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[strandinthewind]

Stevie's Journal entries regarding her visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center

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[SmileAtU]

haha...oops looks like we posted at the same time!! :wavey:

[paperflowers]

I was just gonna post this ....
What a wonderful woman I just love her.... such wonderful words

[strandinthewind]

haha...oops looks like we posted at the same time!! :wavey:

oops indeed :laugh:

What a wonderful to go on about how shallow her life and its tribulations are when compared to these brave, brave people - both the soldiers and their relatives.

[GypsySorcerer]

She really has a huge heart. I love her. :angel:

[greatdarkwing]

Stevie is such a great person....and I love her diction...

[MacMan]

That's a real sweet thing of her to do - to go visit these guys... and to write about it and post it on her site. A lot of people will benefit knowing she's on their side and really cares. :thumbsup:

[Stephanie]

just more reasons to love our stevie

[xxxdeborahxxx]

just more reasons to love our stevie


Stevie's Journal entries regarding her visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center

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Friday July 8th, 2005
Washington, D.C.

Today started out as normal as any other day~ misty but sunny~a day off for me and my band~ a time to rest from a tour that began last May~ a sweet day in Washington, D.C.~ Except for…this was the day I chose to go to the Walter Reed Hospital and visit with the boys back from Iraq~ a few hours to spread my magic and give away some of my music~ sign some rock & roll t-shirts~ and come back home for an early night because tomorrow we fly to Charlotte for a show and then back here to play D.C. on Sunday… How simple my idea of this day now seems. I look at life through the eyes of a rock and roll fairy princess who lives for nothing more than to sing a song~ break a few hearts~ and fly on to the next city and do it all again…until today.

I walked into Walter Reed today a single woman with no children~ I walked out~ a mother, a wife, a girlfriend, a sister, a daughter, a nurse, a patient’s advocate~ a changed woman~ what I saw today will never leave my heart. The boys of Iraq~ (and a few older ones, too).

And the families~ the father who showed me the shrapnel they took out of his son~ and then took his medals and laid them at his child’s feet~ such a beautiful father…in so much pain, but always hopeful~ his son will make it~ and I believe that…

The father who said - "His eyes are closed, but he hears you. See, his hand is making the sign of "Mahalo"~ his eyes are closed, but those tears mean he sees you~" I made him promise to listen to my music~ he promised. And his mother, I felt her pain more vividly than I have ever felt the pain of a mother’s love in my whole life. I told her I could only imagine what that would be like. I hugged her for a long time thinking that maybe if I didn’t let her go~ we would just wake up from this dream. But war is real~ it’s not a dream~ and I had to let her go. That was hard. I felt some of my spirit leave my body and go over to her; I hope she felt it too…Mahalo, I won’t forget you…

And the mom’s…oh yes, our moms just never give up…they just sit there and pray and make promises to God~ "if you will just bring him back…just take me…" and they mean it. And standing in those rooms with them I meant it too…whatever it takes, God, just do it.

And the sisters…I have a brother. He is 5 years younger than me, but he is still my baby. Even the thought of him being taken from me drains the joy from my body~ and the world would be joyless. I saw that in those little sisters eyes~ "you can’t have my brother…he is too young; we have only just begun to live. So I pray for these boys to gather their strength and their angels about them and come back to us. I pray that these brilliant doctors that surround them are able to work the miracles that are needed here. I place a circle of white light around them~ like a million white candles burning for their recovery and their strength and their determination to come back to us…


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Tuesday Night, July 12th, 2005
Miami, Florida

I finished that last sentence at 3:30 last Friday night. I was so tired, I could write not another word~ we had a show in Charlotte the next day and I needed to go to sleep. But I couldn’t sleep. The faces of my new found injured friends haunted my thoughts~ so I called my mother in Phoenix knowing that she would listen to what I had written and calm me so I could sleep. I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom. So what you can do, Stevie, is love them and visit them and most importantly, tell the world what you experienced so that people know what these boys have given up. Your job here has always been to bring information to the world through your songs~ and to your audiences when you talk to them. This visit to Walter Reed Hospital is another stepping-stone in your life. You had to see it to believe it~ and now go tell the world.

So, once again~ thank you for those brave moms, …and thank you for my own mom, for Barbara, for her words that allowed me to sleep that night. She has always been my "way out", my solution, my great love…

And I will do something. Me and my guitar player, friend, Waddy~ and my dear little assistant, Karen. We will think of something. We’ll start a foundation, we will tell the world what we saw~ we’ll keep tabs on our boys at Walter Reed~ and we will love them every day in our hearts~ and we will WISH THEM WELL.

[littlecricket2]

Hmmm...hey Tiff, are you out there? Stevie didn't write about the woman soldier she met who was pregnant (and Stevie bought her a ton of baby stuff) and the woman ended up dying, :( . Was this at a different facility than Walter Reed, I wonder? Stevie only mentioned men in her journal entry, so maybe only men were at this facility. I'm confused. :confused:

[CreepingDeath]

She really has a huge heart. I love her. :angel:

:nod: :nod:

[SapphireSister]

I had tears streaming down my face the entire time I read that, from beginning to end. To see a person who cares and feels so deeply, to see a person who at times feels as though she carries the weight of the world on her shoulders, to see so much of myself and the way I feel in someone else is truly touching. But the one thing that she has (well many things lol) that I do not in this case is a voice and Barbara is right - she can use that voice to spread the awareness and educate people. All I can say is that I wish there were more people like Stephanie Lynn Nicks in the world...*bows to her Goddess*.

[GardenStateGirlie]

Not just a rockstar. Love her to bits. Truly a woman with a huge heart :nod:

[Livia]

I had tears streaming down my face the entire time I read that, from beginning to end.

You and me both! (Honks into tissue). Awww....sniff...that's our Stevie!

[catinthedark]

Stevie's Journal entries regarding her visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center

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Tuesday Night, July 12th, 2005
Miami, Florida

I finished that last sentence at 3:30 last Friday night. I was so tired, I could write not another word~ we had a show in Charlotte the next day and I needed to go to sleep. But I couldn’t sleep. The faces of my new found injured friends haunted my thoughts~ so I called my mother in Phoenix knowing that she would listen to what I had written and calm me so I could sleep. I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom. So what you can do, Stevie, is love them and visit them and most importantly, tell the world what you experienced so that people know what these boys have given up. Your job here has always been to bring information to the world through your songs~ and to your audiences when you talk to them. This visit to Walter Reed Hospital is another stepping-stone in your life. You had to see it to believe it~ and now go tell the world..

I'm trying to figue out if Stevie's mother is implying that Iraq/Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11th. I hope not, if this is going to be the information Stevie brings to the world.

(I am not dumping all over her, by the way. I think it's wonderful that she is visiting all these soldiers. God knows, no one from the Bush Administration is). It just infuriates me to see this kind of ignorance, which I blame solely on the Bush Administration and its mis-education of the American people - and it frightens me that more of this propaganda could be spread.

[GardenStateGirlie]

I'm trying to figue out if Stevie's mother is implying that Iraq/Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11th. I hope not, if this is going to be the information Stevie brings to the world.

(I am not dumping all over her, by the way. I think it's wonderful that she is visiting all these soldiers. God knows, no one from the Bush Administration is). It just infuriates me to see this kind of ignorance, which I blame solely on the Bush Administration and its mis-education of the American people - and it frightens me that more of this propaganda could be spread.

With all due respect, Barbara is an 80 something year old woman with a different view of the world. I think it's best to concentrate on the fact that Stevie took the time to go and see these people as opposed to turning this into another political thread that perhaps has more merit on the chit chat board (no offense to you at all, Cat so please don't take it as such).

[catinthedark]

With all due respect, Barbara is an 80 something year old woman with a different view of the world. I think it's best to concentrate on the fact that Stevie took the time to go and see these people as opposed to turning this into another political thread that perhaps has more merit on the chit chat board (no offense to you at all, Cat so please don't take it as such).

No offense taken at all. As I said, I wasn't dumping on Stevie. Just voicing a concern. And wondering if it's a view Stevie shares.

[StevieNicksEO17]

Wow, Stevie. That woman has a huge heart. That's all I can say is wow.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I'm trying to figue out if Stevie's mother is implying that Iraq/Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11th. I hope not, if this is going to be the information Stevie brings to the world.

(I am not dumping all over her, by the way. I think it's wonderful that she is visiting all these soldiers. God knows, no one from the Bush Administration is). It just infuriates me to see this kind of ignorance, which I blame solely on the Bush Administration and its mis-education of the American people - and it frightens me that more of this propaganda could be spread.


you know something Cat?? i was thinking the same thing when i read this... sounds as if Stevie's mom comes from the same camp who believe that Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat to this country (which clearly he was NOT)...

i always believed Stevie to be more liberal in her beliefs.. but it seems her parents, or at least her mom may be more conservative...

i just hope she didnt convince Stevie that this war was for our benefit and it was a GOOD thing :)

ok.. let me stop, before i really get into this and create a political battle on the Ledge :wavey:

[StevieNicksEO17]

Hmmm...hey Tiff, are you out there? Stevie didn't write about the woman soldier she met who was pregnant (and Stevie bought her a ton of baby stuff) and the woman ended up dying, :( . Was this at a different facility than Walter Reed, I wonder? Stevie only mentioned men in her journal entry, so maybe only men were at this facility. I'm confused. :confused:

Hey, Miss G., could you share what you're talking about?? :)

[golden braid]

I love Stevie. It's amazing that she takes the time out of her busy day to give something of herself to others who are in need. She gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

[darklinensuit]

No offense taken at all. As I said, I wasn't dumping on Stevie. Just voicing a concern. And wondering if it's a view Stevie shares.

Even if she did, she would not be public about such a political hot-button. I'm sure her message will focus on the plight of the troops. :wavey:

- Jake

[Johnny Stew]

Stevie takes a lot of crap for being a pampered little rock star. And she is a pampered little rock star.
But she also has a heart of gold... compassionate, empathic, generous, magnanimous. Even after all these years of fortune and fame, she still wears her heart firmly on her chiffon-dripped sleeve.

Whatever faults she may have, I have always been very proud to say, "I'm a Stevie Nicks fan."
But now more than ever. :nod:

[Kelly]

Stevie has such a huge heart~~ I am proud to be a fan of hers. She is always an inspiration.

As far as political views, Barbara comes from an entirely different generation and I do not think Stevie believes Iraq/Saddam was responsible for 9/11. I am not getting that Barbara does necessarily either, from the little blurbs Stevie posted. Even if Barbara does think that way, I doubt Stevie does. Stevie's message is not about that, it is more about spreading love and thanks to the specific soldiers.
This talk about Barbara reminds me of Javier's Q and A, where he describes going to Stevie's door with Lindsey in the late sixties. Barbara made some bizarre comment about the boys "should be off at the war" or something like that. Of course I did not hear the context in which she said it but the comment itself sort of offended me. (if indeed she said it..I have no reason to think Javier would lie though)

Anyway..this stuff should be left for chitchat. The focus should be on what an amazing woman Stevie is. We should all strive to be as giving, loving and kind. What an inspiration.

[littlecricket2]

Originally Posted by littlecricket2:
Hmmm...hey Tiff, are you out there? Stevie didn't write about the woman soldier she met who was pregnant (and Stevie bought her a ton of baby stuff) and the woman ended up dying, . Was this at a different facility than Walter Reed, I wonder? Stevie only mentioned men in her journal entry, so maybe only men were at this facility. I'm confused.


Posted by StevieNicksEO17:
Hey, Miss G., could you share what you're talking about??


Hi Jessica (and everyone),

It's a long story and I have to run off to grad school, but I will post more (if Tiffany doesn't beat me to it) later tonight. :)

[mcboo]

i'd hate to see politics put a dark cloud over this whole thing......

What a cool thing Stevie did, she has no motives. That should be an example to all of us (me, especially!)

LET'S GO SPREAD SOME PEACE AND LOVE TODAY!! :xoxo:

(sounds better than cleaning the house, doesn't it? :shrug: )

[gldstwmn]

Stevie's Journal entries regarding her visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center

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Friday July 8th, 2005
Washington, D.C.

Today started out as normal as any other day~ misty but sunny~a day off for me and my band~ a time to rest from a tour that began last May~ a sweet day in Washington, D.C.~ Except for…this was the day I chose to go to the Walter Reed Hospital and visit with the boys back from Iraq~ a few hours to spread my magic and give away some of my music~ sign some rock & roll t-shirts~ and come back home for an early night because tomorrow we fly to Charlotte for a show and then back here to play D.C. on Sunday… How simple my idea of this day now seems. I look at life through the eyes of a rock and roll fairy princess who lives for nothing more than to sing a song~ break a few hearts~ and fly on to the next city and do it all again…until today.

I walked into Walter Reed today a single woman with no children~ I walked out~ a mother, a wife, a girlfriend, a sister, a daughter, a nurse, a patient’s advocate~ a changed woman~ what I saw today will never leave my heart. The boys of Iraq~ (and a few older ones, too).

And the families~ the father who showed me the shrapnel they took out of his son~ and then took his medals and laid them at his child’s feet~ such a beautiful father…in so much pain, but always hopeful~ his son will make it~ and I believe that…

The father who said - "His eyes are closed, but he hears you. See, his hand is making the sign of "Mahalo"~ his eyes are closed, but those tears mean he sees you~" I made him promise to listen to my music~ he promised. And his mother, I felt her pain more vividly than I have ever felt the pain of a mother’s love in my whole life. I told her I could only imagine what that would be like. I hugged her for a long time thinking that maybe if I didn’t let her go~ we would just wake up from this dream. But war is real~ it’s not a dream~ and I had to let her go. That was hard. I felt some of my spirit leave my body and go over to her; I hope she felt it too…Mahalo, I won’t forget you…

And the mom’s…oh yes, our moms just never give up…they just sit there and pray and make promises to God~ "if you will just bring him back…just take me…" and they mean it. And standing in those rooms with them I meant it too…whatever it takes, God, just do it.

And the sisters…I have a brother. He is 5 years younger than me, but he is still my baby. Even the thought of him being taken from me drains the joy from my body~ and the world would be joyless. I saw that in those little sisters eyes~ "you can’t have my brother…he is too young; we have only just begun to live. So I pray for these boys to gather their strength and their angels about them and come back to us. I pray that these brilliant doctors that surround them are able to work the miracles that are needed here. I place a circle of white light around them~ like a million white candles burning for their recovery and their strength and their determination to come back to us…


So beautiful.... :angel:


Tuesday Night, July 12th, 2005
Miami, Florida

I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom.

Sigh. :distress: WWII was about keeping war off of our mainland. Again 9/11 has/had nothing to do with Iraq. Although this war is about our way of life and our dependence on foreign oil.

[Hawkeye]

First of all, this is one of the absloute nicest things Ive ever heard a celebrity do. Any of them can give money, but Stevie took the time to spend time witht these people and did it out of her own heart. Shes great. But I really had to laugh at the part I highlighted


Stevie's Journal entries regarding her visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center


Tuesday Night, July 12th, 2005
Miami, Florida

I finished that last sentence at 3:30 last Friday night. I was so tired, I could write not another word~ we had a show in Charlotte the next day and I needed to go to sleep. But I couldn’t sleep. The faces of my new found injured friends haunted my thoughts~ so I called my mother in Phoenix knowing that she would listen to what I had written and calm me so I could sleep. I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom. So what you can do, Stevie, is love them and visit them and most importantly, tell the world what you experienced so that people know what these boys have given up. Your job here has always been to bring information to the world through your songs~ and to your audiences when you talk to them. This visit to Walter Reed Hospital is another stepping-stone in your life. You had to see it to believe it~ and now go tell the world.



:laugh: Yes, Stevie's songs are a never ending well of information. Witches, Gypsys and Heartbeats driving you mad are so informative. And would we know ANYTHING about the gulf war if Stevie wasnt born in the desert???

[strandinthewind]

. . . And would we know ANYTHING about the gulf war if Stevie wasnt born in the desert???

well, she knows how it feels there :laugh: hey - look up - its a shooting star - where is my husband, I want him to see it - oh where the hell has he gone this time? :laugh:

WE LOVE YOU STEVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rickypt]

A class act, that Stevie. :xoxo:

I disagree with her mum.

[gldstwmn]

I'm trying to figue out if Stevie's mother is implying that Iraq/Saddam Hussein was responsible for September 11th. I hope not, if this is going to be the information Stevie brings to the world.



This is the second time this type of statement has come from Stevie. So I wonder the same thing myself. I know Stevie watches the news so certainly she must know by now there is no connection to 9/11 and Saddam.
In first part of the journal entry, her feelings are right on. She can't sleep because she knows conciously or unconciously we are there for no good god damn reason. So she calls her mom who makes her feel better enough to go to sleep. And we all need someone like that sometimes.

[gldstwmn]

you know something Cat?? i was thinking the same thing when i read this... sounds as if Stevie's mom comes from the same camp who believe that Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat to this country (which clearly he was NOT)...


It reminds me of Javier's Q&A when he recounted going over to Stevie's house with- I think it was Lindsey- and her mother answered the door and said something like "Why aren't you boys in Vietnam?"

[LeighB04]

It reminds me of Javier's Q&A when he recounted going over to Stevie's house with- I think it was Lindsey- and her mother answered the door and said something like "Why aren't you boys in Vietnam?"

I'm so relieved to hear how many of you disagree with Stevie's mom - even many so-caled "liberals" still think that killing all those thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan is somehow connected to America's "freedom". So thank you for your reason, and for not making this political.
Having said that, I have no reason to believe Stevie is that liberal - I wonder how much of it is wishful thinking on our parts, hoping she is but at the same time (somewhere deep inside of me) doubting it - don't ask me why.

Very cool of La Nicks to go visit and spread a little sunshine... those guys don't deserve what happened to them.

[SandyMac]

i'd hate to see politics put a dark cloud over this whole thing......

What a cool thing Stevie did, she has no motives. That should be an example to all of us (me, especially!)

LET'S GO SPREAD SOME PEACE AND LOVE TODAY!! :xoxo:

(sounds better than cleaning the house, doesn't it? :shrug: )

Couldn't have said it better myself (especially since today I am cleaning house) ;)

Our soldiers need our love and support and I love how Stevie wanted to share her experience with us. I so wanted to give Stevie a hug after she said she cried.

Peace and Love. :xoxo:
Stevie is a very special angel. :angel:

[strandinthewind]

I'm so relieved to hear how many of you disagree with Stevie's mom - even many so-caled "liberals" still think that killing all those thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan is somehow connected to America's "freedom". So thank you for your reason, and for not making this political.
Having said that, I have no reason to believe Stevie is that liberal - I wonder how much of it is wishful thinking on our parts, hoping she is but at the same time (somewhere deep inside of me) doubting it - don't ask me why.

Very cool of La Nicks to go visit and spread a little sunshine... those guys don't deserve what happened to them.

Even Afganistan, where Al-Q was being kept and supported :eek: I mean I get the no relation for Iraq, but Afganistan is way different. I guess we should have let them stay there or, better yet, believed the Afgan gov. when they told us OBL and Al-Q were not there and that OBL and AL-Q were good people and incapable of the events of 9/11.

[LeighB04]

Even Afganistan, where Al-Q was being kept and supported :eek: I mean I get the no relation for Iraq, but Afganistan is way different. I guess we should have let them stay there or, better yet, believed the Afgan gov. when they told us OBL and Al-Q were not there and that OBL and AL-Q were good people and incapable of the events of 9/11.

The Afghan people didn't ask for it.... and especially since the US governemnt financed the Taliban for many years.... ooh dear, we're getting political now... sorry. Please don't respond to this!! Let's talk about Stevie....

[SapphireSister]

All of the sudden I have "From a Distance" by Bette Midler stuck in my head. Someone please kill me now.

[David]

A class act, that Stevie.Remember how Jim Ladd used to say how, of all the rock stars he had known, Stevie was the nicest & most genuine? "What you heard tonight on the interview is exactly the way she is."

She's a great gal!

I believe there are three aspects of human endeavor in which one can excel: artistic, scientific, moral. Stevie excels in the moral.

[strandinthewind]

The Afghan people didn't ask for it.... and especially since the US governemnt financed the Taliban for many years.... ooh dear, we're getting political now... sorry. Please don't respond to this!! Let's talk about Stevie....


LOL - I agree - but I am always open to a lively debate on it in chit chat forum :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

This was, though, a great thing for La Nicks to do, esp. considering our own govt. screws these people on a regular basis.

[LeighB04]

Remember how Jim Ladd used to say how, of all the rock stars he had known, Stevie was the nicest & most genuine? "What you heard tonight on the interview is exactly the way she is."

She's a great gal!

I believe there are three aspects of human endeavor in which one can excel: artistic, scientific, moral. Stevie excels in the moral.


Hmmm... methinks not really??? Affairs with married men, addictions, our gal aint purrfect, by any means - she does have a wonderful heart and spirit, that's for sure!

[David]

All of the sudden I have "From a Distance" by Bette Midler stuck in my head. Someone please kill me now.The photo in your sig is the black hooded cape Stevie wore for "Rhiannon" on the Wild Heart tour!!!All I can say is, you rawk! \m/

[EnchantedSLN]

It's a long story and I have to run off to grad school, but I will post more (if Tiffany doesn't beat me to it) later tonight. :)

Actually you summed it up pretty well before. I spoke with John after the show in Anaheim and he was just saying that Stevie had given him the new journal entries to post. He also shared that she visited a pregnant woman and went back to bring her some baby things, but sadly she passed away and Stevie was pretty distraught about it :(.

[strandinthewind]

Actually you summed it up pretty well before. I spoke with John after the show in Anaheim and he was just saying that Stevie had given him the new journal entries to post. He also shared that she visited a pregnant woman and went back to bring her some baby things, but sadly she passed away and Stevie was pretty distraught about it :(.

OMG - was this woman an injured vet :eek:

[EnchantedSLN]

OMG - was this woman an injured vet :eek:

That was the impression I got; I'm not sure.

[SapphireSister]

The photo in your sig is the black hooded cape Stevie wore for "Rhiannon" on the Wild Heart tour!!!All I can say is, you rawk! \m/

So this pic is from the WH Tour? Thank you so much David. I didn't know that!
:xoxo:

[dudden22]

All of the sudden I have "From a Distance" by Bette Midler stuck in my head. Someone please kill me now.

Now it is stuck in my head so I may have to kill you. :laugh: :xoxo:

[catinthedark]

Now it is stuck in my head so I may have to kill you. :laugh: :xoxo:


Haha - in mine, too. Gah.

Hey, sorry if I offended anyone or anything by bringing up Stevie's mom's comments. I see I wasn't the only one who had the reaction - but you're all right - political debate belongs in chit chat. :sorry:

Bottom line is that Stevie gave her time and her love to the vets in DC, and I'm sure it made a world of difference to them. It is sometimes hard to separate personal feelings about this war from the men and women who are fighting it. It's very sad when you hear some of them say they don't even know why the US is in Iraq, but they believe in serving their country. But they definitely deserve support and all the help they will need when they get home.

[Rickypt]

Hey, sorry if I offended anyone or anything by bringing up Stevie's mom's comments. I see I wasn't the only one who had the reaction - but you're all right - political debate belongs in chit chat. :sorry:

The journal entry is political, so it makes complete sense that some of the reactions will be as well.

[Kelly]

Oh Lord the pregnant lady was a vet? Shit. That is terrible. I can only imagine how upset Stevie probably was at that whole thing. Do they allow pregnant woman over there? I am thinking not. :shrug:

[strandinthewind]

Oh Lord the pregnant lady was a vet? Shit. That is terrible. I can only imagine how upset Stevie probably was at that whole thing. Do they allow pregnant woman over there? I am thinking not. :shrug:

Well, she could have become pregnant while there. If I rememeber correctly, that short girl (Pvt. Lynch ?) in the prison scandals became pregnant there, but I think her husband was there. In any event, just a horrible thing.

[Serrart]

I don't agree with her mother either, but the journal entry was beautiful and soothing.

Romy

[DeeGeMe]

I read this early this morning and was very, very touched by it. I just thought it was so sweet that as old as she is, Stevie was calling her mom for some comfort.

But the line about why we were fighting--uhm--yeah, that was jarring. I have no idea what Stevie's parents' political beliefs are but Arizona is known to be a very conservative state. But I know plenty of people, both liberal and conservative who believe the lie about why we had to go to Iraq. Proof positive that if you repeat something often enough, it sometimes will become the truth.

Okay--back to the journal--Stevie really does care about people and it shows. She is a pampered rock and roll star but she's never forgotten about her fans and she's never forgotten about trying to help others either. That's why the woman has such a base of diehard fans 30 years down the line and why she'll have diehard fans 30 years from now. Rock on Stevie.

[bikerchic]

Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life.


Stevie obviously believe's this or she would not have written it in her journals and then posted it on her web site for all her fans to read.....HELLO.

[dissention]

Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life.

Stevie obviously believe's this or she would not have written it in her journals and then posted it on her web site for all her fans to read.....HELLO.

:nod::nod::nod:

The voice of reason you are!

[Serrart]

Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life.


Stevie obviously believe's this or she would not have written it in her journals and then posted it on her web site for all her fans to read.....HELLO.

Well basically the idea made her sleep, maybe she's suggesting to use Bush speeches as sedatives... :D

Romy

[strandinthewind]

Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me. She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life.


Stevie obviously believe's this or she would not have written it in her journals and then posted it on her web site for all her fans to read.....HELLO.

. . . and if that is the case, it is her right. I think she is wrong on many levels, but wrong nonetheless. I just think her past posts suggest she was against the war in Iraq - she said things like the soldiers have to be there because they were told to go, etc. I just somehow doubt a hippie left over supports the war in Iraq. In the end, I like many an artist who allegedly supports the war or W (which people think likeing one means you like both) so I will like Stevie.

[littlecricket2]

I think Stevie is super sweet to visit the vets and write about it, but has anyone ever noticed that Stevie always talks in terms of men and pretty much never mentions women in the military? It's always "those men," "husbands, fathers, brothers, sons," etc. In the letter to the soldiers during the Gulf War, in the song "Desert Angel," and now. I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

[gldstwmn]

That was the impression I got; I'm not sure.

Good Christ. :distress:

[gldstwmn]

The journal entry is political, so it makes complete sense that some of the reactions will be as well.
Thank you. :xoxo:

[gldstwmn]

Well, she could have become pregnant while there. If I rememeber correctly, that short girl (Pvt. Lynch ?) in the prison scandals became pregnant there, but I think her husband was there. In any event, just a horrible thing.
Lyndie England.

[dissention]

Lyndie England.

a.k.a. Satan's henchwoman.

[catinthedark]

I think Stevie is super sweet to visit the vets and write about it, but has anyone ever noticed that Stevie always talks in terms of men and pretty much never mentions women in the military? It's always "those men," "husbands, fathers, brothers, sons," etc. In the letter to the soldiers during the Gulf War, in the song "Desert Angel," and now. I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

We talked about it a few months ago when we were discussing Desert Angel. I made the same point, because that verse in DA has always bothered me, too. Strange, eh, that she would not mention the women who serve? :shrug:

[littlecricket2]

We talked about it a few months ago when we were discussing Desert Angel. I made the same point, because that verse in DA has always bothered me, too. Strange, eh, that she would not mention the women who serve? :shrug:

I agree, but I think I just figured out why she has this oversight all the time: Stevie thinks primarily about relationships between men and women. So her generalizations when she's writing about the military reflect this! Notice that when she talks about only the men fighting overseas, she usually mentions only the women being home worried about them or mourning them! She talks about sisters worried about brothers (never brothers worried about brothers), mothers worried about sons (she doesn't generally mention the fathers worried about sons), etc. So Stevie really seems to fit everything into a male-female perspective. I guess the fact that most of her songwriting and poetry deals with male-female relationships might have something to do with that! Still, it's a little off-putting to me, though I understand she means well and I think she's wonderful to give of her time this way.

[jwd]

And I will do something. Me and my guitar player, friend, Waddy~ and my dear little assistant, Karen. We will think of something. We’ll start a foundation, we will tell the world what we saw~ we’ll keep tabs on our boys at Walter Reed~ and we will love them every day in our hearts~ and we will WISH THEM WELL.

That was a beautiful and heartfelt sentiment from Stevie. :xoxo:

[HejiraNYC]

That was a beautiful and heartfelt sentiment from Stevie. :xoxo:


I agree... but please, please, please, Stevie, don't "tell the world" in another seven-minute epic song. I just cringe at the thought of "Desert Angel 2005/Freedom" medley. :eek:

[Mokona]

I don't agree with Stevie's mom and always thought Stevie wouldn't be a supporter of Bush since I saw those photos of her snuggling up to Clinton, but whatever. She did a beautiful thing by visiting those soldiers and spending time with them, and she has such a warm, loving heart.

Gotta love Stevie! :xoxo:

[LiquidBlue5000]

I don't agree with Stevie's mom and always thought Stevie wouldn't be a supporter of Bush since I saw those photos of her snuggling up to Clinton, but whatever.


ok.. well, i can't keep quiet about this because i just can't ;)

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)

[Mokona]

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)I'm glad you did speak up, Brian! A huge weight has been lifted off my chest! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a180/guy_smiley705/Favorites/Faves2/relieved.gif

[Johnny Stew]

My take on the comments that Barbara Nicks made, and Stevie's interpretation of them, was not so much that "this war is right" and "we belong over there," but more that these men and women are "doing their job." And not said in a cold, callous way, but in that they chose to go into the army to protect their country, and, rightly or wrongly, that's what they feel they're doing.

Proof of that, is the amount of service people you talk to who firmly believe in what they and their comrades are doing in Iraq.

[gldstwmn]

a.k.a. Satan's henchwoman.

And Grainer (sp?) the father of her child.

[Johnny Stew]

Hmmm... methinks not really??? Affairs with married men, addictions, our gal aint purrfect, by any means - she does have a wonderful heart and spirit, that's for sure!I think what trips a lot of people up in life, is the belief that making mistakes (even big ones) equates a lack of morals.

You can still be a good, "moralled" person, and make grievous errors in judgement.

Beyond that, many ancient religions believe that those who have made mistakes and had to suffer through them and have learned from them, are closer to the highest level of spirituality than anyone.

[gldstwmn]

ok.. well, i can't keep quiet about this because i just can't ;)

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)

I never doubted it. But maybe we can get Sheryl Crow to send her an email about the Saddam-9/11 thing. She's repeated it twice now.

[Kelly]

I never doubted it. But maybe we can get Sheryl Crow to send her an email about the Saddam-9/11 thing. She's repeated it twice now.

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.



Overall it was a wonderful, heartfelt thing she did and I hope to God she doesn't decide to never post her journal entries again.

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

[Johnny Stew]

Each to their own but when I read that I feel like I was born my father's daughter, destined to be mother to a son (who will no doubt grow to perform manly duties), everyone in their designated roles as related to their gender. Perhaps I'm sensetive but I can't read it without overlooking the intended point, whatever that may be.It's another thing that makes Stevie a very interesting contradiction in terms, since her own chosen profession is certainly not what one would assume gender-role stereotypes would dictate.
She's no one's mother and she's no one's wife, and she's out there in what, even to this day, is traditionally considered a man's arena (despite the numerous women rockers who should have dispelled that notion out of people's heads decades ago).

[strandinthewind]

It's another thing that makes Stevie a very interesting contradiction in terms, since her own chosen profession is certainly not what one would assume gender-role stereotypes would dictate.
She's no one's mother and she's no one's wife, and she's out there in what, even to this day, is traditionally considered a man's arena (despite the numerous women rockers who should have dispelled that notion out of people's heads decades ago).


I just think it is AMAZING that she took her time off and gave it so selflessly. I mean this had to be organized as I am sure she cannot just pop into peoples' hospital rooms. She also apparently went shopping for gifts for these people. She also hugged them and cried right there with them. I suggest most do not do that on their cake walk visit. I have a tremendous respect for her for doing this in such a thoughtful way.

[dissention]

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.

Overall it was a wonderful, heartfelt thing she did and I hope to God she doesn't decide to never post her journal entries again.

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

I think Stevie is a little naive girl when it comes to politics, however unpopular that belief may be. The comment she made about Jackson Browne many moons ago proved as much to me. It's a great, amazing thing that she visited the hospital and cares enough to do it, but I have to wonder why people expect Stevie Nicks to have informed political opinions.

And when did she donate to the DNC as recently as last summer? There's no doubt that she's a Democrat, but if you look her up on Newsmeat, the last time she made any political donations was four years ago.

[LiquidBlue5000]

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.


Kelly, i know exactly what you mean.... she does this all the time in interviews... it's as if she fabricates things unintentionally to make the story sound more appealing.. :shrug:

She doesn't do this all the time, but she does do it quite a bit i've noticed..

[LiquidBlue5000]

And when did she donate to the DNC as recently as last summer?

uhhhm, last summer.

[dissention]

uhhhm, last summer.

Got proof?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Stevie_Nicks.php

[Johnny Stew]

Kelly, i know exactly what you mean.... she does this all the time in interviews... it's as if she fabricates things unintentionally to make the story sound more appealing.. :shrug:

She doesn't do this all the time, but she does do it quite a bit i've noticed..Judy Garland was often noted for her elaborate and wildly fascinating anecdotes, which typically played fast and loose with actual facts.
She wasn't being intentionally deceitful, she was simply being an entertaining interviewee.

I tend to regard Stevie in the same manner... as a gifted raconteur.

[littlecricket2]

Judy Garland was often noted for her elaborate and wildly fascinating anecdotes, which typically played fast and loose with actual facts.
She wasn't being intentionally deceitful, she was simply being an entertaining interviewee.

I tend to regard Stevie in the same manner... as a gifted raconteur.

Hmmm...well, I guess as long as we don't count on anything Stevie says as the truth, it's all good.

[skcin]

I think Stevie is a little naive girl when it comes to politics, however unpopular that belief may be. The comment she made about Jackson Browne many moons ago proved as much to me. It's a great, amazing thing that she visited the hospital and cares enough to do it, but I have to wonder why people expect Stevie Nicks to have informed political opinions.




I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a shit what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

[gldstwmn]

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

I never thought she was a Bush supporter. And I'm well aware of her polititcal donations. You can find them here: www.newsmeat.com

[gldstwmn]

Got proof?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Stevie_Nicks.php

I couldn't find it either. :shrug:

[dissention]

I couldn't find it either. :shrug:

Because she never donated to the DNC, much less made a poltical donation that the FEC knows about in the past four years. The closest she came was donating to the Texas Democratic Party in '01.

Stevie a Republican, though? Ha. :laugh: She loves Clinton too much.

[mcboo]

I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a shit what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

:thumbsup: AMEN!

[gldstwmn]

Because she never donated to the DNC, much less made a poltical donation that the FEC knows about in the past four years. The closest she came was donating to the Texas Democratic Party in '01.

Stevie a Republican, though? Ha. :laugh: She loves Clinton too much.

Like I said, we need Sheryl to send her an email clarifying the Saddam-9/11 thing. :laugh:

[dissention]

Like I said, we need Sheryl to send her an email clarifying the Saddam-9/11 thing. :laugh:

:laugh:

I have that long letter she posted on her site before the invasion around here somewhere. That thing was incredibly well-written and articulate; she's one smart cookie.

[strandinthewind]

I was thinking about her statement:

. . . She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom.

I think the prior statement:

. . . we had a show in Charlotte the next day and I needed to go to sleep. But I couldn’t sleep. The faces of my new found injured friends haunted my thoughts~ so I called my mother in Phoenix knowing that she would listen to what I had written and calm me so I could sleep. I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me.

indicates La Nicks was lamenting the fact that these soldiers were there and that this has happened to them. I think that demonstrates that La Nicks is not happy they are there and IMO means she knows that the reasoning behind them being there was fallacious and she is upset about it.

This is where I think it gets complicated - I think the lines from her mother are for the troops. I think that La Nicks knows she cannot and should not walk into Walter Reed Hospital and announce with all of her political acumen that the war was a sham, these guys were hoodwinked, they were injured in vain, and they are fools for believing in whatever they believe that is contrary to what she believes. I think that would be inappropriate because many there do not look at it that way. They look at it as they were fighting to protect our freedom, which brings us to the second quote above. Thus, I think maybe she was being polite.

Finally, I know this is not popular, but the war in Iraq is directly related to the war on terror because the war on terror is broader than OBL and Al-Q. After all, OBL is not the only terrorist on the planet. In fact, SH was a terrorist. There is no question about that. SH also had attacked/invaded an American allies (Kuwaitt anbd Israel) and the sanctions etc. that eventually did him in were a result of those aggressive and terroristic acts. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that his terroristic regime fits in the enemy side of the war on terror even though SH had nothing to do with the actual attacks on 9/11 and SH had nothing to do with OBL and Al-Q. Now, and let me be clear here, that does not in any way justify W's lying to invade Iraq and his IMO more catastrophic failure to have any any rationale plan after the invasion. That is a sep. thing from Iraq being an enemy in the war on terrorism, which it clearly was, albeit it was a minor one in hindsight and finding OBL and Al-Q cells CLEARLY should have taken precedent. In other words, the world thought SH has WMD and it via the UN and other means had been trying to eradicate terrorism in Iraq/SH for years prior to W; its actions thwarted by SH. W just took the next step and actually invaded Iraq after the prior two Presidents along with the UN unsuccessfully tried to bend SH by starving Iraq to death along with missle strikes. Which was worse the prior two or W - well who knows because they were both bad and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died.

In the end, Iraq's stubborn, insane, and terroristic leader was an enemy in the war on terror; that really cannot be contradicted. The question was and is how serious an enemy were they and was it worth all we have done to erradicate that enemy when the far more direct threat of OBL and Al-Q still looms over us. I say it was not worth it and W was an idiot and a coward for not pursuing OBL to the ends of the Earth and instead using Iraq and peoples' hatred of all Middle Eastern people as a diversion for his failure to catch OBL.

I think Stevie probably does as well based on things she has said in the past. But, I also think she correctly is saying that these soldiers are fighting for our freedom no matter how inane the powers to be here are and no matter how wrongly chosen the battle was.

Anyway - my $0.02 - and please do not fire back with I am linking SH to 9/11 or justifying W's idiotic war in Iraq. I am not doing that.

[ELIUD]

Really I don't think Stevie or her mother clearly expressed where they stand politically on the Iraq war but why it is important to keep doing the things Stevie does to help people who are suffering feel better. Plus I don't think the comments of a sleepy-headed 80-year old woman should be taken as political rhetoric when she's trying to comfort her crying 57-year old daughter in the middle of the night.

[dissention]

the war on terror

The most laughable and oxymoronic phrase in the English language.

[strandinthewind]

The most laughable and oxymoronic phrase in the English language.

Perhaps true in this administration's application and execution of it - but what is the alternative? Terrorists for the most part have no state, though a part of Al-Q had Afganistan. I mean how else do we solve this problem if terrorism is indeed a problem, which most think it is? How else do we prevent the attacks from happening, which surely must be the goal. Even if we caught ever member of Al-Q today and killed them, there are other terrorists out there. Should we not seek them out as well - and seek them out before they strike us? Terrorism from many sources is a real threat. Thus, all I am saying is it is not as cut and dry as calling the war on terror the "most laughable and oxymoronic phrase in the English language." There is a war on terrorism but it is a hard one to fight and I vehemently disagree with the way W's administration is fighting it.

[LeighB04]

However much I love reading (and occasionally contributing) to this discussion, there was a fear earlier on that this post would get political... and it has... Perhaps the discussion should be taken somewhere else and let's get back to the REAL topic of this board - La Nicks herself (without her politics!)...

[JazmenFlowers]

just more reasons to love our stevie

amen - Stevie is such an inspiration in so many aspects of my life. Thanks to her for that.

[gldstwmn]

:laugh:

I have that long letter she posted on her site before the invasion around here somewhere. That thing was incredibly well-written and articulate; she's one smart cookie.

She really is. Her parents are attornies and politically active if I remember correctly.
I am really curious to see if Lance decides to run for some kind of office in the not too distant future.

[gldstwmn]

This is where I think it gets complicated - I think the lines from her mother are for the troops. I think that La Nicks knows she cannot and should not walk into Walter Reed Hospital and announce with all of her political acumen that the war was a sham, these guys were hoodwinked, they were injured in vain, and they are fools for believing in whatever they believe that is contrary to what she believes.

Who was asking her to? :confused: Drama queen. :rolleyes: :lol:

[gldstwmn]

The most laughable and oxymoronic phrase in the English language.

Better yet, who are the terrorists? :shrug: :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

I
Finally, I know this is not popular, but the war in Iraq is directly related to the war on terror because the war on terror is broader than OBL and Al-Q. After all, OBL is not the only terrorist on the planet. In fact, SH was a terrorist. There is no question about that. SH also had attacked/invaded an American allies (Kuwaitt anbd Israel) and the sanctions etc. that eventually did him in were a result of those aggressive and terroristic acts. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that his terroristic regime fits in the enemy side of the war on terror even though SH had nothing to do with the actual attacks on 9/11 and SH had nothing to do with OBL and Al-Q.

I don't even have time right now to go over the holes in this argument.
But I'll give you points for trying to mount some type of defense. :)

[strandinthewind]

Who was asking her to? :confused: Drama queen. :rolleyes: :lol:

I was saying that she was trying to be respectful of these peoples' feelings.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Got proof?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_political_donations/Stevie_Nicks.php


Listen, know it all.. i know for a FACT that she did... i don't have ONLINE proof, but i know for a fact that she did contribute that $5000 last summer... why you must you insinuate that what i am stating is false because of what ONE website states?? annoying, you are :rolleyes:

[skcin]

:thumbsup: AMEN!


Thanks. And welcome to the board, McBoo! :wavey:

[dissention]

Listen, know it all.. i know for a FACT that she did... i don't have ONLINE proof, but i know for a fact that she did contribute that $5000 last summer... why you must you insinuate that what i am stating is false because of what ONE website states?? annoying, you are :rolleyes:

I'm simply asking for proof of her $5,000 donation to the DNC last summer. I don't give two squirts of duck shit what you think about me, the fact remains that all of the information on Newsmeat, that "ONE website" you referred to, comes directly from the Federal Elections Commission. So, the question remains: how do you know she donated $5,000 to the DNC last summer?

[LiquidBlue5000]

I'm simply asking for proof of her $5,000 donation to the DNC last summer. I don't give two squirts of duck shit what you think about me, the fact remains that all of the information on Newsmeat, that "ONE website" you referred to, comes directly from the Federal Elections Commission. So, the question remains: how do you know she donated $5,000 to the DNC last summer?


I'm not on trial here and I really don't feel like I should explain myself to you or anybody... but, I wouldn't make a statement like that if I was pulling it out of my ass... I don't do that... The point was to emphasize the fact that Stevie is a democrat who contributes to that party regularly.. would it be so far fetched to believe that she contributed $5000 last summer when looking at her past record using YOUR source? why can't you just take my word for it?? jeez :rolleyes:

[dissention]

I'm not on trial here and I really don't feel like I should explain myself to you or anybody... but, I wouldn't make a statement like that if I was pulling it out of my ass... I don't do that... The point was to emphasize the fact that Stevie is a democrat who contributes to that party regularly.. would it be so far fetched to believe that she contributed $5000 last summer when looking at her past record using YOUR source? why can't you just take my word for it?? jeez :rolleyes:

Because you stated that she donated $5,000 to the DNC when all other sources prove otherwise and I wanted to know if you had a link or a source that you could post that contained the information about her donation.

Am I calling you a liar? No. Am I saying you "pulled it out of your ass"? No. I'm just asking for a point of reference. If you can't provide one, just say so.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Because you stated that she donated $5,000 to the DNC when all other sources prove otherwise and I wanted to know if you had a link or a source that you could post that contained the information about her donation.

Am I calling you a liar? No. Am I saying you "pulled it out of your ass"? No. I'm just asking for a point of reference. If you can't provide one, just say so.


ok, have a nice day now! :wavey:

[dissention]

ok, have a nice day now! :wavey:

Will do. :thumbsup:

[glitter_fades]

I'm not on trial here and I really don't feel like I should explain myself to you or anybody... but, I wouldn't make a statement like that if I was pulling it out of my ass... I don't do that... The point was to emphasize the fact that Stevie is a democrat who contributes to that party regularly.. would it be so far fetched to believe that she contributed $5000 last summer when looking at her past record using YOUR source? why can't you just take my word for it?? jeez :rolleyes:

For what it's worth, I take your word for it. Most fans believe if the info isn't verifiable from online sources you better not post it here. I beg to differ, but it doesn't fly very often when I do. :laugh: I know Stevie's a longtime contributor to the Democratic party and also contributes to Democratic candidates for office. I also know that doesn't mean she is necessarily against what we're doing in Iraq. The ex-Dem Pres seems to be right in line with GW on justification for being in Iraq. I just wish people would stop making the 9/11 link to every current military action, but I can see Stevie and her mom not understanding the nuances of that issue. A lot of Americans, both Dem and Rep are confused by the disinformation campaign regarding our foreign policy that's been ongoing since W took office.

The point is, Stevie gave her time and her love to those hospitalized vets. I don't care what her politics are. I applaud her efforts at bringing joy to people suffering from war, whatever the reason is we are waging it. Most Americans want to forget the whole thing is happening, especially since most of it is happening "over there". Stevie's first thought is, what can I do? She is a rock star and doesn't have to do anything. She has shows to do, ya know? The fact that Stevie feels an obligation and a responsibility to her fellow Americans, and then acts upon it, she doesn't just talk about it, that's what makes her a special person to me :xoxo: not the number of Stand Back twirls she can still do at the age of 57. :nod:

[LiquidBlue5000]

The fact that Stevie feels an obligation and a responsibility to her fellow Americans, and then acts upon it, she doesn't just talk about it, that's what makes her a special person to me :xoxo: not the number or Stand Back twirls she can still do at the age of 57. :nod:


For what it's worth though, she can do more than 20 twirls at a time at the age of 57 :p :lol:

[Serrart]

For what it's worth, I take your word for it. Most fans believe if the info isn't verifiable from online sources you better not post it here. I beg to differ, but it doesn't fly very often when I do. :laugh: I know Stevie's a longtime contributor to the Democratic party and also contributes to Democratic candidates for office. I also know that doesn't mean she is necessarily against what we're doing in Iraq. The ex-Dem Pres seems to be right in line with GW on justification for being in Iraq. I just wish people would stop making the 9/11 link to every current military action, but I can see Stevie and her mom not understanding the nuances of that issue. A lot of Americans, both Dem and Rep are confused by the disinformation campaign regarding our foreign policy that's been ongoing since W took office.

The point is, Stevie gave her time and her love to those hospitalized vets. I don't care what her politics are. I applaud her efforts at bringing joy to people suffering from war, whatever the reason is we are waging it. Most Americans want to forget the whole thing is happening, especially since most of it is happening "over there". Stevie's first thought is, what can I do? She is a rock star and doesn't have to do anything. She has shows to do, ya know? The fact that Stevie feels an obligation and a responsibility to her fellow Americans, and then acts upon it, she doesn't just talk about it, that's what makes her a special person to me :xoxo: not the number or Stand Back twirls she can still do at the age of 57. :nod:

I totally agree, thanks for expressing your thoughts so well. :nod:

Romy

[henryscutter]

I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a shit what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

ITA- I'm glad Stevie isnt a flaming Liberal or flaming Conservative. All I want from a celebrity is to be entertained. I can make up my own mind without having to hear crap from Bruce Springsteen or Toby Keith. I don't give a shit what you think about President Bush just shut-up and sing :lol:

[jwd]

I agree... but please, please, please, Stevie, don't "tell the world" in another seven-minute epic song. I just cringe at the thought of "Desert Angel 2005/Freedom" medley.

:laugh: I hear ya. I think she did better with Illume though.

[jwd]

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

AMEN! :thumbsup:

[jwd]

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Originally Posted by skcin
I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a shit what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.



:thumbsup: AMEN!



Great minds think alike! I swear I didn't see your post until after I made mine. :laugh:

[Ghost_Tracker]

:laugh:

I have that long letter she posted on her site before the invasion around here somewhere. That thing was incredibly well-written and articulate; she's one smart cookie.


Yeah OKAY, uhmm, SORRY but I REALLY DO have to comment - I'll try to

be brief and nice about it - it is an emotional issue for everyone, of

course - so -

1). Stevie didn't draw a direct connection between 9/11 and

Iraq. If anything, her MOM did - at TWELVE A.M. when Stevie

had probably just woken her up. Her Mom was trying her best

to help Stevie to feel better, probably without thinking or

caring that her private remarks to her daughter might end up

being analyzed on some web site somewhere. :blob2:


2). Specifically what her Mom actually said is,

"Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s
all about her freedom and our way of life."

I'm not going to fault the woman who wrote "Desert Angel" for

repeating that opinion.

3). It seems to me that more than anything, Stevie was trying

to convey the EMOTION of her experience, and that this thing is

REAL, not just Something Happening on the TV.

GOD BLESS her for that! What other major rock star has stuck her

neck out and even TRIED??? :nod: :angel:

4). I don't recall Stevie ever, ever trying to give any kind of

opinion about Policy - just support for decisions which have already

been made and which are well beyond her control;

and support for the Troops - our fellow U.S. citizens -

who are in harm's way, or already harmed, in order to implement that

policy. All she's done here is give a little love -

Does she feel that? Every single second of the day?

I dunno. Do WE!???

So overall - she TRIED! Let's not fault her for that!

The FOUNDATION remark is certainly interesting! . . . . :wavey:


ANY-ways that's my two cents worth - feel free to auction it on

e-bay! :lol:

[mcboo]

Thanks. And welcome to the board, McBoo! :wavey:

thanks....i believe i've seen you somewhere else too! :nod:

[mcboo]

Great minds think alike! I swear I didn't see your post until after I made mine. :laugh:

LMAO ! :lol:

[skcin]

thanks....i believe i've seen you somewhere else too! :nod:


I knew mcboo sounded familiar. Mick's board, perhaps?

[Rox A Little]

Yeah OKAY, uhmm, SORRY but I REALLY DO have to comment - I'll try to

be brief and nice about it - it is an emotional issue for everyone, of

course - so -

1). Stevie didn't draw a direct connection between 9/11 and

Iraq. If anything, her MOM did - at TWELVE A.M. when Stevie

had probably just woken her up. Her Mom was trying her best

to help Stevie to feel better, probably without thinking or

caring that her private remarks to her daughter might end up

being analyzed on some web site somewhere. :blob2:


2). Specifically what her Mom actually said is,

"Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s
all about her freedom and our way of life."

I'm not going to fault the woman who wrote "Desert Angel" for

repeating that opinion.

3). It seems to me that more than anything, Stevie was trying

to convey the EMOTION of her experience, and that this thing is

REAL, not just Something Happening on the TV.

GOD BLESS her for that! What other major rock star has stuck her

neck out and even TRIED??? :nod: :angel:

4). I don't recall Stevie ever, ever trying to give any kind of

opinion about Policy - just support for decisions which have already

been made and which are well beyond her control;

and support for the Troops - our fellow U.S. citizens -

who are in harm's way, or already harmed, in order to implement that

policy. All she's done here is give a little love -

Does she feel that? Every single second of the day?

I dunno. Do WE!???

So overall - she TRIED! Let's not fault her for that!

The FOUNDATION remark is certainly interesting! . . . . :wavey:


ANY-ways that's my two cents worth - feel free to auction it on

e-bay! :lol:

Here Here!

And Yo McBoo...nice to see ya!

Rox

[Kelly]

I never thought she was a Bush supporter. And I'm well aware of her polititcal donations. You can find them here: www.newsmeat.com

Yea, I know. I have read your posts on her contributions numerous times. I was responding to the other people whe were wondering. I just combined a bunch of responses into one post separating my reply to you with a huge space. I thought the big space would make it apparent I was separating my thoughts. I guess I need to reply multiple times to the same thread and separate each and every reply.

[mcboo]

Here Here!

And Yo McBoo...nice to see ya!

Rox


hey Rox...Welcome :wavey:

[gldstwmn]

Yea, I know. I have read your posts on her contributions numerous times.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[editormarf]

I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a shit what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

Bpy--do I agree! I've been reading this thread and thinking, who cares what her political affiliation is! Can't we just love the fact that she went to see those soldiers and gave something of herself to them???
:shrug:

[jwd]

Can't we just love the fact that she went to see those soldiers and gave something of herself to them???

I certainly can.