The Enchanted voice [Archive]

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 02:49 AM

amber

05-24-2005, 03:22 AM

I have heard this same sentiment before, although I have not heard the Woodstock show.

desertangel

05-24-2005, 04:43 AM

Ok, so i just got in some shows from one of my trades today, and i got two upgraded shows from the "Enchanted" tour... I'm listening to the Woodstock show right now and it's just incredible.. i am stunned at how much power Stevie has lost in her voice since just 1998...Not only that, but she was hitting all the high notes and had perfect tone.. ... what happened between 1998 and 2001 that caused such a dramatic change??? i just don't understand it.. :distress: :( :shrug:

Probably menopause or "pre" menopause. I know from experience what pre-menopause can do to your voice. In fact, any female singer can be hampered monthly. Vocal chords retain water just like other muscle tissue at "that time of the month."

Laura

Kelly

05-24-2005, 06:25 AM

I have heard this same sentiment before, although I have not heard the Woodstock show.

OHMYGOSH. I MUST send you the Woodstock show...it is my most favorite Boot EVAH! HAEWAFY will have you in tears..promise! I hate that song but that version kicks some major ass. (a crying stevie points emphatically to the side of the stage as she bellows "I would have given that to YOU) so, yea...its a super show. PM me if you want it Amber.

tynan88

05-24-2005, 09:05 AM

OHMYGOSH. I MUST send you the Woodstock show...it is my most favorite Boot EVAH! HAEWAFY will have you in tears..promise! I hate that song but that version kicks some major ass. (a crying stevie points emphatically to the side of the stage as she bellows "I would have given that to YOU) so, yea...its a super show. PM me if you want it Amber.

She was pointing ay Lindsey who was at that show :nod:

skcin

05-24-2005, 09:52 AM

Kelly's right - one of her best performances in years. :nod: Spot on - the setlist, the vocal, the performance, the venue - perfection!

BTW - I tend to agree - I don't know if it's just aging, or if she's being more cautious with her voice as of late, but generally there is a marked difference in the power of her vocals between 97/98 to 01/03/05. IMO (and Diss's too. :D )

cliffdweller

05-24-2005, 10:01 AM

I don't know if it's just aging, or if she's being more cautious with her voice as of late, but generally there is a marked difference in the power of her vocals between 97/98 to 01/03/05.

:nod: I totally agree. There's no mistaking this. And I don't know about the menopause excuse. I don't think it ravages your vocal chords to that extent. Stevie has gotten WAY more nasaly in the past couple of years; I'm sure her damaged septum doesn't help matters either.

dissention

05-24-2005, 10:27 AM

Ok, so i just got in some shows from one of my trades today, and i got two upgraded shows from the "Enchanted" tour... I'm listening to the Woodstock show right now and it's just incredible.. i am stunned at how much power Stevie has lost in her voice since just 1998...Not only that, but she was hitting all the high notes and had perfect tone.. ... what happened between 1998 and 2001 that caused such a dramatic change??? i just don't understand it.. :distress: :( :shrug:

Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.

skcin

05-24-2005, 10:44 AM

Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.

You're not going to cry, are you? I hear that's your new "thing." :(

dissention

05-24-2005, 10:46 AM

You're not going to cry, are you? I hear that's your new "thing." :(

My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.

Dreammms

05-24-2005, 10:56 AM

The woodstock show is amazing. There is an awesome DVD of it too.

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 10:58 AM

My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.

I love how her hair falls in her face in GDW!!!!!

I also love that scared out of her mind chick in Landslide! I think Stevie said to her (she was brought up there on accident) "could you sing to this many people - I think you could) :laugh:

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 10:59 AM

Hello! I've been saying that since 2001. :thumbsup:

'94-'98 (or '00) is my favorite era of her voice. Listen to Edge of Seventeen from the Woodstock show, more specifically the yell at the end of the bridge. That note that she hits, however intentional or not, is shocking. What happened in 2001 is a mystery to me and it kind of depresses me.

The Atlanta EO17 is the best I have ever heard and I have heard some Doozies :cool:

dissention

05-24-2005, 11:05 AM

The Atlanta EO17 is the best I have ever heard and I have heard some Doozies :cool:

Oh, it most definitely is. She stretches that sucker out like there's no tomorrow. One of my fave boots.

And your mention of GDW made me think of the Radio City '98 video. I love when she does that scream and then thrashes her head towards the floor and sort of hobbles away from the mic with her head down. :laugh:

Dreammms

05-24-2005, 11:09 AM

I also love that scared out of her mind chick in Landslide! I think Stevie said to her (she was brought up there on accident) "could you sing to this many people - I think you could) :laugh:

yeah i think her name is andrea. her face has the look of total shock. :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:11 AM

My new thing, among others. :laugh: No, I'm not. I'm going to pop in the fabulous Woodstock show and listen to it instead. What a great show with one kick ass Outside the Rain.

"Stand Back" is off da hook!!

especially when she changes up the words and screams "YEAHHHH" before the second chorus... ;)

great great show.. i wish i coulda been there to see it live...

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 11:11 AM

yeah i think her name is andrea. her face has the look of total shock. :laugh:

She gave her story on the NicksFix I think. It was cute.

Dreammms

05-24-2005, 11:12 AM

And your mention of GDW made me think of the Radio City '98 video. I love when she does that scream and then thrashes her head towards the floor and sort of hobbles away from the mic with her head down. :laugh:

:lol: :lol: I love that too. Great concert.

Dreammms

05-24-2005, 11:14 AM

"Stand Back" is off da hook!!

especially when she changes up the words and screams "YEAHHHH" before the second chorus... ;)

great great show.. i wish i coulda been there to see it live...

Yeah and during Stand Back the camera goes to this girl with glasses who is so into and does this dance to it :laugh: So we miss the Stevie kick.

SuzeQuze

05-24-2005, 11:14 AM

I hope Stevie didn't start smoking again, because when she quit her voice sounded awesome, I couldn't believe the difference! A depth that I thought would be gone forever returned.

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:17 AM

I hope Stevie didn't start smoking again, because when she quit her voice sounded awesome, I couldn't believe the difference! A depth that I thought would be gone forever returned.

i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 11:18 AM

i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:

Brit saw her smoking in Atlanta at the last FM show. Not that brit did not see what she saw, but I was looking a few minutes before and saw no cig. there have been other reports as well, but who knows. Of course, they may not have been cigs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dreammms

05-24-2005, 11:19 AM

Brit saw her smoking in Atlanta at the last FM show. Not that brit did not see what she saw, but I was looking a few minutes before and saw no cig. there have been other reports as well, but who knows. Of course, they may not have been cigs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah i would believe she was still smoking weed but not cigs...

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:20 AM

:lol: :lol: :lol: yeah i would believe she was still smoking weed but not cigs...

That would explain alot actually...

SuzeQuze

05-24-2005, 11:21 AM

i heard she was smoking again... i would lose some respect for her if that turned out to be true... :distress:

It is really hard to quit though and the temptation comes back during times of great pain or stress. Dammit, I hope she didn't start up again, but it would explain the vocal change. :(

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:28 AM

It is really hard to quit though and the temptation comes back during times of great pain or stress. Dammit, I hope she didn't start up again, but it would explain the vocal change. :(

It is very hard to quit... i used to smoke, so i definately know how it is.. it's not just the lack of nicotine that you have to get used to, but also the oral fixation involved as well.. it is very much a nervous habit.. and if you don't replace that with something else, that urge to smoke again becomes very strong.. some people eat, or chew gum... me, i suck on breathsavers :p

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 11:30 AM

It is very hard to quit... i used to smoke, so i definately know how it is.. it's not just the lack of nicotine that you have to get used to, but also the oral fixation involved as well.. it is very much a nervous habit.. and if you don't replace that with something else, that urge to smoke again becomes very strong.. some people eat, or chew gum... me, i suck on breathsavers :p

I am soooooo good about it - but then after two cocktails I run for the pack - oh well, I suppose that is better than everyday as I drink mostly on the weekends and not every weekend :cool:

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:36 AM

I am soooooo good about it - but then after two cocktails I run for the pack - oh well, I suppose that is better than everyday as I drink mostly on the weekends and not every weekend :cool:

The funny thing is, when i do go out for drinks, i go through a pack of breathsavers in about 2 hours... and i'm not kidding :laugh: :p

strandinthewind

05-24-2005, 11:38 AM

The funny thing is, when i do go out for drinks, i go through a pack of breathsavers in about 2 hours... and i'm not kidding :laugh: :p

Well, that makes people want to be by you :wavey:

I need to start doing that. I went Jan. Feb. and most of March without one (or drinking for that matter) and neot even thinking about one. Then, I went to China via Paris and that was that as EVERYONE smokes in those two places :laugh:

LiquidBlue5000

05-24-2005, 11:43 AM

Well, that makes people want to be by you :wavey:

Well, i do always have fresh breath :D

The Tower

05-24-2005, 11:58 AM

I don't think Stevie is smoking again. In Vegas, she was holding out all her notes to the end of each phrase. That kind of vocal longevity is the first thing to go when you smoke.

I think she's just getting old. AND- she never really took good care of voice anyways. A women's voice is at its peak in the 40's and sometimes into the 50's. I think she's in the midst of a vocal decline. However, I think if she gets rest and is fresh, her voice reflects it. Just look at the difference in vocal quality from "Sara" on the second leg of SYW tour :eek: to her Vegas voice. I think 135 dates really did a number on her.

ontheEdgeof17

05-24-2005, 12:12 PM

Well, she was smoking on the SYW....at least during the sound checks. Brit saw her once and I know ppl who work at Mellon Arena see her smoke a couple, too. Whether she does now, I don't know.

SapphireSister

05-24-2005, 12:53 PM

Regarding her smoking, who cares if she has a few here and there. It's HER choice. I might question it if she went back to smoking multiple packs a day but give her a break. She's an artist and works her freakin tail off! So what if she wants to smoke. I mean I care about her health and all but after all this time if she does it in moderation I see no problem. And if that IS indeed what is affecting her voice (which I find hard to believe) than so be it. She gives us so much people, let her be.

Kelly

05-24-2005, 07:27 PM

I know two people who say she smoke cigs occassionally. I also think she indulges in the other quite often but that is only my own opinion. I could care less about weed....she is one highly anxious, nervous nelly.

SapphireSister

05-24-2005, 07:40 PM

Rickypt

05-24-2005, 08:14 PM

blinker12

05-25-2005, 02:51 AM

Stevie was quite sick during the TISL tour and played too many shows in the SYW tour. She sounds great in the Vegas songs I've been able to hear.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Woodstock show after a bit of a break from the Enchanted tour? I'm just thinking rest and health are big factors, plus as was sad earlier she's getting older.

Good points. Also the Woodstock show was taped for a Webcast (if memory serves), and we know she always puts forth a little more effort when the cameras are rolling!

But yeah, Liquid's right... :) She was in amazing voice in general that year. Further proof is currently available at http://www.angelfire.com/music6/thevault/, where mp3s of the 98 Tampa performance are posted. She sounds great on everything! I especially love "Twisted."

jannieC

05-25-2005, 08:24 AM

I saw Stevie on the Enchanted tour and I will NEVER forget how incredible she was. I was so excited that when she first came out, I burst into tears! :laugh:

gldstwmn

05-25-2005, 11:41 AM

ShangriLaTroubl

05-25-2005, 11:59 AM

Also to add her SYW Tour Voice was much stronger than her TISL Tour voice in my opinion..Even in songs like Rhiannon...during the Trouble in Shangri La Tour even before the health problems she couldn't manage to get out the "Dreams" in "dreams unwind loves a state of mind..." it came out as "unwind loves a state of mind"

Chris

strandinthewind

05-25-2005, 12:13 PM

I am of the opinion that something was lost in her voice between '94-'97. The Dance/Enchanted voice was definitely not the voice of '94. I am so glad she started working with a vocal coach. Her voice has a smooth quality to it now that I really love. I've loved all the incarnations of her voice though. Who says Stevie never changes? :laugh:

Her voice in 94 was stellar. It was good in 97, but changed in that the higher end was gone - though it was still very very good. And - she worked with a vocal coach on The Dance. In any event, I liked almost all periods of "the voice" -- my problem with her has always been sometimes she gets vocally lazy on stage, esp. in harmony. But, IMO she does not do it that often - so that is a rather petty gripe :cool:

LiquidBlue5000

05-25-2005, 12:51 PM

I am of the opinion that something was lost in her voice between '94-'97. The Dance/Enchanted voice was definitely not the voice of '94.

Well, you're definately right about that... her voice was much deeper in 94/95 than it was after she quit smoking in '96... but the thing that remained the same between 94 and 98 was the "strength" in her voice... that's what impressed me most about listening to the Woodstick '98 show again (after not listening to it for awhile)... her tone was similar in 2001 as it was in '98, but she seemed to have lost the power behind her words...

it did bet better for SYW, however..

strandinthewind

05-25-2005, 12:54 PM

Well, you're definately right about that... her voice was much deeper in 94/95 than it was after she quit smoking in '96... but the thing that remained the same between 94 and 98 was the "strength" in her voice... that's what impressed me most about listening to the Woodstick '98 show again (after not listening to it for awhile)... her tone was similar in 2001 as it was in '98, but she seemed to have lost the power behind her words...

it did bet better for SYW, however..

Wow - you think it was deep on the SA tour? I think she was high and clear, at least when I saw her and on the boots I have heard. To me, that marked the end of that style of singing. And - I think she still is great, but it is just different. But, to each his own :cool:

SapphireSister

05-25-2005, 12:59 PM

Wow - you think it was deep on the SA tour? I think she was high and clear, at least when I saw her and on the boots I have heard. To me, that marked the end of that style of singing. And - I think she still is great, but it is just different. But, to each his own :cool:

Question - I know Stevie was still on Klonipin during the recording of SA but did she go to rehab before she started touring? Basically I'm wondering if she was off or on the drug during the SA tour.

strandinthewind

05-25-2005, 01:03 PM

skcin

05-25-2005, 01:05 PM

Question - I know Stevie was still on Klonipin during the recording of SA but did she go to rehab before she started touring? Basically I'm wondering if she was off or on the drug during the SA tour.

Yes, she was off Klonopin for the SA Tour.

I agree that the SA shows were some of her strongest vocally, but I also think her voice was lower/deeper too.

strandinthewind

05-25-2005, 01:09 PM

Yes, she was off Klonopin for the SA Tour.

I agree that the SA shows were some of her strongest vocally, but I also think her voice was lower/deeper too.

I guess I am getting hooked on the unknown comparison. Do you mean lower and deeper than post 1994 or pre 1994. I disagree that it was lower than on The Dance tour or thereafter, with the exception of B&B from Vegas, which she sung in a voice not heard since SA IMO - with the possible exception of Sleeping Angel from The Enchanted tour. But, that is my opinion :cool:

dissention

05-25-2005, 01:10 PM

Wow - you think it was deep on the SA tour? I think she was high and clear, at least when I saw her and on the boots I have heard. To me, that marked the end of that style of singing. And - I think she still is great, but it is just different. But, to each his own :cool:

I thought she was high and clear, too. Just listen to some of those versions of Outside the Rain and Stand Back; they're marvelous. She was at her strongest vocally on the Street Angel tour.

SapphireSister

05-25-2005, 01:12 PM

I think she was off of it because she was sooooo animated on that tour when compared to the TOSOTM show I saw. But, to answer your question, she into rehab prior to the release of the record. She said when sober she realized it was not that great and tried to fix it by adding Waddy in parts, but eventually had to just let it go, etc. So, she had been through rehab and was off of Klonopin prior to the tour.

That's what I thought, thanks :). But was I right about her being on Klonopin during the recording of the album? Also do you know who is singing with Stevie on Inspiration? Sorry for the questions lol but I'm glad I finally have a place to ask all my questions!

strandinthewind

05-25-2005, 01:20 PM

That's what I thought, thanks :). But was I right about her being on Klonopin during the recording of the album? Also do you know who is singing with Stevie on Inspiration? Sorry for the questions lol but I'm glad I finally have a place to ask all my questions!

I do not know - the nicksfix says it was written by Ethan Jones - so maybe it is that guy.

skcin

05-25-2005, 01:30 PM

I guess I am getting hooked on the unknown comparison. Do you mean lower and deeper than post 1994 or pre 1994. I disagree that it was lower than on The Dance tour or thereafter, with the exception of B&B from Vegas, which she sung in a voice not heard since SA IMO - with the possible exception of Sleeping Angel from The Enchanted tour. But, that is my opinion :cool:

No, I mean it was lower (note-wise) than earlier tours (with the exception of maybe the Timespace Tour, which was pretty damn low, as well as flat, IMO.) I love the Street Angel Tour. :nod: She was belting those songs out so hard.

And yeah, when she hit those notes on Sleeping Angel in 98 - hoshit!

SeattleMark

05-25-2005, 01:39 PM

I loved the Street Angel tour. The stage was beautiful and her voice was strong. The outfits were cool, too (BD pink & Black sleeves). I think her voice has just as much POWER now, if not more, but the high notes are gone.

LiquidBlue5000

05-25-2005, 03:19 PM

Wow - you think it was deep on the SA tour? I think she was high and clear, at least when I saw her and on the boots I have heard. To me, that marked the end of that style of singing. And - I think she still is great, but it is just different. But, to each his own :cool:

Yes, i think it was very deep and husky-sounding in '94... unless my hearing is going (which is very possible considering how many concerts i've been to in my life so far :p)

I don't think she ever sounded deeper than on "God's Garden"... also on "Somebody Stand By Me"... it definately went up a bit by the time "The Dance" rolled around, imo.... am i the only person who noticed this?? :lol:

dissention

05-25-2005, 03:25 PM

I don't think she ever sounded deeper than on "God's Garden"... also on "Somebody Stand By Me"... it definately went up a bit by the time "The Dance" rolled around, imo.... am i the only person who noticed this?? :lol:

God's Garden is wretched through and through, but I like Somebody Stand By Me. Great vocal on that one. Her voice is too nasal nowadays.

Johnny Stew

05-25-2005, 11:21 PM

Her voice is too nasal nowadays.Ever listen to 'Buckingham Nicks'? :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17

05-25-2005, 11:27 PM

Ever listen to 'Buckingham Nicks'? :laugh:

I consider her BN vocals more airy than nasal.

airy = Frozen Love
nasal = Destiny Rules

Johnny Stew

05-25-2005, 11:33 PM

I consider her BN vocals more airy than nasal.I'd say her vocals on "Crying In The Night" and "Long Distance Winner" are pretty nasal.
She's always had that tendency, then and now. Listen to "Dreams" with headphones on sometime.

krrrby

05-25-2005, 11:39 PM

There's videos of the show? -whimpers- oh man lol

dissention

05-25-2005, 11:41 PM

Ever listen to 'Buckingham Nicks'? :laugh:

Ever listen to her nowadays? You can practically hear the snot rattle in her nose. :laugh:

Johnny Stew

05-25-2005, 11:54 PM

Ever listen to her nowadays? You can practically hear the snot rattle in her nose. :laugh:I'm not disagreeing that she sounds nasally these days... I'm just saying that she's always had a tendency towards sounding nasal.
Doesn't bother me now, didn't bother me then.

David

05-26-2005, 11:42 AM

I'm not disagreeing that she sounds nasally these days... I'm just saying that she's always had a tendency towards sounding nasal.
Doesn't bother me now, didn't bother me then.There's good nasal & there's bad nasal.

& never the 'twain shall converge, like the old Hardy poem.

SuzeQuze

05-26-2005, 12:20 PM

Ever listen to her nowadays? You can practically hear the snot rattle in her nose. :laugh:

I do hate when that sound comes through. I know exactly what you're talking about, and it does happen.

For years I struggled with the disappointment from the change in her voice but it is what it is. I've finally accepted it and can just enjoy it for what it is.

diamondsnake

05-26-2005, 01:17 PM

I love her voice today! I don't care for her voice on the Timespace bootlegs that I have heard and I despise her voice on the Red Rocks DVD (her voice is way too high on most of those songs.... those are overdubs right?)

SYW/TISL I love!!! I have to admit that her voice is not for everyone on those records though. I love how her voice sounds so weathered though. I remember when I first heard the song SYW before the album came out I was screaming because I was so excited about how cool her voice sounded. Could it get any more raspy? I guess we will find out on her next album!

And I love God's Garden.

skcin

05-27-2005, 08:28 AM

The great thing is, even after all the voice changes (I know people have varying opinions on how many vocal eras Stevie has had) people still know it's Stevie as soon as they hear her voice. :nod:

LiquidBlue5000

05-27-2005, 12:44 PM

The great thing is, even after all the voice changes (I know people have varying opinions on how many vocal eras Stevie has had) people still know it's Stevie as soon as they hear her voice. :nod:

and for the hardcore fans, they know exactly the "era" of which voice you are hearing.. :lol:

diamondsnake

05-28-2005, 01:40 PM

and for the hardcore fans, they know exactly the "era" of which voice you are hearing.. :lol:
Most of us can pinpoint the exact year... which is scary considering she has a catalogue that spans over thirty years! I love how her voice is so different from album to album though.

HejiraNYC

05-28-2005, 03:06 PM

Okay, I'm in the minority here, but I just finished listening to the Saturday Las Vegas show (thank you SaraRhiannon!) and I have to say that Stevie sounds MUCH better today than she did at the Woodstock 98 show. Granted, she dodged a few high notes here and there at Vegas, but her performance was rock-solid- hardly a bad note. And she seems a lot more in control of her instrument today than she did back then. Not only was Stevie's pitch off a lot at Woodstock, but she really strains to hit some of the notes. And there is a sense that Stevie was very "present" in Vegas (the way she punctuates some words here and there...); by contrast she sounds kind of draggy and lazy at Woodstock. I can honestly say I can listen to the Vegas show without wincing at bum notes, which is really saying something.

Still, I am partial to Woodstock simply because I was there and I suffered through heavy rain, mud and Don Henley :eek: to see Stevie. But the rain and mud weren't so bad. :lol: Ah, those were the days... Joni Mitchell and Stevie Nicks on the same bill!