Stupid question, but I'm a bit out of touch [Archive]

go6car

05-27-2005, 04:12 PM

Tango

05-27-2005, 04:18 PM

About the tour(s)...

Other than the obvious (Don not being there), could someone fill me in on what the major differences would be between the tours? Like, If i go to a Stevie/Don show and then a few weeks later go to her solo show, am I seeing the same show?

(I'll see her if she's just drinking coffee. However, it's my dear hubby that's asking, lol. So this will be the difference of him going with me, or me dragging one of my girlfriends to go!)

Thanks for any help!

Tell him there will be no Don Henley songs and more Stevie songs. :laugh: Nah, that's TOO obvious. Most folks figure Stevie's solo show will be close, if not exact, to her Vegas set list. No one's going to know for sure unless Taku, or someone else in the band leaks it, or until the first show happens. No one has said whether or not Lori Nicks will be coming. Jessica should have the summer off, maybe making it possible that Lori will be coming along.

LiquidBlue5000

05-27-2005, 04:26 PM

About the tour(s)...

Other than the obvious (Don not being there), could someone fill me in on what the major differences would be between the tours? Like, If i go to a Stevie/Don show and then a few weeks later go to her solo show, am I seeing the same show?

(I'll see her if she's just drinking coffee. However, it's my dear hubby that's asking, lol. So this will be the difference of him going with me, or me dragging one of my girlfriends to go!)

Thanks for any help!

I don't think there will be much difference between the Don/Stevie shows vs. just the Stevie shows.. they are sharing the stage, so it should be the same show... but if it's different, then thats even better!

Tango

05-27-2005, 04:31 PM

A bit more- here is the Vegas set list, typed out by Spy note:

Bootylicious (intro music from Destiny's Child)
Dreams (new dance remix)
Enchanted
Stop Draggin' My Heart Around
Outside the Rain
Dreams
Rhiannon (w/ piano intro)
Sorcerer
Stand Back
Landslide
Gold Dust Woman
If Anyone Falls
Fall From Grace
How Still My Love
Drum Solo
Edge of Seventeen
I Need to Know (encore)
Beauty and the Beast (encore)

BUT- the Vegas show was limited in terms of time. Maybe there will be a couple more songs.

Livia

05-27-2005, 04:51 PM

GardenStateGirlie

05-27-2005, 04:57 PM

According to Taku:

http://www.takuhirano.com/MamboV4.5-Stable-1.0.9/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&Itemid=28&func=view&id=22&catid=5

Don and Stevie's sets will each be about an hour - then Stevie will add more songs to her set for the solo shows.

On a sidenote: he avoided answering the question about FM "throwing in the towel."

PLUS, if they end up singing Leather and Lace and Highwayman together, we can add those in to that. I guess that means they'd be in her set then :shrug: Leather and Lace I could take or leave but Highwayman would be cool to hear.

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 05:02 PM

Her set will start out with Enchanted...leaving off the two songs that are not sung live.

Don will do his normals, too

I'm sure after her set, they will do one or two duets. I'd like to have a Don song as a duet, too. :nod:

Livia

05-27-2005, 05:09 PM

"Don't know the exact length of time but somewhere around (or a little over) an hour. The setlists are still in flux. She will perform a few songs with Henley's band, and Henley will perform a few songs with the Stevie band in addition their individual sets. Once Stevie carries onto her solo dates, her show will obviously be much longer like the Vegas shows.

Taku"

:wavey:

ShangriLaTroubl

05-27-2005, 05:11 PM

According to Taku:

http://www.takuhirano.com/MamboV4.5-Stable-1.0.9/index.php?option=com_simpleboard&Itemid=28&func=view&id=22&catid=5

Don and Stevie's sets will each be about an hour - then Stevie will add more songs to her set for the solo shows.

On a sidenote: he avoided answering the question about FM "throwing in the towel."

Yes I was bummed he avoided answering me about them "throwing in the towel" lol

Chris

Rickypt

05-27-2005, 05:17 PM

I think avoiding the question says quite a bit, actually.

GardenStateGirlie

05-27-2005, 05:20 PM

I think avoiding the question says quite a bit, actually.

That no one is clear on the future of FM or that it's being discussed and they've yet to reach a conclusion? That's my take on it. I'd like to see them at the very least, tour once more before they pack it in for good.

LiquidBlue5000

05-27-2005, 05:21 PM

Her set will start out with Enchanted...leaving off the two songs that are not sung live.
:

Well, i guess it's sorta obvious that she will start off with "Enchanted", but how can you be so sure??

I'm guessing "Bootylicious" will open things up, then right into "Enchanted"... sorry folks, but i don't think the "Dreams Remix" will make it into this set.. I think that was just a Vegas thing only....

Also, due to the fact that this tour is being penned "The Gold Dust Tour", there is a good likelyhood that she'll open up with "Gold Dust Woman".. or perhaps a "Gold Dust Intro"??? we shall see.... :cool:

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 05:29 PM

Well, i guess it's sorta obvious that she will start off with "Enchanted", but how can you be so sure??

I'm guessing "Bootylicious" will open things up, then right into "Enchanted"... sorry folks, but i don't think the "Dreams Remix" will make it into this set.. I think that was just a Vegas thing only....

Also, due to the fact that this tour is being penned "The Gold Dust Tour", there is a good likelyhood that she'll open up with "Gold Dust Woman".. or perhaps a "Gold Dust Intro"??? we shall see.... :cool:

Well, I hope she leaves them out. I didn't pay good money to hear Destiny's Child and remixes out of a speaker. I paid to hear Stevie sing live.

LiquidBlue5000

05-27-2005, 05:51 PM

Well, I hope she leaves them out. I didn't pay good money to hear Destiny's Child and remixes out of a speaker. I paid to hear Stevie sing live.

:xoxo:
Yeah, well, "Bootylicious" is a good way to get the show going and get people on their feet... I don't see it as this big deterent from the show itself... If Stevie used it in Vegas as her opener and on all of her TISL shows from 4 years ago, i'm gonna probably guess it's gonna become a standard on all of her current and future shows as well.. i don't mind it all actually.. in fact i love it! :nod:

it's also a good reminder to everyone that she's still a hip chick.. :woohoo:

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 06:02 PM

:xoxo:
Yeah, well, "Bootylicious" is a good way to get the show going and get people on their feet... I don't see it as this big deterent from the show itself... If Stevie used it in Vegas as her opener and on all of her TISL shows from 4 years ago, i'm gonna probably guess it's gonna become a standard on all of her current and future shows as well.. i don't mind it all actually.. in fact i love it! :nod:

it's also a good reminder to everyone that she's still a hip chick.. :woohoo:

It's sad that it takes a pre recorded song to get ppl on their feet at a CONCERT.

She doesn't even sing or play on the track. Why put it RIGHT before she comes on stage? I understand if it's in the pre-set songs that they play, but they make it a big deal. Ugh. I hate that song. Bootylicious is the stupidest word I have ever heard of.

amber

05-27-2005, 06:05 PM

It's sad that it takes a pre recorded song to get ppl on their feet at a CONCERT.

She doesn't even sing or play on the track. Why put it RIGHT before she comes on stage? I understand if it's in the pre-set songs that they play, but they make it a big deal. Ugh. I hate that song. Bootylicious is the stupidest word I have ever heard of.
Not me, I like that song. But I would probably like the oscar meyer bologna song if it had that riff sampled for it.
But, actually, In vegas, It didn't really play seconds before she came onstage, did it? And, it's not like, if they didn't play that song she would come out sooner. She would still come out at the same time, there just wouldn't be any song before. :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 06:06 PM

Not me, I like that song. But I would probably like the oscar meyer bologna song if it had that riff sampled for it.
But, actually, In vegas, It didn't really play seconds before she came onstage, did it? And, it's not like, if they didn't play that song she would come out sooner. She would still come out at the same time, there just wouldn't be any song before. :shrug:

I was talking TISL.

Still. I hate that song. Good day.

amber

05-27-2005, 06:10 PM

I was talking TISL.

Still. I hate that song. Good day.
Oh! You said "Good Day"! Suddenly, I see that you are right! That your opinion is now mine! I.Hate.It.Too! Good day.

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 06:15 PM

Oh! You said "Good Day"! Suddenly, I see that you are right! That your opinion is now mine! I.Hate.It.Too! Good day.

Don't be so sarcastic. Good day.

MirrorInTheSky

05-27-2005, 06:21 PM

Oh! You said "Good Day"! Suddenly, I see that you are right! That your opinion is now mine! I.Hate.It.Too! Good day.

Bwa ha ha ha ha!!! You funny lady....

SapphireSister

05-27-2005, 06:24 PM

Well, I hope she leaves them out. I didn't pay good money to hear Destiny's Child and remixes out of a speaker. I paid to hear Stevie sing live.

Ha ha that just made LOL! :lol: :lol:
I however LOVE the intros and was shaking my booty standing up and dancing to them both in Veags (of course I was doing this the whole show). I think it creates excitement and gets the crowd hyped as you know she is about to walk on the stage. I love it when Bootylucious plays!

MirrorInTheSky

05-27-2005, 06:31 PM

It's sad that it takes a pre recorded song to get ppl on their feet at a CONCERT.

She doesn't even sing or play on the track. Why put it RIGHT before she comes on stage? I understand if it's in the pre-set songs that they play, but they make it a big deal. Ugh. I hate that song. Bootylicious is the stupidest word I have ever heard of.

I love it, I love it, I love it...I love every second of it! You can't go wrong with a rift out of EOS, and I love how it affirms Stevie's influence on mainstream music as well as cross cultural appreciation. I don't think that the song erodes her already established position as a unique rock and roller...I think it enhances her appeal. I don't think you're ready for this!

amber

05-27-2005, 06:36 PM

Don't be so sarcastic. Good day.
Don't be so Good Dayish. Me? Sarcastic? I just thought it was funny. You started it. :D Good Day.

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 06:49 PM

Don't be so Good Dayish. Me? Sarcastic? I just thought it was funny. You started it. :D Good Day.

Me and you? Ya know. It's like Bombay Sapphires....

amber

05-27-2005, 06:51 PM

Me and you? Ya know. It's like Bombay Sapphires....
:confused: You can take me higher? Whatever I desire, you can...mend my heart???
Oh, Curtie!!! mmmmwuah!!! :xoxo:

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 06:54 PM

:confused: You can take me higher? Whatever I desire, you can...mend my heart???
Oh, Curtie!!! mmmmwuah!!! :xoxo:

You are like the sea.....you are the constant in my liiiiife.

amber

05-27-2005, 06:55 PM

You are like the sea.....you are the constant in my liiiiife.
good thing you can see past me to the white sands!!! :D Oops, here I am dramatic.... :shocked:

ontheEdgeof17

05-27-2005, 07:01 PM

good thing you can see past me to the white sands!!! :D Oops, here I am dramatic.... :shocked:

Well, here I am not listening. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sleep/schla23.gif

amber

05-27-2005, 07:04 PM

Well, here I am not listening. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sleep/schla23.gif
:laugh: :lol: :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000

05-27-2005, 08:06 PM

It's sad that it takes a pre recorded song to get ppl on their feet at a CONCERT.

She doesn't even sing or play on the track. Why put it RIGHT before she comes on stage?

Because it contains the "Edge" guitar riff that is so well known... it's not as if Stevie uses "Baby One More Time" by Britney Spears as her show starter or anything.. :rolleyes:

Johnny Stew

05-28-2005, 12:28 AM

She doesn't even sing or play on the track. Why put it RIGHT before she comes on stage? I understand if it's in the pre-set songs that they play, but they make it a big deal. Ugh. I hate that song. Bootylicious is the stupidest word I have ever heard of.I thought that little layered acapella track of "Trouble In Shangri-La" was the official start of the show, and "Bootylicious" was just part of the pre-show music.

I know there was music played in the arena before FM came out when I saw them in 1990, and I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that it was the same music at every venue (I forget which band it was now -- something makes me want to say it was Ziggy Marley's group).
So I just always thought it was typical for a band to have pre-selected pre-show music.

Dreammms

05-28-2005, 12:35 AM

What is Bootylicious and what does the word mean?

Kelly
Can you handle this
Michelle
Can you handle this
Beyonce
Can you handle this
I don't think they can handle this whoooo

Better move
Cause we've arrived
Lookin' sexy
Lookin' fly
Baddest chick
Chick inside
Dj
Jam tonight
Spotted me
A tender thang
There you are
Come on baby
Don't you wanna
Dance with me
Can you handle
Handle me

You gotta do much better
If you're gonna dance with me tonight
You gotta work your jelly
If you're gonna dance with me tonight
Read my lips carefully, if you like what you see
Move, groove, prove you can hang with me
By the looks I got you shook up and scared of me
Buckle your seatbelt, it's time for takeoff

I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this
'cause my body's too bootylicious for ya babe

I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this
'cause my body's too bootylicious for ya babe

Baby can you handle this
Baby can you handle this
Baby can you handle this
I don't think you can handle this

I'm about to break you off
H-town goin hard
Read my hips
Slap my thighs
Swing my hair
Squint my eyes
Lookin' hot
Smellin' good
Groovin' like
I'm from the hood
Over my shoulder
I blow you a kiss
Can you handle
Handle this

I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this
'cause my body's too bootylicious for ya babe

I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this
'cause my body's too bootylicious for ya babe

Move your body up and down (whoo)
Make your booty touch the ground (whoo)
I can't help but wonder why
My vibe's too vibealacious for you babe

I shake my jelly at every chance
When I whip with my hips you slip into a trance
I'm hoping you can handle all this jelly that I have
Now let's cut a rug while we scat some jazz

scatting

I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this jelly
I don't think you're ready for this
'cause my body's too bootylicious for ya babe

dissention

05-28-2005, 12:36 AM

What is Bootylicious and what does the word mean?

Nah. I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

Johnny Stew

05-28-2005, 12:42 AM

What is Bootylicious and what does the word mean?"Bootylicious" is a Destiny's Child song that sampled the riff from "Edge Of Seventeen."

As to what the word means... well, I guess we'd have to ask Beyoncé Knowles (or whoever the hell wrote it).
But basically it's just something nonsensical, like "bling-bling" and other über-hip catch-phrases like that. You know, the ones that become so pervasive in pop-culture, that even your grandmother starts using them... and then they thankfully die off (of course, only to be replaced by something equally ridiculous -- since apparently the two-hundred thousand and some-odd words in the dictionary aren't cutting it).

Dreammms

05-28-2005, 12:43 AM

amber

05-28-2005, 12:49 AM

Both replies alarmed me and I'm no closer to knowing what it is. I gather it's a song...? I still don't know what it means, and what's it got to do with Stevie? Perhaps I should just take your advice though Diss.
It's a mixing of the words "booty" and "delicious." It's means someones bun is lip smacking good. And if something is "too bootylicious" for someone, It means that it's just so, so magnificent that the other person will not even be able to handle it's majesty.

diamondsnake

05-28-2005, 12:52 AM

It's a mixing of the words "booty" and "delicious." It's means someones bun is lip smacking good. And if something is "too bootylicious" for someone, It means that it's just so, so magnificent that the other person will not even be able to handle it's majesty.

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Wow! I never thought of it quite like that!

amber

05-28-2005, 12:56 AM

So basically it's about vanity in conjunction with the importance of an appealing body.
I hope so. It's also about said appealing body being way too magnificent for someone else to handle.

blinker12

05-28-2005, 12:57 AM

Both replies alarmed me and I'm no closer to knowing what it is.

It would be kind of alarming seeing those lyrics coming at you out of nowhere... :lol:

amber

05-28-2005, 12:57 AM

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Wow! I never thought of it quite like that!
are you serious? I can't imagine that there would be multiple meanings for the word "bootylicious" :shrug: How did you think of it?

krrrby

05-28-2005, 12:57 AM

Well, i guess it's sorta obvious that she will start off with "Enchanted", but how can you be so sure??

I'm guessing "Bootylicious" will open things up, then right into "Enchanted"... sorry folks, but i don't think the "Dreams Remix" will make it into this set.. I think that was just a Vegas thing only....

Also, due to the fact that this tour is being penned "The Gold Dust Tour", there is a good likelyhood that she'll open up with "Gold Dust Woman".. or perhaps a "Gold Dust Intro"??? we shall see.... :cool:

I'm hoping that they will play the dreams remix...
but I do get the chance of going to the first show of the gold dust tour (as I mentioned in some other post) so I'll be sure to let you know as soon as I get home :blob2:

dissention

05-28-2005, 12:58 AM

It would be kind of alarming seeing those lyrics coming at you out of nowhere... :lol:

I know, they make about as much sense as a Nicks song. :p :laugh:

amber

05-28-2005, 12:59 AM

I know, they make about as much sense as a Nicks song. :p :laugh:
Please, they make waaaay more sense than most nicks songs! :laugh:

dissention

05-28-2005, 01:00 AM

Please, they make waaaay more sense than most nicks songs! :laugh:

Touche! :laugh: :wavey:

GardenStateGirlie

05-28-2005, 01:02 AM

Ah ok. That's all I need to know and seeing as I'm so behind that I have to admit I don't know who Beyoncé Knowles is (part of that group I imagine), any more you give me will go straight over my head, or maybe just around it.

I envy your ignorance for before the world heard of Beyonce Knowles and Destiny's Child, twas a better place :laugh:

Dreammms

05-28-2005, 01:04 AM

I envy your ignorance for before the world heard of Beyonce Knowles and Destiny's Child, twas a better place :laugh:

OMG hysterical :]

amber

05-28-2005, 01:08 AM

Indeed, vanity.
Yes. Although the word "bootylicious" by itself does not have those connotations, in the context of the rest of the lyrics of the song, the bootyliciousness is described to reach that level.

dissention

05-28-2005, 01:09 AM

Yes. Although the word "bootylicious" by itself does not have those connotations, in the context of the rest of the lyrics of the song, the bootyliciousness is described to reach that level.

I can't believe you're dissecting Bootylicious and it's connotations as if it were a piece of academic literature. :laugh:

amber

05-28-2005, 01:10 AM

I can't believe you're dissecting Bootylicious and it's connotations as if it were a piece of academic literature. :laugh:
:laugh: :lol:
Thank god someone got that. That's why the whole thing has been so enjoyable. I'm sitting here giggling... :woohoo: :xoxo:

Dreammms

05-28-2005, 01:12 AM

:laugh: :lol:
Thank god someone got that. That's why the whole thing has been so enjoyable. I'm sitting here giggling... :woohoo: :xoxo:

meanwhile the whole time i am thinking "wow she is really getting into this" :laugh:

amber

05-28-2005, 01:16 AM

meanwhile the whole time i am thinking "wow she is really getting into this" :laugh:
:laugh:
well, I was, but it was still funny. Don't get me started on how the meaning of bootylicious has evolved so much from it's original middle english connotations...

amber

05-28-2005, 01:20 AM

"My vibe's too vibelacious for you babe" :confused:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That's my favorite part. I can totally relate to the angst of my vibe being too vibealicious for a lot of people.
And in case anyone is confused, vibealicious is a mix of "vibe" and "delicious". It is, in fact, a delicious vibe.

go6car

05-28-2005, 09:32 AM

WOW! Four pages! Thanks for the replies on the solo vs. Don differences. If I can get good Borgata, Atlantic City tickets in 1/2 hour, I'm going for it. The so-called 'pre-sale' was a joke. The casions always seem to hold a heck of a lot of tix back.

Never thought I'd also get an eduation on Destiny's Child to boot, LOL!

With working so much, I dont get a chance to check in much here. Nice to know that after 10 years, I can still come back and post and you guys still rock!

Thanks, all !

dissention

05-28-2005, 11:11 AM

The one time I heard "Bootylicious," I thought it was "I don't think you're ready for this journey." "Jelly" is even worse. :lol:

"My vibe's too vibelacious for you babe" :confused:

The sad thing is that I like the song. It's ridiculously catchy fluff.

GypsySorcerer

05-28-2005, 11:40 AM

I wonder if she'll keep Beauty & the Beast or resurrect HAEWAFY? Maybe she'd do both, but I doubt it.......

diamondsnake

05-28-2005, 12:20 PM

I wonder if she'll keep Beauty & the Beast or resurrect HAEWAFY? Maybe she'd do both, but I doubt it.......
Hmmm.... I loved Beauty and the Beast but it was so intense, I wonder if she would even want to do that for the whole tour? I think it would almost spoil it if she did it for the whole tour just because it was so powerful, you know? B&theB was my favorite song in Vegas though, so I wouldn't mind if she did it on the Gold Dust Tour... it would just make it less special and not as "real" for me. It is kind of a strange thing.

If I had my way though she would be doing Beautiful Child on this tour.... I love that song so much and I miss is like crazy from the SYW tour!!!

GypsySorcerer

05-29-2005, 02:36 AM

Hmmm.... I loved Beauty and the Beast but it was so intense, I wonder if she would even want to do that for the whole tour? I think it would almost spoil it if she did it for the whole tour just because it was so powerful, you know? B&theB was my favorite song in Vegas though, so I wouldn't mind if she did it on the Gold Dust Tour... it would just make it less special and not as "real" for me. It is kind of a strange thing.

If I had my way though she would be doing Beautiful Child on this tour.... I love that song so much and I miss is like crazy from the SYW tour!!!

Yeah. It would be hard for her to top the Vegas performances of B&TB. :) "Beautiful Child" was one of the highlights of the SYW tour. I loved it.

Kelly

05-29-2005, 06:23 AM

LiquidBlue5000

05-29-2005, 02:07 PM

I wonder what Stevie thought of the "Bootilycious" lyrics when she filmed her video snippet? She had to be thinking something about the jelly lines!

I doubt we will see BaTB..seemed very Vegasy and without Lori? no way. I am sooo not a fan of Jana, sorry Riss, but that girl and her loud annoying voice ruined Landslide and FFG. God Forbid she had to sing louder to compensate for Lori on BaTB..it would completely ruin it for me. We will most likely get the normal closer, Haewafy. (which I am not a fan of...snnoooooozze)

In a way, i really want her to do Beauty And The Beast on this tour, and in a way i don't... maybe she should just keep it a Vegas thing.. it would make it very special if she did... but it was such a great performance, it would be a shame for her fans who didn't get to see her do it Live not be able to experience that... my guess is, though, she will keep it in the set.. :nod:

diamondsnake

05-29-2005, 02:45 PM

In a way, i really want her to do Beauty And The Beast on this tour, and in a way i don't... maybe she should just keep it a Vegas thing.. it would make it very special if she did... but it was such a great performance, it would be a shame for her fans who didn't get to see her do it Live not be able to experience that... my guess is, though, she will keep it in the set.. :nod:
ICAM... it would almost ruin the magic of those Vegas B&theB performances if she does it night after night this summer. However, if she can keep up the intensity and passion of the performance I hope she does the song for this tour. I just don't want to see it become a "tired" setlist staple that she can sing with her hands tied behind her back.

dissention

05-29-2005, 02:52 PM

ICAM... it would almost ruin the magic of those Vegas B&theB performances if she does it night after night this summer. However, if she can keep up the intensity and passion of the performance I hope she does the song for this tour. I just don't want to see it become a "tired" setlist staple that she can sing with her hands tied behind her back.

I felt the same way about Silver Springs. It should have stayed with The Dance, but they decided to haul it back out and completely ruin the magic that it once had. I pray she doesn't do the same with Beautiful Child.

ontheEdgeof17

05-29-2005, 02:53 PM

I just don't want to see it become a "tired" setlist staple that she can sing with her hands tied behind her back.

Like it was in the 80s? :laugh: ...and like every other song in the set. :p

LiquidBlue5000

05-29-2005, 02:54 PM

ICAM... it would almost ruin the magic of those Vegas B&theB performances if she does it night after night this summer. However, if she can keep up the intensity and passion of the performance I hope she does the song for this tour. I just don't want to see it become a "tired" setlist staple that she can sing with her hands tied behind her back.

yeah, cuz when that happens, her mind wanders off and she has a tendancy to forget words at times... :rolleyes:

we definately don't want any BATB screw ups... that would be devastating :distress: