too much guitar, I think. Which may be a roundabout way of saying it didb't have enough keyboards. :rolleyes: Lis, she couldn't have meant that because, if she heard the album, she knew it's chock a block full of keyboards: synthesizers, workstations, modules, hardware, software & other assorted binary bit & microchip paraphernalia.

"Say You Will" actually needed fewer keyboards, not more.

I think what she meant by the "too much guitar" comment was that Lindsey's hogwild, jagged pseudometal on "Come" & "Murrow" just wasn't her cup of tea. I'm sure she felt it was excessive & possibly even tasteless.
Is it a true fact that they actually 'turned her music away' from SYW because she didn't want to tour? I thought Mick said she sort of hemmed and hawed about participating, and then decided not to. I didn't know she had really offered them anything.I don't remember. It's all a big blur. There was a lot of hemming & hawing from both sides for many months there before it was finally settled that Mac would forge ahead as a foursome. There was some concern that if one of Christine's recorded songs became a hit, she wouldn't be there on the tour to perform it -- which is just idiotic. The band should have grabbed a hit wherever they could, even if there were strings attached. It wouldn't have been a big enough hit that audiences would have been dumbfounded or annoyed had Lindsey or Stevie sung the damn song onstage. I mean . . . hello? What did they do with "Don't Stop"? What did the '87-'90 touring groups do with "Go Your Own Way"? The only time it seemed to piss off fans was when the '94-'95 touring group did "Gold Dust Woman" -- & that wasn't really a case of audiences being pissed off, just the LB & SN fans who didn't actually attend a show.

[chiliD]

There was some concern that if one of Christine's recorded songs became a hit, she wouldn't be there on the tour to perform it -- which is just idiotic. The band should have grabbed a hit wherever they could, even if there were strings attached. It wouldn't have been a big enough hit that audiences would have been dumbfounded or annoyed had Lindsey or Stevie sung the damn song onstage. I mean . . . hello? What did they do with "Don't Stop"? What did the '87-'90 touring groups do with "Go Your Own Way"? The only time it seemed to piss off fans was when the '94-'95 touring group did "Gold Dust Woman" -- & that wasn't really a case of audiences being pissed off, just the LB & SN fans who didn't actually attend a show.

Yeah, I had to put up with Lindsey butchering "Oh Well" for 12 years...but, I STILL missed the damned song when they omitted playing since The Dance. A butchered "Oh Well" is infinitely better than no "Oh Well".

[dissention]

I think if they did a one-off performance (filmed/taped for PPV & DVD) with as many members* as they could round up, I think Christine would agree to do it...if they decided to "take it on the road", I think Christine would gracefully decline.

*-Mick, John, Stevie, Lindsey, Bob Welch, Bob Weston, Bob Brunning, Peter Green, Jeremy Spencer, Rick Vito, Billy Burnette, Bekka Bramlett, & Christine...would be my guesses as to the participants. Sorry to both Daves & obviously Danny isn't in any shape to perform (from last accounts of his whereabouts & state-of-mind)

That would be a hysterical show. The performances from almost everyone would be so fresh and vibrant, then they'd get to Stevie and Lindsey doing their eight year long rehearsed "Landslide" schtick and I'd explode into a ridiculously loud fit of laughter at how schmucky they are. Top it all off with a few jimmies made of speeches on cycles and a sweet cherry of lame "But the point is...here we are!" shouts, and it would be a show to end all shows. They'd have to haul out some ether just to calm me down.

[David]

I think if they did a one-off performance (filmed/taped for PPV & DVD) with as many members* as they could round up, I think Christine would agree to do it...if they decided to "take it on the road", I think Christine would gracefully decline.I think she'd decline, too. It's pretty apparent based on everything she has said for many years that she wouldn't be interested in any sort of rock circus that required her to go back to sleeping in a different hotel room every night.

One wonders, however, whether she has stopped traveling entirely. How could a person with all that money not enjoy a little world travel every now & then? Does she never again want to take a cruise to Alaska or the Norway fjords, for example?

Does she literally want to spend every night in her own bed in Kent for the rest of her life?

[David]

Yeah, I had to put up with Lindsey butchering "Oh Well" for 12 years...but, I STILL missed the damned song when they omitted playing since The Dance. A butchered "Oh Well" is infinitely better than no "Oh Well".See? He heard you hated the way he played it ... so he didn't play it.

Apparently, Stevie hasn't heard any of us complain about "Rhiannon."

[Richard B]

I think she'd decline, too. It's pretty apparent based on everything she has said for many years that she wouldn't be interested in any sort of rock circus that required her to go back to sleeping in a different hotel room every night.

One wonders, however, whether she has stopped traveling entirely. How could a person with all that money not enjoy a little world travel every now & then? Does she never again want to take a cruise to Alaska or the Norway fjords, for example?

Does she literally want to spend every night in her own bed in Kent for the rest of her life?
I think touring and travelling are two very different beasts. At least when your travelling, your not in one city for a night, then back on a plane for a perormance the next night in another city. I mean that's crazy.

Travelling is much slower paced. Nights in Estoril for example....hehe.

[Richard B]

Yeah, you say that now, but if it did, you'd be scrambling for tickets, though, woudn't ya? :shrug:
I suppose...but I would be frightened to see it. Peter Green unnerves me with his sheer presence nowadays.

[Highwayman]

A set list like "The Dance, Part 2" or a "best of"? Forget it, I have all those CD's.

Look, they are all professional musicians. They should rehearse the new material the way they want them, drop into a studio for a day, record the thing straight through, spend the second day touching it up, and it's done. When it takes a month a song to produce, no wonder why Christine is tired. And then to go out on the road and do the same tired songs each night? Good night, nurse! Christine, I hope you are enjoying your retirement! You sure earned it!

See, this is what happens when you lay back and rest on the laurals of your "tried and true" ways. If the albums were spontaneous and quick and if the concerts were revamped every single tour with all new fresh songs, and each night something was different, we would be having a completely different conversation here. And Christine might have remained excited and interested in Fleetwood Mac...

But we love them anyway... :xoxo:

[ThePenguin]

I think she'd decline, too. It's pretty apparent based on everything she has said for many years that she wouldn't be interested in any sort of rock circus that required her to go back to sleeping in a different hotel room every night.

One wonders, however, whether she has stopped traveling entirely. How could a person with all that money not enjoy a little world travel every now & then? Does she never again want to take a cruise to Alaska or the Norway fjords, for example?

Did she ever take a cruise to Alaska or the Norway fjords? I wasn't aware she was a cruiser. :woohoo:



Does she literally want to spend every night in her own bed in Kent for the rest of her life?

Maybe she does. I wonder if any of us...who for the most part live ordinary lives in that we more or less sleep in the same bed every night... can really fathom just how many nights in her life she has lain awake on some strange hotel room. Mick and John have both said that towards the end of the Dance tour she didn't like flying/traveling. She's said she got terrible insomnia on the road. I wouldn't have lasted a week, to be honest, as i get insomnia as well.

But anyway, the manner in which she could travel places on her own now is a whole different can of beans than what touring was. She was in the states for a bit last year to promote ITM...maybe she likes to travel a little a few times a year, who knows? At her age and after all her years w/ the band, she should do now whatever floats her boat. :nod:

-Lis

[chiliD]

Did she ever take a cruise to Alaska or the Norway fjords?

I'm REALLY glad that I read the rest of the thread before I replied...this is VERBATIM what I was going to post. :laugh:

[David]

I'm REALLY glad that I read the rest of the thread before I replied...this is VERBATIM what I was going to post. :laugh:You guys are too literal-minded. Unless I'm reading your replies literal-mindedly & not recognizing the levity.

the question remains: Is Christine through with traveling? Richard B brought up a good point: Traveling -- i.e., holidaying -- can be a leisurely, relaxing affair, whereas touring with a rock & roll circus is almost never relaxing (although it can be luxurious). So maybe Christine still likes to travel, assuming she ever did.

If getting on a plane for a single round trip doesn't bother her per se, that could mean the difference between her not showing up at a 40-year concert in the States & her agreeing to do it.

[SteveMacD]

I would bet a lot of money she'd do a 40-year concert. Maybe even something like a series of concerts at Royal Albert Hall to be recorded for a CD/DVD. After all, It's as much her story, her legacy as it is anybody else's, and she knows that it would cheapen a big Fleetwood Mac family reunion if she weren't a part of it. While I don't think she'd like to make a habbit of it, I think she'd get a kick playing a gig with all of these people who were a major part of her life.

Some might point out that she didn't even sing with the band on "Don't Stop" when she saw them live. But, for me, that's different. That was THEIR album, THEIR tour, THEIR show. A 40-year show would be about the band's legacy as a whole, and after Mick and John, she was the most significant member of Fleetwood Mac. It would be inappropriate, IMO, to do this without her.

[dissention]

Some might point out that she didn't even sing with the band on "Don't Stop" when she saw them live. But, for me, that's different. That was THEIR album, THEIR tour, THEIR show. A 40-year show would be about the band's legacy as a whole, and after Mick and John, she was the most significant member of Fleetwood Mac. It would be inappropriate, IMO, to do this without her.

She gave an interview to a local radio station when In the Meantime was released and said that the reason she didn't join them onstage was because she had closed that chapter of her life and didn't want to open it back in any way. She also that when they got together for Clinton's inauguration, they had gone into the studio and cut "Don't Stop" again. Someone needs to find a tape of this. :laugh:

[SteveMacD]

She gave an interview to a local radio station when In the Meantime was released and said that the reason she didn't join them onstage was because she had closed that chapter of her life and didn't want to open it back in any way.
Yeah, but with a one-off of that type, it's more a celebration of the book than adding to a chapter. I would honestly be surprised if she DIDN'T do it.

[jbrownsjr]

For the record, Christine only offered out of a sense of obligation to the band. She gave them her blessing to continue without her. If you read any of her comments since SYW, she seems quite happy to be retired from Fleetwood Mac as a whole. If anybody in the band thought that she really wanted to be on SYW, she would have been on SYW.

they were basically a little pissed she wasn't

she burned bridges according to lord linseed buckingham

[jbrownsjr]

CHristine has nothing to apologize for whatsoever. I'm not making any particular comment on what anyone says, but she gave 25+ years of her life to the band and as much as I love Lindsey, she never walked out of Fleetwood Mac like he did.

agree she paid her dues and didn't leave them hanging

[77Rumours77]

Persoanlly, I think if Christine, Bob and Peter joined in on a 40 year tour, I think that that tour would level the world! I would pay out the ass for that, even if it was the exact same setlist from SYW.