The Wild Heart... what is the big deal with this CD?

[diamondsnake]

No matter how much I try I just can't get into this record. It seems like a strong album but I just don't have the same passion for the songs that I do with other Stevie albums. I know this is a lot of people's favorite Stevie record, so I feel kind of left out. Is there some secret that I'm not in on? This album just does nothing for me. All the songs seem to be strong, but not special. Most of her other albums have a couple of horrible tracks but I prefer those to a mundane song like Gate and Garden because they have a much stronger personality. Just thought I would share some thoughts and see what other people's opinions are on this album.

[GateandGarden]

I'm going to tell Chris not to call Stevie to tell her to do "My Heart" for you in Vegas because you said my favorite Stevie solo song is "mundane." :mad: :distress: :laugh: :wavey:

[diamondsnake]

I'm going to tell Chris not to call Stevie to tell her to do "My Heart" for you in Vegas because you said my favorite Stevie solo song is "mundane." :mad: :distress: :laugh: :wavey:

Uh oh. :sorry: :xoxo:

One man's trash is another man's treasure, as they say! So, why do you love this album or in this case that song? This is the one Stevie album I never pop into my stereo, it just doesn't grab my attention.

But then again, I still am not a big fan of a lot of the songs on Tusk, namely Lindsey's! So I guess I just have odd taste.

[xxxmx]

i looove G&G too, how dare you bash it :mad: ...

title track: could there be better lyrics?
if anyone falls: fun song, fun to sing... maybe you should try singing this one in the shower...
G&G: you should love this song because we do ;)
enchanted: this song just ramps me up, total goodness
nightbird: fun to sing the harmonies, great SNL performance
stand back: the best song ever... i mean evah...
IWRTY: ok, not the best song... at least it's not as overplayed as SDMHA
nothing ever changes: "you know it doesn't!" oh but it does, it does rock!
sable on blond: diss likes it, how can anyone else not?
BATB: riveting and blissful, so much to love

i think i like it so much right now because it's not BD, which will always be my favorite. even the faves need a night off here and there...

[Kelly]

Wild Heart..the song..has such powerful lyrics! I mean they are so amazing and intense. Her vocal on that song gives me chills too. I love this song with a passion.

Enchanted..not my favorite song but I do like it alot and live she seems to really enjoy the song. Fun melody and catchy lyrics.

IWRTY...nice harmonies but not really a fave.

Stand Back..need I say more?

Gate and Garden..probably my least favorite song on the album.

Nightbird..one of my top five favorite songs. If you do not hear the heartbreak in these lyrics and in her voice, well then I do not know what to say. This song offers a powerful insight into the despair Stevie was feeling at that time in her life and the sense of loss that was overwhelming her. She is begging for some comfort.."and when I call will you walk gently through my shadow"...One of her best songs ever.
Beauty and the Beast...this is not one of my most favorite songs but I love the music and the orchestra. I love the vocal. Not a fan of the whole concept of the song with Mick and all but I do think the song is pure Stevie and the music cannot be beat.

Bella Donna, Wild Heart and TISL are the best Stevie allubms in my opinion. Right now TISL is probably my favorite.

Oh and Christopher? Tusk is brilliance. You should listen to the whole album and not just the Stevie tracks. When you put it all together, and listen to it from front to back, it can just blow you away. I love almost every song on the album, particularly SnL's. I think the only song I am not crazy about is Not That Funny..although even that has some lyrics I find compelling. No matter how many times I listen to Honey Hi into Beautiful Child, I am continually amazed at the incredible harmonies on this album. Honey Hi has simply stunning harmonies. Lindsey's harmonies on BC are to die for and pretty much perfect. Everything about the album from the production, to the arranging, to the vocals, to the lyrics, to the instrumentation, to the layering is pure genius. Artistically it cannot be beat and I hope you eventually learn to appreciate the signficance of the album and learn to enjoy Lindsey's songs as well. The contrast between his and Stevie's songs is key for me.

[jannieC]

I'm not a HUGE fan of The Wild Heart, but I remember I was so excited when it came out, so listening to it now reminds me of being 15(ish) and jamming to the cassette back in (83? 84?)!

Nightbird has always been one of my favorite songs- "cause I wear boots all summer long" really appealed to me at the time! :)

And Beauty and the Beast is absolute perfection to me.

[GateandGarden]

Uh oh. :sorry: :xoxo:

One man's trash is another man's treasure, as they say! So, why do you love this album or in this case that song? This is the one Stevie album I never pop into my stereo, it just doesn't grab my attention.

But then again, I still am not a big fan of a lot of the songs on Tusk, namely Lindsey's! So I guess I just have odd taste.Maybe it will grow on you (both WH and Lindsey's Tusk material). I didn't like anything Lindsey did on Tusk at first myself. Initally, everything was all about Stevie for me and I only listened to her Tusk songs. But then when I was pissed off at someone "The Ledge" caught my ear. "I Know I'm Not Wrong" was next and it became one of my all-time fave Lindsey songs. I still don't like everything he did for Tusk, but I appreciate a lot of it.

But about WH...I love most of it. I love Bella Donna and TISL more, just looking at entire albums, but I did certainly love WH from the start. "Wild Heart" caught my ear immediately, mostly because of the passionate performance. The fact that it seems to go on forever just enhances it to me because she totally feels it to the end! She could probably do it convincingly for 10 minutes, even! :laugh: I also loved "Enchanted" immediately. As soon as I heard the piano, I knew I was going to think of it as a fun song. It has the same words as "Destiny" from SA, and the melody accompanying them is twenty times better. :nod: I also love the end. "Wellllll, I hope you make it!" I think she's being totally sarcastic and I LOVE that! "Gate and Garden" had to grow on me. I had no idea what it was supposed to be about at first (still don't know what exactly it means to Stevie) and I thought it kind of fell flat. But when every word seemed so easy to apply to a relationship I was in at the time, I fell in love with it forever. I think it's all about the universal struggle of trying to persuade someone to trust you and open up to you, and trying to persuade yourself to let go and do the same. The song also speaks to me of "the love that dare not speak its name" ("Do I love you/Well I always did/Nobody knows nothing 'bout it"). Finally, I think it also talks about the struggle of two people from different worlds to understand each other, which is also expressed in the melodramatic track "Beauty and the Beast" ("We come from different worlds, but we are the same"). Unlike "Beauty and the Beast," though, "Gate and Garden" is just so, so ambiguous that there's so much one get from it. I really like that quality. I like for it to me something to me personally and to not be clearly mapped out. And it doesn't hurt that the vocals are so impassioned at the end. What can I say about "Stand Back"? It just seems like one of those quintessential 80s dance tracks to me. I don't think it could've been done better. (Another reason Rod Stewart sound NOT have covered it!) I can't really explain my love for "If Anyone Falls." My first Stevie album after TISL was Timespace, so that's when I first heard that one and some others. I didn't really think about it--"If Anyone Falls" just interested me from the first listen. I thought it was catchy and liked her vocals. (Her vocals can save many things that some would consider mediocre). I love the ways she says, "But I see your shadow againt, shadow against, shadow against the waalll!" BABY, I see your shadow against the waaaallll!" I was totally taken by "Beauty and the Beast" when I got Timespace, but by the time I got WH, the magic had worn off for me. I don't listen to it as much. I find it melodramatic, but I usually dig melodrama, so I guess it's more so that I'm just kind of sick of it and I think it wears thin quickly. There are some gorgeous lyrics in it, though. "Nightbird" will never get old for me; it's in the same vein as "EO17," but it gives me chills like that one doesn't at all. The chorus is just beautiful and haunting to me. At the same time, it strikes me as creepy, and I can't really explain that. I like how Stevie does that to me--making me feel things I can't even begin to explain. And everyone else seems to think it's cheesy, but I love the first verse of that song! "I Will Run to You" is not one of my favorites, but I love how their voices sound together, so I'm always open to a duet with those two. I do like SDMYA and "Insider" much, much more, though. I don't listen to the rest of the CD much. It's not that I don't like the other songs, I just never got into them a lot. Josh can tell you all about how great "Sable on Blond" is, I'm sure. :nod:

[diamondsnake]

Oh and Christopher? Tusk is brilliance. You should listen to the whole album and not just the Stevie tracks. When you put it all together, and listen to it from front to back, it can just blow you away. I love almost every song on the album, particularly SnL's. I think the only song I am not crazy about is Not That Funny..although even that has some lyrics I find compelling. No matter how many times I listen to Honey Hi into Beautiful Child, I am continually amazed at the incredible harmonies on this album. Honey Hi has simply stunning harmonies. Lindsey's harmonies on BC are to die for and pretty much perfect. Everything about the album from the production, to the arranging, to the vocals, to the lyrics, to the instrumentation, to the layering is pure genius. Artistically it cannot be beat and I hope you eventually learn to appreciate the signficance of the album and learn to enjoy Lindsey's songs as well. The contrast between his and Stevie's songs is key for me.

Well I love all of Stevie's songs on Tusk and all of Christine's. I do love the title track, the ledge, and IKINW (mainly because it brings back memories of the SYW tour- that song was really fun on the last leg of the tour, so ever since I heard IKINW live I love it). I don't like Not the Funny because I find it too loud. And Save Me a Place is a tad boring to my ears. Walk a thin line is okay... I just don't buy that Lindsey is the end all be all of Fleetwood Mac because I find Stevie and Christine much more enjoyable. It bothers me whenever someone on these boards says that Lindsey is a genius and Stevie is just a twirling fairy. I think she is a genius also even if her songs aren't as "out there". :woohoo:

[ontheEdgeof17]

I think she is a genius also even if her songs aren't as "out there". :woohoo:


Her songs are definately "out there".....in a different sense than Lindsey's. Lindsey's songs have Turette's and Stevie's song are like art gallery paintings....you look at it and like it, but still you are like "What the hell does that mean?"

[GypsySorcerer]

TWH is tied with TISL as my second favorite Stevie album. (Bella Donna is first).

"Nightbird" will always be one of my favorite Stevie songs. Lovely melody and the chorus is haunting. I absolutely adore "Beauty and the Beast." ( :wavey: Diss). I love the strings, and if I'm in the right mood, it can move me to tears. "Sable on Blond" is her best vocal on the album and features some of her best lyrics ever. "Enchanted" has a catchy melody and the lyrics work much better here than on "Destiny," as Hillary said. And "Stand Back" is just 80s greatness.

The rest of the album is okay to me.

[markolas]

I've never really cared for The Wild Heart. Lindsey's 'Tusk' material is another story. I love 'Tusk,' and I love all of Lindsey's songs on it, and I always have.

Anyway...

I only like about half the songs on The Wild Heart (namely, the ones on Enchanted...plus, Enchanted has "Garbo." Why that was left off in favor of pap like "Gate and Garden" is beyond me). I also don't like all the synthesizer/keyboards used on this album. Although, I like RAL and TOSOTM bunches, so maybe it's something else about The Wild Heart I don't like...

[Hawkeye]

Nothing Ever Changes is my favorite Stevie solo song. It just ROCKS so MUCH. Sable on Blonde is up there too,top 10 for sure. The rest of the album doesnt measure up quite as much. Gate and Garden is great, and Nightbird is wonderful, but I can;t STAND If ANyone Falls and this Stand BAck doesn't compare to the LIB version or any live version for that matter. IWRTY is great. But I think im in the minority in liking Destiny far better then Enchanted.

[Serrart]

I like it, not as much as TISL or Belladonna, but I find it passionate and nostalgic. :nod:

Romy

[Nixxxed]

The Wild Heart is my favorite Stevie album. Period. All these years later, I still listen to it regularly. And now that I've reached (and passed - WAH!!!) the age Stevie was when she recorded it, I appreciate and understand it so much more.

It was the first Stevie/Mac album I synched up to -- meaning, I got BD almost 2 years late, and Mirage almost a year late (thanks Santa!). I hounded the poor guy at the record store from the moment I heard TWH was coming, and was at the door before he opened on the morning it was released. Then TWH tour several months later (after my town was hit nearly head-on by Hurricane Alicia) was my first-ever concert experience.

As far as the BD/TWH comparisons, I don't think they're really fair. BD was the culmination of years and years of songwriting -- you've got stuff written all thru the '70s, worked on by the Mac, rearranged, worked on again, etc. TWH seems to be much more a "moment in time" body of work, even though BATB was worked on by the Mac too.

Also, consider Stevie's life at the time. She'd had a huge #1 solo album that, according to her, none of the members of her band even acknowledged. And that after being on a year-plus long tour/drug binge with them for Tusk. Then, she cuts short her own wave of success to rejoin the group for Mirage. And just as that album and tour really get going, her best friend dies of Leukemia. Then she marries Robin's widower (...enough said...).

And that's just the Mac side of things. Factor in the influences of Don Henley, Jimmy Iovine, and Tom Petty & crew, against the music business which was in upheaval due to the "new" little cable channel called MTV and all the new British synth-pop bands that were making a major dent in the "'70s Rock" music format.

The way I think of TWH is the sound of a woman being pulled in a million different directions: under the influence of drugs, unfulfilling relationships (for whatever reasons), death, and last (but not least) ungodly amounts of wealth generated by her work. Few people take her seriously, critics repeatedly slam her for both her music and her changing 30-year old body (again, for many reasons), and now she has to add videos to her music and be beautiful and sexy every second of every day.

And the result? A wild, fun, somewhat uneven album where she's trying to mesh all these influences together. And still have fun and be crazy and be in love and work hard to keep everybody happy and making money, all at the same time.

And that's where I think the album cover emerged -- a woman covered in black dread and insecurity (the antithesis to BD's white innocence) being pulled apart by all these forces.

Whew. I guess all that's left to say is, "Dare my wild heart..."

[Nixxxed]

And one other quick thing...

Your title says "...what is the big deal with this CD?". The Wild Heart sounds HORRIBLE on CD - all the atmosphere and soul seemed stripped away. If you have access to a turntable and vinyl copy, perhaps you will enjoy it a little more by listening to it that way (and very loudly if possible).

The title song is the best example. On vinyl, the opening chords and following snare beats rumble and groan -- " *BOOM*-(rumble)- *snap.snap* "... When it was mastered to CD, it ended up coming out " *THUD*-(silence)-*tick.tick*" And Stevie's vocals on the CD almost sound like a completely different person, at least to me.

I don't know any other way to explain it, but there really is a difference, throughout the whole album. :laugh:

[Dark Angel]

The Wild Heart is definitely my favorite Stevie solo album, BD being second favorite.
I love the imagery of the lyrics, the mood of the music....it has a sort of mystical romance about it (Sable On Blond, BATB, WH, IAF), combined with one of her best rockers (Nothing Ever Changes), and then of course, Nightbird..for Robin. There's just so many different emotions going on, yet it meshes together perfectly.

[blinker12]

Love it too, though it sounds a lot more dated than Bella Donna because of the heavy use of synths (take a bow, Sandy Stewart). That's something I always have to try to overlook when listening to the album.

[svnwndrs]

The problem with this CD is the sound quality. It is true that it ACTUALLY sounds better on vinyl, but hopefully Stevie gets the urge soon to remaster (and possibly remix) her earlier albums. I used to listen to it a lot, but I quit because I couldn't stand the crappy sound quality. SO, the album itself is great. The only songs i don't like are "I Will Run To You", and "Nothing Ever Changes". The title track, "If Anyone Falls" and "Stand Back" are awesome!

[Dreammms]

The Wild Heart is definitely my favorite Stevie solo album, BD being second favorite.
I love the imagery of the lyrics, the mood of the music....it has a sort of mystical romance about it (Sable On Blond, BATB, WH, IAF), combined with one of her best rockers (Nothing Ever Changes), and then of course, Nightbird..for Robin. There's just so many different emotions going on, yet it meshes together perfectly.

:xoxo: Well said my friend!!!! I totally agree. Nothing beats WH!

[amber]

Don't worry, I don't love Wild Heart either, although it does contain my fave song. (one of). But I guess I like the last half fairly well, starting with Enchanted. But I like about the same amount on all Stevie's solo records, so I don't know that Wild Heart is really an exception. I think it hasn't totally had the chance to grow on me, I've only had it 8 months or so. To me, so far, the solo album I've listened to most consistently all the way through is OSOTM. :shrug: Though there are some on there I don't like, as well. Not sure what it is about Wild Heart - I think a lot of the songs are dull to me - slow and meandering. :shrug: Weird.

[CrystalVisions]

I love the 'Wild Heart' record...the songs are, as Stevie says, 'wild.' I don't know how else to explain it. My favourite song is 'The Wild Heart' ~ the music, the lyrics, the way Stevie sings it...the harmonies of her, Sharon and Lori ~ it's just really wild, really beautiful. :angel:

[trackaghost]

The Wild Heart is the best Stevie album without a doubt.

It's just filled with passion, joy and so much energy. It's just a rush to listen to it. It's epic and lush and I still love it. I also think it's the last album where Stevie's voice was truly breathtaking, it sort of went downhill after that (although it's improved in recent years).

Whoever said it sounds better on vinyl is right, although I think Bella Donna does too.

[dissention]

No matter how much I try I just can't get into this record. It seems like a strong album but I just don't have the same passion for the songs that I do with other Stevie albums. I know this is a lot of people's favorite Stevie record, so I feel kind of left out. Is there some secret that I'm not in on? This album just does nothing for me. All the songs seem to be strong, but not special. Most of her other albums have a couple of horrible tracks but I prefer those to a mundane song like Gate and Garden because they have a much stronger personality. Just thought I would share some thoughts and see what other people's opinions are on this album.

The Wild Heart is mundane? Aren't you in love with My Heart? :o

[dissention]

The Wild Heart is the best Stevie album without a doubt.

It's just filled with passion, joy and so much energy. It's just a rush to listen to it. It's epic and lush and I still love it. I also think it's the last album where Stevie's voice was truly breathtaking, it sort of went downhill after that (although it's improved in recent years).

Whoever said it sounds better on vinyl is right, although I think Bella Donna does too.

:nod::nod::nod:

With the exception of the awful Beauty and the Beast, I think it's my favorite Stevie album. You could tell her voice was starting to deteriorate, yet it sounded better than ever; she hit some of the highest notes of her career on The Wild Heart. Most of the songs on it are amongst my favorite songs from her. It's a very warm album and I think it's her real gem.

[dissention]

sable on blond: diss likes it, how can anyone else not?


:laugh:

It's fabulous. So lush and so beautiful.

[chiliD]

To me, Wild Heart really hasn't "stood the test of time", with the exception of two songs..."Sable On Blond" & "Beauty & The Beast". The rest of the album sounds either EXTREMELY dated or a redundancy to Bella Donna. "Stand Back" sounds really weak on this, whereas the live punch of the Fleetwood Mac reading of the song has kicked it up a few "Emeril notches".

I really liked it when it was released, but I rarely play it now...except to listen to the two aforementioned tunes.

[David]

The Wild Heart is the best Stevie album without a doubt. It's just filled with passion, joy and so much energy. It's just a rush to listen to it. It's epic and lush and I still love it. I also think it's the last album where Stevie's voice was truly breathtakingI agree with trackaghost. I remember what a rush this album was because it was so vocally confident & rapturous. If you first heard that title track when it was new, you had never heard anything like that vocal from Stevie Nicks. (You already had poignant hints of it on the Fleetwood Mac tour that happened bfore "The Wild Heart.") Stevie was spreading her wings & flying on the newfound confidence of having scored with "Bella Donna" & her fans were flying along with her. They played "Stand Back" on the radio just before Stevie's appearance at the US Festival, & the Macheads all wanted to go to that US Festival to see her. There really was electricity in the air, & it carried through the summer as we all got to see her solo, playing cavernous sports arenas (for essentially the first time by herself). Jim Ladd "innerviewed" her that summer & a lot of us Macheads went down to KMET to camp out & wait for her. The whole shebang was in love with Stevie Nicks -- she said in interviews back then that "My audiences & I are all in love," & it was true!

In more specific terms, the album has a lot of the flaws that her solo albums all have: in terms of instrumentation, arrangement & production, it's mainstream & mundane. I can't think of a single work by the L.A. studio session scene that has left any important mark musically as an aesthetic milestone. Rock & roll is a band scene, not a hire-guys-for-their-chops scene.

The real beauty of "The Wild Heart" is Stevie's singing. Her songwriting is pretty wild, too, & appealing because if you're still 33 years old & you look like a million bucks in your chiffon & custom plats, your incoherent, weird, feverish fantasies & schoolgirl ideas of mysticism actually hit home pretty powerfully.

[GateandGarden]

To me, Wild Heart really hasn't "stood the test of time", with the exception of two songs..."Sable On Blond" & "Beauty & The Beast". The rest of the album sounds either EXTREMELY dated or a redundancy to Bella Donna. "Stand Back" sounds really weak on this, whereas the live punch of the Fleetwood Mac reading of the song has kicked it up a few "Emeril notches".

I really liked it when it was released, but I rarely play it now...except to listen to the two aforementioned tunes.Do you think that "Gate and Garden" is more dated or more of a revisit to Bella Donna?

[strandinthewind]

. . . has kicked it up a few "Emeril notches"

BAM

:D :D :D

[ELIUD]

I love this entire album but I still wouldn't say its her best or my favorite. Gate and Garden is one of my favorite tracks on it primarily for its ending vocals, both Stevie's and the back up singers'. There's something so very sexy about her cooing "do I love you? uh huh..." and repeating that until she's belting it out.

[strandinthewind]

I agree with trackaghost. I remember what a rush this album was because it was so vocally confident & rapturous. If you first heard that title track when it was new, you had never heard anything like that vocal from Stevie Nicks. (You already had poignant hints of it on the Fleetwood Mac tour that happened bfore "The Wild Heart.") Stevie was spreading her wings & flying on the newfound confidence of having scored with "Bella Donna" & her fans were flying along with her. They played "Stand Back" on the radio just before Stevie's appearance at the US Festival, & the Macheads all wanted to go to that US Festival to see her. There really was electricity in the air, & it carried through the summer as we all got to see her solo, playing cavernous sports arenas (for essentially the first time by herself). Jim Ladd "innerviewed" her that summer & a lot of us Macheads went down to KMET to camp out & wait for her. The whole shebang was in love with Stevie Nicks -- she said in interviews back then that "My audiences & I are all in love," & it was true!

In more specific terms, the album has a lot of the flaws that her solo albums all have: in terms of instrumentation, arrangement & production, it's mainstream & mundane. I can't think of a single work by the L.A. studio session scene that has left any important mark musically as an aesthetic milestone. Rock & roll is a band scene, not a hire-guys-for-their-chops scene.

The real beauty of "The Wild Heart" is Stevie's singing. Her songwriting is pretty wild, too, & appealing because if you're still 33 years old & you look like a million bucks in your chiffon & custom plats, your incoherent, weird, feverish fantasies & schoolgirl ideas of mysticism actually hit home pretty powerfully.

Bless you for this - ITA - I was not in Calif. I was about 15 years old and living in Lafayette, Louisiana. People there were camped outside of Raccoon Records, there were really no HMV's then :lazugh: - the night before to get this record. That is how popular she was then. When I got it, I reveled in the high notes she pierced unflinchinly as well as the groovy artwork and romantic undertones. I remember going to NYC with my parents soon thereafter and people were humming Stand Back in the hotel as it was playing over the speakers. I remember her coming in concert and I could not go and me and a few of my friends being HEARTBROKEN after failing to convince out teacher to let us take the test at another time instead of the day after the concert.

I think WH was the end of an era for her and I loved having been able to have lived through that and witnessed it.

Thus, I love the record and take it for what it is. BD is, however, my favorite.

[chiliD]

Do you think that "Gate and Garden" is more dated or more of a revisit to Bella Donna?

"Gate & Garden" is the BD revisit...well, actually, I think it's the "missing link" between Bella Donna & Rock A Little...it sounds like it could've been on either album. But, then Rock A Little had "Some Become Strangers" which sounds like "Gate & Garden PART TWO" already. :shrug:

Actually, I should've mentioned G&G, too...so, I basically listen to Wild Heart for THREE songs, not just the two I mentioned previously.

[GateandGarden]

"Gate & Garden" is the BD revisit...well, actually, I think it's the "missing link" between Bella Donna & Rock A Little...it sounds like it could've been on either album. But, then Rock A Little had "Some Become Strangers" which sounds like "Gate & Garden PART TWO" already. :shrug:

Actually, I should've mentioned G&G, too...so, I basically listen to Wild Heart for THREE songs, not just the two I mentioned previously.Interesting! Thanks! *goes to find RAL to listen to "Some Become Strangers" again* :)

[SuzeQuze]

:laugh:

It's fabulous. So lush and so beautiful.

Cute. I also love this song (Sable on Blonde) and this album. I guess you sort of have to be a romantic type to like it. Maybe not but that's my gut reaction on this one. And I once had the experience of being so in love with someone that I could not be with and it was "don't blame it on me, blame it on my wild heart". I think I really got it then.

Diss, I also used to hate BATB but I can appreciate it now. I would love to see the Jean Cocteau film that she was inspired by. I love her little demo where she tells the story of seeing this film and then sings the song.

[dissention]

Cute. I also love this song (Sable on Blonde) and this album. I guess you sort of have to be a romantic type to like it. Maybe not but that's my gut reaction on this one. And I once had the experience of being so in love with someone that I could not be with and it was "don't blame it on me, blame it on my wild heart". I think I really got it then.

Diss, I also used to hate BATB but I can appreciate it now. I would love to see the Jean Cocteau film that she was inspired by. I love her little demo where she tells the story of seeing this film and then sings the song.

Heeee, I'm not romantic. :P

The Cocteau film is great, I just can't stand the song. I hate when she starts bleating "Where is my beast?" and "Oooh, La Bete," drives me batty. I don't care for it at all and am so glad she doesn't do it live anymore. :laugh:

[amber]

Heeee, I'm not romantic. :P

The Cocteau film is great, I just can't stand the song. I hate when she starts bleating "Where is my beast?" and "Oooh, La Bete," drives me batty. I don't care for it at all and am so glad she doesn't do it live anymore. :laugh:
Everything you just said is so wrong for so many reasons. Bleating Stevie is best! almost as good as screaming Stevie. I consider that song a strange, wonderful, vocal masterpiece. *blllllppbbbbbbtttt*

[Somajoseph]

The big deal about The Wild Heart is that it was Stevie's follow up to Bella Donna, which established her, instantly, as a huge solo act.
Back in 1983 FM radio wasnt the corporate thing it is now, and I remember hearing "Enchanted", "I Will Run To You", "Nightbird", "If Anyone Falls", "Stand Back" and "Nothing Ever Changes" on the radio all the time.
In alot of ways it was more exciting because we heard so much of the album on the radio. And she was on the road for her first extended solo tour. I saw one of the first Wild Heart shows out in the desert with 100,000 other people at the US Festival outside Los Angeles. That was a show I'll never forget.
SO there was certainly alot of exposure with both the tour and the album.

Joseph

[strandinthewind]

The big deal about The Wild Heart is that it was Stevie's follow up to Bella Donna, which established her, instantly, as a huge solo act.
Back in 1983 FM radio wasnt the corporate thing it is now, and I remember hearing "Enchanted", "I Will Run To You", "Nightbird", "If Anyone Falls", "Stand Back" and "Nothing Ever Changes" on the radio all the time.
In alot of ways it was more exciting because we heard so much of the album on the radio. And she was on the road for her first extended solo tour. I saw one of the first Wild Heart shows out in the desert with 100,000 other people at the US Festival outside Los Angeles. That was a show I'll never forget.
SO there was certainly alot of exposure with both the tour and the album.

Joseph

I could not have said it any better and am soooooo jealous that you saw the US Festival :cool:

[Nixxxed]

The big deal about The Wild Heart is that it was Stevie's follow up to Bella Donna, which established her, instantly, as a huge solo act.
Back in 1983 FM radio wasnt the corporate thing it is now, and I remember hearing "Enchanted", "I Will Run To You", "Nightbird", "If Anyone Falls", "Stand Back" and "Nothing Ever Changes" on the radio all the time.
In alot of ways it was more exciting because we heard so much of the album on the radio. And she was on the road for her first extended solo tour. I saw one of the first Wild Heart shows out in the desert with 100,000 other people at the US Festival outside Los Angeles. That was a show I'll never forget.
SO there was certainly alot of exposure with both the tour and the album.

Joseph
Yes! The rock station in Houston (RIP 97-Rock!) played those, with NEC, SB, and "Enchanted" in heavy rotation. PLUS they sometimes played "Violet and Blue" and "Blue Lamp", and a few times played "Sleeping Angel" on their weekly dedication show. (awwwwww ... :xoxo: )

This was also the station that played the radio show versions of the Bella Donna and Mirage concerts when they originally aired, and then again the weekend before TWH concert as a promo for the show.

[The Tower]

I could not have said it any better and am soooooo jealous that you saw the US Festival :cool:
Hey, babe, I still have my tee-shirt from that night. It doesn't fit me and is ragged as hell....

The Wild Heart was the zenith of Stevie's voice (HELLO!!! "Enchanted" !!!!!). She never reclaimed its power after that. I directly attribute it to the cigarette smoking.... Idiot!!!

[GateandGarden]

Heeee, I'm not romantic. :P

The Cocteau film is great, I just can't stand the song. I hate when she starts bleating "Where is my beast?" and "Oooh, La Bete," drives me batty. I don't care for it at all and am so glad she doesn't do it live anymore. :laugh:I have to agree with you there. I don't like any of the live performances. When she shifts into overdrive, I can't take it anymore.

[skcin]

TWH is tied with TISL as my second favorite Stevie album. (Bella Donna is first).

I absolutely adore "Beauty and the Beast." ( :wavey: Diss). I love the strings, and if I'm in the right mood, it can move me to tears. "Sable on Blond" is her best vocal on the album and features some of her best lyrics ever.

Ditto to all of the above. :nod:

[CrystalVisions]

I think WH was the end of an era for her and I loved having been able to have lived through that and witnessed it.

Thus, I love the record and take it for what it is. BD is, however, my favorite.

I totally agree with this ~ and couldn't of said it better myself! I, too, think it was the end of an era for her. I think the drugs really started to get in the way after 'The Wild Heart,' although I know there were times on the 'The Wild Heart' tour that you could tell it was getting a little out-of-hand. But I think the songs changed a bit after this record, the mood, and even her appearance. It was just different.

[CrystalVisions]

The whole shebang was in love with Stevie Nicks -- she said in interviews back then that "My audiences & I are all in love," & it was true!

The real beauty of "The Wild Heart" is Stevie's singing. Her songwriting is pretty wild, too, & appealing because if you're still 33 years old & you look like a million bucks in your chiffon & custom plats, your incoherent, weird, feverish fantasies & schoolgirl ideas of mysticism actually hit home pretty powerfully.

You said it perfectly, David ~ I remember it so well, and that's exactly how it was...so many of my friends at that time were into Pat Benetar's look and songs, and nothing against Pat (she's great), but I was like, 'how could you not like those chiffon dresses, those boots, that hair, and those beautiful songs sung by that voice?' I was the only one where I lived walking around with 'Stevie hair' back then...and :o now, lol.

[xxxmx]

I also used to hate BATB but I can appreciate it now... I love her little demo where she tells the story of seeing this film and then sings the song.I like this demo, but my fave is the simple piano demo. I think it's going around on Piano Demos Disc 1. The vocals are much more delicate, there's not as much 'bleating' and there's certainly not as much cocaine.

also, singing along with BATB drunk is fabtastic... :nod:
my band will have a rad cover of this recorded soon. if you don't like the original, you'll looove the cover!

[skcin]

also, singing along with BATB drunk is fabtastic... :nod:



BBBBBWWWWAAAAAHHHHAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's funny because it's true. :nod:

[amber]

also, singing along with BATB drunk is fabtastic... :nod:

:lol: :lol:
Omigod - that's totally what I was thinking about!!!! :lol: :lol: The many joyful drunk caterwaulings I have had to this song.... :lol:

[sable]

i absolutely love this album :thumbsup: ,ive noticed tho that alot of you who are giving their insights into the songs are missing out sable on blonde. :shocked:

This is a fantastic song and im not even sure what it is i love about it but it is definately one of my all time favourite stevie songs. :angel:

~~~~kezzie~~~~

[tommer]

the wild heart is my most beloved album in my entire records collection. in terms of sheer quality i think it's better than BD coz of 3 reasons,
1: it doesn't contain even a single stinker, especially no country shit.
2: I Will Run To You kicks Stop Draggin' My Heart Around's ass.
3: Beauty & The Beast is a song that goes WAY beyond perfection, in fact it's the single song i'll skip there, but only because usually it's too emotionally heavy on me, if i'm in the wrong mood i can be left depressed for hours later.

on a more personal level, it was my first solo stevie album, after 18 years, i can still remember the day i bought it as if it was yesterday, i remember the 1st time i played it, i remember how our neighbours' daughter who saw me with it asked me to borrow it for an hour, to make herself a tape copy, i remember how haunted i was right from the moment i first heard Wild Heart. oddly enough i can also recall exactly how much i paid for it, at the the time i was able to afford a new album every other week, and i remember its being a terribly overpriced imported LP, which made me rather pissed realizing i didn't even have enough money on me to buy it the 1st time i planned. saving my allowance to purchase it the following week must have been the smartest investment i ever made.

overall Christopher, i think you musn't give up on this one, keep playing it over and over again (note: this is a "night" album, maybe you better try it on later hours) and i'm sure you'll end up slowly surrendering its dark charm, it'll grow on you, i promise.

[AliceLover]

Chris I have to agree with you. The Wild Heart is my least favorite album just because I only listen to 3 songs from it. The rest is just not my liking. I like most of everything else. OSOTM is my album that I like, but I think BD is her strongest. I never listen to this cd at all. Some positives though, Stand Back is an all time classic for me. IT NEVER GETS OLD, NEVER. If Anyone Falls is just a good song, plain and simple, I love it! Enchanted is a nice kicker to get you goin. Sable on Blonde and Gate and Garden didn't do much for me. But I do think I am a different type of Nicks fan condering one of my favorite songs is alice and I like a lot of shows from the klonopin era. But to each his/her own.


But I must say, I Will Run to You has to be the most boring song I have ever heard.

Jimmy :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

But I must say, I Will Run to You has to be the most boring song I have ever heard.



and Alice has to be the most boring song I have ever heard. ;) :)

[amber]

and Alice has to be the most boring song I have ever heard. ;) :)
yeah, I like run to you. Don't like Alice that much. it's okay, though.

[Moony]

and Alice has to be the most boring song I have ever heard. ;) :)

:nod: also, one of the worst songs I've ever heard.

<33333 for The Wild Heart. Right now, it's my favorite Stevie record. Standouts for me, If Anyone Falls, Gate and Garden, Enchanted, Stand Back, Sable on Blonde, Beauty and the Beast. :)

[strandinthewind]

yeah, I like run to you. Don't like Alice that much. it's okay, though.


I think the imagery (sp.?) in Alice is stunning and it almost cathes the same ethereal quality as many of her songs. I think it fails becaue Alice through the looking glass - though perhaps appropriate to her life, was a somewhat trite description and the third person was beginning to work against her pretty much at this point. But, I give the song maybe a C or even a D were it not for the stanza:

Each had their own charm...
Buried beneath a solid piece of armour...or a steel plated vest
Some carry a stiletto in their garter along with everything else --
that they carry...Oh, call my name...

is waaaaay cool and evokes a Mata Hari siletto in the garter vision for me.

[diamondsnake]

I like this demo, but my fave is the simple piano demo. I think it's going around on Piano Demos Disc 1. The vocals are much more delicate, there's not as much 'bleating' and there's certainly not as much cocaine.

also, singing along with BATB drunk is fabtastic... :nod:
my band will have a rad cover of this recorded soon. if you don't like the original, you'll looove the cover!
If she does Beauty and the Beast in Vegas (which is possible) I will die happy!

[diamondsnake]

Chris I have to agree with you. The Wild Heart is my least favorite album just because I only listen to 3 songs from it. The rest is just not my liking. I like most of everything else. OSOTM is my album that I like, but I think BD is her strongest. I never listen to this cd at all. Some positives though, Stand Back is an all time classic for me. IT NEVER GETS OLD, NEVER. If Anyone Falls is just a good song, plain and simple, I love it! Enchanted is a nice kicker to get you goin. Sable on Blonde and Gate and Garden didn't do much for me. But I do think I am a different type of Nicks fan condering one of my favorite songs is alice and I like a lot of shows from the klonopin era. But to each his/her own.


But I must say, I Will Run to You has to be the most boring song I have ever heard.

Jimmy :)
Alice is one of my favorite songs and like I have said before TOSOTM is my favorite Stevie album. That is the one Stevie record I never, ever skip one song on when I listen to it. It just has this magical flow and you can't hit the skip button or else the mood is ruined.

The song Alice is an aquired taste but is one of my favorite Stevie songs. Maybe because I know that it is about drugs and how Stevie wanted to go "back to the other side of the mirror". The whole TOSOTM album has fantastic lyrics. I love Doing the Best that I Can (if only for the line "In my way... disaster was the o0nly thing that I could depend on") and it includes the best cover song Stevie has ever recorded (in my opinion) I Still Miss Someone. And Rooms On Fire is just one of those songs that makes me smile (like the song Say You Will), especially when I hear the line "there is magic all around you every time you walk in the room" I love it!

But back to the topic at hand, I don't hate TWH, I just don't have the urge to pop it in my CD player the way I do with all my other Stevie records. But then again, I have been listening to Street Angel more then any other CD lately, so I guess I am just crazy! Put me in a straight jacket and a padded cell because "Docklands" is one of my favorite songs! No joke.

[The Tower]

Put me in a straight jacket and a padded cell because "Docklands" is one of my favorite songs!
I've already placed the call, my dear.

"Alice" is great. Very, very good.

"I Will Run to You" is an acquired taste but, I like it a a lot.

Some positives though, Stand Back is an all time classic for me. IT NEVER GETS OLD, NEVER.
The album version was old the day it came out. How cheezy-dated-synth can you get???? Oy. I think it's Stevie's most dated song.

Live is another story.............

[diamondsnake]

I've already placed the call, my dear.

"Alice" is great. Very, very good.

"I Will Run to You" is an acquired taste but, I like it a a lot.


The album version was old the day it came out. How cheezy-dated-synth can you get???? Oy. I think it's Stevie's most dated song.

Live is another story.............
The album version of Standback isn't all that... I agree. But, like you said, Standback live is just a ball of energy, at least on the SYW tour it was fantastic.

[amber]

Just for the record - I still love original stand back. It has a sensuality and steady beat that the live versions don't have. :D I love it, live, too, though.

[dissention]

Just for the record - I still love original stand back. It has a sensuality and steady beat that the live versions don't have. :D I love it, live, too, though.

I love Stand Back, but am I the only one who thinks that it has some of her most inane and ridiculous lyrics? I mean, jeezum crow, that chorus.

And Tower, clean out your goddamned PMs.

[amber]

I love Stand Back, but am I the only one who thinks that it has some of her most inane and ridiculous lyrics? I mean, jeezum crow, that chorus.

And Tower, clean out your goddamned PMs.
I like those lyrics. :shrug: I think they are actually pretty cohesive as far as Stevie goes...even a bit, dare I say it...universal?

[ontheEdgeof17]

I like those lyrics. :shrug: I think they are actually pretty cohesive as far as Stevie goes...even a bit, dare I say it...universal?


No one thinks it's alright to be standing in a line, my dear. ;)

[AliceLover]

I agree that Alice is an aquired taste. I kind of feel that it flubs on the album but really does great live. it has such great form and content live. one reason why I like the song so much. "Like Alice through the looking glass, she used to know who she was", what a great line, love it!

Yes Stand Back live, thats what I meant.


Jimmy

[strandinthewind]

. . .

And Tower, clean out your goddamned PMs.

what are you two saying about me - am I paranoid :eek:

[dissention]

I like those lyrics. :shrug: I think they are actually pretty cohesive as far as Stevie goes...even a bit, dare I say it...universal?

Rolling Stone didn't see it that way. :laugh:

I love the song, but I never realized how half-baked the lyrics were until Storytellers (which is actually my favorite version). When she's singing "In the middle of my room, I did not hear from you/It's alright, it's alright/To be standing in a line/Well, I would," I chuckle a bit. They're just...kinda dumb. :o

[amber]

No one thinks it's alright to be standing in a line, my dear. ;)
But everyone knows what it means.... :woohoo: oh, no winkies, please.

[ontheEdgeof17]

oh, no winkies, please.


Why? What happened? Afraid of 'tha wink'?

[strandinthewind]

Rolling Stone didn't see it that way. :laugh:

I love the song, but I never realized how half-baked the lyrics were until Storytellers (which is actually my favorite version). When she's singing "In the middle of my room, I did not hear from you/It's alright, it's alright/To be standing in a line/Well, I would," I chuckle a bit. They're just...kinda dumb. :o


Did you just rely on RS for validation :D

BTW - I agree they are kind of silly - but I still love them!

[amber]

Rolling Stone didn't see it that way. :laugh:

I love the song, but I never realized how half-baked the lyrics were until Storytellers (which is actually my favorite version). When she's singing "In the middle of my room, I did not hear from you/It's alright, it's alright/To be standing in a line/Well, I would," I chuckle a bit. They're just...kinda dumb. :o
Okay. I don't think it's that dumb. But I don't care anyway. By the way, right now I feel like you are criticizing my firstborn child.... :laugh: Since, you know, I fell in love with that song, when I was only 10...wait, I mean....8....years disappeared, I could never find it again....

[amber]

Why? What happened? Afraid of 'tha wink'?
Yep! so afraid. Actually, it's just patronising. I've come to loathe the wink.... :laugh:

[dissention]

Did you just rely on RS for validation :D

Actually, I quite like all of Rolling Stone's reviews of her albums. They were pretty spot-on in their observations about her music. :nod: I particularly liked the RAL review.

[ontheEdgeof17]

Yep! so afraid. Actually, it's just patronising. I've come to loathe the wink.... :laugh:


I could turn this into something sexual, but I won't.

[strandinthewind]

Actually, I quite like all of Rolling Stone's reviews of her albums. They were pretty spot-on in their observations about her music. :nod: I particularly liked the RAL review.


So let me get this straight - you despise RS unless they are reviewing La Nicks :D Then - they are okay :laugh:

[amber]

I could turn this into something sexual, but I won't.
Now that would be a good place for a wink!

[The Tower]

IAnd Tower, clean out your goddamned PMs.

Done!!!!! :sorry:

[The Tower]

what are you two saying about me - am I paranoid :eek:

:xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: :xoxo: :D :]

[Johnny Stew]

So let me get this straight - you despise RS unless they are reviewing La Nicks :D Then - they are okay :laugh:Our dissy loves any review or comment that's snarky towards Stevie... haven't you picked up on that yet? ;) :laugh:

[Hawkeye]

Hey, babe, I still have my tee-shirt from that night. It doesn't fit me and is ragged as hell....

The Wild Heart was the zenith of Stevie's voice (HELLO!!! "Enchanted" !!!!!). She never reclaimed its power after that. I directly attribute it to the cigarette smoking.... Idiot!!!

You're saying ENCHANTED is the zenith of Stevie's voice??? of all the songs from that album, Enchanted has to be one of the plainest least knock out of a vocal on there. Sharon and Lori do most of the singing on that song. Now SAB, Nothing Ever Changes, Wild Heart, even Gate and Garden really show off her voice.

[strandinthewind]

Our dissy loves any review or comment that's snarky towards Stevie... haven't you picked up on that yet? ;) :laugh:

I know - bless his liberal Tax - assachusetts heart :laugh: :laugh: :wavey:

[strandinthewind]

You're saying ENCHANTED is the zenith of Stevie's voice??? of all the songs from that album, Enchanted has to be one of the plainest least knock out of a vocal on there. Sharon and Lori do most of the singing on that song. Now SAB, Nothing Ever Changes, Wild Heart, even Gate and Garden really show off her voice.

When she soars in the "Have you come to see that my fave is not SEEENNNNN . . . " I just about die everytime. Towie (or anyone else) - is than an E above the measure? and is that the highest note she hits on the record because her harmony on the "I" of I will run to you and her "DARE" in dare my wild heart - arm up there as well. Where the hell is that CD :laugh:

[Kelly]

I dig the lyrics to SB, strange though they may be, because I feel that are actually pretty revealing about Stevie's state of mind when she wrote them. However, when she tried to say that by "standing in a line" she meant a WELFARE line..she entered into ridiculousness. As if anyone would buy that one sweetheart.

[The Tower]

You're saying ENCHANTED is the zenith of Stevie's voice???
No, what I meant, but didn't convey very well is that "Enchanted" is a great example of how far, reckless and wild she was willing to go back then. The vamp on that song is amazing.

Of all the songs from that album, Enchanted has to be one of the plainest least knock out of a vocal on there.
Nope. That honor goes to "If Anyone Falls" - yuck....

Now SAB, Nothing Ever Changes, Wild Heart, even Gate and Garden really show off her voice.
Agreed. Especially "Nothing Ever Changes"- talk about wild!

When she soars in the "Have you come to see that my fave is not SEEENNNNN . . . " I just about die everytime. Towie (or anyone else) - is than an E above the measure?
I'm not at the piano, but I believe the "seee" of the "seee - een" is a B above middle C. It the same note as the "neah" from the "neah-ver get away" from the end of "Silver Springs". It's a high note to hit, but I'll betcha Stevie could still do it if she wanted to.

And is that the highest note she hits on the record because her harmony on the "I" of I will run to you and her "DARE" in dare my wild heart - arm up there as well. Where the hell is that CD?
The highest note she hits is an E-flat one octave above middle C during "Wild Heart". It's at the point near the end of the song where she sings, "Wild, wild, wild, WIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLDD heaaaarrrt!!!" Great moment.

[strandinthewind]

Ah Ha!!!!!

All this talk of middle C makes we want to go over and play my piano - which I do not do well and it still lives where I used to live - so it probably won't happen :laugh:

Thanks for the info though and let us form a caring circle and meditate that she sings ALL songs mostly above middle C - hey I can wish! The worst I have ever heard her lower a song was SDMHA on the TISL tour - Oy :eek:

Interestingly, I wonder if she will sing anything from SYW. I would DIE for Smile at You in the range she recorded it on SYW and gave it a cool live arrangement!!!

[The Tower]

The worst I have ever heard her lower a song was SDMHA on the TISL tour - Oy :eek:
The WORST!!!!! It was like a smack in the face. Having that song as the opener and then singing it in that key was like popping a balloon. All the energy and venom in that song disappeared. :mad:

[strandinthewind]

The WORST!!!!! It was like a smack in the face. Having that song as the opener and then singing it in that key was like popping a balloon. All the energy and venom in that song disappeared. :mad:


Much less she sang it in what appeared to sound like two notes - though I love her - I cringed. Come on darling - jack it up a notch - BAM!

[LiquidBlue5000]

Ah Ha!!!!!

All this talk of middle C makes we want to go over and play my piano - which I do not do well and it still lives where I used to live - so it probably won't happen :laugh:

Thanks for the info though and let us form a caring circle and meditate that she sings ALL songs mostly above middle C - hey I can wish! The worst I have ever heard her lower a song was SDMHA on the TISL tour - Oy :eek:

Interestingly, I wonder if she will sing anything from SYW. I would DIE for Smile at You in the range she recorded it on SYW and gave it a cool live arrangement!!!

It's doubtful she'll do anything from SYW... and if she did Smile At You they way she did it on SYW, half of the audience will start heading to the bathrooms and concession stands.. the other half will be sleeping.. :p

[David]

if she did Smile At You they way she did it on SYW, half of the audience will start heading to the bathrooms and concession stands.. the other half will be sleeping.Why doesn't she sing with any vibrato on that damn track?

whenever she deliberately avoids her natural vibrato, the effect is like a blast of unmodulated wind passing through a shofar. Her fans actually think that's cool?

[LiquidBlue5000]

Why doesn't she sing with any vibrato on that damn track?

whenever she deliberately avoids her natural vibrato, the effect is like a blast of unmodulated wind passing through a shofar. Her fans actually think that's cool?

That song never should have made SYW as is... :distress:

[The Tower]

Why doesn't she sing with any vibrato on that damn track?

whenever she deliberately avoids her natural vibrato, the effect is like a blast of unmodulated wind passing through a shofar. Her fans actually think that's cool?
She doesn't really have it anymore. The smoking killed it- and her lack of paying attention to vocal skills nailed the coffin.

[amber]

She doesn't really have it anymore. The smoking killed it- and her lack of paying attention to vocal skills nailed the coffin.
My voice teacher told me that it wasn't good for your voice to sing with a vibrato, and also that many people have them because of vocal damage. :shrug: So maybe she's trying to sing more healthfully.

[LiquidBlue5000]

My voice teacher told me that it wasn't good for your voice to sing with a vibrato, and also that many people have them because of vocal damage. :shrug: So maybe she's trying to sing more healthfully.

She's never sounded quite the same since the dance... from Enchanted on, her voice has been thinner and less powerful... i wonder why.. voice lessons perhaps?? honestly, i think she sounded better on the street angel tour and the dance tour than the TISL tour...

[strandinthewind]

She's never sounded quite the same since the dance... from Enchanted on, her voice has been thinner and less powerful... i wonder why.. voice lessons perhaps?? honestly, i think she sounded better on the street angel tour and the dance tour than the TISL tour...

I agree her voice was ON FIRE for SA and The Dance. Personally, I thought her voice soared for most of Enchanted as evidenced by her singing and mostly soaring on Sleeping Angel, which often brought me to tears with its effect.

I realize she was not well for most of the TISL tour, but even in the first couple of shows, she was soooo guarded with her voice. Same for SYW with the possible exception of BC, which was IMO stunning.

I guess she is just careful now that she is older. The last thing she wants to do is cancel concert dates becuase of that.

[dissention]

She's never sounded quite the same since the dance... from Enchanted on, her voice has been thinner and less powerful... i wonder why.. voice lessons perhaps?? honestly, i think she sounded better on the street angel tour and the dance tour than the TISL tour...

I've been saying that for years. :nod:

Want to know when it finally went bust? After AHI 2000. Everything after has been vocally weak, thin, and without any stamina. Something happened to her voice after that, seriously. Listen to that boot (and everything else from the nineties leading up to it) and then pop in anything from after it; the difference in her voice is incredibly obvious and kind of sad. It's no longer a powerful insrument like it was during SA, The Dance, and Enchanted and it really does depress me. I remember that the first time I had heard anything from her after that AHI boot was at the Blockbuster Awards and my jaw dropped. Then she went on Rosie and did Every Day and Landslide. Oy vey. It just hasn't been the same since 2000, it's lost something.

[strandinthewind]

I think she jammed on Everyday on Rosie. I think it was really after that that it, for me went downhill. I mean SDMHA was unlistenable - though I did.

[Kelly]

I think she jammed on Everyday on Rosie. I think it was really after that that it, for me went downhill. I mean SDMHA was unlistenable - though I did.

Yes...what was up with that song? Was a it a key change or what? I really do not understand that type of stuff but that particular song sounded bad on TISL. I liked her on Rosie and on various songs since then but Stop Draggin on TISL was scary. I really never recovered from that time she did in in Central Park...after apparently drinking a fifth of something. :D
She forgot at least fifty percent of the words. :eek:

[strandinthewind]

Yes...what was up with that song? Was a it a key change or what? I really do not understand that type of stuff but that particular song sounded bad on TISL. I liked her on Rosie and on various songs since then but Stop Draggin on TISL was scary. I really never recovered from that time she did in in Central Park...after apparently drinking a fifth of something. :D
She forgot at least fifty percent of the words. :eek:


when did she sing that in Central Park - was it the Shine boot with Crowe because Mamma Nicks was having a REAL big time that night - but I think Shine is a club and it is not in the park?

[dissention]

I think she jammed on Everyday on Rosie. I think it was really after that that it, for me went downhill.

Pop in your tape again, lover. Her voice was shot.

[strandinthewind]

Pop in your tape again, lover. Her voice was shot.


Blah Blah Blah :wavey:

[LiquidBlue5000]

when did she sing that in Central Park - was it the Shine boot with Crowe because Mamma Nicks was having a REAL big time that night - but I think Shine is a club and it is not in the park?

The Shine Club, yeah... that performance was a complete mess.. but i dont think she even cared about that... it sounded as if she was hanging out in her living room with Sheryl and they were doing shots in between songs...

[LiquidBlue5000]

Yes...what was up with that song? Was a it a key change or what? I really do not understand that type of stuff but that particular song sounded bad on TISL. I liked her on Rosie and on various songs since then but Stop Draggin on TISL was scary. I really never recovered from that time she did in in Central Park...after apparently drinking a fifth of something. :D
She forgot at least fifty percent of the words. :eek:

which is only 5% more than she usually forgets :p

[blinker12]

remember that the first time I had heard anything from her after that AHI boot was at the Blockbuster Awards and my jaw dropped. Then she went on Rosie and did Every Day and Landslide. Oy vey. It just hasn't been the same since 2000, it's lost something.

It's not been as consistent, but she's still capable of singing well live. See "Beautiful Child" and some "Sara"s from the SYW tour (I know some will disagree with me on the "Sara" thing). Also, I think "Fall from Grace" at Blockbuster was amazing. She really sang that with fire.

I think it's a matter of how much she cares. At the time of Street Angel and The Dance, she was still trying to win back some respect. Now that she's back in the public's good graces, she's gotten a bit lazy again.

[estranged4life]

like the original mix of the WH cd, So I made my own remix in surround sound on my JVC system and it sounded much more deep to my ears :nod:

[LiquidBlue5000]

It's not been as consistent, but she's still capable of singing well live. See "Beautiful Child" and some "Sara"s from the SYW tour (I know some will disagree with me on the "Sara" thing). Also, I think "Fall from Grace" at Blockbuster was amazing. She really sang that with fire.

I think it's a matter of how much she cares. At the time of Street Angel and The Dance, she was still trying to win back some respect. Now that she's back in the public's good graces, she's gotten a bit lazy again.

couldn't agree more

[Johnny Stew]

Now that she's back in the public's good graces, she's gotten a bit lazy again.couldn't agree moreI tend to think it's more the fault of the health issues she's had over the last couple tours, rather than laziness. But I also know most people aren't willing to cut her any slack even for that.

[blinker12]

I tend to think it's more the fault of the health issues she's had over the last couple tours, rather than laziness. But I also know most people aren't willing to cut her any slack even for that.

At any rate, she is still singing wonderfully on her records. There aren't many lackluster vocal performances on either TISL or SYW. That's why I just want her to get back in the studio, and forget performing live for a while!

[Johnny Stew]

At any rate, she is still singing wonderfully on her records. There aren't many lackluster vocal performances on either TISL or SYW. That's why I just want her to get back in the studio, and forget performing live for a while!I'm in complete agreement. I always refer to tours as "time-wasters" between albums. :laugh:

[Nixxxed]

Nixxxed, thanks so much for taking the time to post that "one other quick thing." I busted out my month-old vinyl copy of 'The Wild Heart,' placed it on my turntable and...BAM! There's such a huge difference in sound quality, that I am nearly listening to a different record. The title track is even more powerful than it is on CD--a feat I would never have thought possible. Roy Bittan's organ and piano work throughout the album sound much better on vinyl as well.

Thank you for allowing me to rediscover 'The Wild Heart!' :D
You're so right - Roy's piano on the title track makes the entire album for me, especially near the end when Stevie starts cooing and whispering while Roy is going nuts. The synths on the vinyl version are fab too, pulsing and edgy -- I think they sound the *worst* on the CD, especially on IAF and "Nightbird".

I think to date I've worn out 3 vinyl copies -- I'm currently on my fourth. :D Although I kept my original LP because the cover and lyric insert are better printed. I always loved that the cover was matte. Two of the replacement copies I've bought have been glossy. :shrug:

And I LOVE that you have the vinyl version and a turntable. Especially since they stopped pressing LPs about the time you were born. :laugh: :xoxo:

[diamondsnake]

You're so right - Roy's piano on the title track makes the entire album for me, especially near the end when Stevie starts cooing and whispering while Roy is going nuts. The synths on the vinyl version are fab too, pulsing and edgy -- I think they sound the *worst* on the CD, especially on IAF and "Nightbird".

I think to date I've worn out 3 vinyl copies -- I'm currently on my fourth. :D Although I kept my original LP because the cover and lyric insert are better printed. I always loved that the cover was matte. Two of the replacement copies I've bought have been glossy. :shrug:

And I LOVE that you have the vinyl version and a turntable. Especially since they stopped pressing LPs about the time you were born. :laugh: :xoxo:
Ever since I posted this thread I have been trying to force myself to love this album and so far I am in love with "I Will Run to You"! I never gave that song a chance, but now that I have I love it.

On a different note, whenever I am singing along to Nothing Ever Changes I feel like Michael Jackson singing "come back little boy!"

[eclipse]

You just have to remember she is talking to Lindsey and his Little Boy ways.....I love singing along to that song too...

I don't want to disagree with "someone else" about gate/garden...but the whole first stanza is lame.... I hate it.
But I think once it starts with "Do I love you?" After that, I love it and think that it is a great tune-

And I just wish her voice sounded better on Nightbird, because I love the song but she sounds so very tired and worn out, right from the opening line.

All in all- It isn't my fav albulm/cd-but I do listen a lot <smile>
~~eclipse~~

[dissention]

On a different note, whenever I am singing along to Nothing Ever Changes I feel like Michael Jackson singing "come back little boy!"

Drop the word "back" from that lyric and then it sounds like something Jacko would say and sing.