Sanctuary masters

[blinker12]

OK, this is kind of a long, involved question.

About two years ago, there was a great Stevie download site called moniquerenee.com. The site is now defunct. But while it was up, I downloaded a series of "Sanctuary" takes from the master reels. The takes were numbered up as far as 12 or 14, as I recall.

There was one take in particular that I loved. I think it was #10, or maybe #6.

Anyway, the laptop computer that they were on was stolen shortly after I downloaded the songs, and I've never been able to find the version I like so much since. I've reviewed everything that's reposted on ThrownDown.net, and it's not there. :shrug:

Can anyone help me track down these takes? If it helps, they came from a series that also included conversations between Stevie and Tom Petty about the writing of the song, including one part where Tom says the chorus shouldn't start on the same chord as the verse.

[Dar]

I have them but I only have them listed as 1 thru 8. It's a riot listening to Stevie and Tom go back and forth about her only playing in the keys of F and G. He also goes on about how it needs a bridge and she tells him to biuld a bridge. At the end of nunber 8 she ask for a glass of champagne. Great stuff.

Darlene

[strandinthewind]

I have them but I only have them listed as 1 thru 8. It's a riot listening to Stevie and Tom go back and forth about her only playing in the keys of F and G. He also goes on about how it needs a bridge and she tells him to biuld a bridge. At the end of nunber 8 she ask for a glass of champagne. Great stuff.

Darlene

F is a very cool key to sing in - it is commonly referred to as the "show tune key"

G, on the other hand and IMO - is MUCH harder.

La Nicks though - has a strange voice that really could never sing in an easier key like C.

:cool:

Here is some info on musical keys:

http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/mne/1299musi.htm

http://www.library.yale.edu/~mkoth/keychar.htm

[Dar]

Thanks for the fasinating information. I played in the band in high school so I knew all that stuff at one time long long ago :nod:

Darlene

[sparky]

F is a very cool key to sing in - it is commonly referred to as the "show tune key"

G, on the other hand and IMO - is MUCH harder.

La Nicks though - has a strange voice that really could never sing in an easier key like C.

:cool:



Can Homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore ? I mean, we are talking about about an octave and a half range on a good day.

[dissention]

Can Homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore ? I mean, we are talking about about an octave and a half range on a good day.

You just couldn't help yourself. :angel:

[sparky]

You just couldn't help yourself. :angel:

Well, what's your issue ? Like you weren't gonna go there ?

If I recall correctly, I think Sable On Blonde is in some strange key like E flat or something. But other than that, I mean for crying out loud, it is all Am, F, G, repeat. Most things anyway. You get lucky to get a suspended second or a 7th in a bridge. If there IS a bridge, that is.
Thinking.....Bella Donna might be B flat, Leather and Lace too....

[dissention]

Well, what's your issue ? Like you weren't gonna go there ?

If I recall correctly, I think Sable On Blonde is in some strange key like E flat or something. But other than that, I mean for crying out loud, it is all Am, F, G, repeat. Most things anyway. You get lucky to get a suspended second or a 7th in a bridge. If there IS a bridge, that is.
Thinking.....Bella Donna might be B flat, Leather and Lace too....

Of course I was. My issue is with the fact that I couldn't have been the first one to bring it up, wise ass. :xoxo:

[sparky]

Of course I was. My issue is with the fact that I couldn't have been the first one to bring it up, wise ass. :xoxo:

You have beaten me to many other punches, pal.
:wavey:

[strandinthewind]

Can Homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore ? I mean, we are talking about about an octave and a half range on a good day.

Well, I think she cam, but does not. I mean she was in close to three on the last tour. Say You Will was prob. the lowest and SG harmony was prob. the highest.

She was also WAY up there in the Chris Issak thingee.

But, I agree that she should stay as high as she can because, for me, the lower voice is not that great when compared to the high one.

[sparky]

I mean she was in close to three on the last tour. Say You Will was prob. the lowest and SG harmony was prob. the highest.


I didn't hear THAT. She sure doesn't single an octave below middle C - and I don't know that those harmonies in SG are an octave above it.
:shrug:
And that's only a full two.

[strandinthewind]

I didn't hear THAT. She sure doesn't single an octave below middle C - and I don't know that those harmonies in SG are an octave above it.
:shrug:
And that's only a full two.

It sounds to me like when she sings "a little world in a world" in LIB - she is above middle C :shrug: She was also above it on the Chris Issak special.

I also thought that "Somethin in you brought out somethin in me" was below middle C - then in the chorus her voice seemingly is at middle C - her harmony above it.

But, in the end, I still think she can hit two and possibly three, which is not really that many IMO.

[Johnny Stew]

I'm tellin' ya, I'm so sick of her 2-note range, I'm never listenin' to the hag again!!!

[gldstwmn]

Can anyone help me track down these takes? If it helps, they came from a series that also included conversations between Stevie and Tom Petty about the writing of the song, including one part where Tom says the chorus shouldn't start on the same chord as the verse.

I would think you could trade for them. I don't know if we could post this on easytree? :shrug:

[sparky]

I'm tellin' ya, I'm so sick of her 2-note range, I'm never listenin' to the hag again!!!

THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

[The Tower]

THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

:thumbsup:


Stevie does not have a two octave full voice range. She never really did. If you count falsetto as a voice, then everyone has a two or three octave range.

The highest note she has ever recorded was an E below high C from "Sisters of the Moon". The highest note she has ever recorded that's not falsetto was an E flat below high C from "Wild Heart". The lowest note she has ever recorded is a B flat below middle C from "Everyday".

These days she very rarely ever goes higher than G above middle C. I was pleasantly surprised to see the she kicked it with a B flat above middle C on "Everybody Finds Out" and an A above middle C on "Smile at You" (I thought for sure she was gonna drop the key from the demo- but I'm glad I was wrong. Her singing on "Destiny Rules" was lower than anything on "Say You Will"- and I don't think those lowers notes (D below middle C) sound very good for Stevie.

La Nicks though - has a strange voice that really could never sing in an easier key like C.

She does occasionally- "Silver Springs" and "I Sing for the Things", for example.

It sounds to me like when she sings "a little world in a world" in LIB - she is above middle C :shrug: She was also above it on the Chris Issak special.

Not even close. I have the Chris Isaak thing on TiVo and she hits maybe a G or an A above middle C at the highest.

I'm tellin' ya, I'm so sick of her 2-note range, I'm never listenin' to the hag again!!!

I'm really surprised that you would say that...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Johnny Stew]

THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

:p

As diss likes to say... "f*** 'em if they can't take a joke!" :p

[Johnny Stew]

I'm really surprised that you would say that...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I was trying Queeny Sarcasm on for size. :laugh: :D

[dissention]

I was trying Queeny Sarcasm on for size. :laugh: :D

Should I be alarmed that Queeny Sarcasm works better on me?

[The Tower]

Should I be alarmed that Queeny Sarcasm works better on me?

... yes ...

[dissention]

... yes ...

Wise ass. :cool:

[The Tower]

Wise ass. :cool:

Well, obviously your queenie sarcasm works better than either mine or Brian's. I tried my hardest to point out that, once again, Brian has flown into the thread as the Super Defender of Stevie Nicks- but it kinda flopped.

Oh, well... I tried. :o

[dissention]

Well, obviously your queenie sarcasm works better than either mine or Brian's. I tried my hardest to point out that, once again, Brian has flown into the thread as the Super Defender of Stevie Nicks- but it kinda flopped.

Oh, well... I tried. :o

Why try hard to state the obvious, man? :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

I tried my hardest to point out that, once again, Brian has flown into the thread as the Super Defender of Stevie Nicks- but it kinda flopped.

Oh, well... I tried. :o

Why try hard to state the obvious, man? :laugh:


Funny thing is, I don't feel I'm defending Stevie, so much as I'm just pointing out what I feel to be the painfully obvious.

She's never had a "perfect" voice, nor an amazing range. And she's certainly lost a lot of whatever range she DID have.

It is what it is, and it isn't gonna change back to what it was in 1979... "so why try to fight it." :shrug:

"Yesterday's gone... yesterday's gone...."

[strandinthewind]

I was counting the falsetto in the octave count. I mean she sings in it and it is a strong voice (just ask Chris Issak he said so a month or so ago) :shrug:

I just remember seeing sheet music once (a long time ago) and it appeared that the songs were written so the vocal would be higher than middle C - and when I play (albeit VERY POORLY :laugh: ) SG on the piano, I have LB at middle C and the harmony one or sometimes, if I am feeling courageous :laugh: , two above that.

In any event, I like it better when she sings higher. The lower voice is that that great sounding to me. But, I love her anyway :cool:

Interestingly, on songs like Dreams, she sings four parts on the harmony (assuming she is in the lead somewhere in there, but it is hard to heare that - and she still laters that way those these days it is usually two rather than three or four voices :cool:

[sparky]

:p

As diss likes to say... "f*** 'em if they can't take a joke!" :p

It's all just a joke !!!!!

Oh, that's right...it's all just painfully obvious.
:blob1:

[sparky]

but it kinda flopped

I've never witnessed you flop, Tower.


:woohoo:

[Johnny Stew]

It's all just a joke !!!!!

Oh, that's right...it's all just painfully obvious.
:blob1:

Of course it's all just a "joke"... painfully obvious or not.
We're not exactly discussing famine or poverty here! ;)

Stevie's always had a limited range. Pretty much from the word "go."
I know that if it bothered me much, I'd be listening to someone else instead. :)

[Johnny Stew]

I've never witnessed you flop, Tower.

I hear he's more of a flipper than a flopper! :laugh:

[sparky]

Of course it's all just a "joke"... painfully obvious or not.
We're not exactly discussing famine or poverty here! ;)

Stevie's always had a limited range. Pretty much from the word "go."
I know that if it bothered me much, I'd be listening to someone else instead. :)


I wasn't aware that mentioning the facts about someone's vocal range was an indication of being "bothered".

Doesn't bother me at all. I love how my discussions bother others though. :lol:

It's kind of like clockwork, really. A remotely, possibly interpreted as negative idea or statement, and BOOM ! The volleys and jokes and defense begins.
It's fun !

[Johnny Stew]

I wasn't aware that mentioning the facts about someone's vocal range was an indication of being "bothered".

Doesn't bother me at all. I love how my discussions bother others though. :lol:

It's kind of like clockwork, really. A remotely, possibly interpreted as negative idea or statement, and BOOM ! The volleys and jokes and defense begins.
It's fun !

Oh, come on now, Sparkelah.
If you can dish it out, at least be willing to take it! :p

You're as quick to point out your disappointment with Stevie's current range, as anyone else is to defend it.
*Looks back through thread*
Yep, you were the first to bring it up.
Again. ;)

I'm just reminding you that she's always had a limited range, and a voice that is not exactly the easiest to love. That much hasn't changed.

I agree with you that I'd like to see her push her vocal boundaries more than she seems willing to do... but I can't hold a gun to her head and make her do it. :)

Anyway... nothin' but love for ya, Sparkelah. Nothin' but love. :xoxo:

[amber]

Stevie's always had a limited range. Pretty much from the word "go."
I know that if it bothered me much, I'd be listening to someone else instead. :)
However, i'd like to point out, that whatever range she has, she has an incredible facilitywith her range. And an incredible facility with harmonies in her range. Wooot. She's an expert slider/hitter/maker upper. So her range is usually a moot point, with me. :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Talkin' in circles...........

Talkin' in circles...........


We all know her voice has lowered/changed/etc etc......Now, let's move on. :wavey:

[amber]

Talkin' in circles...........

Talkin' in circles...........


We all know her voice has lowered/changed/etc etc......Now, let's move on. :wavey:
Gosh, really sorry, Mr. "Boss of Me"! *must.do.as.curtie.says.* :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Gosh, really sorry, Mr. "Boss of Me"! *must.do.as.curtie.says.* :laugh:


:lol:

This topic just comes up a lot....the same things are said everytime....nothing gets accomplished.

[Johnny Stew]

Talkin' in circles...........

Talkin' in circles...........

We all know her voice has lowered/changed/etc etc......Now, let's move on. :wavey:

"They're dancing around in a circle... well, she's got that feeling now!"

I agree that it would be nice to move on from that particular debate. :nod: :)

[amber]

:lol:

This topic just comes up a lot....the same things are said everytime....nothing gets accomplished.
you're right. Not like all the other times on the board when we accomplish great things. Didn't we end world hunger? And the environment problem, i think we solved that one, too?... :laugh: Just joshin, it is an oft debated never solved thingy...

[Johnny Stew]

This topic just comes up a lot....the same things are said everytime....nothing gets accomplished.

Well, if someone would've met me under the sweater table at the Gap like he promised, I'd have been too busy to discuss this topic again! :p :xoxo:

[dissention]

Well, if someone would've met me under the sweater table at the Gap like he promised, I'd have been too busy to discuss this topic again! :p :xoxo:

Oy vey. :woohoo:

[dissention]

I'm just reminding you that she's always had a limited range, and a voice that is not exactly the easiest to love. That much hasn't changed.

It certainly has. Her old voice is like Cydni Lauper's when stacked up next to what she's working with now.

[Johnny Stew]

However, i'd like to point out, that whatever range she has, she has an incredible facilitywith her range. And an incredible facility with harmonies in her range. Wooot. She's an expert slider/hitter/maker upper. So her range is usually a moot point, with me. :)

I agree, my dear. :nod: :xoxo:

[Johnny Stew]

It certainly has. Her old voice is like Cydni Lauper's when stacked up next to what she's working with now.

What I meant by "that much hasn't changed," is that it is and always has been a voice with a limited range. Certainly the range has changed, but the voice itself has always had its limitations. :)

[ontheEdgeof17]

Oy vey. :woohoo:


My thoughts, too. He can't resist himself. Every thread has to be tainted.

[ontheEdgeof17]

you're right. Not like all the other times on the board when we accomplish great things. Didn't we end world hunger? And the environment problem, i think we solved that one, too?... :laugh: Just joshin, it is an oft debated never solved thingy...


I am just one man. Gimme time to work my magic. :)

[amber]

I am just one man. Gimme time to work my magic. :)
"you saw it first on the Ledge, people" :laugh:

[Johnny Stew]

My thoughts, too. He can't resist himself. Every thread has to be tainted.

Hawkeye's gotten to Curtis! ;) :laugh:

[ontheEdgeof17]

Hawkeye's gotten to Curtis! ;) :laugh:


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[sparky]

Oh, come on now, Sparkelah.
If you can dish it out, at least be willing to take it! :p

Oh, bring it on, baby.



You're as quick to point out your disappointment with Stevie's current range, as anyone else is to defend it.


Disappointment ?

I believe it was all about trying to quantify how many octaves it was. It was me balking at the statement about how high her range was - and that it wasn't nearly three octaves.

I'm just reminding you that she's always had a limited range, and a voice that is not exactly the easiest to love. That much hasn't changed.

Oh, yeah, Thanks ! I forgot.

[gldstwmn]

Oy vey. :woohoo:

Baby I don't want to know. :lol:

[Johnny Stew]

Disappointment ?

That's certainly a sentiment you've expressed numerous times in the past, and seemed to be the direction you were headed in this thread too ("can homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore"). :shrug:

At any rate, it really wasn't my intention to get into yet another debate about this with you. Guess I really don't wear the Queeny Sarcasm type of humour well! :laugh:


Oh, yeah, Thanks ! I forgot.

See, I thought so! ;)

Maybe it's me and YOU who need to crawl under that sweater table, Sparkelah!
Of course, then I have visions of the table flying across the room after an off-handed comment sets the two of us off. ;) :xoxo:

[strandinthewind]

Baby I don't want to know. :lol:

Truer words never spoken :laugh:

[sparky]

That's certainly a sentiment you've expressed numerous times in the past, and seemed to be the direction you were headed in this thread too ("can homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore"). :shrug:

Oh, I see. So you had to jump in and make sure I didn't deflile THE GODDESS again by nailing down the exact notes she was singing ?

:lol:

At any rate, it really wasn't my intention to get into yet another debate about this with you

Debate ? Oh lordy. You can't debate what notes someone is singing. I just hadn't gotten around to pulling out the guitar and picking them out. But I know, I know, just mentioning the "range" is character assassination. I saw you on the white horse riding in out of the corner of my eye when I first posted on this thread. I could almost feel the reprimanding swat of the ruler on my knuckles.

Maybe it's me and YOU who need to crawl under that sweater table, Sparkelah!

Sparky don't play sweaters.

[blinker12]

OK, if I can just bring the thread momentarily back to the original topic... ;)
Thanks for everyone's help with this. I think I've tracked down what I'm looking for. :)

And Tower, thanks for posting that information about Stevie's record highs and lows. I never would have guessed her highest note was on SOTM... I would have guessed maybe Dreams ("it's only RIII-ight....")

Also, this brings up something I've been wondering for a while. In live performances at least since the early 1980s, Stevie hasn't even tried to hit the high note in the "Rhiannon" chorus ("Once in a MILLL-ion years..."). But it's not even that high, is it? I wonder if the difficulty comes more from poor vocal technique...

[Johnny Stew]

Oh, I see. So you had to jump in and make sure I didn't deflile THE GODDESS again by nailing down the exact notes she was singing ?

Debate ? Oh lordy. You can't debate what notes someone is singing. I just hadn't gotten around to pulling out the guitar and picking them out. But I know, I know, just mentioning the "range" is character assassination. I saw you on the white horse riding in out of the corner of my eye when I first posted on this thread. I could almost feel the reprimanding swat of the ruler on my knuckles.

Well, good to know that you have me all figured out there, Sparky! Seeing as how I'm always going on and on about how Stevie is such a Goddess and doesn't have any flaws whatsoever. The Virgin Stevie and all.
That's absolutely my fandom to a tee. :rolleyes:

I was over here trying to lighten things back up a little... since I had never meant for them to get serious in the first place... and you're making them bitchier and bitchier. :shrug:

C'est la Vie.

[dissention]

Oh, I see. So you had to jump in and make sure I didn't deflile THE GODDESS again by nailing down the exact notes she was singing ?

:lol:

It can't be that hard to nail the exact notes she can sing these days, there are only, what, a dozen of them since our last count last night? :laugh:

I must say that I am amused and quite amazed by the statements made in this thread about Stevie singing with three octaves nowadays. That is beyond absurd. Cyndi Lauper has a four octave range, folks, and Stevie isn't even close to that. Nor has she ever been.

Sparky don't play sweaters.

That statement made me laugh with delight for some reason.

[sparky]

Well, good to know that you have me all figured out there, Sparky! Seeing as how I'm always going on and on about how Stevie is such a Goddess and doesn't have any flaws whatsoever. The Virgin Stevie and all.
That's absolutely my fandom to a tee. :rolleyes:


Fandom. I love that word. Says so much with six tiny letters. It's a word that keeps on giving.

I was over here trying to lighten things back up a little... since I had never meant for them to get serious in the first place... and you're making them bitchier and bitchier. :shrug:

The technical question about notes hit and vocal range that was so succintly and eloquently answered by The Tower had gotten so vicious and bitchy, it really did need a referee and some levity. Man, it was a den of snakes in here. The distractions and undercutting and passive aggressiveness...we were so all over the place with it we couldn't even get to the subject of key and range.
And then I had to reach my contrary arm through your phone line and drag you into it. I'm so bad.

C'est la Vie.

But isn't it Un Vie Merveilleux ?

[Johnny Stew]

Fandom. I love that word. Says so much with six tiny letters. It's a word that keeps on giving.

Seemed an appropriate word to use among contemporaries who while away their days posting on a fan site.
Doesn't seem to require any stretch of the imagination whatsoever, to realize that those who are not in possession of a certain level of fanaticism wouldn't care to be bothered hanging 'round these parts.
So I see no reason to deny it, since none of us can claim, with even the tiniest ounce of believability, that we're not guilty of having our own "fandom." :wavey:


The technical question about notes hit and vocal range that was so succintly and eloquently answered by The Tower had gotten so vicious and bitchy, it really did need a referee and some levity. Man, it was a den of snakes in here. The distractions and undercutting and passive aggressiveness...we were so all over the place with it we couldn't even get to the subject of key and range.
And then I had to reach my contrary arm through your phone line and drag you into it. I'm so bad.

I made one comment that was meant to get a laugh... it wasn't meant to be anything more. Later, Diss and The Tower discussed (lightheartedly) my apparent status as the "Super Defender of Stevie Nicks," so I just thought I'd explain my line of thinking. Which was more of a general explanation than one directed at anything specific in this particular thread. Things seemed to slide down a slipperly slope from there. :shrug:

You and I seemed to start out around here on the right foot... we could talk, discuss and debate with no problems. Even PMd a couple of times, if I recall correctly.
These days everything seems to turn into something antagonistic. I won't act like I'm blameless, because... to throw out a cliché here... it takes two to tango.
I tried to bring things back around to levity in this thread, but I failed.
Now I'm done.


But isn't it Un Vie Merveilleux ?

It is, from where I'm sitting... and it's getting better all the time. :D


Now... where did I put that NyQuil?!

[strandinthewind]

The technical question about notes hit and vocal range that was so succintly and eloquently answered by The Tower had gotten so vicious and bitchy, it really did need a referee and some levity. Man, it was a den of snakes in here. The distractions and undercutting and passive aggressiveness...we were so all over the place with it we couldn't even get to the subject of key and range.

I was not mean in that and I did not think Tower was either :shrug: I was just stating what I heard and how I play those - he pretty much did the same.

Sorry, if I came across that way :cool:

[sparky]

I was not mean in that and I did not think Tower was either :shrug: I was just stating what I heard and how I play those - he pretty much did the same.

Sorry, if I came across that way :cool:

We need an irony smilie. :nod:

[sparky]

Now I'm done.


:shocked:

Till next round, I suppose.

[dissention]

I was not mean in that and I did not think Tower was either :shrug: I was just stating what I heard and how I play those - he pretty much did the same.

Sorry, if I came across that way :cool:

But if you heard three octaves come out of Stevie Nicks, Jason, one must question what you hear. :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

But if you heard three octaves come out of Stevie Nicks, Jason, one must question what you hear. :laugh:

I count her falsetto in that - I think it needs to be counted because it really is not a falsetto in that she can sing lead in it :shrug: She doesn't and chooses instead to sing harmony - but it still is more powerful than your run of the mill falsetto.

In any event, this thread is tired as is this topic and none of us are going to change our minds or really care too much anymore about what each other think here :nod: :laugh:

[strandinthewind]

We need an irony smilie. :nod:

you think I came across as rude :laugh:

oh well - all I can say is it was not meant that way :cool:

[gldstwmn]

WTF? :confused: This thread has more vitriol than Stand, Diss, Carne and me on a pre election political thread. Jesus. :laugh:

[dissention]

WTF? :confused: This thread has more vitriol than Stand, Diss, Carne and me on a pre election political thread. Jesus. :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You get a cookie for that one. :woohoo:

[sparky]

you think I came across as rude :laugh:

oh well - all I can say is it was not meant that way :cool:

OH MY GOD. That whole section you quoted was facetious.

Frankly, Frank, I have never seen you be rude.

[sparky]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You get a cookie for that one. :woohoo:

Where are my cookies already ?

[dissention]

Where are my cookies already ?

They were getting stale, so I kicked them and moved onto a tossed salad.

[strandinthewind]

OH MY GOD. That whole section you quoted was facetious.

Frankly, Frank, I have never seen you be rude.

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[strandinthewind]

They were getting stale, so I kicked them and moved onto a tossed salad.

or some shrimp with a milkshake :xoxo:

[sparky]

They were getting stale, so I kicked them and moved onto a tossed salad.

I am not at all surprised by that.

[dissention]

I am not at all surprised by that.

You should be, even I shocked myself with that particular act.

[dissention]

or some shrimp with a milkshake :xoxo:

*shudders*

They wanted to give me a pearl necklace, but I decided throw that one to swine.

[sparky]

You should be, even I shocked myself with that particular act.

What ? Tossing or being tossed ?

Oops. I guess this ain't the Pervs thread.

[strandinthewind]

What ? Tossing or being tossed ?

Oops. I guess this ain't the Pervs thread.

I thought we were talking about real salads - I just tossed one then ate it :cool: :p :wavey: :wavey:

[dissention]

What ? Tossing or being tossed ?

Oops. I guess this ain't the Pervs thread.

Both. I was feeling experimental.

[sparky]

Both. I was feeling experimental.


:woohoo:

Watch out !