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upontheventura
06-19-2005, 03:30 PM
Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form. Despite the album she was touring for, and her supposed state at the time, her voice is pretty damn good in the boots that I own. I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.

Hawkeye
06-19-2005, 03:35 PM
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.

upontheventura
06-19-2005, 03:41 PM
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.
Okay good, it is not just me. I am sorry to say that her voice was incredibly flat with absolutely no character- I find her unlistenable. It surprises me when people say that one of those shows is their favorites. And i have traded many, and even that Wembley show from 88 with the last version of Sara (at least for a while) Unlistenable. To me. Then you have 1994 and The Dance, and it is like a totally different person. The vibrato came back.

BirdInFlight
06-19-2005, 03:44 PM
I have audio and video of this show. IMO, it's her best performance on this tour. She was totally rockin' thru the whole set. Towards the middle of the show she tells the audience she wrote a song once called "At The Fair" and she proceeds to sing some of it, "Everything that he loved he found at the fair and the beautiful doll that he wanted...well...he should have left her there." :D

Good times. Great show.

upontheventura
06-19-2005, 04:03 PM
I have audio and video of this show. IMO, it's her best performance on this tour. She was totally rockin' thru the whole set. Towards the middle of the show she tells the audience she wrote a song once called "At The Fair" and she proceeds to sing some of it, "Everything that he loved he found at the fair and the beautiful doll that he wanted...well...he should have left her there." :D

Good times. Great show.

I would do anything if you could send me the "Stand Back" performance from that show!! I have tons of MP3's i could send!

David
06-19-2005, 05:12 PM
Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form.I have it. It's an average 1994 show.
I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.I think some of what Stevie did during those years was as detrimental to Fleetwood Mac's reputation as Lindsey once said the "Time" band personnel on tour was.

David
06-19-2005, 05:15 PM
Okay good, it is not just me. I am sorry to say that her voice was incredibly flat with absolutely no character- I find her unlistenable.So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

David
06-19-2005, 05:16 PM
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever.Not quite, but very fine, indeed.
And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.At the time, Stevie Nicks fans RAVED RAVED RAVED about them.

That's when I first thought I was going nuts.

wheart
06-19-2005, 05:26 PM
So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

krrrby
06-19-2005, 05:30 PM
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

Yeah they were sucky years, but I have to admit, I have a BTM rehearsal of Rhiannon and it sounds pretty good imo

WildInTheWind
06-19-2005, 05:31 PM
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.

I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

Welcome to the board!

upontheventura
06-19-2005, 05:36 PM
I have it. It's an average 1994 show.
I think some of what Stevie did during those years was as detrimental to Fleetwood Mac's reputation as Lindsey once said the "Time" band personnel on tour was.
David, elaborate on Lindsey's comments about the "Time" personnel....

Also, I cannot tell- did you enjoy the 87-91 performances?? I am guessing you didn't.

I mean, everyone here probably has that Pro-Shot Video from San Jose in 1989? I remember people raving about THAT. I bought the video on ebay in 1998/99 (Sorry guys I was new to this and didn't understand bootlegs and such). I thought it was HORRENDOUS. First89 show I had ever seen or heard. I mean any show that can make "Stand Back" seem awful is enough for me. Granted the video quality was great, but the SHOW? Stevie was slurring and seemed very sleepy. Her eyes were dead. Her voice? Sad. I never watched that again. And then that Mountainview California video from 1991? More of the same but not quite as bad. Thank god she made it out of all that.

wheart
06-19-2005, 05:38 PM
Welcome to the board!


Thanks!! Very happy to be here. You guys rock!

AliceLover
06-19-2005, 07:19 PM
Wow...that's amazing to hear. The first time I saw Stevie live was during the Mirror Tour and I was very disappointed. She barely moved. I have many boots of the Behind the Mask Tour and I think this is without a doubt her worst tour ever. I remember watching these videos wondering what was up with her and then found out years later than she was on klonipin so then it all made sense. Still, I can't believe anyone actually thinking the '89-'91 shows were good.
I'm new here, by the way. I've been reading all the posts for a while but never responded. Being the HUGE fan that I am, I coudn't keep quiet for long !! :)

I think they are good. Am I going to be stoned now?

AliceLover
06-19-2005, 07:23 PM
David, elaborate on Lindsey's comments about the "Time" personnel....

Also, I cannot tell- did you enjoy the 87-91 performances?? I am guessing you didn't.

I mean, everyone here probably has that Pro-Shot Video from San Jose in 1989? I remember people raving about THAT. I bought the video on ebay in 1998/99 (Sorry guys I was new to this and didn't understand bootlegs and such). I thought it was HORRENDOUS. First89 show I had ever seen or heard. I mean any show that can make "Stand Back" seem awful is enough for me. Granted the video quality was great, but the SHOW? Stevie was slurring and seemed very sleepy. Her eyes were dead. Her voice? Sad. I never watched that again. And then that Mountainview California video from 1991? More of the same but not quite as bad. Thank god she made it out of all that.

I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.

As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable. I would much rather listen to these then some TISL bootlegs.


jimmy

BirdInFlight
06-19-2005, 07:44 PM
A couple of shows from those eras stand out as really great. Live at the Greek from '89 is an awesome OSOTM show. She flat out tears the place apart and has one of my fave OTR versions ever. The Timespace show from Philly is great, too. A spirited IAF and a rockin' Rhiannon, amongst others.

But that's about it. :D

upontheventura
06-19-2005, 07:46 PM
LOL. Well I just joined this board so I don't want to be too negative. The 2001 shows weren't nearly as energetic as the Enchanted shows. That i'll say. And the RAL shows. Musically, that was my favorite tour. Vocally, Stevie was all over the map. But she had passion in her voice.

wheart
06-19-2005, 07:55 PM
A couple of shows from those eras stand out as really great. Live at the Greek from '89 is an awesome OSOTM show. She flat out tears the place apart and has one of my fave OTR versions ever. The Timespace show from Philly is great, too. A spirited IAF and a rockin' Rhiannon, amongst others.

But that's about it. :D

I agree about the Philly '91 show. I was there and got to meet her after the show but even beyond that, it was a great performance. The crowd was very much into it! I think the pro shot '89 show in San Jose was one of the better shows from that tour. Looking at Stevie now, those shows are quite different but they still hold a certain charm for me.

Nightbirdjel
06-19-2005, 08:13 PM
So I want to know what happened to all those thousands of Stevie Nicks fans who absolutely raved about those tours at the time they were occurring? You couldn't open a fan magazine in those days without reading dozens of purple-prosed raves of some show in 1989, 1990 or 1991. "Stevie looks & sounds her best ever" was the repeating refrain.

Did those people all die?

Nope, I'm still here! :lol:
I have a vinyl Westwood One radio show from the OSM tour that I believe to be phenomenal. The version of GDW on that record is the best solo version I've ever heard. I'm only speaking strictly for myself though, and realize not everyone will agree (ok, practically no one!). I saw her on that tour and yeah, she was a little hefty but her voice was fine, to me. But then again, I'm one of those unconditional kooks that could find brilliance in her farting into a microphone! :shrug: (*Puts asbestos suit on for the incoming flames*)

strandinthewind
06-19-2005, 08:18 PM
Nope, I'm still here! :lol:
I have a vinyl Westwood One radio show from the OSM tour that I believe to be phenomenal. The version of GDW on that record is the best solo version I've ever heard. I'm only speaking strictly for myself though, and realize not everyone will agree (ok, practically no one!). I saw her on that tour and yeah, she was a little hefty but her voice was fine, to me. But then again, I'm one of those unconditional kooks that could find brilliance in her farting into a microphone! :shrug: (*Puts asbestos suit on for the incoming flames*)

I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.

As an aside, I remember trying to rush the stage as I had done for the RAL tour and not being able to do so because I was too late and too far up :mad: But, I got within like ten rows so I guess that is better than nothing :cool:

Finally, I thought her voice was much worse on the TITN tour. And, while I love her, CM's voice was not good on that tour as well. I have trouble listening to those boots and rarely do because of that - well that and I did not care for Billy and Rick's voices in the blend, though I like them on their own and recognize each has a lot of talent. The TITN tour was just not that great for me :laugh:

Interestingly, La Nicks and CM both regained their voices with a vengence for The Dance; actually, Stevie had hervoice for SA, but no one or at least few would look past the weight - sad, very true.

AliceLover
06-19-2005, 08:29 PM
I agree about the Philly '91 show. I was there and got to meet her after the show but even beyond that, it was a great performance. The crowd was very much into it! I think the pro shot '89 show in San Jose was one of the better shows from that tour. Looking at Stevie now, those shows are quite different but they still hold a certain charm for me.

I do like the San Jose 89 vid a lot but I think there are even better performances from that tour. Rotterdam, Holland November 24th 1989 is great both in quality and performance. I will Say the same for the Paris, France Bootleg.

As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

Compare the Jones BEach 7-23-91 vid and the San Jose 89 vid and tell me which one she dances more on. She is like a boulder on the 91 vid.

wheart
06-19-2005, 09:41 PM
I do like the San Jose 89 vid a lot but I think there are even better performances from that tour. Rotterdam, Holland November 24th 1989 is great both in quality and performance. I will Say the same for the Paris, France Bootleg.

As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

Compare the Jones BEach 7-23-91 vid and the San Jose 89 vid and tell me which one she dances more on. She is like a boulder on the 91 vid.


I don't believe I've ever seen the TS show at the Greek Theater...Damn, I thought I've seen them all. I think the San Jose show is far better than than the pro shot Concord show (8/15). Though I believe it's intentional, she sings the last verse of OTR twice and then sings the first verse at the end. Bizarre...but she does look great on this tour

skcin
06-19-2005, 10:04 PM
The Ohio 94 show is one of my favorite boots ever. I listen to it often. :nod:

catinthedark
06-19-2005, 10:11 PM
Actually you share the opinion of most people. Despite the album it was for, The Street Angel tour was quite possibly Stevie's best ever. And OSOTM and Timespace are pretty much without much dissent her worst tours.

Best evah?

Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

stevierocks87
06-19-2005, 10:17 PM
I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.


I was actually just listening to this boot today (I didn't know you were there Jason-cool!). I, for one, LOVE it- although I've only heard the audio and haven't actually seen her on this tour. OTR is the one of the best versions I've heard, and my absolute guiltiest pleasure is the live version of "Alice". LOVE it! And "Stand Back" is boring or lifeless at all. Maybe this show was the exception rather than the rule :shrug:

:wavey:adam :wavey:

jwd
06-19-2005, 10:18 PM
Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

From what I'm hearing of all the boots of these recent shows, and now the remix version of "Dreams", I think you may be right! I am so psyched for the show in Cincinnati coming up. And to boot, the BEST seats I've ever had for any Mac or Stevie show yet. I'm gonna be one helluva happy camper on June 28th! :blob2: :blob1: :] :woohoo:

David
06-19-2005, 10:34 PM
I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.It's rock & roll, Jimmy.

Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Sly Stone, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix, Rickie Lee Jones, Johnny Rotten, David Bowie, Peter Green, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Stevie Nicks . . . virtually all the great sexual personae in rock were neurotic, wild, often bombed, living on the edge, pushing envelopes, leaping over the artistic milestones of their predecessors. They were like the great poets of the critique of Enlightenment that permeated Romanticism -- Morrison & Lennon & Bowie & Nicks are the Shelley & Keats of our time. Their achievements last, generation after generation.

To want your great rock stars to be neat, tidy, sane & sugarcoated is to want lounge performers.
As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable.Speaking of lounge performers . . . .

jwd
06-19-2005, 10:37 PM
It's rock & roll, Jimmy.

Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Mick Jagger, Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, Sly Stone, Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix, Rickie Lee Jones, Johnny Rotten, David Bowie, Peter Green, Kurt Cobain, John Lennon, Stevie Nicks . . . virtually all the great sexual personae in rock were neurotic, wild, often bombed, living on the edge, pushing envelopes, leaping over the artistic milestones of their predecessors. They were like the great poets of the critique of Enlightenment that permeated Romanticism -- Morrison & Lennon & Bowie & Nicks are the Shelley & Keats of our time. Their achievements last, generation after generation.

To want your great rock stars to be neat, tidy, sane & sugarcoated is to want lounge performers.


:thumbsup: Right on!

strandinthewind
06-19-2005, 10:42 PM
From what I'm hearing of all the boots of these recent shows, and now the remix version of "Dreams", I think you may be right! I am so psyched for the show in Cincinnati coming up. And to boot, the BEST seats I've ever had for any Mac or Stevie show yet. I'm gonna be one helluva happy camper on June 28th! :blob2: :blob1: :] :woohoo:


If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those. I think it is GREAT that she is still rockin'

David
06-19-2005, 10:43 PM
As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.I saw her at Concord Pavilion & she absolutely sucked. She was toneless & off key all night, had none of her previously so captivating vibrato or commitment, her band was ear-splittingly assaultive, like a headbanger band, & everybody -- Stevie most of all -- was dressed in really stupid shmata.

Not a thing had changed a few nights later at Shoreline. I sat through these awful, awful shows in extreme agitation & disconsolation: "Where has my Stevie Nicks gone?" I asked myself ten-thousand times. "What is this blank creature -- this automaton -- in her stead?"

jwd
06-19-2005, 10:48 PM
If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those. I think it is GREAT that she is still rockin'

I saw her on those tours too strandie, so I'll let you know after June 28th, if being "sober" is a good thing! :D

David
06-19-2005, 10:48 PM
If I have said it once I have said it a million times, starting in Vegas, this tour has the energy of WH and a little of RAL, yet she is sober compared to those.I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

strandinthewind
06-19-2005, 10:53 PM
I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

I think she will never have the energy she had 20 + years ago so it is a little unfair for me to compare her to that. It for me is just that at these shows, she is playful, coy, chatty, and dancy - that is what reminds me of the WH tour, but she is most certainly not jumping off of the stage onto a speaker at the US Festival :laugh:

jwd
06-19-2005, 10:55 PM
I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

DAVID DOWNER! :]

BirdInFlight
06-19-2005, 11:14 PM
I saw her in Houston for the OSM tour - she was high as a kite and moved only a little. I remember thinking she was singing okay - in fact fine or great in some areas - but she looked so wasted I was very nervous for her and worried she might pull a Bette M. in The Rose. Thank goodness she cleaned up her act.

I was front row at the Houston OSOTM show. When she walked the stage during EO17 we locked eyes for a few seconds and it was at that moment I realized "nobody was home" in Stevieville. She had a totally lost look and I was really taken aback by that. However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.

strandinthewind
06-19-2005, 11:18 PM
I was front row at the Houston OSOTM show. When she walked the stage during EO17 we locked eyes for a few seconds and it was at that moment I realized "nobody was home" in Stevieville. She had a totally lost look and I was really taken aback by that. However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.

I do not remember it being filmed. I am thinking now that maybe I saw it in Dallas but was supposed to go to Houston. In fact, I just checked as I am at my parent's house with all my old Stevie stuff and I did in fact see her in Dallas - I have no clue why I thought it was Houston - old age maybe :laugh: But, rest assured, though she was physically in it, she was indeed too far from apparently all of Texas :laugh:

jwd
06-19-2005, 11:21 PM
she was indeed too far from apparently all of Texas

:lol: Classic dude, classic! :thumbsup:

Hawkeye
06-19-2005, 11:48 PM
Best evah?

Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

Seeing her this Saturday, so thats VERY encouraging to me :thumbsup:

ontheEdgeof17
06-19-2005, 11:48 PM
Seeing her this Saturday, so thats VERY encouraging to me :thumbsup:


Me, too. :)

Hawkeye
06-19-2005, 11:55 PM
I guess I am the opposite. i think the RAL shows are unlistenable. She slurs, screams, and talks through all the songs. Ad-Libs keys, misses her que's on when to come into songs. I feel bad for her when I watch this tour, she was on sooo much cocane.

As for 89 tour, I think Houston, Rotterdam and Paris are all listenable. I would much rather listen to these then some TISL bootlegs.


jimmy

YES TOTAL opposites. For me Stevie adlibing and sluring on the RAL tour is just awseome. Im so not saying I want her to return to doing that now, what shes doing now is perfect for her, but im so happy we have that era captured in time to live on, as it is in some ways her best ever. Incomprehendable Stevie is absolutely my favorite. RAL tour was her Janis Joplin tour.

And I'd like to add that I think her TISL tour was one of her worst tours too, possibly worse then the 89-91 tours. And I remember her getting some raves from fans on that tour too. So I hope all the talk about this current tour being a return to 94, i hope it aint all hot air. I'll see Saturday.

Glittermoondust
06-20-2005, 12:24 AM
YES TOTAL opposites. For me Stevie adlibing and sluring on the RAL tour is just awseome. Im so not saying I want her to return to doing that now, what shes doing now is perfect for her, but im so happy we have that era captured in time to live on, as it is in some ways her best ever. Incomprehendable Stevie is absolutely my favorite. RAL tour was her Janis Joplin tour.

And I'd like to add that I think her TISL tour was one of her worst tours too, possibly worse then the 89-91 tours. And I remember her getting some raves from fans on that tour too. So I hope all the talk about this current tour being a return to 94, i hope it aint all hot air. I'll see Saturday.

Hmmmm--I wonder why no one liked the TISL tour?? That was one of my all time favorites--I loved the songs that she sang--she was on fire during FFG--and I just loved seeing her with Sheryl Crow--and yes I like Sheryl Crow--okay--I can already hear everybody groan :lol: While I also liked the Enchanted set list she definitely was not on fire--at least not for our show in Detroit.......a friend who is a casual fan was like--she looks like she is anchored to that one spot on the floor :rolleyes: but I did have to agree--she barely moved at all that night........ The show last night was also a favorite--maybe because it was kind of different--but she was smokin' last night!! And I got to shake her hand--so maybe I'm a little biased because of that.....and I will never forget Hotel California!! plus I'm still on a Stevie high :) :) :)

Amy

Johnny Stew
06-20-2005, 02:08 AM
I have a vinyl Westwood One radio show from the OSM tour that I believe to be phenomenal.She sounded pretty good on the '89 and '91 Westwood One broadcasts, I thought... but on other shows on those tours... well, not as good.

The version of GDW on that record is the best solo version I've ever heard.Oddly enough, that's actually one of my favorite versions, too. It's kind of weird and witchy, and I really dig it.

Johnny Stew
06-20-2005, 02:11 AM
However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.Maybe you can answer a question I've had for years... was "Two Kinds Of Love" really filmed that night, too?
From your comment, it sounds like it was.

I had heard YEARS ago that both songs were filmed, but then never heard a single mention of that again. :shrug:

AliceLover
06-20-2005, 02:39 AM
I saw her at Concord Pavilion & she absolutely sucked. She was toneless & off key all night, had none of her previously so captivating vibrato or commitment, her band was ear-splittingly assaultive, like a headbanger band, & everybody -- Stevie most of all -- was dressed in really stupid shmata.

Not a thing had changed a few nights later at Shoreline. I sat through these awful, awful shows in extreme agitation & disconsolation: "Where has my Stevie Nicks gone?" I asked myself ten-thousand times. "What is this blank creature -- this automaton -- in her stead?"

David,

How were you not expecting that?? I know for a fact you saw her in 89 arin Cali and on the BTM tour in 90. She moved a lot less on the kmask tour than the TS tour. I don't understand why you would be so surprised asking yourself all that.

AliceLover
06-20-2005, 02:41 AM
I was actually just listening to this boot today (I didn't know you were there Jason-cool!). I, for one, LOVE it- although I've only heard the audio and haven't actually seen her on this tour. OTR is the one of the best versions I've heard, and my absolute guiltiest pleasure is the live version of "Alice". LOVE it! And "Stand Back" is boring or lifeless at all. Maybe this show was the exception rather than the rule :shrug:

:wavey:adam :wavey:

AGREED! :)

glitter_fades
06-20-2005, 04:12 AM
I saw her on those tours too strandie, so I'll let you know after June 28th, if being "sober" is a good thing! :D

Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

BombaySapphire3
06-20-2005, 06:24 AM
I had second row seats at the Greek in '89 and I thought she gave a decent performance ."Alice"was especially memorable .She even managed to roll her eyes reacting to a couple of buffons about to get into a fight to my immediate left.However when she did her promennade at the end of Edge I shook her hand and looked into her eyes and knew there was something very wrong .My friend that was with me that night had seen her in Costa Mesa a few nights before and has said she barely moved or spoke then except when one of her rings came up missing.By the time of the Street Angel tour she'd been off the Klonopin for 6 months or so and it showed in her performance.I would however prefer to forget that her career ever descended to the state fair circuit and if it starts heading that way again I'd rather see her just retire before it happens.

BirdInFlight
06-20-2005, 08:11 AM
Maybe you can answer a question I've had for years... was "Two Kinds Of Love" really filmed that night, too?
From your comment, it sounds like it was.

I had heard YEARS ago that both songs were filmed, but then never heard a single mention of that again. :shrug:

Actually the whole show was filmed. Stevie did a radio interview from her limo en route to the venue. She said the show was going to be filmed so they could get great audience shots. She wasn't kidding. Cameras were everywhere and especially during NSW one camera was focused on me as I sang along to the song. I hope that video never makes it out! :eek:

Anyhoo, she went thru the entire show. There was about a 20 minute break then she came back out and re-sang TKOL. Why? I dunno. Once was enough for me. But yeah, it was filmed. Then another 20 minute break. Then she did WLT four more times to get all the angles, etc. The next day she came back to the venue for her infamous close-up shots.

Kelly
06-20-2005, 08:31 AM
Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.



Seriously.

I realize that people have differing opinions on what makes a good Stevie performance. However..being sober is always a good thing for her.

After seeing her twice in the last two weeks, it is obvious to me that this is not the same woman who I saw on the
Dance/Enchanted/Tisl/SYW tours. Jason has even commented that she reminds him of WH/RAL Stevie in terms of energy, playfulness, confidence, dancing. Hmm.

upontheventura
06-20-2005, 09:22 AM
I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

Oh David. I have found my compadre at the Ledge. lol . You like the Stevie I like. Shrieking like a banchee on stage head banging. Missing cues and doing whatever she wants. With the exception of the utter embarrassment that was the Red Rocks show- the unedited version- even I can't listen to THAT.

As far as the Vegas shows- I wasn't there, I only have the boots from the DVD audio at DimeAdozen- those shows are doing nothing for me vocally. BATB was phenomenal, but Stevie's voice reminds me of the TISL tour. She sounds very tired. I was really surprised after reading all these phenomenal reviews.
But then we have these Don Henley shows- THESE are fantastic in my opinion. I think Stevie is rocking 100% more here than those Vegas shows. I am really enjoying these.

jwd
06-20-2005, 09:42 AM
Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

If that's the standard of sobriety we're using, then yea, Stevie is definitely better off sober. I don't think anyone wants Stevie to be "drugged out" again. We all know that that is not good for anyone. It's just that in terms of her performance, a lot of people like the days when she was "drugged out" and gave more of a rocking performance. These days it seems like she has that back again, at least to an extent, without being incoherent. And in my book that is definitely a good thing. Could be Stevie is drawing her inspiration from a natural high(the best kind). :)

David
06-20-2005, 11:53 AM
Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.When I saw her at the Pond in 2003 or at Irvine Meadows in 2001, she could easily have fallen off the stage, too -- IF she had bothered moving!

Nobody's gonna fall off a stage just standing there!

catinthedark
06-20-2005, 11:59 AM
When I saw her at the Pond in 2003 or at Irvine Meadows in 2001, she could easily have fallen off the stage, too -- IF she had bothered moving!

Nobody's gonna fall off a stage just standing there!

This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

David
06-20-2005, 11:59 AM
Oh David. I have found my compadre at the Ledge. lol . You like the Stevie I like. Shrieking like a banchee on stage head banging. Missing cues and doing whatever she wants.I think the "Stevie" one is drawn to is the "Stevie" one was originally exposed to. In my case, that would be the figure that sort of resembled the Bette Midler character doing "Midnight in Memphis" in "The Rose."
But then we have these Don Henley shows- THESE are fantastic in my opinion. I think Stevie is rocking 100% more here than those Vegas shows. I am really enjoying these.Maybe Tiff & Tammy will see me yet at the show in California. I dunno. I've been walking out of Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac concerts for many years now, when not just skipping them entirely. Something would have to draw me out there . . . like a free hot dog.

David
06-20-2005, 12:12 PM
This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?I think so. That's what everybody here said at the time. I listen to you guys.

But was her hip sore for "Live in Boston"? or for the 2001 shows at Irvine, Santa Barbara or Universal City? or for the 1990 Mac show at Oakland? I've seen lots of stolid Stevie over the years, & I would hate to think she has injured her hip fifty times.
Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.The respect people give her is a sociological concern (people admire her, people love her, people want her to be safe or happy, people identify themselves with her, etc.), not an aesthetic one. When I go see a play, I don't worry about whether I respect the actors or the director in & of itself -- only insofar as they are creating good art or at least entertainment. I argue with Steve MacDougall a bunch about sociology vs. aesthetics. Ain't that right, Steve?

(I'm so consistently aesthetic-minded that I can very freely & sometimes even blithely criticize everybody in the Fleetwood Mac band, or praise them to the skies. But it always seems to be about a vocal or a performance or a physical demeanor, because what happens on stage or screen is a complete aesthetic experience & the performer's looks are elemental. I can also wax sociological about them, but I prefer doing so less & less as time drags on & on -- like lyric interpretations or digging into romance dynamics or analyzing the revelatory nature of subtext. I almost never do this.)

catinthedark
06-20-2005, 12:26 PM
The respect people give her is a sociological concern (people admire her, people love her, people want her to be safe or happy, people identify themselves with her, etc.), not an aesthetic one. When I go see a play, I don't worry about whether I respect the actors or the director in & of itself -- only insofar as they are creating good art or at least entertainment. I argue with Steve MacDougall a bunch about sociology vs. aesthetics. Ain't that right, Steve?

Okay. I'm not sure I get the point you're making (again, not being snarky - just honest). I think it's different to go see actors and actresses on stage and talk about whether they are creating art nor not, and looking at the history of Stevie's career and health, and where she was in the 80s and where she is today. It's more than aesthetic, I agree. Is that a bad thing? I'd give that kind of respect to anyone who came back from the kind of drug abuse she did to the state of health she's at today.

David
06-20-2005, 12:45 PM
Okay. I'm not sure I get the point you're making (again, not being snarky - just honest). I think it's different to go see actors and actresses on stage and talk about whether they are creating art nor not, and looking at the history of Stevie's career and health, and where she was in the 80s and where she is today.Aesthetically, I loved where she was in the '80s. My concern back then was an artistic concern, & it really still is today.
It's more than aesthetic, I agree. Is that a bad thing?It's not inherently good or bad. Just different. It tends to prevent me & some others from seeing eye to eye, or even understanding one another, when we're talking about certain things. But this is the Age of Troubled Communication, so what the hell.
I'd give that kind of respect to anyone who came back from the kind of drug abuse she did to the state of health she's at today.I have no more respect for Stevie's rehabilitation than I do for that of hundreds of other people. And I very strongly tend to separate my personal feelings for Stevie (which might include respect or admiration or even attraction) from my aesthetic response to her. I respect some things about my family & friends & even myself, because that respect is a by-product of love & closeness. I neither love nor feel close to Stevie -- or at least only in the verbally loose sense of "I love this song" or "I love the way she sang that part."

I'm trying to remember whether I felt any differently about her back when I was newly turned on to her, but I can't really remember. Age does that!

glitter_fades
06-20-2005, 12:46 PM
Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.


Huh? :confused:

GypsyRemain
06-20-2005, 12:51 PM
Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form. Despite the album she was touring for, and her supposed state at the time, her voice is pretty damn good in the boots that I own. I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.


I was at this concert and I have to say I loved it because there was little to no security, and I went with my best friend from college and we met Chris Nicks, and he was very funny and wouldnt get me to Stevie but gave me a hat with her name on it and I had also been able to give her a white bear I dressed up for the show, I saw this thread and it immediately inspired me to think back to that magical night for me and my friend 8-)))))))))))))))) :rolleyes:

strandinthewind
06-20-2005, 01:24 PM
This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

I agree - she apparently has turned her life around several time despite numerous set backs. I also think she was a trooper for sticking it out on the FM tour because to me it was obvious she was in pain or whatever symptoms the menopause was causing. I think that was just one more indication of her loyalty to FM.

catinthedark
06-20-2005, 03:44 PM
Huh? :confused:

What don't you get? If you saw her on the SYW tour, and you've seen her either in Vegas or on the current leg of this tour, there's a big difference. Ain't rocket science! :laugh:

catinthedark
06-20-2005, 03:45 PM
I agree - she apparently has turned her life around several time despite numerous set backs. I also think she was a trooper for sticking it out on the FM tour because to me it was obvious she was in pain or whatever symptoms the menopause was causing. I think that was just one more indication of her loyalty to FM.

Excellent point.

catinthedark
06-20-2005, 03:51 PM
I have no more respect for Stevie's rehabilitation than I do for that of hundreds of other people. And I very strongly tend to separate my personal feelings for Stevie (which might include respect or admiration or even attraction) from my aesthetic response to her. I respect some things about my family & friends & even myself, because that respect is a by-product of love & closeness. I neither love nor feel close to Stevie -- or at least only in the verbally loose sense of "I love this song" or "I love the way she sang that part."

Ah. Okay. The lightbulb has come on. :lol:

We just have differeing opinions about respect. I can, and do, have respect for many people I don't know personally. I have the same respect for those thousands you mention as I do for Stevie. It's just that I haven't followed the course of their abuse (at least the public side of it) and the course of their rehabilitation and recovery (or at least the public side of it) the way I have Stevie's. I don't pretend or purport to know any more about her than what I see publically. But I don't need to know her personally to have respect for her or admire her. Or love her music. :nod:

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:16 PM
I do like the San Jose 89 vid a lot but I think there are even better performances from that tour. Rotterdam, Holland November 24th 1989 is great both in quality and performance. I will Say the same for the Paris, France Bootleg.

The Holland show is my favorite from that tour.

As for the TS tour. I think that the Philly show is great. Great in performance. I think the best show from that tour is 8-17-91 at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. She really put on an excellent performace and it is my favorite bootleg from the Timespace tour.

You should have seen her in MA on that tour. I was, what, 11 or 12? And I still knew she was awful. It was very disappointing. The boot just surfaced last year and listeing to it again after so long reminded me of how disappointed I was.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:17 PM
Best evah?

Go catch her these days, man. She's blowing away her entire past solo touring career.

:laugh:

No way.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:19 PM
I was front row at the Houston OSOTM show. When she walked the stage during EO17 we locked eyes for a few seconds and it was at that moment I realized "nobody was home" in Stevieville. She had a totally lost look and I was really taken aback by that. However, she did manage to re-do TKOL and re-do WLT about 4 more times in a row so that the video could be filmed.

That Houston boot is depressing. Listless listless listless.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:22 PM
Hmmmm--I wonder why no one liked the TISL tour?? That was one of my all time favorites--I loved the songs that she sang--she was on fire during FFG--and I just loved seeing her with Sheryl Crow--and yes I like Sheryl Crow--okay--I can already hear everybody groan :lol: While I also liked the Enchanted set list she definitely was not on fire--at least not for our show in Detroit.......a friend who is a casual fan was like--she looks like she is anchored to that one spot on the floor :rolleyes: but I did have to agree--she barely moved at all that night........ The show last night was also a favorite--maybe because it was kind of different--but she was smokin' last night!! And I got to shake her hand--so maybe I'm a little biased because of that.....and I will never forget Hotel California!! plus I'm still on a Stevie high :) :) :)

Amy

I love Sheryl Crow and seeing her on the TISL tour was a real highlight. There were even times when her presence overshadowed Stevie because Stevie was so reserved and didn't seem to be into the show one bit. That's my problem with that tour; she seemed bored. The band was also dull and the songs had no kick. Sheryl coming out onstage injected some life into the proceedings.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:25 PM
I think the "Stevie" one is drawn to is the "Stevie" one was originally exposed to. In my case, that would be the figure that sort of resembled the Bette Midler character doing "Midnight in Memphis" in "The Rose."


Very good comparison. I've been saying for ages that she needs to sing that song, too.

ontheEdgeof17
06-20-2005, 04:25 PM
I love Sheryl Crow and seeing her on the TISL tour was a real highlight. There were even times when her presence overshadowed Stevie because Stevie was so reserved and didn't seem to be into the show one bit. That's my problem with that tour; she seemed bored. The band was also dull and the songs had no kick. Sheryl coming out onstage injected some life into the proceedings.


I enjoyed Sheryl in Stevie's set EXCEPT for the TFFT and INTK duets. I like TFFT, but not on stage and NOT with Sheryl. I Need To Know was terrible. Sheryl sounded like her titties were being tweaked. "Who would have thought I'd fall for his LiiiiiEEEEESSSSS?" Screech! Oy!

strandinthewind
06-20-2005, 04:27 PM
I love Sheryl Crow and seeing her on the TISL tour was a real highlight. There were even times when her presence overshadowed Stevie because Stevie was so reserved and didn't seem to be into the show one bit. That's my problem with that tour; she seemed bored. The band was also dull and the songs had no kick. Sheryl coming out onstage injected some life into the proceedings.


I have to wonder how much of TISL she was sick for. I, too, thought she was rather dull on stage, though there were some good moments. I was just expecting a performance like the ones I saw for the Enchanted Tour and it was just not there. I know at the Jones Beach and PNC shows I saw, I remember thinking she sounded sick and she indeed got very sick soon thereafter and never really got over it. She was into the Jones Beach show and during Dreams went off on a tangent at the end and then explained that the Mac was working in LA and she was chanelling them or something like that. Who knows in the end.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:29 PM
I enjoyed Sheryl in Stevie's set EXCEPT for the TFFT and INTK duets. I like TFFT, but not on stage and NOT with Sheryl.

That song sucks. Period.

I Need To Know was terrible. Sheryl sounded like her titties were being tweaked. "Who would have thought I'd fall for his LiiiiiEEEEESSSSS?" Screech! Oy!

As opposed to Stevie sounding as if someone was throttling her throat during Every Day Is A Winding Road? :laugh: Homegirl was painful on that one. It didn't help that Sheryl had lots of energy and Stevie just stood there.

skcin
06-20-2005, 04:45 PM
And I'd like to add that I think her TISL tour was one of her worst tours too, possibly worse then the 89-91 tours. And I remember her getting some raves from fans on that tour too.


I think it's hard to judge until you see her/hear her again. After I walked out of the TISL show at Blossom in '01, I was sure it was the best show she'd ever done. Mind you, it was my first solo Stevie show & I was about 30 rows back. :D

Seeing/hearing the bootlegs later, of course - eh. :shrug: Not awful, but not the best ever, either. Like I mentioned before, when I come out of a show, I'm on a high, I'm excited, I just had a great time - I have never left a Stevie/Mac show & thought "that sucked." I don't think many of us have, besides Diss, of course. ;)

But later on, you hear/see the boots & you find that things were not exactly as you recalled they were. How many people have claimed she hit a note & you later find out she didn't? Or spun 18 times when it was actually 6? It's all a matter of opinion, and it's a matter of what your mind is seeing/hearing live vs. replaying it 50 times at home.

Maybe live on the TM tour she sounded fine to the audience live & they walked out proclaiming it was an awesome show; we know from hearing the boots she was out of tune at least some of the time. Just like TISL - I didn't lie or try to sugar coat anything when I wrote my review & said it was the best show ever - to me, at that time, after just seeing it live, it really was.

That being said, of course I think the Pittsburgh show I saw last week was the best show ever! ;) Seriously, though, it will be great, you will have a blast & Stevie will not disappoint you.

ontheEdgeof17
06-20-2005, 04:47 PM
As opposed to Stevie sounding as if someone was throttling her throat during Every Day Is A Winding Road? :laugh: Homegirl was painful on that one. It didn't help that Sheryl had lots of energy and Stevie just stood there.


We should just be glad they didn't whip out Leather and Lace.

dissention
06-20-2005, 04:57 PM
We should just be glad they didn't whip out Leather and Lace.

:laugh:

That could have been fun, c'mon!

Rickypt
06-20-2005, 05:04 PM
I have never left a Stevie/Mac show & thought "that sucked." I don't think many of us have, besides Diss, of course. ;)

I have three times:

1. Cow Palace, TITN tour, 12/87

2. Shoreline, OTOTM tour, 10/89

3. Concord Pavilion, SYW tour, 6/04

amber
06-20-2005, 05:12 PM
3. Concord Pavilion, SYW tour, 6/04
Ohnoyoudidn't! You didn't just Diss my magical birthday show! :mad: :lol:

skcin
06-20-2005, 05:21 PM
I have three times:

1. Cow Palace, TITN tour, 12/87

2. Shoreline, OTOTM tour, 10/89

3. Concord Pavilion, SYW tour, 6/04


OK, I stand corrected. :rolleyes: Only Rickypt & Diss would say it.

Waits for everyone else to chime in about how many shows they saw sucked....

Rickypt
06-20-2005, 05:31 PM
Ohnoyoudidn't! You didn't just Diss my magical birthday show! :mad: :lol:

I hope you enjoyed it and that it was truly magical for you! :xoxo:

And happy upcoming birthday :woohoo:

amber
06-20-2005, 05:33 PM
I hope you enjoyed it and that it was truly magical for you! :xoxo:
Well, it was, until you said that!!! :mad: :lol: :laugh:
Actually, Concord was great - I thought the sound wasn't as good in San Jose, but it still didn't suck.

AliceLover
06-20-2005, 11:05 PM
The Holland show is my favorite from that tour.



You should have seen her in MA on that tour. I was, what, 11 or 12? And I still knew she was awful. It was very disappointing. The boot just surfaced last year and listeing to it again after so long reminded me of how disappointed I was.

Thanks for hosting that Holland show so long ago on your web page. Thats how Alice became my favorite. Thanks so much!

My mom went to that MA show. She said it wasn't that bad and her versions of SB and EO17 were her favorite.

catinthedark
06-21-2005, 12:34 AM
:laugh:

No way.


Way.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

dissention
06-21-2005, 12:39 AM
Way.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Nothing, to me, will ever top some of her performances from the eighties (and some of those Street Angel performances). :o She was a true rock star back then. Nowadays, she's simply a classy lady that dabbles in a little slowed down rock and roll here and there without doing one more thing than she has to.

catinthedark
06-21-2005, 12:42 AM
Nothing, to me, will ever top some of her performances from the eighties (and some of those Street Angel performances). :o She was a true rock star back then. Nowadays, she's simply a classy lady that dabbles in a little slowed down rock and roll here and there without doing one more thing than she has to.

Have you seen her on this tour? Because I honestly don't think you could make that assessment if you had. I respect your feelings about her 80s performances, and I respectfully disagree, having seen both the OSOTM and SA tours. But that's fine - to each his and her own. I'm not at all saying you're wrong. But, I do disagree with your assessment of her current performances.

dissention
06-21-2005, 12:57 AM
Have you seen her on this tour? Because I honestly don't think you could make that assessment if you had.

No, I only have the video clips and audio boots to go by. And, for the most part, they don't wow me like they wow everyone else. Circle Dance does and that's about it, though I do like the fact that she's actually singing like she cares for the first time in years. I liked Beauty and the Beast from Vegas, too.

I respect your feelings about her 80s performances, and I respectfully disagree, having seen both the OSOTM and SA tours. But that's fine - to each his and her own. I'm not at all saying you're wrong. But, I do disagree with your assessment of her current performances.

Yeah, when I mentioned her eighties performances, I was talking about the amazing ones from the OSOTM tour. :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

BD, TWH, and RAL were Stevie at her prime. In no way will she ever be able to surpass those years, especially nowadays. That's just how I feel.

AliceLover
06-21-2005, 01:45 AM
IMO i don't think she is dancing as much on this current tour than the SYW tour. I was expecting some grinding with waddy on SB and some dancing at the end of edge but all we got were twirls. And she didnt come over to the right side of the stage on the interlude to OTR/DREAMS. Not much on Enchanted.At least on the SYW tour she shuffled.

sparky
06-21-2005, 01:58 AM
BD, TWH, and RAL were Stevie at her prime. In no way will she ever be able to surpass those years, especially nowadays. That's just how I feel.

BATB was a wonder to behold in Vegas. Perhaps the best performance I have ever seen her do. The rest of the show, save SB, was above average, but not stellar. After the Klonopin days, and everything else, the bar is simply lowered. You are right, even without being there. On most songs, she does no more than she HAS to. That is what drives me out of my f*cking mind. Of course, cue everyone to say how much she has been through, how she is 57, blah de blah de f*ing blah blah. Whatever. I know she could probably blow the roof of a joint for 90 minutes straight if she WANTED to. I think she just can't be bothered. But then again, I am not living in her body. I just wish she had the spririt of Tina Turner. But frankly, she never did. When she showed that nuttiness and fire, she was either doing one third of the singing or blown out of her gourd on coke. :laugh:

BTW, as I have said before, Stevie has always been a notoriously inconsistent performer. Brilliant one night, a disaster the next. All one has to do is read reviews from the 70's and 80's to know that (if you weren't lucky enough to be there, that is...)

upontheventura
06-21-2005, 06:16 AM
I love Sheryl Crow and seeing her on the TISL tour was a real highlight. There were even times when her presence overshadowed Stevie because Stevie was so reserved and didn't seem to be into the show one bit. That's my problem with that tour; she seemed bored. The band was also dull and the songs had no kick. Sheryl coming out onstage injected some life into the proceedings.

I have to agree with you on the TISL tour. I payed $1000.00 for two 7th row "VIP" seats and the girl I took (and who was also at the Enchanted show- and who LOVED that Enchanted Mansfield/Tweeter Center show, as did I) said "What was wrong with Stevie?". I really felt like a i blew that money. lol. And I have the 2001 boot from Mansfield, and Stevie sounded not her best. And i remember someone at the Atlantic City show saying how awful they thought she sounded at the Camden show one or two days later. I must say, Stevie's performance at the Trump Taj Mahal was pretty decent. Especially considering it was 4 days after September 11th.

Kelly
06-21-2005, 09:13 AM
I have seen a couple shows this tour and I would not say she is on par with BellaDonna/Wild Heart Stevie. Really not even close. She is dramtically different from TISL/SYW Stevie so that is why she seems so great. However, I still think she is hit or miss. She "seems" more energetic and looks happy but the wild, crazy abandon of Wild Heart is long gone. Even the SA tour was better, IMO. (vocally and energy wise) I agree she looks up, happy, energetic, outgoing, dancy and seems confident compared to SYW/TISL and even Enchanted Stevie and it is a refreshing change. (why she has changed and how long it will last is another story)


BTW...the TISL show in AC was great compared to the boring Camden show. She was REALLY trying to bring people up. She made a choice to go out there and try to forget and lift peoples spirits that night. The pain in her eyes was still there but she tried to look happy and into the show and she did a damn good job. It sort of reminds me of what she is like now...trying really hard ...smile on her face.....determined to put on a good "show" but something still felt really off to me, especially when I looked into her eyes up close during the Edge Walk. (just my opinion...no one has to agree)

AliceLover
06-21-2005, 09:31 AM
I have seen a couple shows this tour and I would not say she is on par with BellaDonna/Wild Heart Stevie. Really not even close. She is dramtically different from TISL/SYW Stevie so that is why she seems so great. However, I still think she is hit or miss. She "seems" more energetic and looks happy but the wild, crazy abandon of Wild Heart is long gone. Even the SA tour was better, IMO. (vocally and energy wise) I agree she looks up, happy, energetic, outgoing, dancy and seems confident compared to SYW/TISL and even Enchanted Stevie and it is a refreshing change. (why she has changed and how long it will last is another story)


BTW...the TISL show in AC was great compared to the boring Camden show. She was REALLY trying to bring people up. She made a choice to go out there and try to forget and lift peoples spirits that night. The pain in her eyes was still there but she tried to look happy and into the show and she did a damn good job. It sort of reminds me of what she is like now...trying really hard ...smile on her face.....determined to put on a good "show" but something still felt really off to me, especially when I looked into her eyes up close during the Edge Walk. (just my opinion...no one has to agree)

In Mansfield I looked right into her eyes and her smile looked kind of fake. She didn't except any gifts. The most attention she gave was to the little girl next to me and she just bent her head down towars hers. She still did shake a lot of hands tho and appeared to be having a great time but im not sure.

Dreammms
06-21-2005, 10:06 AM
In Mansfield I looked right into her eyes and her smile looked kind of fake. She didn't except any gifts. The most attention she gave was to the little girl next to me and she just bent her head down towars hers. She still did shake a lot of hands tho and appeared to be having a great time but im not sure.

see i really loved the mansfield 2001. probably cause that is the first time i got to be VERY close to the stage. so i was just in awe being so close to her. the other shows i went to before that i was sitting in like 30th row or something.

upontheventura
06-21-2005, 12:30 PM
see i really loved the mansfield 2001. probably cause that is the first time i got to be VERY close to the stage. so i was just in awe being so close to her. the other shows i went to before that i was sitting in like 30th row or something.

We rushed the stage and the girl I was with shook Stevie's hand and she still said "What's wrong with Stevie?" lol
That show was funny! The whole front row was supposedly "fan club members"?? Everyone (and these were big Stevie fans) had never heard of this fan club - at the time. And no one at the Nickfix knew anything about this either. Does anybody know about this? ANd this one lady "fan club member" in the front row FLIPPED OUT! when the stage rush happened, she could not beleive that we ran up and blocked her front row view!! She started yelling and left right before Stevie came out for the encore. It was a classic.