Best/worst career moves

[blinker12]

What have been Stevie's best and worst career moves aside from joining Fleetwood Mac (clearly her best move ever)?

Best: Creating that whirling dervish stage image

Worst: Never learning to play an instrument well enough to perform on stage
(I almost put "letting Kenny G piddle all over OSOTM," but I don't think that's big enough to call a career move) :)

[thepoetinmyhear]

What have been Stevie's best and worst career moves aside from joining Fleetwood Mac (clearly her best move ever)?

Best: Creating that whirling dervish stage image

Worst: Never learning to play an instrument well enough to perform on stage
(I almost put "letting Kenny G piddle all over OSOTM," but I don't think that's big enough to call a career move) :)

Best: dating lindsey - as far as career moves this directly led to her being in Fleetwood Mac and gaining big exposure.

Worst: KLONOPIN - I know she was thinking that whole "recovering from prescription drugs" would be a good press angle, but geez. Did she have to go so far?

For the record, I am kidding.

[dissention]

Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

[amber]

Oh, nuh uh!
Best - Meeting Lindsey.
Best - going solo.
Best - Coke!
Worst - not taking care of your voice, girl!
Worst - bad lyrics.
Worst - I have to concur with Blinky12 - should have learned an instrument better! although I understand, about being ok at lots of things, but not good at any one.

[amber]

Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:
I shudder at the thought of there never being an EO17, or a SB, or even an I Can't Wait. Stevie without her solo career? = Not Stevie. You go, girl! Man, we would've had so many less kick ass live performances, if it were not for Stevie solo. I can't even believe you said that, especially considering Lindsey's disposition. :distress: Gosh! Gold n Braid? Hello? Sesly. I could not live without the BD performances. I sweah.

[GateandGarden]

Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:Yes you are! :laugh: Mr. Sable on Blonde. :xoxo:

[thepoetinmyhear]

Yes you are! :laugh: Mr. Sable on Blonde. :xoxo:


yeah, if you think Sable and Blond would have EVER made a solo record, you would be sadly mistaken. Plus, without Stevie's solo career you wouldn't have as much ammunition to hate her. Songs like "When I see you Again (whatsamattahbaby)" would have been replaced by Rooms on Fire and other such goodness.

[Johnny Stew]

Songs like "When I see you Again (whatsamattahbaby)" would have been replaced by Rooms on Fire and other such goodness.Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

[thepoetinmyhear]

Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

Oh, I'm sure his argument will be something like less stevie would have meant that she ONLY released her quality songs and the brilliant Mr. Buckingham would have been able to determine which songs these were and force Stevie to forget the others.

My argument doesn't necessarily agree with this (although I imagine plenty of other good songs would have been lost). My argument is that Diss would have nothing to complaing about on these boards if Stevie hadn't gone solo. It's the best thing that ever happened to him :D .

[amber]

Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)
Ah, the lofty position of people who think they are always right. It's admirable, in a way, but not something I could ever achieve. :)

[SteveMacD]

BEST: Quitting smoking and losing weight for "The Dance." She looked great and sounded the part of the older, wiser rocker who went through hell and back and lived to tell. She was/is at her most credible. I mean, when she sings "Landslide" now, you can tell that the song is even more biographical than when she actually wrote it.

WORST: I'd have to say almost everything she did post-RAL, pre-"Twisted," with rock-bottom being the Clinton inauguration. Of course, we all know why those years were hard for Stevie.

[strandinthewind]

Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

and then, of course, there was Sable on Blonde - which was, EXCUSE ME, SOLO :wavey:

[LiquidBlue5000]

BEST: Reuniting with FM in 97 for the dance.

Worst: Not committing herself to keeping in shape and losing weight. She has all the money in the world to hire personal trainers, chefs, counselors, whatever she needs, yet she doesn't do it. :distress:

[glitter_fades]

Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

You are the poet in my heart. :laugh:

BTW, ITA. :thumbsup:

[catinthedark]

Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

[GypsySorcerer]

Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

Yeah, we did. I forgot what I wrote though. :laugh:

[xxxmx]

best: the Dance. paved the way for Enchanted and TISL by reminding audiences that she did not in fact suck.

worst: believing that shoulder pads and teased hair would make her look thinner, not fuglier.

[GateandGarden]

Worst: Not committing herself to keeping in shape and losing weight. She has all the money in the world to hire personal trainers, chefs, counselors, whatever she needs, yet she doesn't do it. :distress:Who says she needs to lose weight?

[blinker12]

Yeah, we did. I forgot what I wrote though. :laugh:

Ooh, did we? Sorry about that... :o

[LiquidBlue5000]

Who says she needs to lose weight?

Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

[Serrart]

Best move: Going solo
Worst move: Believe in the entourage philosophy.

Romy

[GateandGarden]

Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

[Oona]

worst move....but as far as I know it wasn't entirely her choice was parting ways with Iovine. Listen to the qualities of BD and WH, then RAL and on....quite a difference. I guess this roots in the drug/alchohol issues, which one could say was her worst choice. on that note, klonopin and other antidepressants could qualify as a possible second choice for worst moves. I, however disregard that as a WORST move because she was following the advice (misguided as it may have beeen) from a psychiatrist. So I don't think of this as a "choice".
That being said, the best move was getting OFF of antidepressants. there was no way TISL or the SYW trax could have been what it was in her klonopin haze. It is never too late to redeem one's self. Getting off of these drugs may have also have been a contributing factor to the very existance of the Dance project working as well.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

Well, i think she's just about at her Street Angel weight at the moment... except now she has better hair and makeup... but i'm refering to more her 1993 appearance, namely the inauguration... she had blown up and she looked almost distorted- she did not look good at all during that time :distress:

[SteveMacD]

Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..
But a LOT of people do blow up. It happened to me in my grad school days, and I was probably at my most physically active. I would walk my dog all over the campus of the Ohio State University, which I believe is the largest campus in the USA. After I got my dog (about three months after I started grad school), I moved into an apartment, and my diet subsequently improved greatly. It didn't matter. I looked as bloated as ever, I was hardly able to get out of bed some days, I was moody and irrational, and I couldn't stop sweating. And, I stayed bloated for about a year or so after taking myself off those drugs. These drugs play havoc with the body and are a sonuvabeyoch to get off of, which is why I look at that period for Stevie rather sympathetically.

[SteveMacD]

Well, i think she's just about at her Street Angel weight at the moment... except now she has better hair and makeup... but i'm refering to more her 1993 appearance, namely the inauguration... she had blown up and she looked almost distorted- she did not look good at all during that time :distress:
At the moment, I believe Stevie is having hip problems. So it's understandable as to why her weight is up. I thought I read that she was even considering a replacement, but I can't remember for sure. But, my god, she's in her mid-late 50s! Does anybody really expect her to look as she did in her 20s and 30s? I think the big difference between Stevie in 1993 and now is that she doesn't look sick. In fact, Stevie didn't look like herself in 1993. She looked like Mary Travers, who's at least ten years older than Stevie and has had children.

[LiquidBlue5000]

But a LOT of people do blow up. It happened to me in my grad school days, and I was probably at my most physically active. I would walk my dog all over the campus of the Ohio State University, which I believe is the largest campus in the USA. After I got my dog (about three months after I started grad school), I moved into an apartment, and my diet subsequently improved greatly. It didn't matter. I looked as bloated as ever, I was hardly able to get out of bed some days, I was moody and irrational, and I couldn't stop sweating. And, I stayed bloated for about a year or so after taking myself off those drugs. These drugs play havoc with the body and are a sonuvabeyoch to get off of, which is why I look at that period for Stevie rather sympathetically.

I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..

[GateandGarden]

I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..True, but I just don't see why anyone wants that. To me she's such a natural beauty that she can't really go wrong. If I had to pick a time that I personally thought she looked the worst, it wouldn't be '93 but some of the footage and pics I've seen from the '70s, when she had tons of illegal drugs in her. And there were times during that same period when she was skinny to an unhealthy extent. To me, that's worse.

[LiquidBlue5000]

True, but I just don't see why anyone wants that. To me she's such a natural beauty that she can't really go wrong. If I had to pick a time that I personally thought she looked the worst, it wouldn't be '93 but some of the footage and pics I've seen from the '70s, when she had tons of illegal drugs in her. And there were times during that same period when she was skinny to an unhealthy extent. To me, that's worse.


She never looked better than in 1997, imo... everything came together for her and it worked... but she has put weight on since then and it's noticeable.. she still looks great, though... regardless of her age..

[strandinthewind]

She never looked better than in 1997, imo... everything came together for her and it worked... but she has put weight on since then and it's noticeable.. she still looks great, though... regardless of her age..

Other than the BD era, I agree. AND - she was not that rail thin for The Dance. But, I think rail thin is not really the best look for a woman her age - In the end, I think she was beautiful during all era including SA. I just think she was not too happy with herself then and it showed.

[desertangel]

Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

It's probably because most of the posts of late have been about Las Vegas and a lot of Ledgies are not able to go. :(

.....So solly, but we have to make our plans! :D


Laura

[dissention]

Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

Boston. 1996. Free concert. :eek:

She looked sick as a dog. I've seen Casper costumes with a healthier hue to them.

[dissention]

At the moment, I believe Stevie is having hip problems. So it's understandable as to why her weight is up. I thought I read that she was even considering a replacement, but I can't remember for sure. But, my god, she's in her mid-late 50s! Does anybody really expect her to look as she did in her 20s and 30s? I think the big difference between Stevie in 1993 and now is that she doesn't look sick. In fact, Stevie didn't look like herself in 1993. She looked like Mary Travers, who's at least ten years older than Stevie and has had children.

It isn't her hip that's giving her weight "problems," it's The Change, dear. :xoxo:

[dissention]

Other than the BD era, I agree. AND - she was not that rail thin for The Dance. But, I think rail thin is not really the best look for a woman her age - In the end, I think she was beautiful during all era including SA. I just think she was not too happy with herself then and it showed.

Rail thin is not the best look for anyone, regardless of age.

[GateandGarden]

Boston. 1996. Free concert. :eek:

She looked sick as a dog. I've seen Casper costumes with a healthier hue to them.Are there are any pics of that floating around? I'm just curious. Chances are, I'd still be totally taken by her--sick, healthy, rail thin, etc. There are certainly some bad pics of her, but we all have those. Even in the bad ones, I can see her beauty so clearly. :nod::nod: God, she's beautiful.

Sorry, I seem to have slipped away into Stevie fantasy land. Will return shortly. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

It isn't her hip that's giving her weight "problems," it's The Change, dear. :xoxo:

Well, I think it is that. But I also think that she was unable to exercise on the treadmill like she says she likes to had something to do with it as well. I mean when she was holding LB's hand in the dressing room on DR, she looked stunning. Then, on tour, she put on some weight. I think she has a tendancy to put on weight on tour though. She did for TISL, SA, and SYW.

[gldstwmn]

Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

Different anti depressants have different side effects. Klonopin is not an anti depressant, btw.
Unless you've been there, you don't know what it's like. Depression is a horrible, debilitating illness.
Pray that you never get it.

[strandinthewind]

There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:

[GateandGarden]

There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:I just went to the NicksFix to look for pics. I didn't see any for the Boston show in particular, but I thought the others from '96 were gorgeous! There are pics for that Christmas Carol thingy, which was '96, and she's stunning in those to me.

[dissention]

There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:

She was dressed in her witchy stuff. She came out wearing what looked like an ugly white tablecloth that her great gran had made in 1904 over her black garb. It was the most barfugly thing I've seen her wear and that says a lot. :laugh: Her hair was fried (it was yellow), she was so pale that she was corpse-like, and she just seemed...sickly. I was worried, personally.

[strandinthewind]

The Boston show ones are below the Christmas Carol ones - http://nicksfix.com/oct12pho.htm

Edit - I was mistaen, the non witchey garb ones are from Florida that year http://nicksfix.com/july4pho.htm

[gldstwmn]

She was dressed in her witchy stuff. She came out wearing what looked like an ugly white tablecloth that her great gran had made in 1904 over her black garb. It was the most barfugly thing I've seen her wear and that says a lot. :laugh: Her hair was fried (it was yellow), she was so pale that she was corpse-like, and she just seemed...sickly. I was worried, personally.

She does look sickly in those photos.

[GateandGarden]

The Boston show ones are below the Christmas Carol ones - http://nicksfix.com/oct12pho.htm

Edit - I was mistaen, the non witchey garb ones are from Florida that year http://nicksfix.com/july4pho.htmAre y'all kidding me? Didn't y'all notice that I had an avatar from one of those photos not too long ago? :laugh: I didn't even realize it was from that show. Some of those are among my favorite pictures of her!!! :laugh: I'm in love with the way she looks there. I love all that hair. I know the colors are a little off, but I LOVE it. I love the bangs on her in those. Her whole look is gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous to me. And I love her in that floral dress. Seriously, these are the pics that just make me sigh! I have some of those up in my bedroom at home and my dorm room. Y'all must think I'm nuts! :o

[amber]

Are y'all kidding me? Didn't y'all notice that I had an avatar from one of those photos not too long ago? :laugh: I didn't even realize it was from that show. Some of those are among my favorite pictures of her!!! :laugh: I'm in love with the way she looks there. I love all that hair. I know the colors are a little off, but I LOVE it. I love the bangs on her in those. Her whole look is gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous to me. And I love her in that floral dress. Seriously, these are the pics that just make me sigh! I have some of those up in my bedroom at home and my dorm room. Y'all must think I'm nuts! :o
I like them too. Except I don't like that floral dress. I think she looks really pretty, and I like the hair.

[GateandGarden]

I like them too. Except I don't like that floral dress. I think she looks really pretty, and I like the hair.The thing about the floral dress is that I love it on her but wouldn't wear it myself. But applies to so many of her clothes. It seems everything I see her wear I love on her but wouldn't wear myself, for whatever reason. In the case of the floral dress, I think of it as something for an older woman, and in the case of some of her earlier, more unique clothes, I feel like I'm not skinny enough for them.

Anyway, that was just a tangent. :lol: I've been on cloud nine ever since I heard about this New Orleans show. If it's happening, I'm going. I've made up my mind. I'm going to be in awe. I'm going to see STEVIE NICKS! I think my heart will burst! From that day on, I will name all of my stethoscopes after her songs! :lol: I love her!!! (I think I'll be like this until July, so I apologize in advance, y'all).

[SteveMacD]

I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..
Maybe, but that's just speculation. When you're sick, it tends to show. Look at Freddy Mercury towards the end of his life. No amount of make-up and lighting could really hide the fact that he was seriously ill, and he too had stupid money.

[desertangel]

Anyway, that was just a tangent. :lol: I've been on cloud nine ever since I heard about this New Orleans show. If it's happening, I'm going. I've made up my mind. I'm going to be in awe. I'm going to see STEVIE NICKS! I think my heart will burst! From that day on, I will name all of my stethoscopes after her songs! :lol: I love her!!! (I think I'll be like this until July, so I apologize in advance, y'all).

Heck, don't apologize!!! I've been like that ever since I made the decision to go to Vegas... there's probably more money involved, but hey. Nonetheless, a huge decision for me. I've only flown once for a Stevie show and I stayed with a friend. So the Vegas thing is BIG TIME for this fan. :blob2: God Lord, I'll never forget my very first Stevie solo concert... thought I was gonna pass out!


Laura

[GateandGarden]

God Lord, I'll never forget my very first Stevie solo concert... thought I was gonna pass out!


LauraThat'll be me! I'll have to be carried out of the arena! :lol:

[petep9000]

Having been on both Prozac and Klonopin, I can tell you that they do not cause weight gain in on themselves. Prozac, if anything, is energizing and weight-neutral for most people who take it. Klonopin, being a tranquilizer, can cause drowsiness at even normal doses. Abused at high dosages, as Stevie did, it no doubt led to debilitating fatigue- and when you lay around sleeping all day your metabolism slows down and you can get fat. But the Klonopin itself doesn't cause weight gain as a side effect.

One thing I have to say though, is shame on Stevie's Dr. Feelgood for writing her open-ended scripts for Klonopin. My MD used to write one script per month for Klonopin of 30 pills with NO refills. This assured I returned to her office each month for a visit so she could re-evaluate me. Thankfully, I was only on Klonopin for maybe half a year or so. But, I guess when you're rich and famous prescription drugs are easy to come by. Her initial doses might have been coming from an MD, but later on she might have been getting her stash from overseas or Mexico where an MD script is not required. You never know. :shocked:

[Kelly]

She was dressed in her witchy stuff. She came out wearing what looked like an ugly white tablecloth that her great gran had made in 1904 over her black garb. It was the most barfugly thing I've seen her wear and that says a lot. :laugh: Her hair was fried (it was yellow), she was so pale that she was corpse-like, and she just seemed...sickly. I was worried, personally.

Um, ditto. I would never agree with Dissention in most areas, : > ) but I concur. I left Boston that night thinking she was done. I think I might have cried. She looked sick as a dog and I do not care what some photos show. She was draggin on cigarettes right on the side of the stage and I dont think she sounded that great either. Thank Heavens that was not the end and we got the Dance.

[Kelly]

I really hope this thread does not travel down the weight road again because I am sick of it. Ok, maybe she has gained some weight but she is not at her SA level. Even if she were, so friggin what?? I hate this topic, not because I am a chiffonie who cannot accept Stevie has a tummy but because it HURTS HER. She has serious problems with asthma, perhaps she has to use steroids on the road? Do ya'll know for usre she doesn't and that is not puffing her up on the road? Who could honestly blame this girl if she wanted to retire. She has money so she should hire a trainer? Sheebus.


BEST MOVES..either consciously or unconsciously deciding that Lindsey would be her muse for all eternity. We have some fantastic writing in recent years again.

WORST:...allowing her self esteem issues to affect her so much. When she lacks confidence, it shows. When she feels beautiful and talented, she rocks, ala the Dance. Hmm I wonder if the years of fan and reviewers harping on her "looks" and her "croaking" are contributing to this?

[LiquidBlue5000]

Well, I think it is that. But I also think that she was unable to exercise on the treadmill like she says she likes to had something to do with it as well. I mean when she was holding LB's hand in the dressing room on DR, she looked stunning. Then, on tour, she put on some weight. I think she has a tendancy to put on weight on tour though. She did for TISL, SA, and SYW.

so true.. you would think the opposite though, wouldn't you??? I mean, all the walking back and forth from behind the stage to the mic stand.. it must burn up some calories, yes? ;)

[LiquidBlue5000]

I really hope this thread does not travel down the weight road again because I am sick of it. Ok, maybe she has gained some weight but she is not at her SA level. Even if she were, so friggin what?? I hate this topic, not because I am a chiffonie who cannot accept Stevie has a tummy but because it HURTS HER. She has serious problems with asthma, perhaps she has to use steroids on the road? Do ya'll know for usre she doesn't and that is not puffing her up on the road? Who could honestly blame this girl if she wanted to retire. She has money so she should hire a trainer? Sheebus.


BEST MOVES..either consciously or unconsciously deciding that Lindsey would be her muse for all eternity. We have some fantastic writing in recent years again.

WORST:...allowing her self esteem issues to affect her so much. When she lacks confidence, it shows. When she feels beautiful and talented, she rocks, ala the Dance. Hmm I wonder if the years of fan and reviewers harping on her "looks" and her "croaking" are contributing to this?


She has to expect it though, Kelly.. anyone in the public eye has to go through it, most alot worse than what Stevie goes through.. But that's the tradeoff for fame and fortune i guess... that if there's a flaw somewhere, it will be exposed.. in Stevie's case, her "flaw" has been her weight (as minor a thing it may be)... well, that, and the witch thing..

[Kelly]

Yea, I know and I do agree with those who have said that she created the image so she is partially responsible when fans do not want the "image" to change. I agree she looked awful at the inauguration but now? I think she looks drop dead gorgeous. She has obviously lost weight since leaving the road as evidenced in the Bette photo so it could be medications and lack of exerise that seem to add the pounds when touring.
Personally, I think her height and stature make it very difficult to keep her weight down. Combine that with menopause and she is fighting a losing battle. That is why I accept that she is not the waif like Bella Donna girl anymore and I love her just as much....if not MORE because apparently, she is indeed human.
Oh and that witch thing? Stupid stupid stupid.

[GateandGarden]

Yea, I know and I do agree with those who have said that she created the image so she is partially responsible when fans do not want the "image" to change. I agree she looked awful at the inauguration but now? I think she looks drop dead gorgeous. She has obviously lost weight since leaving the road as evidenced in the Bette photo so it could be medications and lack of exerise that seem to add the pounds when touring.
Personally, I think her height and stature make it very difficult to keep her weight down. Combine that with menopause and she is fighting a losing battle. That is why I accept that she is not the waif like Bella Donna girl anymore and I love her just as much....if not MORE because apparently, she is indeed human.
Oh and that witch thing? Stupid stupid stupid.Yes, yes--thank you. I and agree with you so much in another post further up when you said you were sick of the weight topic. I get this awful feeling in my chest when it comes up. I can't figure out what it would really matter if she weighed more than she does now, or she actually was a witch! Does that matter? If so, why? I can't understand people. If her weight is making her miserable, then I'm happy to see her lose or gain some. Other than that, she's beautiful to me. Nobody picks on Christine like this. You've got Homie over there in her forum saying that Christine is the only one who's a "real woman" and Stevie is too "weird" and like a fairy princess. WTF? (Okay, I already picked on him for that so I guess I'm running it into the ground.

Eh. Y'all ignore the crazy ranting Gate and Garden chick, all right? :o I shouldn't be getting all upset. :o

[strandinthewind]

I think the cool clothes she wears are FAB. I cannot imagine her without them. So there :p ;) :laugh: :wavey:

[xxxmx]

BEST MOVES..either consciously or unconsciously deciding that Lindsey would be her muse for all eternity. We have some fantastic writing in recent years again.
RIGHT ON!

i'd like to think that it's more unconscious than not... ;)

[LiquidBlue5000]

Yea, I know and I do agree with those who have said that she created the image so she is partially responsible when fans do not want the "image" to change. I agree she looked awful at the inauguration but now? I think she looks drop dead gorgeous. She has obviously lost weight since leaving the road as evidenced in the Bette photo so it could be medications and lack of exerise that seem to add the pounds when touring. Personally, I think her height and stature make it very difficult to keep her weight down. Combine that with menopause and she is fighting a losing battle. That is why I accept that she is not the waif like Bella Donna girl anymore and I love her just as much....if not MORE because apparently, she is indeed human.
Oh and that witch thing? Stupid stupid stupid.

What is she, 5'1"? she's so tiny... whenever i see her in person up close, i think "wow, she's so small", and she doesn't really look heavy at all... having said that, at this point, a waif-like 57-y/o Stevie Nicks would just not look right.. unless of course major plastic surgery was involved.. ;)

[SteveMacD]

Ok, maybe she has gained some weight but she is not at her SA level. Even if she were, so friggin what??
My point is that Stevie may have gained weight, but at least she doesn't look sick. And, frankly, I'm not shocked that she would gain weight on tour. Who here has never gained weight while travelling? I know I put on weight whenever I travel. Exercise is limited at best, the diet goes down the crapper. Imagine eighteen months of that!

[desertangel]

My point is that Stevie may have gained weight, but at least she doesn't look sick. And, frankly, I'm not shocked that she would gain weight on tour. Who here has never gained weight while travelling? I know I put on weight whenever I travel. Exercise is limited at best, the diet goes down the crapper. Imagine eighteen months of that!

Ya... and if she really did have Epstein Barr, from what I understand, that never really goes away. Any kind of stress can trigger a flare up with a disease like that. So with menopause, the virus, asthma, age and stress from touring... good grief. She's probably tired a lot and needs to rest. I'm sure she's doing her personal best to keep it together. And she really does look waaay better now than she did at the Clinton inauguration. YAY Stevie!!

I think she looks better now because back in the Boston performance day when she looked so sick, she obviously was really beginning to really feel the effects of everything and was badly in need of a drastic change in lifestyle. That takes time. Sometimes you never achieve quite the results you had hoped for. So I'm another fan who is happy that she looks better than she has in the past, that tells me she's doing something right.

Laura

[David]

Ya... and if she really did have Epstein Barr, from what I understand, that never really goes away. Any kind of stress can trigger a flare up with a disease like that. So with menopause, the virus, asthma, age and stress from touring... good grief. She's probably tired a lot and needs to rest.Which leads to the question, why does she go out there & tour every year? I get enervated just thinking about it.

[David]

Having been on both Prozac and Klonopin, I can tell you that they do not cause weight gain in on themselves.Hey, Pete!!
Prozac, if anything, is energizing and weight-neutral for most people who take it. Klonopin, being a tranquilizer, can cause drowsiness at even normal doses. Abused at high dosages, as Stevie did, it no doubt led to debilitating fatigue- and when you lay around sleeping all day your metabolism slows down and you can get fat. But the Klonopin itself doesn't cause weight gain as a side effect. Yeah, & besides she put on her weight in '85 -- which was what? three years before she started taking that tranquilizer. I think it's steroid use or some sort of medication she needs for her asthma -- I think that's too blame. Maybe it's cortisol-related.

[David]

I agree she looked awful at the inauguration but now?You didn't like her at the inauguration? I thought she looked extremely cool. She had her boots on & her old top hat, etc.

[GateandGarden]

You didn't like her at the inauguration? I thought she looked extremely cool. She had her boots on & her old top hat, etc.I'm going to take a wild guess that you're being sarcastic, but I really like her inauguration look. I have one of those pics on my wall as well.

[MC2002]

best: the Dance. paved the way for Enchanted and TISL by reminding audiences that she did not in fact suck.

worst: believing that shoulder pads and teased hair would make her look thinner, not fuglier.


my thoughts exactly, mariel :woohoo:

[SteveMacD]

I'll add another.

BEST: Convincing Lindsey that joining those three Brits was a good idea. :thumbsup:

WORST: The dress she wore in Bob Welch & Friends: Live From The Roxy. :eek:

BUT WORSE THAN THAT: Stevie and Mick dancing during "Gold Dust Woman" at above mentioned Bob Welch show. :shocked:

[Dreammms]

I'll add another.
BUT WORSE THAN THAT: Stevie and Mick dancing during "Gold Dust Woman" at above mentioned Bob Welch show. :shocked:

lololol i gotta go watch that again

[desertangel]

BUT WORSE THAN THAT: Stevie and Mick dancing during "Gold Dust Woman" at above mentioned Bob Welch show. :shocked:

Oh no!! Was that at the peak of her 6 inch platform days? That woulda put her at 5'7 to Mick's 6'3. I don't believe I've seen that segment. Can someone throw it up on a web page somewhere? :D

Laura

[desertangel]

Which leads to the question, why does she go out there & tour every year? I get enervated just thinking about it.

Lori Nicks said in one of those Vh1 shows that if Stevie doesn't work she gets depressed or something of that nature. Artists who put out albums without a supporting tour tend to not sell as many albums, from what I understand. Although WE would continue to buy her albums even if she didn't tour. Maybe that's why she made that comment recently about liking the idea of becoming a Vegas act. But yanno, if Stevie had to end up doing live pay-per-view shows rather than tour, wouldn't you pay to see that also? I would. Particularly if there was an option to purchase the show on DVD immediately after it aired, a la PBS. I'm just thinking of ways Stevie could stay in the "spotlight" a little longer without having to completely retire from performing live. Her live performances are da BOMB!!

Laura

[Kelly]

No..I really do not think she looked all that great at the Inaug. but it was mostly because of her huge shoulder pads, tight corset and the bangs in her eyes. Her weight was only a small part of why. Her hair is so blonde and drab and the top hat smashes it down into her gorgeous face. I think Stevie hates how she looked at that time in her life, so I always feel pangs of sympathy when I see footage or photos of her from that time. It also makes me appreciate how far she has come! So, I do not mind a puffy belly if she feels good about herself and is healthy. Bottom line is I want her to take care of herself and feel confident. I do not want her to feel so self conscious.

BTW...we were talking about the free Boston gig from 96...do any of ya'll think she could have had her implants removed around that time and that is why she looked so ill? I think it was 96 when she had them removed and had to have her blood cleaned out etc. I thought maybe she was still recovering from that or perhaps had not even had the surgery yet. I am not sure when she went through all that exactly but Twisted was in early 96 and Boston was in October I believe. By May of 97...Stevie was a new woman. Something changed..

[LiquidBlue5000]

No..I really do not think she looked all that great at the Inaug. but it was mostly because of her huge shoulder pads, tight corset and the bangs in her eyes. Her weight was only a small part of why. Her hair is so blonde and drab and the top hat smashes it down into her gorgeous face. I think Stevie hates how she looked at that time in her life, so I always feel pangs of sympathy when I see footage or photos of her from that time. It also makes me appreciate how far she has come! So, I do not mind a puffy belly if she feels good about herself and is healthy. Bottom line is I want her to take care of herself and feel confident. I do not want her to feel so self conscious.

BTW...we were talking about the free Boston gig from 96...do any of ya'll think she could have had her implants removed around that time and that is why she looked so ill? I think it was 96 when she had them removed and had to have her blood cleaned out etc. I thought maybe she was still recovering from that or perhaps had not even had the surgery yet. I am not sure when she went through all that exactly but Twisted was in early 96 and Boston was in October I believe. By May of 97...Stevie was a new woman. Something changed..

yeah, it's called a facelift :D

[cliffdweller]

Worst: Going solo.


Always the instigator aren't we? :laugh: :xoxo:

Best: opting for mysterious layers of chiffon instead of the easy "pop tart" appeal of other female singers.

Worst: Rock a Little and Street Angel :laugh:

[shackin'up]

touring with an eagle.

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by dissention
Worst: Going solo.

And, "either, or".

She either should've stayed in Fleetwood Mac, or "gone solo" and quit Fleetwood Mac outright...the double-duty actually hurt both the quantity & quality of Fleetwood Mac.

[cliffdweller]

touring with an eagle.

:laugh: That's definitely up there!

[cliffdweller]

She either should've stayed in Fleetwood Mac, or "gone solo" and quit Fleetwood Mac outright...the double-duty actually hurt both the quantity & quality of Fleetwood Mac.

Then a lot of good stuff would never have seen the light of day. This woman is the mad songwriter! She can't contain herself! She needs an outlet! Remember?!?! :laugh: :laugh:

[Kelly]

Not sure how a facelift could help her coloring...which was the biggest problem in Boston. I guess that is probably just another dig at your girl. :(

[chiliD]

Then a lot of good stuff would never have seen the light of day. This woman is the mad songwriter! She can't contain herself! She needs an outlet! Remember?!?! :laugh: :laugh:

Doesn't mean it has to be a PUBLIC outlet, now does it. :laugh:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Not sure how a facelift could help her coloring...which was the biggest problem in Boston. I guess that is probably just another dig at your girl. :(

Nah, not a dig at all... I honestly believe she did have a facelift before "the dance".. either late 1996 or early 1997.. if you compare pictures of her from early 1996 to the dance, there is a big big difference.. and it's more than just color tone... her skin was tight in 1997.. no wrinkles, no lines, no nothing.. the same cannot be said for 1996, 1995, 1994, etc. i'm sure quitting smoking also helped her tone and overall skin health.. but quitting alone will not take away wrinkles from someone's face.. ;)

[SteveMacD]

Nah, not a dig at all... I honestly believe she did have a facelift before "the dance".. either late 1996 or early 1997.. if you compare pictures of her from early 1996 to the dance, there is a big big difference.. and it's more than just color tone... her skin was tight in 1997.. no wrinkles, no lines, no nothing.. the same cannot be said for 1996, 1995, 1994, etc. i'm sure quitting smoking also helped her tone and overall skin health.. but quitting alone will not take away wrinkles from someone's face.. ;)
It actually wouldn't surprise me either. However, from what I've read about her skin peeling while she was coming off Klonopin, maybe she needed a face lift just to get her face to look half normal. The visual image I have of Stevie during her recovery... :eek: Man, what I think about what that woman went through, I'm amazed she's not only alive to tell about it, but is looking and sounding really good.

[LiquidBlue5000]

It actually wouldn't surprise me either. However, from what I've read about her skin peeling while she was coming off Klonopin, maybe she needed a face lift just to get her face to look half normal. The visual image I have of Stevie during her recovery... :eek: Man, what I think about what that woman went through, I'm amazed she's not only alive to tell about it, but is looking and sounding really good.

It's very true... she does look great considering everything.. i don't think she's had anything done since that time period (96, early 97), but i think you're right.. she needed to have something done at the time... i don't think anyone would have wanted to see an old unhealthy looking stevie nicks re-united with FM for the dance... and she knew that.

[desertangel]

BTW...we were talking about the free Boston gig from 96...do any of ya'll think she could have had her implants removed around that time and that is why she looked so ill? I think it was 96 when she had them removed and had to have her blood cleaned out etc. I thought maybe she was still recovering from that or perhaps had not even had the surgery yet. I am not sure when she went through all that exactly but Twisted was in early 96 and Boston was in October I believe. By May of 97...Stevie was a new woman. Something changed..

According to the McCall's article she had the implants removed in 1994. Then in the May 1, 1998 Entertainment Weekly article she states that she started taking Klonopin in 1986 and talks extensively about how awful the drug made her feel. Was this Boston concert early or late 96? We have no way of knowing what month she started Klonopin, but lots of times a new medication can make you feel pretty awful with side effects. Sounds like she didn't do very well on it in a lot of ways, not just the writing. YIKES!! SCAREY!!


Laura

[dissention]

According to the McCall's article she had the implants removed in 1994. Then in the May 1, 1998 Entertainment Weekly article she states that she started taking Klonopin in 1986 and talks extensively about how awful the drug made her feel. Was this Boston concert early or late 96? We have no way of knowing what month she started Klonopin, but lots of times a new medication can make you feel pretty awful with side effects. Sounds like she didn't do very well on it in a lot of ways, not just the writing. YIKES!! SCAREY!!

Laura

The concert was in October of '96. She went on a Boston radio station, not sure when to be honest, and talked about having them removed and that she didn't have them in a freezer.

[gldstwmn]

Nah, not a dig at all... I honestly believe she did have a facelift before "the dance".. either late 1996 or early 1997.. if you compare pictures of her from early 1996 to the dance, there is a big big difference.. and it's more than just color tone... her skin was tight in 1997.. no wrinkles, no lines, no nothing.. the same cannot be said for 1996, 1995, 1994, etc. i'm sure quitting smoking also helped her tone and overall skin health.. but quitting alone will not take away wrinkles from someone's face.. ;)

I don't think she had a face lift. I think she had laser surgery.

[xxxmx]

I don't think she had a face lift. I think she had laser surgery.
homegirl had something done, i'd love to know precisely what because i'm sure the day will come when i'll be wanting it. she looked FABTASTIC during the Dance period.

[LiquidBlue5000]

The concert was in October of '96. She went on a Boston radio station, not sure when to be honest, and talked about having them removed and that she didn't have them in a freezer.

Wow.. she was that candid about the whole thing?? hmmm..

[glitter_fades]

homegirl had something done, i'd love to know precisely what because i'm sure the day will come when i'll be wanting it. she looked FABTASTIC during the Dance period.

Ditto. I'm about due, too. :eek:

[LiquidBlue5000]

Ditto. I'm about due, too. :eek:

Well, whatever she did for the dance, i wonder if she'll ever do it again... not that she needs to right now... but eventually... ;)

[strandinthewind]

Nah, not a dig at all... I honestly believe she did have a facelift before "the dance".. either late 1996 or early 1997.. if you compare pictures of her from early 1996 to the dance, there is a big big difference.. and it's more than just color tone... her skin was tight in 1997.. no wrinkles, no lines, no nothing.. the same cannot be said for 1996, 1995, 1994, etc. i'm sure quitting smoking also helped her tone and overall skin health.. but quitting alone will not take away wrinkles from someone's face.. ;)

I agree it looks like she had work done and I do blame her one bit. I do think though that La Nicks knows lighting and she is always lit magnificently. Look at Beautiful Child's sig video as evidence - same with The Dance. She realizes that the world judges women by their looks - part of that is the image she created but I think most of it is the nature of the world and she can't fight the world - hey - she can't change it :laugh:

[trackaghost]

I don't think she had a face lift. I think she had laser surgery.

:nod: Definitely.

Don't you think it's weird though how some people deny that Stevie had has plastic surgery? It's on the record she's not against it, having told everyone about the implants, so it's not a far stretch to think she's had more done. The difference between how she looked in the early to mid 90s, to how she looked on The Dance is astonishing. She definitely had some help.

[strandinthewind]

:nod: Definitely.

Don't you think it's weird though how some people deny that Stevie had has plastic surgery? It's on the record she's not against it, having told everyone about the implants, so it's not a far stretch to think she's had more done. The difference between how she looked in the early to mid 90s, to how she looked on The Dance is astonishing. She definitely had some help.

And what gets me is people assume that it is a bad thing if she did. Like it takes away from her natural inner and outer beauty somehow. I say it is her body and she can do what she wants with it. I also think saying that she looks great and like she has had something tweaked is okay.

Of course, I spent my lipposuction money going to China last month. So, what the hell do I know other than I have to do it now the old fashion way :laugh: :eek: :laugh: - which aint so bad :cool:

[trackaghost]

And what gets me is people assume that it is a bad thing if she did. Like it takes away from her natural inner and outer beauty somehow. I say it is her body and she can do what she wants with it. I also think saying that she looks great and like she has had something tweaked is okay.

Of course, I spent my lipposuction money going to China last month. So, what the hell do I know other than I have to do it now the old fashion way :laugh: :eek: :laugh: - which aint so bad :cool:

It isn't a bad thing at all because she looks great! Everything she's had done has been subtle and for the better.
But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. She still is a natural beauty but come on everyone needs a little help. Even Elizabeth Taylor and Brigitte Bardot got old, that doesn't stop them from being great beauties back in the day.

[xxxmx]

It isn't a bad thing at all because she looks great! Everything she's had done has been subtle and for the better.
she still looks like stevie nicks. i know i've posted this opinion before, but her photo from the TISL liner notes is identical to the Rumours cover outtakes. actually identical. i give her surgeon props... she hasn't developed that mutated plastic visage that so many people get after surgery.

[gldstwmn]

homegirl had something done, i'd love to know precisely what because i'm sure the day will come when i'll be wanting it. she looked FABTASTIC during the Dance period.

Laser is cool becasue it doesn't require an incision and it smooths out the wrinkles and firms the skin.
The treated area is a giant scab for a while afterward, though.

[gldstwmn]

:nod: Definitely.

Don't you think it's weird though how some people deny that Stevie had has plastic surgery? It's on the record she's not against it, having told everyone about the implants, so it's not a far stretch to think she's had more done. The difference between how she looked in the early to mid 90s, to how she looked on The Dance is astonishing. She definitely had some help.

And why not? I'm pretty sure she had lipo between TOSOTM and Mask tours. I saw her in a relatively short time frame then and the difference was remarkable.
She was a smoker and that is very bad for the skin. So yes, I would agree that she had something done. I just didn't see the tightness of a face lift. The wrinkles were gone which leads me to believe laser.

[trackaghost]

She was a smoker and that is very bad for the skin. So yes, I would agree that she had something done. I just didn't see the tightness of a face lift. The wrinkles were gone which leads me to believe laser.

I would agree. What's she's had done looks quite natural, but she definitely has had something done.

I've always thought she looked a bit stretched in this pic though:

http://www.nicksfix.com/hires141.htm

I wonder if she's had something done to her chin. Can you get a chin tuck? :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

I would agree. What's she's had done looks quite natural, but she definitely has had something done.

I've always thought she looked a bit stretched in this pic though:

http://www.nicksfix.com/hires141.htm

I wonder if she's had something done to her chin. Can you get a chin tuck? :laugh:

that photo HAS to be touched up. She does not have one line on her face, around her mouth, around her eyes, etc. Plus, the lighting is too perfect for candid. But, maybe I am wrong.

Speaking of lighting, I just got back from lunch with these two wild women I know. We were at this swanky hotel and they were doing a photo shoot. It was all could do not to SCREAM at the a$$hole photographer (he really was an apparent jerk) that he needed to move the lights about two feet higher as he was not selling her unadorned neck to the public - I gotta get a life :laugh:

[gldstwmn]

I would agree. What's she's had done looks quite natural, but she definitely has had something done.

I've always thought she looked a bit stretched in this pic though:

http://www.nicksfix.com/hires141.htm

I wonder if she's had something done to her chin. Can you get a chin tuck? :laugh:

Yes. It's more of a neck lift though, I think.

I see what looks to be a lot of collagen in that photo. It looks good.

[Johnny Stew]

I don't agree with the "sister's had LOTS of work done" opinion, but I do think Stevie's had a "refresher" or two, like Chris (gldstwmn) has said.

By the way, I don't know what constitutes "plastic surgery" and what doesn't, but I've always assumed that kind of thing was more extensive and invasive than a chemical peel or Botox injection.
Or is "plastic surgery" just the cover-all word for having anything done?

[Johnny Stew]

The treated area is a giant scab for a while afterward, though.*shudders*

I'll live with the wrinkles, thank you very much.

Yuck.

[Johnny Stew]

that photo HAS to be touched up.It's most definitely a touched-up pic. And not a very good one at that -- check out that decollete area.

[dissention]

I don't agree with the "sister's had LOTS of work done" opinion, but I do think Stevie's had a "refresher" or two, like Chris (gldstwmn) has said.

By the way, I don't know what constitutes "plastic surgery" and what doesn't, but I've always assumed that kind of thing was more extensive and invasive than a chemical peel or Botox injection.
Or is "plastic surgery" just the cover-all word for having anything done?

Chemical peels and Botox injections DO NOT constitute plastic surgery. You can have those done on your lunch break.

I think Stevie's had her eyes worked on and a little done to her face and jowels. I'm not sure if she's had a full-on facelift, but I'm sure she's had a few things done involving actual surgery. More power to her, too. It's not like she's taken a ride down Melanie Griffith Avenue. If I don't like my chicken neck or sagging cheeks when I'm older and I have the cash, sign me up. We only live one life, folks.

[Johnny Stew]

Chemical peels and Botox injections DO NOT constitute plastic surgery. You can have those done on your lunch break.

I think Stevie's had her eyes worked on and a little done to her face and jowels. I'm not sure if she's had a full-on facelift, but I'm sure she's had a few things done involving actual surgery. More power to her, too. It's not like she's taken a ride down Melanie Griffith Avenue. If I don't like my chicken neck or sagging cheeks when I'm older and I have the cash, sign me up. We only live one life, folks.What makes the difference when it comes to someone just looking a little younger and refreshed after having work done, and someone coming out looking like Farrah or Melanie or Loretta Switt do?
Is it really the difference between a good surgeon and a less competent one?

I'm asking because it just amazes me sometimes that someone can apparently have plastic surgery and come out looking GORGEOUS and natural, while others come out looking so unnatural and unlike themselves.

[GypsySorcerer]

What makes the difference when it comes to someone just looking a little younger and refreshed after having work done, and someone coming out looking like Farrah or Melanie or Loretta Switt do?
Is it really the difference between a good surgeon and a less competent one?

I'm asking because it just amazes me sometimes that someone can apparently have plastic surgery and come out looking GORGEOUS and natural, while others come out looking so unnatural and unlike themselves.

I have no problem with plastic surgery when it's tastefully done. :nod:

I've always thought Stevie had her nose done too, though no one seems to agree with me on that.

[amber]

I have no problem with plastic surgery when it's tastefully done. :nod:

I've always thought Stevie had her nose done too, though no one seems to agree with me on that.
I was thinking that too, it doesn't seem so upturned now. :shrug: It's not much different, though, if she did have something done. I simply MUST have Stevie's plastic surgeon when the time comes! Which is in, like, 2 years? :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

I was thinking that too, it doesn't seem so upturned now. :shrug: It's not much different, though, if she did have something done.
Yup, it's very subtle. Not as upturned and a little slimmer.


I simply MUST have Stevie's plastic surgeon when the time comes! Which is in, like, 2 years? :laugh:

:laugh:

I can't even list all the stuff I'd like to have done.

[dissention]

What makes the difference when it comes to someone just looking a little younger and refreshed after having work done, and someone coming out looking like Farrah or Melanie or Loretta Switt do?
Is it really the difference between a good surgeon and a less competent one?

Many, many things. A lazy surgeon, too much plastic surgery, too much plastic surgery coupled with collagen and Botox, etc. Miss Fawcett has had an incredible number of operations done to her, so much so that I think she's actually suffering from it. Her nose is shriveling up and receding, the nostrils clearly show it. Loretta Switt, bless her heart, has had a million procedures AND has had her face pumped so full of toxins that Japan would refuse to take it all if was ever pumped out of her. It's all a matter of having it tastefully done, which Stevie has.

I'm asking because it just amazes me sometimes that someone can apparently have plastic surgery and come out looking GORGEOUS and natural, while others come out looking so unnatural and unlike themselves.

Look at Melanie Griffith. She could have stopped traffic and then went hogwild with plastic surgery. But she didn't have just one thing done here and there. She had her first procedure, from what I can tell, in 1990 and then another around the time she made Milk Money. Then she just couldn't stop and she became SCARY.

[dissention]

I was thinking that too, it doesn't seem so upturned now. :shrug: It's not much different, though, if she did have something done. I simply MUST have Stevie's plastic surgeon when the time comes! Which is in, like, 2 years? :laugh:

I've never paid much attention to her nose, but your nose does become smaller as you get older. I always found that fascinating. :laugh:

[GypsySorcerer]

I've never paid much attention to her nose, but your nose does become smaller as you get older. I always found that fascinating. :laugh:

I always thought one's nose never stopped growing. :confused:

[amber]

Yup, it's very subtle. Not as upturned and a little slimmer.




:laugh:

I can't even list all the stuff I'd like to have done.
Really? You're really pretty. :confused: oh, well. I'd love to have my cheek fat sucked. But that's just a vanity. The must haves will probably be a breast lift, and some botox or whatev in my forehead lines. :D I'm sure I'll think of more as time goes on. I don't want to have botox lips, but my lips are kind of thin - but still, that botox lip thing is just so obvious. :rolleyes:

[amber]

I've never paid much attention to her nose, but your nose does become smaller as you get older. I always found that fascinating. :laugh:
No, it becomes bigger. The cartilege in your nose and ears never stops growing. This is a fact. :wavey:

[GypsySorcerer]

Really? You're really pretty. :confused: oh, well. I'd love to have my cheek fat sucked. But that's just a vanity. The must haves will probably be a breast lift, and some botox or whatev in my forehead lines. :D I'm sure I'll think of more as time goes on. I don't want to have botox lips, but my lips are kind of thin - but still, that botox lip thing is just so obvious. :rolleyes:

Boob lift, ass lift, lipo, you name it, I want it. :laugh: Actually, I'm pretty chicken about it. I don't know how I managed a tattoo. :D

[Johnny Stew]

Many, many things. A lazy surgeon, too much plastic surgery, too much plastic surgery coupled with collagen and Botox, etc. Miss Fawcett has had an incredible number of operations done to her, so much so that I think she's actually suffering from it. Her nose is shriveling up and receding, the nostrils clearly show it. Loretta Switt, bless her heart, has had a million procedures AND has had her face pumped so full of toxins that Japan would refuse to take it all if was ever pumped out of her. It's all a matter of having it tastefully done, which Stevie has.

Look at Melanie Griffith. She could have stopped traffic and then went hogwild with plastic surgery. But she didn't have just one thing done here and there. She had her first procedure, from what I can tell, in 1990 and then another around the time she made Milk Money. Then she just couldn't stop and she became SCARY.So it has a lot more to do with the AMOUNT of things you have done, as opposed to what you have done.

The way Farrah looks now is so sad. I remember about ten years ago (or maybe it's been more now), she discussed in an interview about how a plastic surgeon sitting next to her at a dinner party just boldly offered to do any work for her if she wanted it done -- telling her he could fix the way her nose hooked down, etc. At the time, she said that she liked her nose and the way her face looked -- that she felt it gave her character, and had no interest in changing her appearance.

I wonder why and when her opinion of herself changed.

Nicole Kidman had something done, too, in the last few years. There's just something completely off about her brow. Again, it doesn't look natural, and has changed her overall appearance completely.

Whatever else Stevie might have done in the future, I seriously hope she continues to look like Stevie, and not some waxed-over approximation of herself. I'd take an old and wrinkled looking Stevie over that any day.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I have no problem with plastic surgery when it's tastefully done. :nod:

I've always thought Stevie had her nose done too, though no one seems to agree with me on that.

Yup.. after RAL she had her nose done...

[Kelly]

Yup.. after RAL she had her nose done...

After Rock a Little? For sure?

I don't know if others agree but on this past tour, Stevies biggest problem area IMHO, was her jowels and neck. I do not think it looks like she has anything done on that area and it has gotten progressively worse since the Dance. When she started wearing the scarf, tied tightly around her neck, it just made it worse.
I have no problem with her getting surgery if thats what she wants. Back a few pages, I was talking about her coloring and over all level of energy etc..when I mentioned a drastic difference when she appeared for the Dance. I really do not want her to make any changes that will affect her eyes...they are her best feature for me and I would hate for them to suddenly look too tight, etc. More power to her for wanting to look good. She certainly wanted to look good during the Dance...loosing thirty pounds "for the tour". She looked fantastic and very attractive!

[trackaghost]

No, it becomes bigger. The cartilege in your nose and ears never stops growing. This is a fact. :wavey:

Yep, that's right. :nod: I've always thought Stevie had something done to her nose too, like GypsySorcerer said, it's just slimmer than it should be. Looks good though.

[LiquidBlue5000]

After Rock a Little? For sure?

I don't know if others agree but on this past tour, Stevies biggest problem area IMHO, was her jowels and neck. I do not think it looks like she has anything done on that area and it has gotten progressively worse since the Dance. When she started wearing the scarf, tied tightly around her neck, it just made it worse.
I have no problem with her getting surgery if thats what she wants. Back a few pages, I was talking about her coloring and over all level of energy etc..when I mentioned a drastic difference when she appeared for the Dance. I really do not want her to make any changes that will affect her eyes...they are her best feature for me and I would hate for them to suddenly look too tight, etc. More power to her for wanting to look good. She certainly wanted to look good during the Dance...loosing thirty pounds "for the tour". She looked fantastic and very attractive!

Yup, for sure! Look at pictures of her before and after and you will see.. It is also quite apparent on the Red Rocks video... on the closeups, she has a smaller nose.. on the shots taken further away (the real footage from that show), her nose is larger and different looking...

[gldstwmn]

I don't agree with the "sister's had LOTS of work done" opinion, but I do think Stevie's had a "refresher" or two, like Chris (gldstwmn) has said.

By the way, I don't know what constitutes "plastic surgery" and what doesn't, but I've always assumed that kind of thing was more extensive and invasive than a chemical peel or Botox injection.
Or is "plastic surgery" just the cover-all word for having anything done?

Well, laser is considered surgery because they put you out with general anesthetic while they do it and you're in an operating room or outpatient surgery center.

[David]

Whatever else Stevie might have done in the future, I seriously hope she continues to look like Stevie, and not some waxed-over approximation of herself.It might be kinda cool to see Stevie go all Joan Rivers!

[cliffdweller]

Look at Melanie Griffith. She could have stopped traffic and then went hogwild with plastic surgery. But she didn't have just one thing done here and there. She had her first procedure, from what I can tell, in 1990 and then another around the time she made Milk Money. Then she just couldn't stop and she became SCARY.

chick's become addicted to plastic surgery. So have a lot of other people in Hollywood--Farrah's a good example. Yikes.

[Johnny Stew]

Well, laser is considered surgery because they put you out with general anesthetic while they do it and you're in an operating room or outpatient surgery center.Ah, ok. I didn't know that.
I'm almost completely in the dark when it comes to this stuff. I've seen some of the plastic surgery footage they show on the Learning Channel from time to time (which looks BRUTAL), but I've pretty much been clueless when it comes to what the actual differences are between the various procedures.

I just figured lasering, chemical peels and dermabrasions were all non-invasive (therefore, not "surgery"), and that's why more people go for those.

[shackin'up]

canceling a tour with an eagle.

[amber]

canceling a tour with an eagle.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[diamondsnake]

when she was holding LB's hand in the dressing room on DR, she looked stunning. Then, on tour, she put on some weight. I think she has a tendancy to put on weight on tour though. She did for TISL, SA, and SYW.

I think she was even thinner then during the "Dance" era at the first concert of the SYW tour. Look at the Dateline interview and VH1 all access and she is sooooo much thinner then she was on like... Live in Boston (6 months into the SYW tour). But if I had was traveling for basically 2 years straight I'd gain probably a million pounds from eating out every night. It would be hard not to gain weight.

[diamondsnake]

The Boston show ones are below the Christmas Carol ones - http://nicksfix.com/oct12pho.htm

Edit - I was mistaen, the non witchey garb ones are from Florida that year http://nicksfix.com/july4pho.htm
She looks a lot better at the soundcheck wearing the floral dress and little to no makeup then she does at the concert with tons of makeup and a witch costume.

[dissention]

No, it becomes bigger. The cartilege in your nose and ears never stops growing. This is a fact. :wavey:

I always thought it was the other way around, that your nose gets smaller as you grow older. I suppose you learn something new every day, eh? :laugh:

[amber]

I always thought it was the other way around, that your nose gets smaller as you grow older. I suppose you learn something new every day, eh? :laugh:
Ha, I wish!
Yeah, if you're lucky, you do. Oh, by the way, there's a great review in the SF chronicle on Nicole Kidman's new movie with Sean Penn. :wavey:

[dissention]

So it has a lot more to do with the AMOUNT of things you have done, as opposed to what you have done.

The way Farrah looks now is so sad. I remember about ten years ago (or maybe it's been more now), she discussed in an interview about how a plastic surgeon sitting next to her at a dinner party just boldly offered to do any work for her if she wanted it done -- telling her he could fix the way her nose hooked down, etc. At the time, she said that she liked her nose and the way her face looked -- that she felt it gave her character, and had no interest in changing her appearance.

I wonder why and when her opinion of herself changed.

Two words: Ryan O'Neal.

Nicole Kidman had something done, too, in the last few years. There's just something completely off about her brow. Again, it doesn't look natural, and has changed her overall appearance completely.

Botox. :nod:

But I don't care because she's gorgeous and I don't find her brow to look bad. Just don't follow Loretta Switt's lead, my love.

[dissention]

Ha, I wish!
Yeah, if you're lucky, you do. Oh, by the way, there's a great review in the SF chronicle on Nicole Kidman's new movie with Sean Penn. :wavey:

Oy, I opened up my paper today and there was a HUGE color photo of Nicole accompanying Ebert's review. That made my morning. :laugh:

He gave it a great review, but he sucks, so I don't listen to him. He gave away too much of the movie, that schmuck. Can't wait to see it tomorrow, though.

[diamondsnake]

I'm a little late to this thread as far as the gaining weight issue is concerned, but does anyone else think that Stevie looks skinnier here at the begining of SYW then during the Dance?http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksColumbus01.jpg

PS: This is maybe my favorite candid pic of Stevie of all time!!! I love SYW era Stevie (without bangs!) She is stunning!

[diamondsnake]

I think her bangs make her look heavier. Towards the end of the tour she had gained weight (still looked amazing though!) but her hair cut and scarf framed her face very poorly. http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksLive2004A.jpg

[amber]

Not to mention that stupid eye makeup. Yarg, I hate it!!!! Anyways. The first pic is gorgeous!!!! Thanks for posting. The second, not so gorgeous. That's about how she looked when I saw her. I like no bangs. But sometimes her bangs look really good, too. :shrug:

[diamondsnake]

Not to mention that stupid eye makeup. Yarg, I hate it!!!! Anyways. The first pic is gorgeous!!!! Thanks for posting. The second, not so gorgeous. That's about how she looked when I saw her. I like no bangs. But sometimes her bangs look really good, too. :shrug:
I feel kind of bad for posting that pic but bear in mind that is one of the worst ones from SYW, which really isn't even that bad in the first place. I love that first pic so much, I can't even tell you how much! I hope she grows her bangs out and goes bangless for Vegas!

[Johnny Stew]

Two words: Ryan O'Neal.Probably so. :(

Botox. :nod:

But I don't care because she's gorgeous and I don't find her brow to look bad.See, for me it ruined her entire look. Her features seem harsh now, where she used to have a very soft look to her face.

[dissention]

Probably so. :(

I've heard *horror* stories of him abusing her. The mother of an old friend of mine that I no longer speak to worked for him and some of the stuff she told me made me blush. Couple that with all the stuff Tatum says about him and it spells only one thing: EVIL PRICK. Hopefully cancer humbled him.

See, for me it ruined her entire look. Her features seem harsh now, where she used to have a very soft look to her face.

I just watched To Die For last week and I honestly see no real difference. :shrug: And that movie is ten years old. I loved her as a redhead, though.

[SteveMacD]

I feel kind of bad for posting that pic but bear in mind that is one of the worst ones from SYW, which really isn't even that bad in the first place.
I don't think she looks all that bad, especially for it being so late in the tour. She obviously was a little heavier, but the road will do that to anybody. She certainly looks better in that picture than she did during the inauguration.

[LiquidBlue5000]

I feel kind of bad for posting that pic but bear in mind that is one of the worst ones from SYW, which really isn't even that bad in the first place. I love that first pic so much, I can't even tell you how much! I hope she grows her bangs out and goes bangless for Vegas!

I have to disagree with you guys.. she looks SO much better with the bangs... maybe not so much in that particular picture, but overall she looks more youthful and pretty when she has them vs. when she doesn't...

[xxxmx]

I have to disagree with you guys.. she looks SO much better with the bangs... maybe not so much in that particular picture, but overall she looks more youthful and pretty when she has them vs. when she doesn't...
i like the Destiny Rules Doc bangs, i even like the voltage curl bangs... in that photo, they do nothing for me. they're too heavy, they hide instead of frame.

[diamondsnake]

I like her bangs sometimes. On the Dance she has like a light sideswept bang look, which I love. But now her bangs are way to heavy and thick and she needs to get all that hair out of her face!

I do like no bangs more though. I mean, you have to admit that first picture, sans bangs, that I posted is beautiful and I think she looks like a 40 year old (or younger then some 40 year olds I know!) in that pic. In the second picture, with bangs, she certainly looks older. Maybe not 57, but at least 47.

[eclipse]

Ok we are talking about best and worse CAREER MOVES right??

BANGS???? :eek:
Come on, surely you people can do better thabn bangs and their length, curl, direction...etc

I am sure there are more pressing thoughts-opinions-ideas- than her hairstyle~~~ at least I HOPE that there are more creative thoughs :shrug: :shrug:

just my input and by the way..I do have bangs and they look FABULOUS!
eclipse

[diamondsnake]

Ok we are talking about best and worse CAREER MOVES right??

BANGS???? :eek:
Come on, surely you people can do better thabn bangs and their length, curl, direction...etc

I am sure there are more pressing thoughts-opinions-ideas- than her hairstyle~~~ at least I HOPE that there are more creative thoughs :shrug: :shrug:

just my input and by the way..I do have bangs and they look FABULOUS!
eclipse
I don't think anyone is implying that her bangs are a bad career move, the thread just kind of morphed into a topic about bangs for a few posts.... big deal.

[xxxmx]

Ok we are talking about best and worse CAREER MOVES right??

Come on, surely you people can do better thabn bangs and their length, curl, direction...etc

I am sure there are more pressing thoughts-opinions-ideas- than her hairstyle~~~ at least I HOPE that there are more creative thoughs :shrug: :shrug:
yes, there were a lot of thoughts-opinions-ideas offered. and then people were done with that. did you bother with the first several pages of this thread :confused:

if you'd like to redirect the topic, please do. but right now, as there is little life in this thread, we are discussing her choice of haristyles. i do like her Dance bangs... very feminine. how do you like her hair, eclipse?

[eclipse]

yes, there were a lot of thoughts-opinions-ideas offered. and then people were done with that. did you bother with the first several pages of this thread :confused:

if you'd like to redirect the topic, please do. but right now, as there is little life in this thread, we are discussing her choice of haristyles. i do like her Dance bangs... very feminine. how do you like her hair, eclipse?

I like it any way that she wears it- I loves the 80's big haoir days when she and Christine looked so feminine-but those days are over and so is the style. Please do not take offense to my post I was teasing...bangs are just bangs, you know?
Now about that touring ALL THE TIME thing......<smiles the little witch, me>
~~eclipse~~

[xxxmx]

then all is well then in ledge-land :xoxo: ...
i'm watching the Dance now (just had to) and her hair does look great. SHE looks great. yep, doing the Dance, Best Career Move in my book.

[eclipse]

then all is well then in ledge-land :xoxo: ...
i'm watching the Dance now (just had to) and her hair does look great. SHE looks great. yep, doing the Dance, Best Career Move in my book.


The Dance DID bring them back to their original fans and I believe started a whole new generation of Mac Fans-

Silver Springs on that CD is Stevie's shining moment :) :)
and I beleive the Big Love is Lindsey's and together,
Landslide shows the emotion and love of these two remarkable people.

I agree one of the best moves for Stevie and the entire band
See, we may bicker over bangs but MUSIC???
posh- never disagee about music (unless of course it is American Country music) That is another entire subject!!
Have a great day xxxmx and all...
~~eclipse~~

[xxxmx]

Silver Springs on that CD is Stevie's shining moment :) :)
and I beleive the Big Love is Lindsey's and together,
Landslide shows the emotion and love of these two remarkable people.

See, we may bicker over bangs but MUSIC???

actually, i think LB's moment is Go Insane. http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/obscene/eck05.gif














http://users.telenet.be/eforum/emoticons4u/love/635.gif BTW - i hope you have a fantastic day, too.

[TheMacAttack]

I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..



Beauty/Talent=Being skinny.

Real fucking orginal thought there.

[Kelly]

Beauty/Talent=Being skinny.

Real fucking orginal thought there.



Yup.

I hate the notion that just because she has money and she used to be a sexy young thing, whom I find still incredibly beautiful and sexy...she is somehow obligated to do something invasive. IMHO.....after seeing her up close, she doesn't look like she has had any facial work done and I am fine with that.

Her money. Her career. Her body.

It should not detract from her talent, her legacy, or her performance because she has a few lines on her face at fifty seven years old. Stevie is a gorgeous woman but so much of her beauty, for me, comes from inside. Her words, her warmth, her humor, the wisdom in her eyes, her voice...these are the things that I feel make Stevie the most "beautiful."

[Highwayman]

The NON-BANGS!!! I'm glad someone brought that up. She looked like a ghoul for the SYW tour part 1. Just horrible.

Best: The Dance
Worst: Performing under the influence of Klonopin. The BTM video just makes me cry. And the appearance clips of SIAB and LAHGTP make me ill. Truly, a ghost through the fog.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Beauty/Talent=Being skinny.

Real fucking orginal thought there.

first, watch your language, potty mouth.. secondly, why resurrect a thread that died a month and a half ago?

i never said that beauty and talent means you have to be skinny... i simply said that with someone with all her money, things can be done: meaning, hiring a personal trainer, a physical therapist, accupuncture, aromatherapy, personal chef, and yes, even surgery if she wanted to, among a million other things... some of which i'm sure Stevie does in fact do...

[David]

Stevie is a gorgeous woman but so much of her beauty, for me, comes from inside. Her words, her warmth, her humor, the wisdom in her eyes, her voice...these are the things that I feel make Stevie the most "beautiful."For me, it's her hourglass figure at age 29. Maybe the Commodores wrote "Brick House" about her.

[Ghosty]

BEST: Reuniting with FM in 97 for the dance.

Worst: Not committing herself to keeping in shape and losing weight. She has all the money in the world to hire personal trainers, chefs, counselors, whatever she needs, yet she doesn't do it. :distress:



Not all people can be skinny, even with effort. Her thin days were heavy coke days which burns up a lot of calories. She's now off that, *and*is older. It happens. Let's shoot you up with women's menopausal hormones and see how well you do. ;)

I think it's vain and insulting to judge someone or be "disappointed", etc. (of the different things I've heard on this list and by other Stevie fans on other places) over their weight. I heard someone say age is the last discrimination, but the past few months with things I've been seeing and hearing around (not just over Stevie, over a lot of issues), I'd say weight is. I have a friend who;s anorexic and she gets the insults on the other end of the spectrum. Her mother gave her exlax as a baby to try and potty train her, and there were many other things inher childhood which led to her anorexia. Meanwhile, she's a wonderful friend. So i just hate when people get picked on or judged by weight or health issues. Then there are some people who compliment her on how skinny she is - meanwhile she's dying. She's 30 and has had a heart attack, broken several bones doing nothing at all (pelvic bone, ribs, etc.), and is all bones. Her liver is now very bad and her kidneys too. But some people say how they "envy her". So caring that much about looks and weight is a sore spot with me. And Stevie said after the Street Angel tour she would never go on tour again if she didn't lose weight, because of all the mean coverage she got. I think that's horrible.

I think her best was going solo, giving her an outlet to release more of her songs since she has so many.

Her worst was probably times she's listened to record people instead of following her heart, like when they told her she had to do the song with Brett what's his face from Poison and do the Bon Jovi song or her career would be over. Oh - worst move - having Sheryl Crow produce half of TISL, and having Rupert Hine produce OSOTM.

[Ghosty]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
"I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done.."



Why should anyone have to be artificial to go pleasing someone else? Especially men who just want to drool over you, or forget it. If you don't like her looks, go find some other chic to fantasize about - there are plenty of fish in the sea. Why expect her to change? (to change for you, I should say) I'd rather Stevie Nicks spend her time enjoying life, her family and friends, and writing more and making more cd's rather than spend time having surgery done, healing from it, and working out for a few hours a day to try and look like she's 28 again.

[Ghosty]

I've always thought Stevie had her nose done too, though no one seems to agree with me on that.


She might have had to have something done. I read in more than one place how using so much coke ruined her nose on the inside, and the inside is what gives structure to your nose. So it might have been something needed. Who knows.

[strandinthewind]

She might have had to have something done. I read in more than one place how using so much coke ruined her nose on the inside, and the inside is what gives structure to your nose. So it might have been something needed. Who knows.


She has pretty much and IMO vehemently denied any spetum replacement - she said she could not because she was scared it would alter her voice.

[GateandGarden]

For me, it's her hourglass figure at age 29. Maybe the Commodores wrote "Brick House" about her.I think "Brickhouse" is about a woman who actually has something on her. It is "Brickhouse," anyway.

You and I could not possibly disagree more on what weight looks good on Stevie. :laugh: